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Whose death did you mourn more in ep 17/
Oct 27, 2014 10:33 AM
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Episode 17 was pretty shocking, even for someone who read the manga. Music and animation made it come alive...(grim pun intended). So seeing the heated discussion on the episode let's put it to numbers and see just whose loss hit harder and express our feelings on the subject below.
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Oct 27, 2014 10:36 AM
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IMO Chelsea wins this one for me
Oct 27, 2014 10:42 AM
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For me Chelsea wins, it would be fun to have her in the future and see how it worked out with tatsumi. And Bols was a nice guy he cared about other people but couldn't see that the society was f*cked up.
Oct 27, 2014 10:44 AM
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I voted Bols - her head was justice for the way she murdered him. Props to Kurome for that.

To explain why i felt so sorry for him and hated Chelsea, was because she used his good nature to kill him. Had Bold behaved like a soulless killing machine he would not have fallen for the trap. She could kill him, because he acted like a human being.

Poetic justice that the same approach killed Chelsea when faced with Kurome who when doped and pissed turned out to not be as much of a human nor humanitarian as Chelsea had hoped.
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Oct 27, 2014 10:46 AM
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I voted for Chelsea

Oct 27, 2014 5:45 PM
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Chelsea hurt way more only because she was on the good team. Bols was an EXTREMELY nice guy and all but he did incinerate people because of mere orders. Still really sad to see him go.
Oct 27, 2014 6:11 PM
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MonsterZed said:
I voted Bols - her head was justice for the way she murdered him. Props to Kurome for that.

To explain why i felt so sorry for him and hated Chelsea, was because she used his good nature to kill him. Had Bold behaved like a soulless killing machine he would not have fallen for the trap. She could kill him, because he acted like a human being.

Poetic justice that the same approach killed Chelsea when faced with Kurome who when doped and pissed turned out to not be as much of a human nor humanitarian as Chelsea had hoped.


I consider it justice for Bols to have died by Chelsea's hand. Using the "I was just following orders" as an excuse to justify having literally murdered dozens of people doesn't fly with me. Besides, I respect Chelsea for taking such a pragmatic approach and actually being an assassin.
Oct 27, 2014 6:12 PM
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I'm honestly surprise that chelsea is leading, we barely even knew her. I'm going to guess most people choose her because of the type of death she got.
Oct 27, 2014 6:19 PM
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Bols had more to mourn for, he was a good man. Chelsea was just a super-spy who was accomplishing her mission. Even though Chelsea was the best girl her death wasn't all that sad.
Oct 27, 2014 7:02 PM
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Voted for Chelsea.
Oct 27, 2014 9:42 PM
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Definitely Chelsea.

That said, I'm not mourning for her per se, i'm mourning for the "abortion" of her storyline. We had what, two interactions with Mine ? One with Tatsumi, one with Najenda ? Her background was expedited ten minutes prior to her death and we didn't get to know much about her.

Actually this is a recurring problem in the series. Bulat got killed before we got a chance to REALLY know him, Sheele didn't serve any purpose at all except for giving Tatsumi a reason to cry and us a reason to loathe and despise Seryu, same with tatsumi's childhood friends, etc.

I'd also have liked to know more about Kurome's corpse-puppets "trophies" rather than a one-sentence background, they all looked interesting but were introduced in an episode and got killed two episodes after that (except cowboy girl and Ky Kiske).

In my opinion too many people forget that Bols chose to incinerate for a living, killing prisoners and innocent civilians alike, and choose to overlook that for his apparent warm and fuzzy personality. At least Chelsea's assassinations are always targeted at abusers and harmful people (sorry for the naive wording here, couldn't find something else) and seem painless.

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Oct 27, 2014 11:01 PM

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Bols for sure. Although he committed horrible acts as a soldier, he recognizes that and is a hero to his family. Chelsea didn't have much character development and her stupidity led to her death. Can't say I felt anything for her.

Edit: Is Chelsea leading because shes a chick or one of the "good guys"(this is subjective). She barely had any development. They should have kept her longer and killed Mine... Shes pretty much the most generic annoying character. Well, to each their own.
Oct 28, 2014 1:14 AM

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I'm just voted for Chelsea.
Oct 28, 2014 1:46 AM
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It was pretty sad to see them both go even though Chelsea didn't have much character development to begin with.
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I'm still mourning over Chelsea
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Oct 28, 2014 2:16 AM
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I'm honestly surprise that chelsea is leading, we barely even knew her. I'm going to guess most people choose her because of the type of death she got.


Because most people think that a person fighting for justice getting butchered and getting her head displayed at the town center while being skewered on a pole, is much more tragic and pitiful than a guy who murdered hundreds of innocents, women and children and getting killed with seemingly quick, painless death by a needle.

I voted both though.
Oct 28, 2014 3:29 AM
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It certainly wasn't painless. Ask Kurome.
Oct 28, 2014 3:35 AM

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Just look at how they died... definitely Chelsea.
Oct 28, 2014 5:51 AM

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Both Honestly,
My reaction was a tad bit more emotional when I was reading the manga though as Bor's death saddens me in Chapter 32, so my body wasn't ready when Chapter 33 happened....Had to stop my binge reading for at least 1/2 an hour.

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Both were saddening, but I'll say Chelsea, mainly because of the manner in which she died. Although I will disagree with those who say Chelsea had no character development, and say she somehow deserved her death but Bols didn't.

Chelsea had more development than Bols did. From the moment he was introduced, Bols was always that nice guy with a past that haunts him, and that never changed. Chelsea however started out as that calculating person who always thinks ahead and always chooses the wisest course of action, without allowing her sentimentality to cloud her judgement. Yet she went to face Kurome alone against her better judgement for the sake of her friends. That's development right there.

In their line of work, no one in Night Raid or the Jaegers is innocent, thy're on opposing sides fighting for what they believe is justice, so I don't think it's fair to say Chelsea deserved her death. She even showed remorse for killing Bols when she acknowledges that battles between those who work in the shadows, such as themselves, are painful.
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Both were saddening, but I'll say Chelsea, mainly because of the manner in which she died. Although I will disagree with those who say Chelsea had no character development, and say she somehow deserved her death but Bols didn't.

Chelsea had more development than Bols did. From the moment he was introduced, Bols was always that nice guy with a past that haunts him, and that never changed. Chelsea however started out as that calculating person who always thinks ahead and always chooses the wisest course of action, without allowing her sentimentality to cloud her judgement. Yet she went to face Kurome alone against her better judgement for the sake of her friends. That's development right there.

In their line of work, no one in Night Raid or the Jaegers is innocent, thy're on opposing sides fighting for what they believe is justice, so I don't think it's fair to say Chelsea deserved her death. She even showed remorse for killing Bols when she acknowledges that battles between those who work in the shadows, such as themselves, are painful.


Could not agree more. That's actually why i said both equally
Oct 28, 2014 6:23 AM

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Voted for both. It's sad seeing them die especially when I first read it in the manga. Bols crawling trying to go back to his family is just heartbreaking. Chelsea is best girl so her death is also sad.
Oct 28, 2014 7:48 AM

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Didn't care for either. However, I'm sad that they never showed Bors' face lel.
Oct 29, 2014 5:36 AM

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Chelsea for me. When she died, I actually cried. When Bols died, I didn't really feel a thing about it.

Don't have any reasons for why, just going with my emotions.
Oct 29, 2014 8:58 AM

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Chelsea for me. When she died, I actually cried. When Bols died, I didn't really feel a thing about it.
Oct 29, 2014 10:37 AM
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Both knowingly chose and kept their paths.

Bols essentially lived well at the great expense of others.

Chelsea lived terribly for the sake of others.

Bols died a very simple death--pierced spinal cord, at the hands of a remorseful and morally sound (relatively) assassin.

Chelsea died after being pursued like an animal, with her body subsequently bloodied brutally: her fingers blown off, her right arm severed, her chest shot through, and finally decapitated--all the work of a pair of thralls under the control of a murderously insane, drug-addled necromancer-in-effect.

Bols was left intact for his loved ones to bury.

Chelsea became a bloody statement atop a spire in a public square.


The choice was clear.
Oct 29, 2014 2:08 PM
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They both had me pretty sad but when I saw Chelsea's head on the pike it had me done and the feels hit me like a bus. and f*ck seryuu
Oct 29, 2014 2:33 PM
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Both of them

They both were great characters that died way too soon TwT
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Both knowingly chose and kept their paths.

Bols essentially lived well at the great expense of others.

Chelsea lived terribly for the sake of others.

Bols died a very simple death--pierced spinal cord, at the hands of a remorseful and morally sound (relatively) assassin.

Chelsea died after being pursued like an animal, with her body subsequently bloodied brutally: her fingers blown off, her right arm severed, her chest shot through, and finally decapitated--all the work of a pair of thralls under the control of a murderously insane, drug-addled necromancer-in-effect.

Bols was left intact for his loved ones to bury.

Chelsea became a bloody statement atop a spire in a public square.


The choice was clear.


When you put it like that, yeah Chelsea deff got the raw end of the deal
Oct 29, 2014 3:03 PM
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Chelsea did her job using most vile and despicable methods. Also she didn't get chopped to pieces because evil chops people to pieces and good sticks needles in their neck. She got chopped to pieces because Kurome realized (after nearly being killed herself) that before her stands the killer of her comrade. That was more then enough reason to make it personal.

The irony of it all is that the "good guy" is being the most manipulative and cold-hearted of the whole bunch, while the bad guys are showing much more human emotions and affection in the whole situation.

That and the fact we see Bols regretting his past and trying to be more human when possible makes the gap between good and bad guys that much less.
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i chose chelsea but it was a hard choice just because of how well bols death was done in the anime.

But at the end of the day, I liked chelsea character more than bols. Although bols brought some nice comedy to the jaegers I think chelsea brought much more to the show as a whole.

Chelseas death was almost too much, while bols was really sad. I will miss chelsea more as a character though so pickd her.
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I voted Bols - her head was justice for the way she murdered him. Props to Kurome for that.

To explain why i felt so sorry for him and hated Chelsea, was because she used his good nature to kill him. Had Bold behaved like a soulless killing machine he would not have fallen for the trap. She could kill him, because he acted like a human being.

Poetic justice that the same approach killed Chelsea when faced with Kurome who when doped and pissed turned out to not be as much of a human nor humanitarian as Chelsea had hoped.


what about the entire villages that bols burned alive including children just on suspicion of wanting to support the revolutionary army?

He was weak, and did all this because he wanted HIS own happiness of having his family safe, at the expense of burning thousands of people alive.

Then the guy wants to act like he even has the right to have a happy family and be a "nice guy".

kind of a creep if you ask me.

he even admitted himself hes not a nice guy
Although I agree his death was sad.
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I really thought Chelsea was going to end up being Tatsumi's girlfriend. Her getting killed this early after her introduction makes me think that Mine is going to end up being his gf, and I really despise Mine -.-

But a little bit more OT, I actually felt sadder during Bol's death. That was a cheap kill.
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I really thought Chelsea was going to end up being Tatsumi's girlfriend. Her getting killed this early after her introduction makes me think that Mine is going to end up being his gf, and I really despise Mine -.-

But a little bit more OT, I actually felt sadder during Bol's death. That was a cheap kill.


Cheap but at least his body wasn't chopped up >_>
Oct 31, 2014 2:40 AM

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Chelsea although Bols scene with him reaching out towards his family was sad.
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I really thought Chelsea was going to end up being Tatsumi's girlfriend. Her getting killed this early after her introduction makes me think that Mine is going to end up being his gf, and I really despise Mine -.-

But a little bit more OT, I actually felt sadder during Bol's death. That was a cheap kill.


I think the sadness of bols death scene, including the music that played is making all you guys forget all the atrocities the man committed.

I almost think bols is one of the scariest characters. Hes burned alive more people than a serial killer, just because of orders with no evidence, then acts like a 5 year old girl in his mannerisms and what not.

He has some kind of mental problem. I felt sorry for his death as well, and wanting to get back to his family.

But he had to die. He was on the side of evil and committed evil and killed so many people just so him and his family could live "happily".

Chelsea is like a real assassin, shes not the best fighter, her teigu just disguises her... thats how she has to kill. Bols at first was even going to accept his death because he knew he deserved it, only reason he didn't because he wanted to go back to his family.

Give Chelsea a break, at least she killed him quickly and easily instead of chopping her to pieces or dissecting or torturing them like the Jaegers.
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Kalypze said:
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I really thought Chelsea was going to end up being Tatsumi's girlfriend. Her getting killed this early after her introduction makes me think that Mine is going to end up being his gf, and I really despise Mine -.-

But a little bit more OT, I actually felt sadder during Bol's death. That was a cheap kill.


I think the sadness of bols death scene, including the music that played is making all you guys forget all the atrocities the man committed.

I almost think bols is one of the scariest characters. Hes burned alive more people than a serial killer, just because of orders with no evidence, then acts like a 5 year old girl in his mannerisms and what not.

He has some kind of mental problem. I felt sorry for his death as well, and wanting to get back to his family.

But he had to die. He was on the side of evil and committed evil and killed so many people just so him and his family could live "happily".

Chelsea is like a real assassin, shes not the best fighter, her teigu just disguises her... thats how she has to kill. Bols at first was even going to accept his death because he knew he deserved it, only reason he didn't because he wanted to go back to his family.

Give Chelsea a break, at least she killed him quickly and easily instead of chopping her to pieces or dissecting or torturing them like the Jaegers.


Chelsea's end is even worse if you consider what happened to the rest of her >_>
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I'd say both. I liked Bols a lot. He wasn't actually bad. He was a soldier that followed orders. He wasn't a bad man. When he was crumbling to reach his home to see his daughter and wife was sad. Now Chelsea was a true assassin. Killing her target by focusing on the weal spots of the body so that the targets death wouldn't be painful. Her teigu was the best assasin weapon IMO. The way Kurome killed her and then chopping off her head and displaying it in public was way too harsh but it was a revenge for Bols. Both deaths were sad for me and both will be missed!
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Chelsea's death was MUCH MUCH MUCH more morbid than Bols' was, but Bols' was more emotional, so he wins.

But I really liked both characters and I'm mourning their deaths equally.



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I think the sadness of bols death scene, including the music that played is making all you guys forget all the atrocities the man committed.

I almost think bols is one of the scariest characters. Hes burned alive more people than a serial killer, just because of orders with no evidence, then acts like a 5 year old girl in his mannerisms and what not.

He has some kind of mental problem. I felt sorry for his death as well, and wanting to get back to his family.

But he had to die. He was on the side of evil and committed evil and killed so many people just so him and his family could live "happily".

How's this different from real life soldiers? Bols was basically doing as he was instructed as a soldier working for his country. The only real difference is that Imperial Arms allow soldiers in AgK to do more heinous acts than soldiers in the real world can do quite so easily. But do you know how many of our war heroes have done some really disgusting things? A lot, man. A lot.

During war, a lot of terrible things happen to people, and a lot of them don't deserve it. Even good people do terrible things because they are told to by the countries they serve.

Bols was aware of this and accepted it. You can criticize his judgment in not turning traitor like the members of Night Raid, but in reality, turning traitor isn't exactly something that happens a lot.



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Chelsea, she was one of the only night raid members i liked :/
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Though i clearly sympathise with Bols i can't deny that Chelsea is a head.
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Honestly I didnt care for either side since I simply couldnt connect with them in such a short time.
Still, I gotta say Chelseas death was executed more shocking.
Bols death was simply a result of him letting his guard down, remember Night Raid are assasins such things as a fair fight shouldnt exist.
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I like bols but I loved chelsea
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I don't care about either but Chelsea's death was impacting because of how gruesome it was and how we thought that she had succeeded in killing Kurome. However, she was no saint either because she ignored crimes like bribery as long as she was working her way to the top, and she killed a lot of people, including Bols. Bols' death was somewhat sympathetic because he had a family, and he was a good guy that only killed in the name of the law. In the end, both deserved to die for the sins they commit. Every character in AgK is going to face their retribution; that's part of what the story is about.
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I felt sad for Leone's arm more than those two.

Chelsea is my favorite female character in the show, but she didn't have enough time to make me care about her.
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chelsea received close to no character development.. her death was far from sad whereas the only thing sad in Bols death was his family fading away.. both deaths were pretty "meh".
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Yea Bols had the emotional death, I actually shed a tear for him. But for Chelsea, I was too busy going oh shit to cry.
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I think the answer for this one is muddy for both sides.

Chelsea and Bols were both murderers, and met their end by murderers. In that sense they were the same, both being true to their character till the end. Was one executed better than another? Not really.

Bols' death was traumatic for the family he left behind. The emotional pull you felt when a family loses their loved one is damn hard, but Bols also committed this same thing numerous times. It was retribution for what he's done to so many people in order to keep his family safe and living well. That being said, Bols was literally the one guy whose conscience always affected him. He carried those deaths on his back everyday and they always affected him. Bols' death was done more theatrically as well as he dies being who he is, which is irony for his character who has never truly been who he was in the field. He had to betray his very character in order to save those who loved him, despite what he looked like and what he's done. He was willing to throw away his humanity for them...but it was that same humanity that killed him and makes this death a very tragic one. The power behind the death of a loved one is strong, especially if that means the family will now be left without any source of income. And with the Capital being the way it is who knows what can happen.

Chelsea on the other hand died for doing the right thing. Despite being a murderer you can justify killing many people for doing the right thing right? Not really, nothing justifies anything which is a big point in this anime. Both sides are at fault, its just objectively we side with Night Raid. Chelsea's death was by far the most physically tragic death to date. She was literally torn apart and put up on display as a symbol of dominance. Does her death bring shock? Yes because she wasn't as well-developed as others and people wanted more. Was the emotion behind it sound? Yes. Just as badly as Bols crawled his way towards his family, Chelsea wanted to stand by her friends an emotion she never felt previously before joining Night Raid. Chelsea was the martyr this show needed to spark the ever-growing hatred towards the capital. Chelsea had power behind her because she was a "good guy" she just fell to her main character flaw, which was she thought she knew people.

Bols and Chelsea were traumatic for different reasons but just the same a tear should be shed for both. In an anime where the lines of justice are torn asunder we are reminded by these two deaths that no one is above retribution. Every one of these assassins/murderers has their chip to bear for the sake of their goals. Everyone has a justification for what they are doing. Is what they are doing right? We can never truly understand the power behind decision, but we can certainly feel the emotion behind it.

My vote goes for both.
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I think the answer for this one is muddy for both sides.

Chelsea and Bols were both murderers, and met their end by murderers. In that sense they were the same, both being true to their character till the end. Was one executed better than another? Not really.

Bols' death was traumatic for the family he left behind. The emotional pull you felt when a family loses their loved one is damn hard, but Bols also committed this same thing numerous times. It was retribution for what he's done to so many people in order to keep his family safe and living well. That being said, Bols was literally the one guy whose conscience always affected him. He carried those deaths on his back everyday and they always affected him. Bols' death was done more theatrically as well as he dies being who he is, which is irony for his character who has never truly been who he was in the field. He had to betray his very character in order to save those who loved him, despite what he looked like and what he's done. He was willing to throw away his humanity for them...but it was that same humanity that killed him and makes this death a very tragic one. The power behind the death of a loved one is strong, especially if that means the family will now be left without any source of income. And with the Capital being the way it is who knows what can happen.

Chelsea on the other hand died for doing the right thing. Despite being a murderer you can justify killing many people for doing the right thing right? Not really, nothing justifies anything which is a big point in this anime. Both sides are at fault, its just objectively we side with Night Raid. Chelsea's death was by far the most physically tragic death to date. She was literally torn apart and put up on display as a symbol of dominance. Does her death bring shock? Yes because she wasn't as well-developed as others and people wanted more. Was the emotion behind it sound? Yes. Just as badly as Bols crawled his way towards his family, Chelsea wanted to stand by her friends an emotion she never felt previously before joining Night Raid. Chelsea was the martyr this show needed to spark the ever-growing hatred towards the capital. Chelsea had power behind her because she was a "good guy" she just fell to her main character flaw, which was she thought she knew people.

Bols and Chelsea were traumatic for different reasons but just the same a tear should be shed for both. In an anime where the lines of justice are torn asunder we are reminded by these two deaths that no one is above retribution. Every one of these assassins/murderers has their chip to bear for the sake of their goals. Everyone has a justification for what they are doing. Is what they are doing right? We can never truly understand the power behind decision, but we can certainly feel the emotion behind it.

My vote goes for both.

Very well said.



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