Sword Art Online (light novel)
| At first Asuna and Simon seem cool, but throughout the course of the series, their worthlessness increases, as does their reliance on Kirito. Nearly every scene ever in SAO & SAO 2: *SWOON* "Oh Kirito save me! I'm a stupid woman who can't take care of herself and goes wild with embarrassed lust whenever I'm in your manly presence!" I support gender equality though, so I can't only bag on the girls and their weak knees & trigger fingers in kiritos presence. Kirito himself is also a problem, because he's perpetuating all the Macho male stereotypes about how we always have to coddle and protect women. He also makes me feel inferior and this is unacceptable. This show and its sexism makes me so mad that I'm seriously considering starting a petition on tumblr about it |
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DerpHole said: This show and its sexism makes me so mad that I'm seriously considering starting a petition on tumblr about it Haha this last part gave it away that this is indeed a troll thread. Thanks for the good laugh. Legitimately brightened up my night. |
DerpHole said: This show and its sexism makes me so mad that I'm seriously considering starting a petition on tumblr about it So mad that you're considering starting a tumblr petition... I actually was inclined to agree with your points, but you lost all credibility with that statement. |
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| Except for the parts where Kirito needed Asuna's and Shinon's help, and would have failed/been killed without them. Were those parts sexist? Although that one particular line about "killing girls isn't my thing" or whatever he said during that tournament really pissed me off. Also the whole thing where Shinon started acting like an asshole to Kirito after she found out he wasn't a chick. That's quite literally sexist. |
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| Let's ignore anime loves to use the "guys are perverts" stereotype though! |
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| You are all committing a logical fallacy by dismissing my claim on the basis of my association with tumblr. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Association_fallacy#Guilt_by_association Red_Keys said: The events in and of themselves weren't sexist, although I believe those were just examples of throwing bones to famished dogs. The amount of sexism in these shows is the most they can get away with in today's society. I think they only made them useful to him at certain points as if to say "See, they aren't completely useless damsels like those that were depicted in ages past! We aren't sexist!"Except for the parts where Kirito needed Asuna's and Shinon's help, and would have failed/been killed without them. Were those parts sexist? |
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| doesnt kirito being a transvestite in sao 2 kind of nullify this entire theory? cant be homophobic when ur promotic transgenders. Ellen even agrees. |
SolviteSekai said: doesnt kirito being a transvestite in sao 2 kind of nullify this entire theory? cant be homophobic when ur promotic transgenders. Ellen even agrees. Nobody's calling anyone homophobic here. Also, his being a girl in the virtual world doesn't mean anything lol |
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DerpHole said: SolviteSekai said: doesnt kirito being a transvestite in sao 2 kind of nullify this entire theory? cant be homophobic when ur promotic transgenders. Ellen even agrees. Nobody's calling anyone homophobic here. Also, his being a girl in the virtual world doesn't mean anything lol Clearly it doesnt, because he's not allowed to express the person he feels he is right? What a sexist thread. |
SolviteSekai said: DerpHole said: Nobody's calling anyone homophobic here. Also, his being a girl in the virtual world doesn't mean anything lol Clearly it doesnt, because he's not allowed to express the person he feels he is right? What a sexist thread. iirc, he didn't have any control over his appearance when he transferred so doesn't that SolviteSekai said: kind of nullify this entire theory? |
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DerpHole said: SolviteSekai said: Clearly it doesnt, because he's not allowed to express the person he feels he is right? What a sexist thread. iirc, he didn't have any control over his appearance when he transferred so doesn't that SolviteSekai said: kind of nullify this entire theory? Nobody has any control of their gender. But its whats inside that counts. You should accept kirito for how he is instead of trying to force your pre determined gender roles on him. |
| I acknowledge (not accept) kirito for what he is. A tool for promoting outdated gender stereotypes. I'm not forcing anything on him, I'm just making an observation. The ones who are forcing pre-determined gender roles on him are the producers. |
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DerpHole said: I acknowledge (not accept) kirito for what he is. A tool for promoting outdated gender stereotypes. I'm not forcing anything on him, I'm just making an observation. The ones who are forcing pre-determined gender roles on him are the producers. I'm too tired to keep sarcastically continuing this. So i'll be serious. I dont think Sinons thing is as bad as Asunas transformation to sidekick. Shes going to hopefully be useful again once this is all over. |
| Asuna had some broken character development tbh.. And are we forgetting Kirito is a guy...? Or did I just mis-read something? |
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| You are being ridiculous. There is no such thing as gender equality even in modern western societies (just look at the general political landscape), not to mention that SAO is action adventure and therefore highly dependent on male audience for it's success. That being said, just wait for the next few story arcs (namely Mother's Rosario and Alicization) and you'll see how strong women can be in SAO. |
l3eifong said: Just because there is no such thing as "gender equality" doesn't mean we shouldn't strive for it. Shows like this that are shown to children will instill these sexist roles in their mind. Shows like this poison future generations and hamper the progress of society.You are being ridiculous. There is no such thing as gender equality even in modern western societies (just look at the general political landscape), not to mention that SAO is action adventure and therefore highly dependent on male audience for it's success. That being said, just wait for the next few story arcs (namely Mother's Rosario and Alicization) and you'll see how strong women can be in SAO. |
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| [quote=DerpHole]You are all committing a logical fallacy by dismissing my claim on the basis of my association with tumblr. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Association_fallacy#Guilt_by_association I don't know that they were dismissing your claim so much as dismissing you Just because there is no such thing as "gender equality" doesn't mean we shouldn't strive for it. Shows like this that are shown to children will instill these sexist roles in their mind. Shows like this poison future generations and hamper the progress of society. Don't worry, after this they can watch Kill la Kill for their daily dose of strong female characters ;) |
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DerpHole said: Just because there is no such thing as "gender equality" doesn't mean we shouldn't strive for it. Shows like this that are shown to children will instill these sexist roles in their mind. Shows like this poison future generations and hamper the progress of society. I would argue that the concept of careerist feminist is far more dangerous for modern society in terms of man-to-woman relashionship and it's both demographic and psychological implications. |
Red_Keys said: Except for the parts where Kirito needed Asuna's and Shinon's help, and would have failed/been killed without them. Were those parts sexist? Although that one particular line about "killing girls isn't my thing" or whatever he said during that tournament really pissed me off. Also the whole thing where Shinon started acting like an asshole to Kirito after she found out he wasn't a chick. That's quite literally sexist. |
| It's not that I don't agree with you generally. The portrait of woman in anime as medium was always shitty and focused on boobs and panties. But I've also always felt that modern gender equality movements seems to fail in grasping the idea that "different" does not necessarily mean "unequal". Women are beautiful and to some extent weak. Just as men are. Deal with it. |
| SAO was created for loser beta males to imagine theyre invincible like the MC whos also able to get every girl to love him despite having no personality its the same with every harem and other virtual game shit like Accel World |
DerpHole said: This show and its sexism makes me so mad that I'm seriously considering starting a petition on tumblr about it I'm a woman and I find this offensive! :o But srsly... Get over it. At some points women are physically and mentally weaker than men and depend on them. It had always been like that. (Exceptions prove the rule) Welcome to our nature. And... being a strong, independent woman isn't always desirable. How would you describe your ideal woman? (Side Note: What do you even except. If a character as Kirito was a female he would be bashed 24/7 as Mary sue. :/) |
No matter what kind of wisdom dictates you the option you pick, no one will be able to tell if it's right or wrong until you arrive to some sort of outcome from your choice. Levi (Shingeki no Kyojin) |
| I personally don't get how this is sexist, Asuna was a damsel? yea, but the guy having the most traumas in the show was damn Kirito. Asuna saved him in the first chapters, helped him with the murder case, helped him beat The Gleam Eyes and they usually play as a team in Boss raids. Also, Asuna saved HIS life when the Kuradeel thing happened. Also, if it wasn't for her, Kirito would've had a mental breakdown after the crusade, Kuradeel's death and Kayaba's final duel. In ALO, yea, Asuna was there and he had to save her, ok. In GGO, Kirito was totally useless not even knowing dafuq to do and Sinon basically explain everything to him as if he was some kind of useless idiot, even with the dodging game. Sinon also killed the guy who was shooting both of them while kirito was deflecting bullets, something he couldn't have done for a much longer time. Then Sinon was almost killed and Kirito saved her, ok. This next its full of spoliers, read at your own whatever-is-the-word-im-missing-here I hope this is enough for you, Kirito does save the girls once in a while, but he gets a shitload of help too. |
ReyxeSep 7, 2014 6:38 AM
Reyxe said: I hope this is enough for you, Kirito does save the girls once in a while, but he gets a shitload of help too. Amen. It's like... Women saves (sometimes unobvious) a male character - audience: "whatever" Women cries and is useless for character development (not the case in every single story... don't you dare to discuss for goodness sake! I get that! ö__ö) - audience "omg this show is sexist" "omg I hate this woman. she is so useless and mimimimi" /shot These comments are so plain annoying! :< |
No matter what kind of wisdom dictates you the option you pick, no one will be able to tell if it's right or wrong until you arrive to some sort of outcome from your choice. Levi (Shingeki no Kyojin) |
Rei-tan said: At some points women are physically and mentally weaker than men and depend on them. It had always been like that. (Exceptions prove the rule) Welcome to our nature. And... being a strong, independent woman isn't always desirable. I wonder how much these thoughts of yours are the product of our society and the role society has given you that you subconsciously follow and feel is part of our "nature" because they were instilled in you at a young age. I wonder if your feelings on the subject would be different if you were raised in an environment which didn't encourage or dissuade you from doing or thinking anything that wasn't in line with society's expectations of you and your gender. Roles are a relic of the stone age. We are no longer hunter gatherers and these traditional roles are no longer necessary. They only serve to stifle and inhibit us as individuals. WAKE UP PEOPLE. STOP WATCHING POISONOUS SHOWS LIKE SAO. |
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Rei-tan said: DerpHole said: This show and its sexism makes me so mad that I'm seriously considering starting a petition on tumblr about it I'm a woman and I find this offensive! :o But srsly... Get over it. At some points women are physically and mentally weaker than men and depend on them. It had always been like that. (Exceptions prove the rule) Welcome to our nature. And... being a strong, independent woman isn't always desirable. How would you describe your ideal woman? (Side Note: What do you even except. If a character as Kirito was a female he would be bashed 24/7 as Mary sue. :/) you remind me of girls who try to be 'one of the guys' its ok I had that phase when I was 12 too |
Rei-tan said: Reyxe said: I hope this is enough for you, Kirito does save the girls once in a while, but he gets a shitload of help too. Amen. It's like... Women saves (sometimes unobvious) a male character - audience: "whatever" Women cries and is useless for character development (not the case in every single story... don't you dare to discuss for goodness sake! I get that! ö__ö) - audience "omg this show is sexist" "omg I hate this woman. she is so useless and mimimimi" /shot These comments are so plain annoying! :< It's the same irl, you go on the street: "IM PROUD TO BE WHITE" > YOU RACIST MOTHERF*CKER "IM PROUD TO BE BLACK" > THATS GOOD, ITS FINE TO BE PROUD OF YOUR COLOR. "IM PROUD TO BE A MAN" > SEXIST PIG, GO DIE IN A HOLE "IM PROUD TO BE A WOMAN" > THAT'S RIGHT GIRL, WE ARE NOT THE WEAK GENRE, WE HAVE THE POWAHHH "IM PROUD TO BE STRAIGHT" > WOW YOU HOMOFOBIC BASTARD, GROW UP, ITS 21ST CENTURY "IM PROUD TO BE GAY" > YEAAAA, THAT'S NOTHING TO BE ASHAMED OF Seriously, da fcking society is full of shit. |
DerpHole said: Roles are a relic of the stone age. We are no longer hunter gatherers and these traditional roles are no longer necessary. They only serve to stifle and inhibit us as individuals. I'm starting to wonder what your problem really is. |
| Well, Asuna turned useless after SAO (being relegated from one of the strongest frontliner players, to just a sideline healer/mascot/cheerleader) and Sinon's being a whining baby right now but otherwise, it's not so bad... |
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Pknoctis said: Well, Asuna turned useless after SAO (being relegated from one of the strongest frontliner players, to just a sideline healer/mascot/cheerleader) and Sinon's being a whining baby right now but otherwise, it's not so bad... If you think a support/healer role is useless, then you obviously haven't played enough games. In MMO the healer role its pretty important, you basically have to keep your entire guild/party alive, give some buffs and have some general knowledge of the effects of all your skills, also, you need to be pretty focused. In MOBAs (LoL, Dota 2) support is one of the hardest roles (hardest in Dota 2, 2nd hardest in LoL) cause you are the one moving, warding, defending, supporting, healing and so on. Sinon being a whining baby, seems like someone doesn't understand PTSD at all. Having a breakdown after that kind of experience is pretty normal, she'll be back on her feet next chapters. |
DerpHole said: Rei-tan said: At some points women are physically and mentally weaker than men and depend on them. It had always been like that. (Exceptions prove the rule) Welcome to our nature. And... being a strong, independent woman isn't always desirable. I wonder how much these thoughts of yours are the product of our society and the role society has given you that you subconsciously follow and feel is part of our "nature" because they were instilled in you at a young age. I wonder if your feelings on the subject would be different if you were raised in an environment which didn't encourage or dissuade you from doing or thinking anything that wasn't in line with society's expectations of you and your gender. Roles are a relic of the stone age. We are no longer hunter gatherers and these traditional roles are no longer necessary. They only serve to stifle and inhibit us as individuals. WAKE UP PEOPLE. STOP WATCHING POISONOUS SHOWS LIKE SAO. It's simple: You cannot chance a running system. Are you a male? You haven't answered my question about the ideal women. I'm interested in in your opinion. What do you think in which environment I was raised? Maybe I already woke up and just accepted things as they are. There are a lot more important stuff in this world that needs to be changed than something like that. (My Opinion. You are free to disagree~) Don't forget: Anime is entertainment. Don't take it too seriously. If you don't like this kind of entertainment turn it off. Don't waste your time on things you hate. And yes: there are people who are heavily influenced by anime... if you find these people take a step back and try to understand why. I stop at this point. (I think my English already said goodbye) marriage said: you remind me of girls who try to be 'one of the guys' its ok I had that phase when I was 12 too Then tell me whats wrong about my statement? Explain. I don't see myself as one of the guys. I'm a women, but I shut up about that (online) when I realized when people are nicer to me because of that. This disgusts me. And it's awkward like they just turned off their brain. This is common in MMO for example. (Now I feel like I'm out of the topic) Still waiting for someone who wants to describe their ideal women~ *brb searching proper English teachers* |
No matter what kind of wisdom dictates you the option you pick, no one will be able to tell if it's right or wrong until you arrive to some sort of outcome from your choice. Levi (Shingeki no Kyojin) |
| Lol. I always wonder....why does no feminist have the balls to talk about sexism in the middle east? Y'all are worried about sexism at work? Chicks in the middle east can't even drive lol. Fight for that cause instead of bickering over fictional shit. |
DerpHole said: Rei-tan said: At some points women are physically and mentally weaker than men and depend on them. It had always been like that. (Exceptions prove the rule) Welcome to our nature. And... being a strong, independent woman isn't always desirable. I wonder how much these thoughts of yours are the product of our society and the role society has given you that you subconsciously follow and feel is part of our "nature" because they were instilled in you at a young age. I wonder if your feelings on the subject would be different if you were raised in an environment which didn't encourage or dissuade you from doing or thinking anything that wasn't in line with society's expectations of you and your gender. Roles are a relic of the stone age. We are no longer hunter gatherers and these traditional roles are no longer necessary. They only serve to stifle and inhibit us as individuals. WAKE UP PEOPLE. STOP WATCHING POISONOUS SHOWS LIKE SAO. The melodrama is real As an aside, women biologically tend to be smaller and physically weaker than males of similar age (particularly past puberty). If anything, one could argue that many anime impose unrealistic standards on women, particularly in terms of physical prowess ;) |
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| Yeah pretty much it became a sorta wish fulfillment anime, to a complete wish fulfillment anime. Still that's nothing new and nothing terribly offensive if you ask me. Fanservice is much more offensive technically, but that's just anime for you. SAO might have some stupid stereotyping in it, but that's the least of its problems. I guess we need a general armstrong/riza hawkeye like character in this show though. |
hyperknees91 said: I guess we need a general armstrong/riza hawkeye like character in this show though. You wait and see. Sortiliena, Alice, Quinella, Cardinal... There are some strong and mature females in SAO(I'd even go as far as calling them more interesting story wise than FMAB Armstrong/Hawkeye), just not in this arc. |
| What the actual f***?... Three options: or you are trolling, or you overlooked something and didn't get a point what's is going on, or you are simply moron... |
TapuTapuuSep 7, 2014 10:29 AM
l3eifong said: Excuse, but when in the fuck did OP ever say that?You are being ridiculous. There is no such thing as gender equality even in modern western societies (just look at the general political landscape), Anywayz. Y'all taking the bait so hard it's not even funny. |
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l3eifong said: hyperknees91 said: I guess we need a general armstrong/riza hawkeye like character in this show though. You wait and see. Sortiliena, Alice, Quinella, Cardinal... There are some strong and mature females in SAO(I'd even go as far as calling them more interesting story wise than FMAB Armstrong/Hawkeye), just not in this arc. sounds promising, as long as none of them become harem fodder that is. TC would like claymore me thinks. |
| As usual, MAL never fails to disappoint. |
| Proud founder of The Official Anti-Ging Freecss Fan Club Join now! Kellhus said: GuusWayne said: there is a limit to the suspension of disbelief And it's the fan that did it. Not the smoking porn reading rubik cube genius rape ape with a magic boat. |
Takuan_Soho said: l3eifong said: I'm starting to wonder what your problem really is. Cut him some slack. It is cold and damp living underneath a bridge. Besides no one is as thin skinned and prone to hysteria as a guy who is whining on behalf of women (who I guess he views as being too weak and pathetic to protest on their own if they actually had a grudge). The ultimate irony is that he is far more sexist than SAO. You just won the internet today. |
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