Aldnoah.Zero 2nd Season Episode 11 Discussion

kymano said:

Slaine is Asseylum's LEGAL guardian , for Klankain to come and swoop her away goes against the Vers laws, so in short Klankain backstabbed Slaine and Slaine retaliated.

Darklight0303 said:
Either way with the ensuing chaos that is going to spread inside of Slaine's castle of sand after this declaration, the UFE + Inaho should be able to finally liberate Earth. Slaine's Scorched earth plan is going to be severely compromised. He needed all the knights to fall in line for that.

TheIMF said:
Marrying Crutheo Jr is Asseylum's idea of presenting an orderly, united front - which is what political marriages are, usually, all about.

Viktor_Otaku said:


Actually it is Lemrina who is going to marry Slaine, and don't change the subject here. If you have the answer, then tell me why Asseylum is marrying Klankein, basically throwing her hat with him.

And there is no concrete proof that she was forced into the marriage, its just her dying grandpa who wants it to happen.

ANGRY2011 said:
Big surprise, the ending of this is literally going to be a shitshow. Not sticking around for S3.

TheIMF said:
Marrying Crutheo Jr is Asseylum's idea of presenting an orderly, united front - which is what political marriages are, usually, all about.

Savethebestforu said:


Oh yes you are. We all are, just because of these god forsaken threads.

kymano said:

Slaine is Asseylum's LEGAL guardian , for Klankain to come and swoop her away goes against the Vers laws, so in short Klankain backstabbed Slaine and Slaine retaliated.

Darklight0303 said:

Not in the eyes of those who didn't know it was Lemrina.

If there wasn't a war going on you can be sure she wouldn't be marrying Klancain. That's what makes it forced. It's a necessity marriage not one she actually wants and can be happy with.

ANGRY2011 said:
Nope. This forum is a bigger shitshow than the actual show, and there's no reason to stick around for either.

Gonna roll my eyes through the finale, give a rating, and call it done.

CookingPriest said:


ITs hilarious that it took ASeylum ONE SENTENCE to undo Slaine's sand castle.


^
This.
She succeeds as Empress and gains the support of those who would support Cronkine. Its a reverse of what Slaine tried to do but this time without any deceit or genocide.

Darklight0303 said:


Her legal guardian? Are you high? He didn't earn that right whatsoever. It is an illegitimate claim and as such rendered invalid the moment the princess woke up. You really will live in your fanfic until the end of this story

ErenxMikasa said:
If Mazuurek and Inaho crash the wedding and take the bride, this show is probably going to get a 8-9 from me. Otherwise if the wedding goes through it's probably a 6/10.

Dunno what everyone else watches the show for, but that's the primary reason for me. I mean watching slaine get destroyed is cool too, but that's not what I'm vested in.

Savethebestforu said:


You're watching this show for the...romance? Out of all things this show fails in, the romance aspect has to be the worst. I don't understand...

ErenxMikasa said:
If Mazuurek and Inaho crash the wedding and take the bride, this show is probably going to get a 8-9 from me. Otherwise if the wedding goes through it's probably a 6/10.

kymano said:

Did you not watch the episode where Lemrina explains to Slaine that he had inherited ALL of Saazbaum privileges which includes being the princesses guardian? Also not mention when Marylcian wanted to take over that position from Slaine, he had to meet Slaine formally.So Klankain broke the rules and Slaine had every right to prosecute him.

ErenxMikasa said:


I like shipping characters, and I don't need the fleshed out romance anime to do so. I'm not saying I don't enjoy some of the other aspects of the show, but if one thing in the plot was a deal breaker, it'd be this.

ErenxMikasa said:


I like shipping characters, and I don't need the fleshed out romance anime to do so. I'm not saying I don't enjoy some of the other aspects of the show, but if one thing in the plot was a deal breaker, it'd be this.

CookingPriest said:

99% surely will happen.

Viktor_Otaku said:


I just want a romance that makes actually sense, right now I am just seeing Asseylum saying that she is marrying the next person she meets 5 mins later.

Darklight0303 said:


A fake Asseylum made those claims. AS such they are completely invalid sorry to break it to you.

ANGRY2011 said:


Shippers gunna ship. I bet you could write this show's romance better than it has been, though. Bleh.

Savethebestforu said:


This far in, I still find myself wishing this was a completely different show. People can complain that I'm still picking apart the show, but I'm giving my opinion about a part of this episode.

The 20 or so seconds of Slaine giving his pre-battle speech before he was interrupted by the Princess was really engaging IMO and it was a fantastic VA performance. Combined with the shots of all the unique looks female/male counts in different locations, you just have to think of how much better this show would have been if the ENTIRE focus of the show was on Vers. Think about it. Just cut out the story on Earth and have it deal mostly in the destruction/revolution of Vers. What mostly failed this show in my opinion was the cast of Earth. They took up 75% of the first season and 50% of the second and even though they are greater in number than the Vers characters, they still offer much less in every category.

Anyways, Asseylum was pretty unbearable. She believes that she understands everything going on around her and that she knows best, which really confuses me. The difference with Slaine is that he knows that what he is doing is wrong but uses it as a means to an end and also he is portrayed as the villain. Asseylum is going to run Vers into the ground IMO with her idealology, unless she has an unforeseen plan that she has created. But what pisses me off even more is that the show seems to be taking a major "black and white" approach near the end. Cruhteo's son is maybe the biggest excuse for a plot device I've ever seen in anime. Why did the show even need him in the first place when they had Mazuurek? Couldn't she just marry Mazzurek? He acts like a giddy school-girl wanting her senpai to notice her around Asseylum anyways so I'm sure he'd marry her.

I liked it better than last episode, but that's not saying much. Every scene with Inaho was meh. They are trying to paint him as a tragic hero so badly that it's not working for me.

Viktor_Otaku said:


And as you said, not every Martian knew of that truth. And it was not Lemrine who made that claim, because as according to Vers laws, Slaine automatically inherits all of Saazbaums possessions and privileges, it does not need approval from the princess herself, Lemrina was merely reminding Slaine of that responsibility.

As far as I am concerned, the only person capable of invalidating that claim would be the emperor himself, or the princess when she comes of age.

kymano said:

Well Asseylum just screwed over Vers!
Does she not realised she is indirectly engaged to Slaine and of Slaine being her guardian, so who the heck is Klankain?
She has the Counts confused and confusion could lead to a political turmoil for Vers.
Shows how her loyalists are somewhat users of her stupidity.
Also the Inaho scenes were a little alright now.

Darklight0303 said:


A fake Asseylum made those claims. AS such they are completely invalid sorry to break it to you.

Viktor_Otaku said:


I suppose she want to help Vers, but I wish that she had done something AFTER she consulted someone who actually knows of the current situation beforehand before making extremely drastic and stupid actions.

Darklight0303 said:


Doesn't matter. the moment Klancain learned the truth he had no obligation to respect any invalid claims at legal guardianship Slaine had. If anything him taking the princess away from the usurper knights was the best course of action

kymano said:

Are...are you this ignorant??
Lemrina didnt make the rules, Marylcian explained that the Vers Counts VOTED to make Saazbaum Asseylum's guardian and now that Slaine suceeded Saazbaum.He under Vers' law is Asseylum's guardian.

Darklight0303 said:


It's possible that there are special rules of succession for females in the royal family.

Viktor_Otaku said:


I suppose she want to help Vers, but I wish that she had done something AFTER she consulted someone who actually knows of the current situation beforehand before making extremely drastic and stupid actions.

Viktor_Otaku said:


Which we have not heard about............. real soild evidence there.

Darklight0303 said:

Not disagreeing there. But given how archaic the social standards seem to be with the vers nobility, I would not be surprised if that was the case

Darklight0303 said:


That claim was rendered invalid the moment Asseylum woke up and told Klancain the truth. Klancain never swore loyalty to the usurpers. He was loyal to the emperor and he tasked Klancain to investigate. That naturally gives him the right to extract Asseylum should she ask for it.

Viktor_Otaku said:


And the issue here is this, if the Princess was any smarter and independent and LESS NAIVE, she could had just say "screw the rules (if there is any), we are doing this my way, and I need your advice on this."

Darklight0303 said:


Again I agree. That would've been better. But I'll still settle for seeing Slaine's castle of sand crumble to dust regardless.

kymano said:

Vers laws is still Vers laws, there is no other option, Klankain broke the laws for his own benefits.
Did you not watch this episode, the Emperor did not command Klankain to investigate anything.When Asseylum met the Emperor, it seems the Emperor was more focused on conquering Earth, so Klankain went on his own accord.

Kundalini said:
Asseylum is marrying Klancain not for Klancain but the fact that out of all vers, it's only Mazuurek and him who are honestly loyal to her. And by loyalty it means that they shall seek what she seeks, even if it is peace with Earth.
To remain married to Slaine means remaining married to the ideology that she desires to attack Earth. To become an Empress but remain with the tag of her betrothal to Slaine means that Slaine will get certain priveleges. To drive Slaine into a corner and refuse his wishes to destroy Earth, she had to break all ties and get backing of her loyalists and create her own army/force. With Mazuurek and Klancain, she gets resources at her disposal instead of being a solitary figure with no support. Also Klancain will obey Asseylum, so he gets his priveleges that will suit her.

That's why she asks him to lend her his rank et al in order to make her sound legitimate an declare power instead of being overshadowed by Slaine. It was the only tactic to revoke all rights Slaine had till now.

Viktor_Otaku said:


Which would see Klankein in power and once again redirecting the war on Earth and commiting "heinous" genocide.

Darklight0303 said:

He could have had a moment of lucidity before Klancain left. Also it doesn't change that Sazbaum's claim was completely illegitimate given it was made by conspirators. Asseylum said she wants to be taken away. That fact cannot be restrained by a fake legal guardianship.