MasaneX said: What would be such a big issue with ''dictator continuously ruling by living in the virtual reality'' ?
Eternal communism.
North Korea guy ruling forever would be hell of fun, literally.
Well there are other ways to end a regime than to assassinate the leader/ wait for him to die.
I don't really believe that mortality is saving us from those catastrophies.
Uhh... have you lived in a dictatorship?
I'm not saying i have, but i'm from Venezuela and right now our economy is fucked, we can't protest cause the military and some armed people from the government won't hold back in taking hostages or killing us. In 4 months of riots, 40 students and protesters were killed with headshots by police or the other guys. Also, the insecurity here is retarded, according to statistic, 1 people is killed every 7 MINUTES here. We are trapped in a country (cause you can't leave either, lel) with horrible economy, with a huge insecurity problem and we can't even fight back.
So... you need to learn than Dictatorship regime doesn't end any other way than either the death of the dictator itself or a coup de etat.
Cuba with Castro ruling forever, Venezuela with Maduro and North Korea with the lil shit, i'm really glad immortality doesn't exist, don't get me wrong, of course it has a good side, but it's bigger the damage.
I do understand what you mean, but if the regime is holding on so strongly, will it crumble with the death of that 1 leader ? I am kinda back and forth about this ... Is it enough to get that leader assassinated to crush the regime ? Because that's basically the core of the problem of Mortality IRL vs Immortality in VRMMO.
Also I wonder if a human's consciousness which exists only in the game would have the same political authority as a human with real body.
Alright, to tie this whole conversation back to SAO, we have
Quinella, the immortal Administrator of the Underworld. In order to ensure her continuous rule, she brainwashes potential threats such as strong people and those that question the Taboo Index and turn them into loyal Integrity Knights. The corruption of the Axiom Church was rampant, and the citizens deceived. Until a trio of heroes with much sacrifice brought down the tyrant and finally laid the beautiful goddess to rest. With Quinella gone, so were her ideals and beliefs about the world and the treatment of humans as tools.
I do understand what you mean, but if the regime is holding on so strongly, will it crumble with the death of that 1 leader ? I am kinda back and forth about this ... Is it enough to get that leader assassinated to crush the regime ? Because that's basically the core of the problem of Mortality IRL vs Immortality in VRMMO.
Also I wonder if a human's consciousness which exists only in the game would have the same political authority as a human with real body.
This topic surely went an interesting way. xD
Ok in danger that we go completely away from the topic of the thread, it depends actually.
If you have a dictatorship like LastChapter or Reyxe mentioned, where we have 1 figurehead who is seen as "god" then yes the death of this guy ends the dictatorship on spot.
The basis for a dictatorship is always some sort of ideology, you need sth OR sb who the people of your country can believe in. (the only exception to this rule are military based dictatorships and those mostly end in massacre and revolution)
Then some people "implant" (in terms of Mass Effect "indoctrinate") this ideal into the minds of the people. (interestingly religion started the same way ;-))
Afterwards you need sth to "personalise" this ideal and this is where we get to the main point.
If this "sth" is a person then the "cult" dies with its leader unless we have a proper successor who is recognized by the people of your country (mostly sons)
The other way would be a more abstract "personalisation" e. g. ideals which are important for the people of your country themselves and which they readily accept without questions.
In the second way the dictatorship can live on without having a "godsend" (or whatever the ideal is based on) leader, as long as the people of the country don't change their reasoning at whole.
LastChapter said: Went ahead and added info to Gabriel Miller's character page. Spoiler warning, but you can definitely tell how much of a psychopath he is.
Gabriel best villain ever xD Such a shame his final fight wasnt that good
LastChapter said: Went ahead and added info to Gabriel Miller's character page. Spoiler warning, but you can definitely tell how much of a psychopath he is.
Gabriel best villain ever xD Such a shame his final fight wasnt that good
People are complaining about the crappy villains in the series, but that's because they don't know the true influence of Kayaba Akihiko. Sugou and Kyouji I have to agree were really crappy, but wait until we get to Quinella and Vector XD
LastChapter said: Went ahead and added info to Gabriel Miller's character page. Spoiler warning, but you can definitely tell how much of a psychopath he is.
Gabriel best villain ever xD Such a shame his final fight wasnt that good
People are complaining about the crappy villains in the series, but that's because they don't know the true influence of Kayaba Akihiko. Sugou and Kyouji I have to agree were really crappy, but wait until we get to Quinella and Vector XD
I hope they dont get tonned down and they are like in the WN since they LN seems to be a little bit softer
LastChapter said: Went ahead and added info to Gabriel Miller's character page. Spoiler warning, but you can definitely tell how much of a psychopath he is.
Gabriel best villain ever xD Such a shame his final fight wasnt that good
People are complaining about the crappy villains in the series, but that's because they don't know the true influence of Kayaba Akihiko. Sugou and Kyouji I have to agree were really crappy, but wait until we get to Quinella and Vector XD
I hope they dont get tonned down and they are like in the WN since they LN seems to be a little bit softer
Well, I don't think A-1 will look for a WN adaptation since web novels are outdated.
I actually have a question that needs clarifying pertaining to the END OF THE ALICIZATION ARC. *blinding lights*
The summaries didn't go in too much detail, but
ALICIZATION ENDING SPOILER
does Star King Kirito reside in UW or at Ocean Turtle/Rath? I'm assuming the later since Kirito, Asuna, and Alice dive once more and solos space boss. It'd definitely be weird to see a saged 200-year-old god interacting with the adult Kirito.
salmon3669 said:
Jarkzy said:
LastChapter said:
Jarkzy said:
LastChapter said: Went ahead and added info to Gabriel Miller's character page. Spoiler warning, but you can definitely tell how much of a psychopath he is.
Gabriel best villain ever xD Such a shame his final fight wasnt that good
People are complaining about the crappy villains in the series, but that's because they don't know the true influence of Kayaba Akihiko. Sugou and Kyouji I have to agree were really crappy, but wait until we get to Quinella and Vector XD
I hope they dont get tonned down and they are like in the WN since they LN seems to be a little bit softer
Well, I don't think A-1 will look for a WN adaptation since web novels are outdated.
Not only outdated, but too graphic. One of the saving graces from the web novel to light novel conversion was that Reki took out all the rape scenes.
LastChapter said: I actually have a question that needs clarifying pertaining to the END OF THE ALICIZATION ARC. *blinding lights*
The summaries didn't go in too much detail, but
ALICIZATION ENDING SPOILER
does Star King Kirito reside in UW or at Ocean Turtle/Rath? I'm assuming the later since Kirito, Asuna, and Alice dive once more and solos space boss. It'd definitely be weird to see a saged 200-year-old god interacting with the adult Kirito.
[spoiler]
[spoiler]
Star King Kirito is a copy of Kirito who resides in the UW, he has no physical body as far as I understand, and he dies before Kirito, Asuna and Alice dive into UW again.
LastChapter said: I actually have a question that needs clarifying pertaining to the END OF THE ALICIZATION ARC. *blinding lights*
The summaries didn't go in too much detail, but
ALICIZATION ENDING SPOILER
does Star King Kirito reside in UW or at Ocean Turtle/Rath? I'm assuming the later since Kirito, Asuna, and Alice dive once more and solos space boss. It'd definitely be weird to see a saged 200-year-old god interacting with the adult Kirito.
[spoiler]
Thinking of time difference between UW and the real world, he is probably deader than dead
salmon3669 said:
Jarkzy said:
LastChapter said:
Jarkzy said:
LastChapter said: Went ahead and added info to Gabriel Miller's character page. Spoiler warning, but you can definitely tell how much of a psychopath he is.
Gabriel best villain ever xD Such a shame his final fight wasnt that good
People are complaining about the crappy villains in the series, but that's because they don't know the true influence of Kayaba Akihiko. Sugou and Kyouji I have to agree were really crappy, but wait until we get to Quinella and Vector XD
I hope they dont get tonned down and they are like in the WN since they LN seems to be a little bit softer
Well, I don't think A-1 will look for a WN adaptation since web novels are outdated.
A-1 makes an adapatation of the Light Novels, but the LN are an adapatation of the Web Novel so Its more or less the same xD
LastChapter said: Went ahead and added info to Gabriel Miller's character page. Spoiler warning, but you can definitely tell how much of a psychopath he is.
Gabriel best villain ever xD Such a shame his final fight wasnt that good
People are complaining about the crappy villains in the series, but that's because they don't know the true influence of Kayaba Akihiko. Sugou and Kyouji I have to agree were really crappy, but wait until we get to Quinella and Vector XD
I hope they dont get tonned down and they are like in the WN since they LN seems to be a little bit softer
Well, I don't think A-1 will look for a WN adaptation since web novels are outdated.
Not only outdated, but too graphic. One of the saving graces from the web novel to light novel conversion was that Reki took out all the rape scenes.
"all".
LastChapter said: Went ahead and added info to Gabriel Miller's character page. Spoiler warning, but you can definitely tell how much of a psychopath he is.
Wow, i should stop clicking links without reading the next 4 fucking words. LOL
LastChapter said: I actually have a question that needs clarifying pertaining to the END OF THE ALICIZATION ARC. *blinding lights*
The summaries didn't go in too much detail, but
ALICIZATION ENDING SPOILER
does Star King Kirito reside in UW or at Ocean Turtle/Rath? I'm assuming the later since Kirito, Asuna, and Alice dive once more and solos space boss. It'd definitely be weird to see a saged 200-year-old god interacting with the adult Kirito.
[spoiler]
Thinking of time difference between UW and the real world, he is probably deader than dead
Thinking of time difference between UW and the real world, he is probably deader than dead
He is actually confirmed to have passed away.
LastChapter said:
Not only outdated, but too graphic. One of the saving graces from the web novel to light novel conversion was that Reki took out all the rape scenes.
This is a matter of opinion.
On one hand it's less NTR fetish fueling, but on the other there's more weight behind it had that been kept it.
Also, what were they actually doing in that scene in the LN?
Because Tieze and Ronye sure acted like they'd been raped, yet their clothes were supposedly.
Well, I suppose for Underworld residents even a kiss from someone not married to them would be shocking. I guess the forgot-their-names noble dicks molested them or something.
Not only outdated, but too graphic. One of the saving graces from the web novel to light novel conversion was that Reki took out all the rape scenes.
This is a matter of opinion.
On one hand it's less NTR fetish fueling, but on the other there's more weight behind it had that been kept it.
Also, what were they actually doing in that scene in the LN?
Because Tieze and Ronye sure acted like they'd been raped, yet their clothes were supposedly.
Well, I suppose for Underworld residents even a kiss from someone not married to them would be shocking. I guess the forgot-their-names noble dicks molested them or something.
Illustrations show that Alice did
revert to her younger self, but I guess you can justify they were defiled. They nearly got the tip in.
"Even when they're infected with the Human Immunodeficiency Virus, if
they can be treated early, it's possible to contain the AIDS virus for about
10, 20 years. Through medication and thorough health management, it is
possible to live like one before infection now."
"…However, it's an undeniable fact that the chances of Newborns being
able to survive for 5 years after being afflicted with HIV would be a lot
lower than adults. Yuuki-kun's mother once wanted to bring everyone
down with her when she knew that the whole family was infected.
However, her mother was a Christian since young, and through religion
and the help of her father, she broke through the initial crisis, and then
chose to continue fighting the disease."
"Continue…fighting…"
"Yes. From the moment Yuuki was born, she was forced to fight the virus
to survive. Once she broke through the most critical moment, the petite her
was able to grow up safely and even enter primary school. For a kid—it's
tough to take in a large amount of drugs regularly. Besides, Nucleoside
Reverse Transcriptase Inhibitors are drugs with powerful side effects.
However, Yuuki-kun still believed that she would one day be healed and
continued to work hard. She was hardworking, and it looked like she had
top grades throughout her years in school. She had lots of friends, and I
once saw many images of her at that time. She continued to have such a
dazzling smile…"
Asuna heard the doctor pause and sigh for a short while,
"—The school didn't know that Yuuki-kun was a HIV carrier. Actually, this
is to be expected. Health check-ups carried out by the school or an
enterprise are not supposed to include HIV checks in blood. However…just
as she went into 4th grade, for some reason, a group of parents of
students that were of the same age found out that Yuuki-kun was a carrier.
The rumors immediately started to spread…The law stipulated that they
shouldn't discriminate against carriers just because they were infected with
HIV. However, the sad thing is that not all the people in society are
kind…in the beginning, there were people who protested against her
coming to school to study, or pranks like calls and letters and so on. Her
parents tried their best, but in the end, they had to move, and Yuuki-kun
was forced to transfer to another school."
"…"
Asuna could no longer react. She could only straighten her back and listen
to the doctor's words.
"And though Yuuki-kun worked hard to go to the new school every
day…the cruel thing was that…at this moment, it started. The indicator to
show the weakening of the immunization system, the lymph cells CD4
started to decrease drastically. In other words…the AIDS virus had started
to take effect. I've always felt that the harmful words of the parents and
teachers in her previous school was the reason why she became ill."
The young doctor attempted to continue keeping his voice calm, but the
somewhat rushed sound of breathing revealed his true emotions.
"—As the Immune System weakened, she was easily infected by viruses
and bacteria that she could normally resist. This situation is called
'Opportunistic Infection'. Yuuki-kun was infected by something called a
Pneumocystis Pneumonia and ended up hospitalized here, and that was
about 3.5 years ago. Yuuki-kun continued to be positive. She would always
have a smile on her face every day, saying 'I will never lose to the disease'.
She never grumbled even during the painful checkups. However…"
Having paused here, the doctor seemed like he started to move.
"Whether it's in the hospital or the patient, there're lots of bacteria and
viruses. Once the AIDS virus activates, we can only continue to treat the
symptoms that came with the 'Opportunistic Infection'. After the
pneumonia, Yuuki-kun was infected with throat candida—At this moment,
society was rocked by the Nerve Gear incident, and there was a huge
commotion. At that time, there was even a discussion to seal off the
FullDive Technology completely. However, the country and some
manufacturers finished their research on Nerve Gear in medical
treatment…the first experimental Medicuboid was completed at this
moment. Also, they moved the machine over to this hospital to start the
clinical trials. But even though it was an experiment, the original machine
was that scary Nerve Gear, and nobody knew what would happen to the
brain if we increased the density output of the electronic pulses over a long
period. So in these circumstances, it was really difficult to find any
volunteers that were willing to help with the experiment. Once I knew about
this…I proposed something to Yuuki-kun and her family…"
I think Alicization cliffhanger won't appear, there's just 2 episodes left and there's still two things to cover, first is Yuuki going to school and her
Reyxe said: I think Alicization cliffhanger won't appear, there's just 2 episodes left and there's still two things to cover, first is Yuuki going to school and her
death
And Asuna's mother thing.
In all honesty, the anime can end with the
funeral,
but we'll see how fast the pacing is. Because if A-1 is going to skip of good chunk of the arc, it might as well be next episode with all the slice-of-life content and such. Though I hope that won't happen.
Reyxe said: I think Alicization cliffhanger won't appear, there's just 2 episodes left and there's still two things to cover, first is Yuuki going to school and her
death
And Asuna's mother thing.
In all honesty, the anime can end with the
funeral,
but we'll see how fast the pacing is. Because if A-1 is going to skip of good chunk of the arc, it might as well be next episode with all the slice-of-life content and such. Though I hope that won't happen.
Well with the next episode named "Beginning of a dream" said ending would be a bid morbid, wouldn't it be?
CookingPriest said: I am saying that I don't see how they would stretch what is left of MR for whole 2 episodes.
Well, I am pretty sure half the people watching SAO will call ALicization ending an asspull to grab views. God people sometimes. Can't understand more than the surface of things.
CookingPriest said: I am saying that I don't see how they would stretch what is left of MR for whole 2 episodes.
School
Final meet up
Death
Funeral
Alicization twist
My point exactly.
Sounds like alot, but Maybe I am overestimating. Well We need the ALicization twist but I am pretty sure alot of people are going to call it an asspull because they need to find something wrong with the series every episode. Like If you hate it so much just drop it.
CookingPriest said: I am saying that I don't see how they would stretch what is left of MR for whole 2 episodes.
School
Final meet up
Death
Funeral
Alicization twist
My point exactly.
Sounds like alot, but Maybe I am overestimating. Well We need the ALicization twist but I am pretty sure alot of people are going to call it an asspull because they need to find something wrong with the series every episode. Like If you hate it so much just drop it.
Well its not like it really matters for us because we already know what happens xD But If they end up with a huge cliffhanger like that I hope they dont last 2 years again to release the 3rd season, Its such a lot of time, LN are gonna be done a long time ago then
LastChapter said: You saw the convo with Asuna and the doc. Pretty sure A-1 will find a way.
By making it two lines and not explaining anything?
I mean, I can see why they wouldn't see the need for the full medical lecture, but the technology behind the STL requires an explanation so everything doesn't seem like BS.
Yeah I am grateful they shortened explanation of doctor.
It was bordering on medschool lecture in LN.
I see the school scenes and theALO scenes being shortened a bit and yeah they will most def end on the cliffie - its their style so far for every episode.
Pretty sure they'll find a way. They cut the Death Gun explanation in the beginning of the season, Sleeping Knights + Asuna dungeoning before the boss fight, etc.
But STL technology must be explained properly else Alicization won't make sense.
Im actually expecting it to end with Kirito falling to the ground and Asuna calling the hospital or something like that, an explanation at the end would be so stupid because if they explain it here they are not gonna explain it again at the beggining of the new arc, or they shouldnt, so if people dont remember it, what is more likely going to happen, they may get lost or either have to come back to the last episode of season 2
Jarkzy said: Im actually expecting it to end with Kirito falling to the ground and Asuna calling the hospital or something like that, an explanation at the end would be so stupid because if they explain it here they are not gonna explain it again at the beggining of the new arc, or they shouldnt, so if people dont remember it, what is more likely going to happen, they may get lost or either have to come back to the last episode of season 2
So pretty much skip Asada convo and go straight to the date and cliffhanger leaving the explanation to next season with perhaps Kirito
waking up in UW and flashbacks to what he last remembers with the Asada convo. I feel the first ep though will start with Kritio, Eugeo, and Alice's childhood, giving the anime watchers a mindfuck. Then it ends with current Kirito waking up.
waking up in UW and flashbacks to what he last remembers with the Asada convo. I feel the first ep though will start with Kritio, Eugeo, and Alice's childhood, giving the anime watchers a mindfuck. Then it ends with current Kirito waking up.
When I first read Alicization I was like "dafuq is this, wtf", LOL
Jarkzy said: Im actually expecting it to end with Kirito falling to the ground and Asuna calling the hospital or something like that, an explanation at the end would be so stupid because if they explain it here they are not gonna explain it again at the beggining of the new arc, or they shouldnt, so if people dont remember it, what is more likely going to happen, they may get lost or either have to come back to the last episode of season 2
So pretty much skip Asada convo and go straight to the date and cliffhanger leaving the explanation to next season with perhaps Kirito
waking up in UW and flashbacks to what he last remembers with the Asada convo. I feel the first ep though will start with Kritio, Eugeo, and Alice's childhood, giving the anime watchers a mindfuck. Then it ends with current Kirito waking up.
Yeah.
We would see the THING and then when Alicization happens we would get it contextualized properly.
Jarkzy said: Im actually expecting it to end with Kirito falling to the ground and Asuna calling the hospital or something like that, an explanation at the end would be so stupid because if they explain it here they are not gonna explain it again at the beggining of the new arc, or they shouldnt, so if people dont remember it, what is more likely going to happen, they may get lost or either have to come back to the last episode of season 2
So pretty much skip Asada convo and go straight to the date and cliffhanger leaving the explanation to next season with perhaps Kirito
waking up in UW and flashbacks to what he last remembers with the Asada convo. I feel the first ep though will start with Kritio, Eugeo, and Alice's childhood, giving the anime watchers a mindfuck. Then it ends with current Kirito waking up.
Yeah.
We would see the THING and then when Alicization happens we would get it contextualized properly.
Jarkzy said: Im actually expecting it to end with Kirito falling to the ground and Asuna calling the hospital or something like that, an explanation at the end would be so stupid because if they explain it here they are not gonna explain it again at the beggining of the new arc, or they shouldnt, so if people dont remember it, what is more likely going to happen, they may get lost or either have to come back to the last episode of season 2
So pretty much skip Asada convo and go straight to the date and cliffhanger leaving the explanation to next season with perhaps Kirito
waking up in UW and flashbacks to what he last remembers with the Asada convo. I feel the first ep though will start with Kritio, Eugeo, and Alice's childhood, giving the anime watchers a mindfuck. Then it ends with current Kirito waking up.
Yeah.
We would see the THING and then when Alicization happens we would get it contextualized properly.
Seems to be the most reasonable possibility
Yeah thought the same - we don't need the explanation for the STL in this season. And to be honest there also isn't the time for it.
The only thing they could explain is the heartbeat sensor for Kirito, as the cliffhanger could end with seeing it display 0 heartbeat to confirm his "death".
Yes they would have to change the order of events a bit but for that one scene I would have no problem with it.