PeripheralVision said: By what sources?It's 20-25% in direct blood line. PeripheralVision said: Why?is because people who have power over other people shouldn't have sex. |
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| Can't you just link the sources? Wikipedia even helps you by showing them to you, right there, hyperlinked. ...And seriously? You'll go on and tell me you just don't like these relationships so you'll call them "rape" and then push your agenda of keeping unjust laws? Great. |
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| Oh no, age differences, oh no, the law. Oh no, no argument. Optional hint: Age of consent is different from state to state and country to country. |
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| You fail to have an argument, that's my point. First of all, you deem sex to be some odd action that no one knows how to commit to or understand, children and teenagers (especially) are sexual beings, then you go on and claim that there has to be an incredibly age difference which automatically makes that "rape" although ages of consent could easily disagree with you (14 years old in Italy, for example) and then go on and claim that you'd have to raise a child as a sex slave to commit to an incestuous relationship, making your point stand even less, it gets more and more unrealistic by the second. Then you forget to actually link your sources on the Wikipedia article that look like bullshit from here anyway, considering that genes don't work like that. |
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Immahnoob said: You're right. An off spring from an incestuous will not cause any disabilities or inheritance of severe recessive genes. The chances will only start after the 2nd generation and onward.You fail to have an argument, that's my point. First of all, you deem sex to be some odd action that no one knows how to commit to or understand, children and teenagers (especially) are sexual beings, then you go on and claim that there has to be an incredibly age difference which automatically makes that "rape" although ages of consent could easily disagree with you (14 years old in Italy, for example) and then go on and claim that you'd have to raise a child as a sex slave to commit to an incestuous relationship, making your point stand even less, it gets more and more unrealistic by the second. Then you forget to actually link your sources on the Wikipedia article that look like bullshit from here anyway, considering that genes don't work like that. |
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| Nobody cares what you think, what people care about are arguments. I'm not saying you have to decide (as in the end, you don't decide jack shit, even if you do have a good argument) the age of consent, I'm telling you to check up facts. So yeah, your scenario is unlikely (and retarded, sex slaves? Lol), and welcome to the real world, where incestuous relationships are under reported and they're happening just... About now while you're posting on the MAL forums. Underage sex and adult x child sex. Having fun yet? Most cases of incest are rape, usually unconsensual Proof? |
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PeripheralVision said: WrongPriest said: Agreed, Incest is disgusting and ruins my viewing experience. Now selfcest Yuri, that's what's up. [spoiler]  Oh wow, you're so much more better than me in terms of morality and stuff. No but seriously, pedophilia is less justified than most incest. Yes, incest is disgusting to some but it's at least a choice between two consenting adults. You don't have to watch it, and you're telling me it's worst than watching a nude Illya run around for the lolicons? I'm a lolicon too, but you're not better than incest lovers.[/quote]  |
WrongPriest said: PeripheralVision said: Oh wow, you're so much more better than me in terms of morality and stuff. No but seriously, pedophilia is less justified than most incest. Yes, incest is disgusting to some but it's at least a choice between two consenting adults. You don't have to watch it, and you're telling me it's worst than watching a nude Illya run around for the lolicons? I'm a lolicon too, but you're not better than incest lovers. [/quote]I scoff at the idea that fake pedophilia is better than fake incest. WrongPriest said: PeripheralVision said: Oh wow, you're so much more better than me in terms of morality and stuff. No but seriously, pedophilia is less justified than most incest. Yes, incest is disgusting to some but it's at least a choice between two consenting adults. You don't have to watch it, and you're telling me it's worst than watching a nude Illya run around for the lolicons? I'm a lolicon too, but you're not better than incest lovers. [/quote]I scoff at the idea that fake pedophilia is better than fake incest. Lancehot said: PeripheralVision said: How unlikely is my scenario? I don't know, it seems like a valid reason to ban some forms of incest. You say it is unlikely, but I'm not sure. It seems more likely than a consensual relationship in the world we live in. As of age of consent, what is considered rape varies differently, but I consider it rape if it is coercing someone younger than you to engage in sexual activity when they don't know better. Some states put a 3 year difference, or roughly the expanse between senior and Freshman. I decided that would be my standard as well. If it is legal in other countries, it's rape by my watch. As for the statistic, I'm fairly sure that you could look it up somewhere. (YEAH, I DON'T HAVE IT, but it seems like a sensible conclusion. based on the fact that 38% of rape alone is by friend or family, and that incest is relatively rare. Although if you have valid statistics and arguments, I'll be more than happy to hear them. I hope to become more logical. So my arguments are as thus. Most cases of incest are rape as defined by Virginia law, which pegs it as 18 and under. Therefore, it is good to ban incest in order to prevent people into committing what would essentially be sex slavery. People with power over others shouldn't have sex with people under their power. This applies to teacher and student, so why not parent and child? P.S. I'm only against parent child incest, not brother sister. Just walk away I'm not trolling him. I'm serious. |
PeripheralVision said: Yeah, you don't have an argument, as I said... Repeating yourself while actually explaining jack shit means you just went back to step 1 and stayed there.snip |
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PeripheralVision said: Most cases of incest are rape as defined by Virginia law, which pegs it as 18 and under. Therefore, it is good to ban incest in order to prevent people into committing what would essentially be sex slavery. People with power over others shouldn't have sex with people under their power. This applies to teacher and student, so why not parent and child? From a legal standpoint that argument is stupid. If under the law sex with someone under the age of consent is considered rape then that includes any incest relationship that fits these criteria. As rape is already a crime there would be no necessity for banning incest. It would create a redundancy that furthermore would additionally affect the incest relationships not fitting this criteria. The actual benefit of introducing such a law would therefore be none. |
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PeripheralVision said: "Possible" is the right word. Anything is "possible", not everything is "probable". I don't understand, my argument that incest needs to be banned because of the possible cases that people might abuse it in order to create sex slave isn't an argument at all? but if most cases of incest is indeed rape by Virginian law/my morals... Morals, law. Lel, great argument, nope.what do you think of the axiom "Axiom" |
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Lancehot said: PeripheralVision said: [spoiler] I scoff at the idea that fake pedophilia is better than fake incest. WrongPriest said: Oh wow, you're so much more better than me in terms of morality and stuff. No but seriously, pedophilia is less justified than most incest. Yes, incest is disgusting to some but it's at least a choice between two consenting adults. You don't have to watch it, and you're telling me it's worst than watching a nude Illya run around for the lolicons? I'm a lolicon too, but you're not better than incest lovers. I scoff at the idea that fake pedophilia is better than fake incest. Lancehot said: [/spoiler]PeripheralVision said: How unlikely is my scenario? I don't know, it seems like a valid reason to ban some forms of incest. You say it is unlikely, but I'm not sure. It seems more likely than a consensual relationship in the world we live in. As of age of consent, what is considered rape varies differently, but I consider it rape if it is coercing someone younger than you to engage in sexual activity when they don't know better. Some states put a 3 year difference, or roughly the expanse between senior and Freshman. I decided that would be my standard as well. If it is legal in other countries, it's rape by my watch. As for the statistic, I'm fairly sure that you could look it up somewhere. (YEAH, I DON'T HAVE IT, but it seems like a sensible conclusion. based on the fact that 38% of rape alone is by friend or family, and that incest is relatively rare. Although if you have valid statistics and arguments, I'll be more than happy to hear them. I hope to become more logical. So my arguments are as thus. Most cases of incest are rape as defined by Virginia law, which pegs it as 18 and under. Therefore, it is good to ban incest in order to prevent people into committing what would essentially be sex slavery. People with power over others shouldn't have sex with people under their power. This applies to teacher and student, so why not parent and child? P.S. I'm only against parent child incest, not brother sister. Just walk away I'm not trolling him. I'm serious.[/quote] You might not be, but you are stuck in a circular argument that cannot be won & only serves to massage the ego of those (maybe yourself included) who like to have internet arguments about things that they cannot be beaten on by their own terms.[/quote] |
Immahnoob said: PeripheralVision said: "Possible" is the right word. Anything is "possible", not everything is "probable". I don't understand, my argument that incest needs to be banned because of the possible cases that people might abuse it in order to create sex slave isn't an argument at all? but if most cases of incest is indeed rape by Virginian law/my morals... Morals, law. Lel, great argument, nope.what do you think of the axiom "Axiom"I don't understand, did I use the term axiom wrong? Axiom means a self evident truth that requires no proof, or at the very least self evident truth, and I think the sex power axiom is indeed an axiom. It is impolite to not explain yourself so that a person like me can understand their mistakes. Did I use the word axiom wrong? What do you mean with the airplane gif? Perhaps you would like to show me what an argument is. I mean, didn't you just type one a few posts ago. I'm confuzzled. P.S. This thread shows me arguing for incest. [url]http://www.crunchyroll.com/forumtopic-885197/why-is-incest-wrong[/url] I think I lost. Wondered where I went wrong. |
PeripheralVision said: WrongPriest said: Oh wow, you're so much more better than me in terms of morality and stuff. No but seriously, pedophilia is less justified than most incest. Yes, incest is disgusting to some but it's at least a choice between two consenting adults. You don't have to watch it, and you're telling me it's worst than watching a nude Illya run around for the lolicons? I'm a lolicon too, but you're not better than incest lovers. I scoff at the idea that fake pedophilia is better than fake incest.[/quote] There is nothing about about my original post you should take seriously, there is nothing about anything I say you should take seriously. Just for future reference. |
PeripheralVision said: True, I thought about that, then someone suggested people abusing their authority and power and waiting till age 18 or whatever to proceed in an incestuous relationship, which also seems wrong to me. Pray tell me, what do you think of the axiom "those in power shouldn't generally have sex with their subordinates"? I am still a little boggled with the whole argument around abusing your authority to nurture yourself a child slave. Because in the end the whole thing has nothing anymore to do with incest, does it? Just with abusing your authority or rather child mistreatment. You don't need to pursue an incestuous relationship for the whole thing to happen. Can very well apply the whole scenario to nurture your child as a sex slave just for earning money. |
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PeripheralVision said: You don't get to define what is an axiom. If you don't agree with this, then I'd have to say.I don't understand, did I use the term axiom wrong? Axiom means a self evident truth that requires no proof, Everything I said until now is an axiom. You are wrong in the context in which I am saying that you are specifically wrong is an axiom. The law and morality are not arguments, they're not proof. Also, you have to prove to me that the whole sex slave stupidity is a majority of cases. |
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| I did, my argument is that you're wrong because you're not proving jack shit with what you're writing, AKA burden of proof. |
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PeripheralVision said: Yes, but you'll be breaking a law to do so. And it has everything to do with incest. It makes sense to ban things which are harmful, right? Raising a child to become a sex slave and suffering no repercussion just seems wrong to me. Also, to clarify, Incest by definition refers to sexual intercourse, not the relationship, though I don't mind using it interchangeably. No you don't seem to understand my point about it not having anything anymore to do with incest. If we are talking about legal actions - and that is the case if you want to ban things. You can't make an argument about one thing being bad to ban another only because it has certain overlappings. If your argument is that nurturing your child into sex slaves is wrong. Then exactly that is your argument. Exactly that is the thing you want to ban. That the whole scenario might or might not apply to certain incest relationships is irrelevant. From a legal standpoint you have to take the most general approach. Everything other than that would be bigotery. |
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| Because it's appealing in the Anime world, and may be a dark fantasy of a select few with siblings... There are multiple reasons. It's hot, and incest is wincest! =^-^= |
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| Let's see, eugenics doesn't work as an argument because you'd have to ban any type of increase in gene defections as it is now, for example, women over the age of 40 should not be able to breed because of increased chances. Then that power in relationships is mostly irrelevant, there's almost always no balance, in the real world, we tend to manipulate people into relationships anyway, be it smaller in scale and with good intentions, it's always one that has more power. Let's not forget the ages of consent being different from country to country, so that means at 14 years old you are able to consent to sex, so why not do so with your brother or father or mother or sister? Then what about morality, ethics, laws and all that bullshit interfering with private life while they're not objective in any way? |
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| It's because: Incest in real life = wrong Incest in anime = okay |
| MAL: A community that thinks every anime is bad, but rates everything a 7/10. |
PeripheralVision said: I always thought you had to be broad and cover all the bases. Besides, most people don't commit incest, so why argue if it isn't an issue? Exactly from a legal perspective you have to be broad. Don't you see that only applying it to incest would be a wrong an unneccesary specification. To make sure we are not talking about different things yet. The issue was the misuse of ones authority to nurture your child (which is in a relationship of dependency to you) into a sex slave. If you make an argument against it then that is the thing you want to ban. That is the crime. And no it certainly is not only applicable to incest. |
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I don't know, I believe if the risk is high enough, people shouldn't reproduce. There's such a thing as being too high, like blood alcohol level. We have to set the limit somewhere. It would be good if that would have been the same analogy. Even if it is legal by law, one can still say it is wrong, and where was I. I forgot. Quite irrelevant.StrawberryRain said: Why?It's because: Incest in real life = wrong Incest in anime = okay |
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GoldenGuard said: Because it's appealing in the Anime world, and may be a dark fantasy of a select few with siblings... There are multiple reasons. It's hot, and incest is wincest! =^-^= Oh god, don't put the Winchesters in my head again! |
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PeripheralVision said: I don't know, I believe if the risk is high enough, people shouldn't reproduce. There's such a thing as being too high, like blood alcohol level. We have to set the limit somewhere. But where do you draw that magical line. At what percentage? And then you have the same problem like in our dicussion in regards to your sex slave scenario. Your argument would be against any heightened risk in birth defects and not specific incest. Like Immahnoob said you would have to ban everything which passes that magical number. Like no sex for women over 40, people with known cases of hereditary deseases in the family. Do we allow disabled people to have sex or do we sterelize them? Furthermore you don't know if you specifically carry any genetic factors wich would heithen the risk for your potential child. Mandatory genetic tests and breeding licenses for everyone? To just ban one scenario - to just pick incest. Would again be arbitrariness. |
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sadpwner said: It's always either incest or wannabe incest. The 'oni-chan' complex makes me want to puke. Not that I watch hentai though. I got a virus from a Hentai site recently. -__- Fuck dat shit. |
Syndiciate said: sadpwner said: It's always either incest or wannabe incest. The 'oni-chan' complex makes me want to puke. Not that I watch hentai though. I got a virus from a Hentai site recently. -__- Fuck dat shit. That can't be good. Should of used Linux. |
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Working_Designs said: Syndiciate said: I got a virus from a Hentai site recently. -__- Fuck dat shit. That can't be good. Should of used Linux. Shoulda coulda woulda. :L |
Syndiciate said: Working_Designs said: That can't be good. Should of used Linux. Shoulda coulda woulda. :L Anyway, were you able to remove the virus? |
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Working_Designs said: Syndiciate said: Shoulda coulda woulda. :L Anyway, were you able to remove the virus? Nope. I panicked and exited out of the screen. My dad's going to kill me. |
Deserada said: Syndiciate said: Adblock is your first line of defense for most of those situations. Hope you were running it.Nope. I panicked and exited out of the screen. My dad's going to kill me. Also, personal computer or family computer? I don't have it. Family computer. :( |
Syndiciate said: Working_Designs said: Anyway, were you able to remove the virus? Nope. I panicked and exited out of the screen. My dad's going to kill me. What did the virus do? Did it hijack your browser? If you could explain something about it, maybe someone here could help you remove it before your Dad sees it. |
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Working_Designs said: Syndiciate said: Nope. I panicked and exited out of the screen. My dad's going to kill me. What did the virus do? Did it hijack your browser? If you could explain something about it, maybe someone here could help you remove it before your Dad sees it. A screen just popped up saying "Potential Virus Detected." And then it asked me whether I wanted to do a full scan of my computer and call a service number. I just panicked and exited out hoping it would go away. |
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