| http://www.theguardian.com/music/2014/mar/06/pussy-riot-members-attacked-green-paint-rubbish And here is the video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_Xnf5bDBTg When the government does BS, at least you can say that most if not ALL governments are corrupt fuckers.....but how bad have things become when the citizens of a particular country are acting upon the BS that the government is promoting? And with the ongoing Ukraine crisis, it seems Russia right now is the center of the world's news.....and not in a good way. |
| Not a big deal really people get attacked all the time where I live in ldn, most of the time for no reason at all. |
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| these women are fucking dumb anyway.. but yeah Russians hate them. fyi they were attacked and punched multiple times prior to that. |
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| The Cossacks did a better job. http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/multimedia/archive/00525/PUSSY_RIOT_WHIPPED-_525617a.jpg |
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Sourire said: these women are fucking dumb anyway.. but yeah Russians hate them. I definitely don't agree with everything they've got to say and the way they say those things. But there's no need to viciously attack them in that manner. BTW, for people that don't know why I said "Again" in the title....here's what happened to them during the Olympics: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFrZfluKDrc |
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| What I don't is, why is everybody watching without doing something? pussies |
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JustALEX said: Sourire said: these women are fucking dumb anyway.. but yeah Russians hate them. I definitely don't agree with everything they've got to say and the way they say those things. But there's no need to viciously attack them in that manner. there's no need to attack them, but guess what? they do. nobody should take safety for granted. here in america feminists are protected under social contract, agreed upon by the men too that they have the legal right to peaceful protest and whatnot. yet they think the patriarchy is crushing them lol. the women in russia should understand that there is no such social contract there (i dont think there is anyway). unless they want to get beaten on purpose to gain sympathy from the world/approach this in a gandhian manner. those women were attacked in a mcdonald's, and nobody tried to do anything to help the women. many rusians dont seem fond of this way of thinking, so maybe they are in fact better off moving to america |
| Whats funny is Africa and Asia for the most seem supportive of the current events in Russia, also of note these are the only places populations are growing. The Western nations might want to be careful promoting its own views in the not so far off future. Also Capt America up above, Russia has had equal sufferage laws since the days of the founding of the USSR, the USSR did put the first woman into space afterall. However women have tended to be the backroom dealers than up front officals for the last 70 years in high offices. In general the Russians however don't believe in the right to protest toward some subjects and icons, such as the Orthidox chruch, and the cossacks in praticular are a race of people that do not obey the law so much as a concept of justice. The police often let the cossacks do as they will as it often supports the state. So in general you can protest in Russia, be it a man or woman. But if you go against the status quo, or disrupt how everyone lives, well, you'll get your ass beaten down. Which makes sense. You can stand up for anything in Russia. Just be aware others might stand on you. In fact if thats not democratic at its fullest, I don't know what is. |
RedArmyShogunMar 7, 2014 7:45 AM
RedArmyShogun said: So in general you can protest in Russia, be it a man or woman. But if you go against the status quo, or disrupt how everyone lives, well, you'll get your ass beaten down. Which makes sense. You can stand up for anything in Russia. Just be aware others might stand on you. that's what i was trying to say i worded it wron. russia's civil rights situation has been deemed unsaitsfactory by many , and as far as i know there is little oversignt over all of this there do you even live in russia though. does anybody do anything about all of these events |
RandomChampionMar 7, 2014 8:43 AM
| Ah I see. Ehh its a bit complicated in that issue. As Putin or the Chinese put it "This is our peoples understanding and way of democracy" For instance in the US the State generally is wanted to be kept at bay, in the East its wanted to have as much control and be as strong as possible, in Europe they could care less as long as they can dress fancy. As to Russia, no I don't live there, but I studied them in great detail, been there a couple of times and I trained alongside a few of their people, I used to be able to speak a great deal of Russian, I can still translate its writing however, though not as well as when it was in use, and I had more interactions with them in my country than vise versa. In general however to answer you, mind you I minus a few civil interactions, only had professional dealings with the Russian people, luckly Russians get drunk or are normally pretty open in a closed setting emotionally, but they generally want these things. A good economy, a strong large population, and a strong state, that is seen equally by other nations. Russians can also be a bit greedy I've noticed, but are generally friendly and brotherly, though recent events post soviet collapse has left the country with a bit of sorrow. Most of them also see the west as a a friend that wants to be its enemy. Most Russians Love people from pretty much anywhere, so long as you don't disrupt Russia, however they don't like most governments. The Younger Urbanites tend to graviate towards western views on democracy, but they are by and large a devided minority. The collapse of the USSR and its aftermath was not rememberd fondly by the russian people. So in general, and with the color revolts of the east, while there is sympathy, or apathy toward the plights of those like pussy riot, its as they see them as a threat to stability, which russians value over anything else, given tis long turbelant history. While the activist might have scored some points, when you deface churches, or historical icons, the Russians can hold long standing grudges. More so if they see all you want to do is crush the state and stability. Its not a matter of right and wrong, so much as a matter of perspective. Long story short, what happens to some of these groups is seen as being deserved. And if not for respect of law, would be worse. Note that none of these activist have been killed, and its not as there is a shortage of arms in Russia, Russia has a histroically strong arm society, tow the line or get your ass beaten, even its Army operates in this manner. Put it like this in the US Back in the 90's Early 2000's when this one fellow went around blowing up abortion clenics in the South, the locals mostly seen him as a hero, the North as a villian, because of popular support, he evaded capture for years untill they caught him in the mountains of North Carolina. Or take in to account the protest sweeping France in count of its new pro homosexual laws. I doubt in either of those cases either side thinks they are wrong, and would say in general what people thinks is wrong is no doubt leading the nation to hell. If I am wrong on this we have plenty of Russian posters here, that can correct me, as I said my dealings were mostly on a limited end with the Russian society, naturally military circles tend to be pro order and nationally. Edit for typo's typo's everywhere. |
RedArmyShogunMar 7, 2014 9:47 AM
RedArmyShogun said: Ah I see. Ehh its a bit complicated in that issue. As Putin or the Chinese put it "This is our peoples understanding and way of democracy" For instance in the US the State generally is wanted to be kept at bay, in the East its wanted to have as much control and be as strong as possible, in Europe they could care less as long as they can dress fancy. As to Russia, no I don't live there, alot of people assume I do though, but I studied them in great detail, been there a couple of times and I trained alongside a few of their people, I used to be able to speak a great deal of Russian, I can still translate its writing however, though not as well as when it was in use, and I had more interactions with them in my country than vise versa. In general however to answer you, mind you I minus a few civil interactions, only had professional dealings with the Russian people, luckly Russians get drunk or are normally pretty open in a closed setting emotionally, but they generally want these things. A good economy, a strong large population, and a strong state, that is seen equally by other nations. Russians can also be a bit greedy I've noticed, but are generally friendly and brotherly, though recent events post soviet collapse has left the country with a bit of sorrow. Most of them also see the west as a a friend that wants to be its enemy. Most Russians Love people from pretty much anywhere, so long as you don't disrupt Russia, however they don't like most governments. The Younger Urbanites tend to graviate towards western views on democracy, but they are by and large a devided minority. The collapse of the USSR and its aftermath was not rememberd fondly by the russian people. So in general, and with the color revolts of the east, while there is sympathy, or apathy toward the plights of those like pussy riot, its as they see them as a threat to stability, which russians value over anything else, given tis long turbelant history. While the activist might have scored some points, when you deface churches, or historical icons, the Russians can hold long standing grudges. More so if they see all you want to do is crush the state and stability. Its not a matter of right and wrong, so much as a matter of perspective. Long story short, what happens to some of these groups is seen as being deserved. And if not for respect of law, would be worse. Note that none of these activist have been killed, and its not as there is a shortage of arms in Russia, Russia has a histroically strong arm society, tow the line or get your ass beaten, even its Army operates in this manner. Put it like this in the US Back inthe 90's Early 2000's when this one fellow went around blowing up abortion clenics in the South, the locals mostly seen him as a hero, the North as a villian, because of popular support, he evaded capture for years untill they caught him in the mountains of North Carolina. Or take in to account the protest sweeping France in count of its new pro homosexual laws. I doubt in either of those cases either side thinks they are wrong, and would say in general what people thinks is wrong is no doubt leading the nation to hell. If I am wrong on this we have plenty of Russian posters here, that can correct me, as I said my dealings were mostly on a limited end with the Russian society, naturally military circles tend to be pro order and nationally. Edit for typo's typo's everywhere. I agree with you that that's exactly how a democracy is. However, many principles regarding civil rights have nothing to do with democracy and are more compatible with republics (republic = there is restraint on the government, and certain rights cannot be taken away regardless of what the government; which, in a democracy, is the majority; wants). I'm not saying that there's anything inherently wrong with the way things are run in Russia or anywhere for that matter. What I am saying is that when it comes to the proposition of maintaining certain rights for all people, the type of government/society does come into play. Ex - In Russia it is contradictory to draft a constitution in which each citizen has inalienable rights and then have the government/people act in certain ways. If you want a strong state that can do anything, then you cant have inalienable rights really. I actually know a lot of Russian and Eastern European immigrants and grew up with them since I'm from NYC where they all live lol. I know what theyre like generally. I dont think theyre assholes, they are just straightforward, which i prefer anyway. All I was saying is that when you say "they are OK with you as long as you dont disrupt Russia", that basically means that minorities cant really get away with protesting despite what the Russian constitution says. Again, i agree with you regarding the persepectives. f i were a woman in Russia, i would not take to the streets and try to peacefully protest because of what I know of both the society and the government - Russian societ is not American, Canadian, etc society. I dont expect everybody in the world to follow American society , which is why i said that those woman would probably be better off moving to America |
| Well see thats the thing, it IS democracy in action, Russia is also a Federation and not a Repbulic, and New York ehh? Was there once, strange city, never want to see it again lol. No offense meant. In general however going with the topic, no most do not care, they want no disruptions if they can have that. However the Law where its not mismatched will act to protect those protestors, for the most part at least. But if the odds arn't on their side, or a Cossack is involved they won't jump in. The Russian government allows protests, however the socity has other things to say and the laws clearly state is has to be by such and such regulations. I mean those girls in both recent cases wern't beaten down by the Army or police, but Cossacks and Civilians, the former of which is fine turning his whip on policemen. Think of them as Samurai with some government sanctioning. To answer your statement however, Yes Pussy Riot would be better off in North and part of Western Europe or America, the question that remains to be seen is which societal model is better. Not in terms of "happiness" which can't be meassured, but in terms of long term survival and stability. Which I think both systems fail in some manner. A middle ground would be better, but that remains to be seen. |
RedArmyShogun said: Well see thats the thing, it IS democracy in action, Russia is also a Federation and not a Repbulic, and New York ehh? Was there once, strange city, never want to see it again lol. No offense meant. In general however going with the topic, no most do not care, they want no disruptions if they can have that. However the Law where its not mismatched will act to protect those protestors, for the most part at least. But if the odds arn't on their side, or a Cossack is involved they won't jump in. The Russian government allows protests, however the socity has other things to say and the laws clearly state is has to be by such and such regulations. I mean those girls in both recent cases wern't beaten down by the Army or police, but Cossacks and Civilians, the former of which is fine turning his whip on policemen. Think of them as Samurai with some government sanctioning. To answer your statement however, Yes Pussy Riot would be better off in North and part of Western Europe or America, the question that remains to be seen is which societal model is better. Not in terms of "happiness" which can't be meassured, but in terms of long term survival and stability. Which I think both systems fail in some manner. A middle ground would be better, but that remains to be seen. RedArmyShogun said: Well see thats the thing, it IS democracy in action, Russia is also a Federation and not a Repbulic, and New York ehh? Was there once, strange city, never want to see it again lol. No offense meant. In general however going with the topic, no most do not care, they want no disruptions if they can have that. However the Law where its not mismatched will act to protect those protestors, for the most part at least. But if the odds arn't on their side, or a Cossack is involved they won't jump in. The Russian government allows protests, however the socity has other things to say and the laws clearly state is has to be by such and such regulations. I mean those girls in both recent cases wern't beaten down by the Army or police, but Cossacks and Civilians, the former of which is fine turning his whip on policemen. Think of them as Samurai with some government sanctioning. To answer your statement however, Yes Pussy Riot would be better off in North and part of Western Europe or America, the question that remains to be seen is which societal model is better. Not in terms of "happiness" which can't be meassured, but in terms of long term survival and stability. Which I think both systems fail in some manner. A middle ground would be better, but that remains to be seen. Yea that's what I'm saying - this topic was made to criticize what happened in Russia. All I was saying is that the societies are different. The objective of American society is not to last as long as possible. The objective of American society is to allow people to live how they want to live in accordance with some tenets regarding certain rights deemed as "natural" yea many people who visit new york (mainly canadians though) say that nyc is like a third world country. it kind of sucks, but the one thing it cannot be beaten inis food lol |
| lol multi quote fail ftw. Ah I see. Too bad even among Americans thats not set in stone what that means, makes for neat political news and riots however lulz. Ironically it was a Canadian Pilot that gave me a list of warnings and precautions to take. Didn't get to sample any of the food, saddly, I wanted to get one of those New Yorker style pizza's. I always thought the way the cops and firemen talked in films was a stereotype untill I ran into a few of them, kinda amussing how all of them had the same mustache too. I was like "lol wut." In general everyone seemed busy and the glow the lights gave off at night was creepy, like the sky was on fire. People were more helpful than I expected, though something that I witnessed while I was there gave me a lasting bad impression on the area, that made me happy to leave. But yeah getting off topic there. But on topic yes, they would be better off not In Russia. Russia is a great country, but it does things its own way, and simply put, they don't belong. Then again I can't think of a single country where anyone can live anyway they want A-okay. Go to the US and protest in favor of pedophillia, see how log till someone beats you down in private. Though in fairness that does deserve a beating. |
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RedArmyShogun said: lol multi quote fail ftw. Ah I see. Too bad even among Americans thats not set in stone what that means, makes for neat political news and riots however lulz. Ironically it was a Canadian Pilot that gave me a list of warnings and precautions to take. Didn't get to sample any of the food, saddly, I wanted to get one of those New Yorker style pizza's. I always thought the way the cops and firemen talked in films was a stereotype untill I ran into a few of them, kinda amussing how all of them had the same mustache too. I was like "lol wut." In general everyone seemed busy and the glow the lights gave off at night was creepy, like the sky was on fire. People were more helpful than I expected, though something that I witnessed while I was there gave me a lasting bad impression on the area, that made me happy to leave. But yeah getting off topic there. But on topic yes, they would be better off not In Russia. Russia is a great country, but it does things its own way, and simply put, they don't belong. Then again I can't think of a single country where anyone can live anyway they want A-okay. Go to the US and protest in favor of pedophillia, see how log till someone beats you down in private. Though in fairness that does deserve a beating. The best food in nyc is in queens anyway, and i doubt you went there since it's kind of ghetto compared to manhattan lol if you protest for pedophilia , even if youre beaten (i cant think of many places where you would), youll have the Law on your side and probably could uphold justice of freedom of speech. |
| either get them out of the country and put them in jail. What they did in the church deserved a jail sentence. In Germany, if you run around naked in a church defiling the ground you get put into jail, too. idiots...JustALEX don't even try to meddle with Russian affairs. Just offer Pussy Riot a shelter or invite them to dinner. Get them the hell out of Russia, please. Democracy = People reign...and obviously people love Putin and hate Pussy Riot -> get out! |
PhoslaneMar 9, 2014 4:54 AM
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| You really hate Russia, eh? |
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zoknimano said: They like to demonize anyone who goes against the liberal agenda.You really hate Russia, eh? |
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zoknimano said: You really hate Russia, eh? I'm going to tell you something which you may or may not know.... On this site along with any other site where politics are discussed, I criticize the US government a whole lot more than any other country....the ratio is not even close compared to how much I criticize the U.S over Russia. And guess what.....I'm American, and I live in America. |
| Russia keepin' it real like usual. |
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| Again, it seems that people in the West are getting a bit different perspective on what Pussy Riot actually is. They're being presented as a rather popular russian punk band that's getting unfairly persecuted by the evil government and the citizen brainwashed by propaganda. While in fact, there was no Pussy Riot band prior to the first incident in the cathedral. It was their first ever "performance". Nobody have ever heard of a band named Pussy Riot, although its members were quite well known in the russian internet space for their participation in group sex orgies in public places (even while being 8-month pregnant). Go figure. They used to be sluts, and suddenly they're a "band" and "human rights activists". Dunno how how to you guys, but to me, something certainly doesn't add up. Just google something like "pussy riot зоологический музей" and check images. (18+ ) |
seishi-samaMar 10, 2014 2:19 AM
| Russia has always been demonized in the past by the West. And with the Current Economic problems it faces, why not make a new enemy to fight? |
AfroRocker said: Fuckin pussies *slow clap* |
| Im sorry to say this but Pussy Riot are really not to smart in my book i mean if you go and play tricks in church of highly religious bunch as Russians what can you except than being hatted.It's all good standing for your rights and fighting tyranny but there are better and safer ways to do so. |
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