| I am unfamiliar with Sailor Moon. What kind of bullshit was it and how bs was it on the bs scale? Character inconsistency? Or some fundamental universe rules have been broken? I don't think Fate/ will suffer from those. |
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Botato said: I am unfamiliar with Sailor Moon. What kind of bullshit was it and how bs was it on the bs scale? Character inconsistency? Or some fundamental universe rules have been broken? I don't think Fate/ will suffer from those. Character who had to die in a very gruesome way apparently did not die and the whole thing was uber-censored. I can already think of a scene in UBW where Ufotable can fuck up like that. |
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| But UFOtable is not Toei, afaik. |
| Proud founder of The Official Anti-Ging Freecss Fan Club Join now! Kellhus said: GuusWayne said: there is a limit to the suspension of disbelief And it's the fan that did it. Not the smoking porn reading rubik cube genius rape ape with a magic boat. |
Sapewloth said: But UFOtable is not Toei, afaik. I can only hope. |
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| Also, when you think a bit about it, it's pretty easy to understand Toei's decision to censor you-know-who's death considering the show's supposed to be (very) kid-friendly. Something that UFOtable has no reason whatsoever to be concerned about when it comes to Fate/. I think. |
| Proud founder of The Official Anti-Ging Freecss Fan Club Join now! Kellhus said: GuusWayne said: there is a limit to the suspension of disbelief And it's the fan that did it. Not the smoking porn reading rubik cube genius rape ape with a magic boat. |
Sapewloth said: Also, when you think a bit about it, it's pretty easy to understand Toei's decision to censor you-know-who's death considering the show's supposed to be (very) kid-friendly. Something that UFOtable has no reason whatsoever to be concerned about when it comes to Fate/. I think. Except that the show is not supposed to be kid friendly ITs targeted at "grown females who grew up with previous adaptation" One Piece has exact same rating and has way more v iolence, |
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souledge94 said: Not really.The only real detail that is needed is Avalon,but that was already shown in FZ.Why are they flat out ignoring the saber route? Wouldint you need info from that route to do the others? |
souledge94 said: Why are they flat out ignoring the saber route? Wouldint you need info from that route to do the others? Saber character development can be easily added into UBW route, since it still happens there, we just do not get it spelled out. |
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ssjokg said: souledge94 said: Not really.The only real detail that is needed is Avalon,but that was already shown in FZ.Why are they flat out ignoring the saber route? Wouldint you need info from that route to do the others? Also, they will need to give more info about Kirei, Gil, and Ilya before the second half of UBW. "But that was already shown in FZ". |
Zulkir said: ssjokg said: Not really.The only real detail that is needed is Avalon,but that was already shown in FZ. Also, they will need to give more info about Kirei, Gil, and Ilya before the second half of UBW. "But that was already shown in FZ". Kirei and Illya get enough attention in HF, o need to add it in UBW. Gil gets a lot attention in UBW. Only Saber really gets a silent treatment, which is solved by adding some flashbacks and dialogues from fate about her past and spelling out ow she comes to view it. |
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souledge94 said: #bestgirl asides effectively noone thinks Fate is anywhere close to UBW or HF in terms of storytellingssjokg said: Not really.The only real detail that is needed is Avalon,but that was already shown in FZ. I still wish they did a fate route. Even though I enjoyed Deens version I still would have liked to see ufotable take on it since people says deens version was messy. I also like saber more then rin as rin never stuck me as interesting and what from what I read online saber kinda takes a back seat in this one to rin. |
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| Meh, I think it's the fault of DEEN's anime for focusing way too much on the pairing. I mean sure it's Saber's route and all but still <_< Anyway it is unfair to judge that Saber is more interesting than Rin when you've only seen one third of the story (which was butchered too). |
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Fai said: Zulkir said: Also, they will need to give more info about Kirei, Gil, and Ilya before the second half of UBW. "But that was already shown in FZ". Kirei and Illya get enough attention in HF, o need to add it in UBW. Gil gets a lot attention in UBW. Only Saber really gets a silent treatment, which is solved by adding some flashbacks and dialogues from fate about her past and spelling out ow she comes to view it. True, but what I mean is, in the second part of UBW Kirei and Gil just appear out of nowhere as main villains and interact with Ilya, making almost no sense for someone who didn't read Fate. |
souledge94 said: Botato said: Meh, I think it's the fault of DEEN's anime for focusing way too much on the pairing. I mean sure it's Saber's route and all but still <_< Anyway it is unfair to judge that Saber is more interesting than Rin when you've only seen one third of the story (which was butchered too). im just going by all the anime stuff and information from online since I dont want to play the VN. As of now she doesint do much for me. Your argument is invalid as long as you don't play the VN. |
souledge94 said: well then the point still stands, "anime stuff and information from online" is hardly enough to give you a proper view on itBotato said: Meh, I think it's the fault of DEEN's anime for focusing way too much on the pairing. I mean sure it's Saber's route and all but still <_< Anyway it is unfair to judge that Saber is more interesting than Rin when you've only seen one third of the story (which was butchered too). im just going by all the anime stuff and information from online since I dont want to play the VN. As of now she doesint do much for me. |
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HaXXspetten said: souledge94 said: #bestgirl asides effectively noone thinks Fate is anywhere close to UBW or HF in terms of storytellingI still wish they did a fate route. Even though I enjoyed Deens version I still would have liked to see ufotable take on it since people says deens version was messy. I also like saber more then rin as rin never stuck me as interesting and what from what I read online saber kinda takes a back seat in this one to rin. <- such person (btw, Rin is the best) Compared to UBW and HF, Fate lacks in epicness. But in the terms of storytelling, it is totally on par with them, and (in my opinion) overcomes them in terms of genre balance. |
Zulkir said: Fai said: Kirei and Illya get enough attention in HF, o need to add it in UBW. Gil gets a lot attention in UBW. Only Saber really gets a silent treatment, which is solved by adding some flashbacks and dialogues from fate about her past and spelling out ow she comes to view it. True, but what I mean is, in the second part of UBW Kirei and Gil just appear out of nowhere as main villains and interact with Ilya, making almost no sense for someone who didn't read Fate. Kirei and Gil have that "we are the obvious antagonists" aura so it is ok.Only people that watch the remake first will have a problem anyway so who cares... |
ssjokg said: Zulkir said: True, but what I mean is, in the second part of UBW Kirei and Gil just appear out of nowhere as main villains and interact with Ilya, making almost no sense for someone who didn't read Fate. Kirei and Gil have that "we are the obvious antagonists" aura so it is ok.Only people that watch the remake first will have a problem anyway so who cares... I think most of people who will watch this already saw FZ, so Gil and Kirei are obviously villains. If we have newbies, no problem, just tell them go and watch FZ (or play the VN and get spoiled) |
ssjokg said: Zulkir said: True, but what I mean is, in the second part of UBW Kirei and Gil just appear out of nowhere as main villains and interact with Ilya, making almost no sense for someone who didn't read Fate. Kirei and Gil have that "we are the obvious antagonists" aura so it is ok.Only people that watch the remake first will have a problem anyway so who cares... Well, I was actually hoping for an adaptation that can be watched first (DEEN does not count) so that I can finally stop separating people into those who read VNs and those who don't. Seems, my wish will not be granted and I shall not rejoice... |
chickenonthepan said: ssjokg said: Kirei and Gil have that "we are the obvious antagonists" aura so it is ok.Only people that watch the remake first will have a problem anyway so who cares... I think most of people who will watch this already saw FZ, so Gil and Kirei are obviously villains. If we have newbies, no problem, just tell them go and watch FZ (or play the VN and get spoiled) Its the other way around. FZ has too heavy HF spoilers. |
ssjokg said: Zulkir said: True, but what I mean is, in the second part of UBW Kirei and Gil just appear out of nowhere as main villains and interact with Ilya, making almost no sense for someone who didn't read Fate. Kirei and Gil have that "we are the obvious antagonists" aura so it is ok.Only people that watch the remake first will have a problem anyway so who cares... Then again, we see bot as soon as prologue and we have gil show up in prologue so its less of "out of owhere" and more of "oh thats who it was". Its no different than Tsukihime villains. |
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Fai said: ssjokg said: Kirei and Gil have that "we are the obvious antagonists" aura so it is ok.Only people that watch the remake first will have a problem anyway so who cares... Then again, we see bot as soon as prologue and we have gil show up in prologue so its less of "out of owhere" and more of "oh thats who it was". Its no different than Tsukihime villains. Hm, I didn't think about comparing it to Tsukihime. But, it only means that such things are handled better in F/sn. |
souledge94 said: well that'll depend on how the adaptation turns out but most people have faith in ufotable so I'm quite sure it'll be enough to judge bychickenonthepan said: Your argument is invalid as long as you don't play the VN. So after this anime comes out and my thought still hasint changed is my opinion still invalid? |
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souledge94 said: chickenonthepan said: Your argument is invalid as long as you don't play the VN. So after this anime comes out and my thought still hasint changed is my opinion still invalid? Rin's story is split between UBW and HF. Her development in Fate happens in the background. "Interesting" is subjective anyway, but considering Saber isn't really well written compared to Rin, I'd say it's easy to understand why more people find Rin to be more interesting than Saber. Most people I know already fell for Rin after reading the Prologue. Rin is FSN's deuteragonist, or at least the closest one you'll get. |
| Considering this is an ubw adaption I would personally like to see NPs that were either mentioned in the VN itself, side material or other spin offs, like for example Durandal , Dainselef, Gram, Harpe or Houtengeki. At very I would like that the weapons from UBW dont look as plain as in Deens UBW movie. Also I would actually to see |
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souledge94 said: HaXXspetten said: well that'll depend on how the adaptation turns out but most people have faith in ufotable so I'm quite sure it'll be enough to judge by I mainly say this comment since I find it silly to say you cant judge or your not a fan or insert any other negative remark cause "you didint read the VN' if thats the case why even come here since last time I checked this forum isint a VN exclusive thread. If there is an argument about girls and one opinion is based on the original work, and the other on a quite bad adaptation, you either - state that no girl is the best (meaningless) - agree with the first opinion |
Zulkir said: True, but what I mean is, in the second part of UBW Kirei and Gil just appear out of nowhere as main villains and interact with Ilya, making almost no sense for someone who didn't read Fate. Nakata Jouji voice + rather mysterious or outright creepy (arguable) theme song + can't help but smirk everytime he says the name "Emiya" I don't think anyone will be too surprised. |
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StormNA said: You don't even know who Rin is, so you can't judge her. I don't know what's so hard to accept about that. He finds many things hard to accept, if it disagrees with his view. Up until the end, he honestly thought Aoi was a heartless mother who gave away Sakura without hesitation and Kariya had no ulterior motives when he decided to participate in the war to win the Grail. Yeah... |
HeisenDurden said: Zulkir said: True, but what I mean is, in the second part of UBW Kirei and Gil just appear out of nowhere as main villains and interact with Ilya, making almost no sense for someone who didn't read Fate. Nakata Jouji voice + rather mysterious or outright creepy (arguable) theme song + can't help but smirk everytime he says the name "Emiya" I don't think anyone will be too surprised. Hehe, the fact that Kirei is a villain can be guessed even before Shirou meets him in person. But the things like who they are and why they do what they do are explained well in Fate, and almost completely omitted (for redundancy) in UBW. And that's what I'm afraid of in skipping Fate. And also don't forget about Ilya, who totally deserves Fate memories before making her second appearence in UBW. But well, ufotable can somehow show the characters throughout the story more and that can solve the problem. |
Zulkir said: But the things like who they are and why they do what they do are explained well in Fate, and almost completely omitted (for redundancy) in UBW. And that's what I'm afraid of in skipping Fate. And also don't forget about Ilya, who totally deserves Fate memories before making her second appearence in UBW. But well, ufotable can somehow show the characters throughout the story more and that can solve the problem. Gil's reasons for using the Grail are actually elaborated in UBW, but the rest is true I guess. I don't think Ilya will have much more screen time though. Her flashback with Berserker is for the moment enough. She'll get her deserved time in HF. Hopefully. |
| Rin gets that in the prologue. Shirou the same plus in each route. Kirei is split in 3 in the routes,but HF and UBW are enough. Sakura in HF obviously. Gil and Ilya as C-core said. There is no real problem there.Unless if ufotable just doesnt care. |
souledge94 said: This has gone out of hand <_<Thats just silly imo. I should just bow out cause I dont wanna sit through a VN. I mean if hardcore VN have a problem with this then there are other forums out there.Again this forum is not VN exclusive. Its suppose to be for those who like the series in geniral. What I meant to say: Fate/ Stay Night is Fate, UBW and HF. You have only seen Fate, which a) Focuses on Saber more (since it's her route). b) Due to being a shitty adaptation it focused on Saber more than it was supposed to. c) Because of a and b, Rin is somewhat neglected in DEEN's anime. Now with that in mind, you're following comment souledge94 said: I also like saber more then rin as rin never stuck me as interesting and what from what I read online saber kinda takes a back seat in this one to rin. Is invalid. Why? Because a) You're basing your judgement on only 1/3rd of the whole thing, which was butchered. b) Fate is not where Rin shines, but it's where Saber has most of her moments. And even then DEEN managed to make things worse for Rin. Also there's no need to worry about Saber taking a back seat in UBW because you don't like Rin since UBW should make you like her. |
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| WHo the hell cares? Badass dog Lancer will finally shine.Everything else are of no importance. |
ssjokg said: WHo the hell cares? Badass dog Lancer will finally shine.Everything else are of no importance. UBW = Cu Chulainn route? |
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Botato said: b) Fate is not where Rin shines I disagree. |
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| Most of people will fall in love with Rin inf irst episode(prologue) alone. antonn said: Botato said: b) Fate is not where Rin shines I disagree. even that looks awful in deenfsn. |
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LastChapter said: Or the random ass little boy Kiritsugu saved.I actually wonder how F/Z only anime watchers feel seeing a "minor character" like Rin all grown up now. |
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ssjokg said: Or that little purple-haired kid that was stuck in a cave full of nasty ass worms.LastChapter said: Or the random ass little boy Kiritsugu saved.I actually wonder how F/Z only anime watchers feel seeing a "minor character" like Rin all grown up now. |
| Proud founder of The Official Anti-Ging Freecss Fan Club Join now! Kellhus said: GuusWayne said: there is a limit to the suspension of disbelief And it's the fan that did it. Not the smoking porn reading rubik cube genius rape ape with a magic boat. |
ssjokg said: can't even make a breast joke about thatHow exactly was she well developed in FZ? |
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