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Vanisher said: Of course, inaho saves the day again. It's so painfully the Deucalion having to go to earth was just some random shit without a real reason, it was made just to make Slaine win there, I mean there's no way he would've win with Inaho there. The writing is so poor it hurts. Explain how the writing is poor? Elaborate on your claims. mariansony said: Vanisher said: Of course, inaho saves the day again. It's so painfully the Deucalion having to go to earth was just some random shit without a real reason, it was made just to make Slaine win there, I mean there's no way he would've win with Inaho there. The writing is so poor it hurts. Nobody would have won with Inaho there...and no one will...because he's God, remember? Aside from the Odin refrence, explain how he is God? Is being smart the only qualification needed to be a God now? If so then there must be many God's within the earth IRL. |
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KamiAlice said: Vanisher said: Of course, inaho saves the day again. It's so painfully the Deucalion having to go to earth was just some random shit without a real reason, it was made just to make Slaine win there, I mean there's no way he would've win with Inaho there. The writing is so poor it hurts. Explain how the writing is poor? Elaborate on your claims. It was not clear in my post? You don't think reusing the same element every single episode is bad writing ? ie: battles start with terrans "losing" until inaho appears and wins the battle, being the only terran capable of doing anything. Things happening by plot convenience is also bad writing. The deucalion going back to earth was made so that slaine could destroy the others terrans to move his plot forward, it wasn't made because it had an actual plausible reason to do so. This is evidently by making it as vague as possibly, like "oh they just don't know what to do with us!" There are millions of other problems as well. |
| Inaho the Physics genius. I'm not even mad anymore. |
| it seems that this count who was arrested on earth, has a different ideal, maybe he collaborate with the Terrans |
| From this episode on I am going to watch only the Mars side. I can't bring myself to watch the boring Deucalion crew. And it's bad, that they evacuated before Slaine's attack. They could've lost a couple of ballast characters. I felt pity for the relatively pacifistic count. The Vers story reminds me of The Sirens of Titan more and more. Though I couldn't understand, why he was distracted from his destination by the Earth forces, since he could just press on. And his gravitational thingies seem to be terribly accurate, since they didn't affect communications and the shot from Deucalion. Sad to see him going under without any development. (I still can't understand, why their mechas don't register approaching missiles, but, well, ok). Saaz was a decent man too, judging by the Lemrina's words. They were visibly saving money this episode - too many shots were crappy, which A.Z doesn't normally allow. The writers are dead set in turning a space war into a fight between two teenagers for a vagina and in ignoring the ideological side of what is essentially a civil war instigated by ideology. I am extremely unhappy about it, cause the setting offers so much more. But I have mostly given up on finding logic in this show. The thing that really bugs me is why nearly all the counts have green eyes. |
| Tons of people got SLAINED :3 Raziel1991 said: blazehero said: Inaho doesn't want to fight Slaine? I do not think so. In episode 2 of the second season he outright stated that he was looking for Slaine. In this episode he also said "It can't be helped" so which means he is actually trying to avoid a battle with him. |
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Vanisher said: KamiAlice said: Explain how the writing is poor? Elaborate on your claims. and do Slaine win every battle, through its super mecha that predicts the future, and the battle of calculations and tactics, his servant Harklight, is the sign of a good writing. this the episode 1 of season, Slaine has been making use of the intelligence of your stupid servant, and a magical machine that makes premonitions of the future, and I see his fans complaining about it, It was not clear in my post? You don't think reusing the same element every single episode is bad writing ? ie: battles start with terrans "losing" until inaho appears and wins the battle, being the only terran capable of doing anything. Things happening by plot convenience is also bad writing. The deucalion going back to earth was made so that slaine could destroy the others terrans to move his plot forward, it wasn't made because it had an actual plausible reason to do so. This is evidently by making it as vague as possibly, like "oh they just don't know what to do with us!" There are millions of other problems as well. and do Slaine win every battle, through its super mecha that predicts the future, and the battle of calculations and tactics, his servant Harklight, is the sign of a good writing. this the episode 1 of season, Slaine has been making use of the intelligence of your stupid servant, and a magical machine that makes premonitions of the future, and I see his fans complaining about it, not to mention that every episode, he kills more and more people, and betrays a new person. Really commendable acts for a human being |
| Wow these counts are getting more and more fodderish. They are way too dependant with Inaho -_- |
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G_Spark233 said: Wow these counts are getting more and more fodderish. They are way too dependant with Inaho -_- Slaine is increasingly dependent on its powers super mecha, and the intelligence of his servant, also every episode he kills more and more people, and also betrays someone |
Vanisher said: KamiAlice said: Explain how the writing is poor? Elaborate on your claims. It was not clear in my post? You don't think reusing the same element every single episode is bad writing ? ie: battles start with terrans "losing" until inaho appears and wins the battle, being the only terran capable of doing anything. Things happening by plot convenience is also bad writing. The deucalion going back to earth was made so that slaine could destroy the others terrans to move his plot forward, it wasn't made because it had an actual plausible reason to do so. This is evidently by making it as vague as possibly, like "oh they just don't know what to do with us!" There are millions of other problems as well. I don't see how any of that is bad writing, unless you skew it into your definition of bad writing. Explain to me what good writing is? I want a clear definition, not one made out of pure personal preference. So you have a problem with Inaho winning battles. IIRC Inaho has only beaten 5 martians in a span of 16 episodes, only 2 of them without help from outside sources, if you don't count his eye as an outside source. Explain to me how exactly it's a reused element in every episode. Shouldn't there have been 16 dead martians if that was the case? EDIT: Actually it's only 1 of them since this: Raziel1991 said: He did not show his "amazing intellect" in this episode though. He just did the shots using his cyborg eye. This martian was defeated mostly thanks to Marito being able to lure him into Inahos line of fire What plot convenience? Wasn't it specifically said in episode 2 that they were going up there to fend off an attack? They went there, fended off the attack, and are now returning to their base where they were originally stationed. How the hell is that "plot convenience?" It's logical that a fleet would return to it's base after fulfilling a mission don't you think? Slaine pulled a fast one, that's all. Yes yes it has problems, no one is going to deny that. |
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Avok said: Inaho the Physics genius. I'm not even mad anymore. He did not show his "amazing intellect" in this episode though. He just did the shots using his cyborg eye. This martian was defeated mostly thanks to Marito being able to lure him into Inahos line of fire |
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| It's odd, I'm not even a huge fan of this anime anymore-I mean I like Inaho, his sister and drunk PTSD dude but the plot is so slow and mundane for me with cheap tricks like the end of season one and everything else being typical plot devices-, yet it brings out a unusual grand anticipation and hope for me. I rarely ever get this invested in waiting for a beat down. Every time I watch an episode I get more into fantasizing ways in which Inaho is going to kicks Slaine's ass. In the last episode if Inaho and Slaine are in the same room together, I'm going to instantly stop the video, find the first action hype theme I can think of-maybe Goldberg's theme song- and hope that Inaho blows up Slaine's mech, or even better both their mechs blow up where the narrowly get themselves out, they both land on ground, Inaho says bat, Slaine turns around with a tear in his eye for the princess dying or rejecting him and says Orange and then Inaho decks Slaine and dislocates his jaw at Slaine falls to the floor flat and the anime ends. I know it's silly writing this, but I just can't help but feel very passionate about this butt whooping to come, it must come. |
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| This episode was alright, not as good as the last 2 though. Definitely liking the fact that other characters can actually contribute now, unlike in S1. Slaine just keeps digging that grave deeper. |
y123y said: Wow, that person who just wrote a review on this second half of the anime is getting tons of Helpful votes. yes you're 50% helpful and 50% not helpful.... congrats |
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y123y said: KamiAlice said: yes you're 50% helpful and 50% not helpful.... congrats 21 to 38. More than 50% >__> 21 to 42 = 50% |
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y123y said: Wow, that person who just wrote a review on this second half of the anime is getting tons of Helpful votes. I just read your review, and didn't find it helpful at all. Sorry, but your review seems more like a rant than a review. |
Tatsuya said: y123y said: Wow, that person who just wrote a review on this second half of the anime is getting tons of Helpful votes. I just read your review, and didn't find it helpful at all. Sorry, but your review seems more like a rant than a review. Thank you, someone who actually understands what a review is. I swear people on this site don't even know what an actual review is intended to do. |
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y123y said: Tatsuya said: I just read your review, and didn't find it helpful at all. Sorry, but your review seems more like a rant than a review. Well, I did say I was going to keep it short and brief since its only for the first four episodes. I also did say that i was going to update it once the anime ends. I just noticed a pattern That isn't a review though -_- It's a freakin list. Whether people find it true or not, a review is not a place to put that in. Do it in a discussion not in a review. |
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| Episode without much agitation and big surprises, what intrigued me was the relationship between Inaho and Yuki, it seems that some things happened in the time that Inaho was recovering And Inaho in the short time that appeared in the episode proved to be badass as always, I'm very same anxious to see the struggles that will occur between Inaho and Slaine, the every episode I get more angry with Slaine .. |
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leelee619 said: Tatsuya said: This episode was alright, not as good as the last 2 though. Definitely liking the fact that other characters can actually contribute now, unlike in S1. Slaine just keeps digging that grave deeper. yeah but for who while Lemrina is digging her own grave Lemrina has the same function Saazbaum, served as the trigger for Slaine enters Yandere so, when and Lemrina attack Asseylum, the story of the first season is repeated |
y123y said: KamiAlice said: That isn't a review though -_- But do you disagree with the points i mentioned in the review? Doesn't matter, post those in a discussion. Even if you do put them in a review, don't make them the entirety of your review. How is that helpful? Oh so you listed somethings... what exactly does that tell me? Nothing. So what's the plot about? Is there a reason why Slaine does those things at the end? What were both sides talking about? Was it strategic planning every episode? They are in a war so it's obvious that they are going to fight, but who's fighting who? Is it the same enemy every time? Inaho beats them then they return to get beaten again, or was it a different enemy every time? Did they attack the same place every time? Where is the review in your review? All you did is list things. |
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leelee619 said: Tatsuya said: This episode was alright, not as good as the last 2 though. Definitely liking the fact that other characters can actually contribute now, unlike in S1. Slaine just keeps digging that grave deeper. yeah but for who while Lemrina is digging her own grave His own, while i personally hate slaine, the only way he can survive this series is if both inaho and asseylum don't, no matter what his motives are there's no way he can survive the series without one hell of an asspull and a pretty horrid ending. |
seujair31 said: and do Slaine win every battle, through its super mecha that predicts the future, and the battle of calculations and tactics, his servant Harklight, is the sign of a good writing. this the episode 1 of season, Slaine has been making use of the intelligence of your stupid servant, and a magical machine that makes premonitions of the future, and I see his fans complaining about it, not to mention that every episode, he kills more and more people, and betrays a new person. Really commendable acts for a human being Did you misquote or you are just stupid? Yes the show has shit writing, exactly what I said. KamiAlice said: Vanisher said: It was not clear in my post? You don't think reusing the same element every single episode is bad writing ? ie: battles start with terrans "losing" until inaho appears and wins the battle, being the only terran capable of doing anything. Things happening by plot convenience is also bad writing. The deucalion going back to earth was made so that slaine could destroy the others terrans to move his plot forward, it wasn't made because it had an actual plausible reason to do so. This is evidently by making it as vague as possibly, like "oh they just don't know what to do with us!" There are millions of other problems as well. I don't see how any of that is bad writing, unless you skew it into your definition of bad writing. Explain to me what good writing is? I want a clear definition, not one made out of pure personal preference. So you have a problem with Inaho winning battles. IIRC Inaho has only beaten 5 martians in a span of 16 episodes, only 2 of them without help from outside sources, if you don't count his eye as an outside source. Explain to me how exactly it's a reused element in every episode. Shouldn't there have been 16 dead martians if that was the case? Way to nitpick, replace "every episode" with "every battle" and you have it, although it did happen EVERY episode of this season, they all had the same thing about inaho. And about fending off the attack, the martians were there and slaine have just announced to continue the war, it didn't really made much sense. Yes you could make up some logic about it and all, but the truth is that it's not in the show at all, nothing was mentioned about them going back because the attack was fended off, in fact they even said that they don't know why they are going back. It's a recurring problem with the show, it's gives little to none information, we can make up things but it's simply giving excuses for the show. Like what's up with flying terran mechs? why have they not been mentioned before? where did slaine learn to pilot kataphracts? why and who gave the eye to inaho? why haven't they used that technology for a kataphract or a ship? why there have been absolutely no mention of asseylum sister before? etc etc |
| funny people complain that Inacio always saves people in all episodes. mies nobody complains of poor people who Slaine kills each episode |
| Ok now Slaine have the help of his servant he help him fill the lack of intelligence. And a overpowered mecha? Slaine mecha is like Wing Zero or Epyon from Gundam Wing. Nothing from other world. I'm more interested in this new Inaho with bionic eye and a chip in his brain, after i saw Inaho chess match using his brain cell and the chip, we have here again the issue of the union between man and machine. |
y123y said: The plot? Its the second half of an anime.... I think the plot has been mentioned in the first half. The plot is the sequence of events that make up a story. It's continuous, therefore it has to be mentioned throughout the story, not just in the first half. You know sausbamm dieing and slaine replacing him, Inaho gaining his eye, slaine attacking the base at the end of the episode.... All those are parts of the plot. Why weren't they mentioned in your review? |
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CookingPriest said: Not to mention Inaho IS pretty much Char/Lelouch of this series. HE HAS to pilot shitty mech with unusual colors and overcome enemies enemies with sheer wit. Inaho is NOT the Char, or Lelouch, of this show. He's the Kirito. There is no Char/Lelouch in this show. |
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Vanisher said: seujair31 said: and do Slaine win every battle, through its super mecha that predicts the future, and the battle of calculations and tactics, his servant Harklight, is the sign of a good writing. this the episode 1 of season, Slaine has been making use of the intelligence of your stupid servant, and a magical machine that makes premonitions of the future, and I see his fans complaining about it, not to mention that every episode, he kills more and more people, and betrays a new person. Really commendable acts for a human being Did you misquote or you are just stupid? Yes the show has shit writing, exactly what I said. KamiAlice said: I don't see how any of that is bad writing, unless you skew it into your definition of bad writing. Explain to me what good writing is? I want a clear definition, not one made out of pure personal preference. So you have a problem with Inaho winning battles. IIRC Inaho has only beaten 5 martians in a span of 16 episodes, only 2 of them without help from outside sources, if you don't count his eye as an outside source. Explain to me how exactly it's a reused element in every episode. Shouldn't there have been 16 dead martians if that was the case? Way to nitpick, replace "every episode" with "every battle" and you have it, although it did happen EVERY episode of this season, they all had the same thing about inaho. And about fending off the attack, the martians were there and slaine have just announced to continue the war, it didn't really made much sense. Yes you could make up some logic about it and all, but the truth is that it's not in the show at all, nothing was mentioned about them going back because the attack was fended off, in fact they even said that they don't know why they are going back. It's a recurring problem with the show, it's gives little to none information, we can make up things but it's simply giving excuses for the show. Like what's up with flying terran mechs? why have they not been mentioned before? where did slaine learn to pilot kataphracts? why and who gave the eye to inaho? why haven't they used that technology for a kataphract or a ship? why there have been absolutely no mention of asseylum sister before? etc etc there was no explanation of how the aldnoah power works, and neither were the technical data on the Martian mechas. The only information we have is that just a person with Aldnoah power, the hand that round thing, that mecha starts. They spend too much time in childish things like cheap melodrama, and no more important technical data, because no one explains how the Martians mechas. They think we are idiots, and that magical powers that make it work, even in Valvrave The Liberator, provided us with information on the mechas, both allies and enemies |
Makaze_no_Moujuu said: CookingPriest said: Not to mention Inaho IS pretty much Char/Lelouch of this series. HE HAS to pilot shitty mech with unusual colors and overcome enemies enemies with sheer wit. He's the Kirito. ROFL. So in other words, strong characters= Kirito? |
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seujair31 said: funny people complain that Inacio always saves people in all episodes. mies nobody complains of poor people who Slaine kills each episode It's war, and those people are fodder, why would the audience care? We don't care when the protagonists wipe out entire squadrons in Gundam animes. |
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Raziel1991 said: Makaze_no_Moujuu said: He's the Kirito. ROFL. So in other words, strong characters= Kirito? No he's the Kirito in that he's the by far the best/only competent person there, to a laughable degree, "cuz reasons". Kirito is the same in his anime. |
Raziel1991 said: Makaze_no_Moujuu said: He's the Kirito. ROFL. So in other words, strong characters= Kirito? Kirito(SAO) is being overrated nowadays I've been wondering why all this time. |
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Raziel1991 said: Makaze_no_Moujuu said: He's the Kirito. ROFL. So in other words, strong characters= Kirito? It's far more laughable that he's compared to Char, or Lelouche. |
Makaze_no_Moujuu said: seujair31 said: funny people complain that Inacio always saves people in all episodes. mies nobody complains of poor people who Slaine kills each episode It's war, and those people are fodder, why would the audience care? We don't care when the protagonists wipe out entire squadrons in Gundam animes. speaks fanboy Slaine. when they are self-centered motives, and personal, by their delusions, and very different from kill to survive, and save people. different from the earl, who was caught by Earthlings, which is preucupado with the earth's resources, Slaine so think of destruction and killing people |
Makaze_no_Moujuu said: Raziel1991 said: ROFL. So in other words, strong characters= Kirito? It's far more laughable that he's compared to Char, or Lelouche. To be honest I can understand the Lelouch part since he indeed is a tactician but Char yeah I don't. Kirito nope too because Kirito is more like one who charge without thinking things through. |
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Makaze_no_Moujuu said: Raziel1991 said: ROFL. So in other words, strong characters= Kirito? /only competent person there Except this is not true. Take this episode for example, Marito was the one who figured out the ability of the new kat and was also the one who lured him into Inahos line of fire, I would say thats being competent. All Inaho did was doing those shots. And by the way there are some pretty good reasons as to why he is the "best" at least in this season. He is a cyborg, that makes him superhuman in more ways than one. |
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Caraculiambro said: YumeNoMonogatari said: Guys, guys.... Why can't we just agree that both Slaine and Inaho are not so well written characters? All can see in this thread is Inaho's fans criticizing Slaine's fans for liking him and vice versa. I really don't understand why almost everyone is so eager to rationalize the other party, when they're clearly both right. Yes, Slaine is a bad character. And yes, so is Inaho. Of course you free to like/dislike them and there is nothing wrong with that, so rather than arguing over two characters let's discuss about this show. Your post is too full of common sense to be accepted in the Aldnoah Zero discussion threads. A couple of people here have turned this every week into a kindergarten level "My dad is stronger than your dad" level discussion. Oh lmao. +1 Also it's so nice to find someone who watched Crest of Stars/Banner of the Stars. @topic - Just going to wait another week to see more asspulls and even more conveniences, I didn't had enough with Orbiting bullets and Deucalion hitting the Mar's base alone in the 3rd episode. |
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Raziel1991 said: Makaze_no_Moujuu said: /only competent person there Except this is not true. Take this episode for example, Marito was the one who figured out the ability of the new kat and was also the one who lured him into Inahos line of fire, I would say thats being competent. All Inaho did was doing those shots. And by the way there are some pretty good reasons as to why he is the "best" at least in this season. He is a cyborg, that makes him superhuman in more ways than one. He was going to die. Even Marito says that he only survived because of Inaho conveniently being in communication range. Inaho has been the best since his first battle. Yes, the eye is now a good reason why he would be, but he was already better than every single Terran soldier even before that. |
hellogarry said: Makaze_no_Moujuu said: It's far more laughable that he's compared to Char, or Lelouche. To be honest I can understand the Lelouch part since he indeed is a tactician but Char yeah I don't. Kirito nope too because Kirito is more like one who charge without thinking things through. Yeah, I can see that. |
Makaze_no_Moujuu said: Raziel1991 said: Except this is not true. Take this episode for example, Marito was the one who figured out the ability of the new kat and was also the one who lured him into Inahos line of fire, I would say thats being competent. All Inaho did was doing those shots. And by the way there are some pretty good reasons as to why he is the "best" at least in this season. He is a cyborg, that makes him superhuman in more ways than one. He was going to die. Even Marito says that he only survived because of Inaho conveniently being in communication range. Inaho has been the best since his first battle. Yes, the eye is now a good reason why he would be, but he was already better than every single Terran soldier even before that. Because he didn't approach the technologically superior enemy as a soldier. He examined them as a scientist and on the fly came up with counter measures after putting the pieces together. But I guess that's too subtle for the likes of you |
Makaze_no_Moujuu said: hellogarry said: To be honest I can understand the Lelouch part since he indeed is a tactician but Char yeah I don't. Kirito nope too because Kirito is more like one who charge without thinking things through. Yeah, I can see that. is war, then in one of these killings Slaine he acertace his house and killed his relatives, you still defends Slaine. Slaine has crimes of war and against humanity, not to mention several war crimes also against the Martians. International Criminal Court should sentence Slaine to 5 million years and it would be. |
| Really wish the characters could at least be semi competent on thir own without Inaho. That's too much to ask for in this show >.>" Meanwhile, Slaine is the only on receiving any character development; still going strong for team Slaine |
seujair31 said: Makaze_no_Moujuu said: It's war, and those people are fodder, why would the audience care? We don't care when the protagonists wipe out entire squadrons in Gundam animes. speaks fanboy Slaine. when they are self-centered motives, and personal, by their delusions, and very different from kill to survive, and save people. different from the earl, who was caught by Earthlings, which is preucupado with the earth's resources, Slaine so think of destruction and killing people Being a fan has nothing to do with it. In plenty of mecha anime, the protagonists slaughter scores of their enemies without batting an eye. And guess what? We don't care. Slaine slaughtering enemies during war isn't a new thing for a mecha series. Also, let's disregard the fact that they tried to kill him too. Why? Because they're at war. |
Vanisher said: And about fending off the attack, the martians were there and slaine have just announced to continue the war, it didn't really made much sense. Yes you could make up some logic about it and all, but the truth is that it's not in the show at all, nothing was mentioned about them going back because the attack was fended off, in fact they even said that they don't know why they are going back. It's a recurring problem with the show, it's gives little to none information, we can make up things but it's simply giving excuses for the show. Like what's up with flying terran mechs? why have they not been mentioned before? where did slaine learn to pilot kataphracts? why and who gave the eye to inaho? why haven't they used that technology for a kataphract or a ship? why there have been absolutely no mention of asseylum sister before? etc etc You are the one nitpicking So them returning to their base doesn't make much sense? Really? It makes more sense that they would return to their base after Slaines speech since they would need to prepare. It's logical, they went did their mission and returned in order to restock and prepare. So your issue is that it doesn't spoon feed things to you? It's not making things up, it's called deductive reasoning. what's up with flying terran mechs? why have they not been mentioned before? They are some of earth's technology, they weren't mentioned before because the first season dealt with a bunch of survivors of an attack from a city on a boat trying to get to a refugee camp in Russia. We didn't need any mention of them before this because the focus wasn't on the war, the focus was on Inaho and crew trying to get to Russia. Where did slaine learn to pilot kataphracts? Probably the same place he learned to pilot the carrier he used in season 1. Plus it's been almost 2 years since he got it, wouldn't it make sense that he's been training this whole time? There is no mention of them being difficult to handle, there is only mention of a person needing to be allowed to use them. Why and who gave the eye to inaho? Some doctor, why does that matter? Inaho stated it was a beta, meaning it's being tested. There's your why. Inaho is a guinea pig for this technology. Why haven't they used that technology for a kataphract or a ship? BETA. Inaho is a Guinea pig for this techonology. They might/might not use it in the future. Plus Inaho is a genius, what good is technology if it can't be used by the rest of them? why there have been absolutely no mention of asseylum sister before? 1st season was about a bunch of survivors on a boat trying to get to Russia. There was little focus on the martian side of things. The ambitions of Sausbamm wasn't mentioned until the final few episodes. Now the focus has shifted more to the martian side of things, it makes more sense for an illegitimate heir to show up now that we are seeing things more from the martian side of things. |
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Darklight0303 said: Makaze_no_Moujuu said: He was going to die. Even Marito says that he only survived because of Inaho conveniently being in communication range. Inaho has been the best since his first battle. Yes, the eye is now a good reason why he would be, but he was already better than every single Terran soldier even before that. Because he didn't approach the technologically superior enemy as a soldier. He examined them as a scientist and on the fly came up with counter measures after putting the pieces together. But I guess that's too subtle for the likes of you Well, both him and Yuki did that. In fact, Yuki noticed it first. To be honest, I was hoping that Inaho would've died so that Yuki and Marito could take the main Terran roles, and so that they could be BAs. |
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