Hunter x Hunter (2011) Episode 116 Discussion

Dangerr said:

It really isn't out of character - this has always been a side of Gon. Due to a combination of his natural personality and him still being a child, he hasn't really fully integrated the values and morality of society into his being yet. As far as Gon is concerned, while he dislikes blatant evil acts and unjust behavior, he won't typically go out of his way to try bringing justice to those individuals he finds distaste with. Unless, of course, its him or his friends you've messed with; then its personal. Whether or not you agree on the anime's effectiveness in portraying it, Kite was someone Gon deeply confided in and admired - someone probably as or nearly important to him as Killua or his Aunt Mito. His emotional investiture on that level is sparing, but when its pushed to its limits, it's what you saw in this episode. The most important thing to mention regarding why his rage is so profound, however, is the notion that he blames himself for what happened to Kite - that he knew he was powerless to stop it, and in his eyes, was even the cause for Kite's guard being lowered to warn them of the attack. Given Gon's deeply self-confident and highly emotional nature, this hatred is magnified both towards himself and Pitou.

There's also been plenty of precedent in his latent, deviant behavior; befriending Killua, the whole fight with Genthru, and his visible, slow buildup of anticipatory rage in the last 20 or so episodes have all given hints to this.

Emiloo12 said:

Nope you aren't wrong, there were a couple new tracks in there. Really awesome tracks I might add.

Shaduge said:
pointless episode, like the previous ones, also his baby voice didn't suit the aura at all

tsudecimo said:

Yeah but Gon doesn't seem to remember that or express that it was an important part/event in his life. I don't think the fact that he saved his life makes him that important. He is showing a rage that is more befitting for someone that lost a very significant thing in his life, that made me him do a 180 turn.

Greyhoundz said:

Like i said before the reason for this rage was because Kite is important to Gon, a guy who saves Gon from getting killed, telling him that his Father is alive, giving him his dad's license and explain some info about what is a Hunter. So pretty much Gon owes Kite a lot he wouldn't been a hunter if not for Kite in the first place.

No you seem to keep on missing the point. Gon's crazy rage this episode didn't really have much to do with Kite, or the fact Kite was important to him or what not. In the beginning his rage was 'normal" (for Kite!). His rage only went over the chart when he didn't get the response he was expecting. Gon, the ever strong willed, stubborn simplistic mind, was expecting: 1) announce his presense 2) Pitou acknowledge him 3) FIGHT. Instead he got an ambiguous, complex situation that demanded him to suppress his raw anger.

Worst, the 'enemy' is behavior like a victim, and is playing a protecting role. He can't fathom such role reversal and how dared the enemy has double standard and is bargaining with him.

He's tormented and in shock by his inability to strike, and to him. His rage and readiness for revenge has no outlet, that's what boiled his anger even more and made him lashes out at Killua and everything else.

Gon has never given a difficult choice like this in his life. He kept yelling 'but this is UNFAIR!!" "UNFAIR!!". His simplistic world where he used to trust his instinct and unconditional trust is being challenged here.

ALL of this added up to why Gon is in rage and blinded to reason. Not "how Kite was important to him" alone. You're ignoring every factor that built up to the rather icky situation and keep focusing on 'Kite'. Kite was just the initial premises, but what ignite the rage was how the confrontation unfold in ways unsatisfying and frustrating to Gon. Killua being all calm and controlled irked Gon too of course.

m4shir0 said:
this episode sucked bad. Its pace was DB-like. Fucking lame.

Edit: the comments here are hilarious. I guess other anime are even more disappointing these days. Well, it's got to be exciting for 15yo

demisex said:
Most intense episode of anime I've ever seen that didn't include fighting. Gfg.

xieghart said:


True, Kite is someone significant to Gon, but the story doesn't stop there. I think kcaco explained it the way I think it was meant to convey.

tsudecimo said:
Great episode, hadn't watched a good one since episode 108. 4/5. Killua was too perceptive again in this episode, it felt forced. But his calm demeanor through all these crazy unforeseen situations is interesting to see. He feels a bit conflicted about Gon and sincerely worried and/or he is probably have the leaving Gon thing on his mind, he seems somewhat absent minded considering the stuff that are happening around him.

Gon's character really doesn't make sense to me, at all. His rage, mentally un-stability and explosion of emotions in this episode left me baffled and puzzled. He feels like a different character all together or a bi-polar character. I can't gasp his thought process through this arc. Why is Kite that important to him? I never saw him rage that much regarding other people that are close to him. His fixation on Kite doesn't really make sense, unless I'm forgetting something regarding their relationship.

Not gonna raise my expectations but I hope the show keeps getting better from here.



And how many episodes till the end of this arc?

kcaco said:


No I and many people really do not see 'boob'.

Take a look at this where it shows Pitou without clothes:
http://www.citymanga.com/hunter_x_hunter/chapter-267/16/

Flat chest. No boob.

Pitou is Pitou, a frightening royal guard. Not some 'cute girl' where you insisted in your pink bubble and attribute annoying creepy gender stereotypes and attitude.

Rendio said:


I'm just gonna question your opinion before even trying to go into explaining it, as it does not look like you thought very much about what you're saying about Gon not raging this much before;

Did anyone remotely as close to Gon as Kite (whom has been his fathers student, been traveling with Gon for a good while and has told him many stories of his father) ever die? Has he then ever seen any of these people being used as a twisted kind of combat doll, sewed togheter after being dismembered? I say no to both.

Please answer those questions, and prove me wrong; otherwise I see no point in what you wrote.

NB: You've probably gotten a lot of answers already, but this is as far as I got into the thread.

And for the episode: storytelling, animation and soundtracks at it's absolute best. 10000/5.

pkKodama said:

Gon: That bastard cares for his friend and yet kills other people, I can't forgive him
Me: Oh, so that's how the MC of this series thinks? That's unusual but ok
Gon: I don't give a fuck about these scum who don't even care about their friends
Kaito: Then what would happen if they did care about their friends?
Me: So that's how he thinks now, character development? Ok...
Gon: Why are you only thinking of her!? After doing such a horrible thing to Kaito!!!
Me: Wtf?

Vanser said:
I will never understand people who care about Pitou's gender. It changes absolutely nothing about the story if Pitou is a she or a he.

judals said:


So they are either hypocrites or cold-blooded killers, and he resents them either way, how is that confusing to you? See, it seems you're still stuck in a black and white mentality.
That particular scene foreshadowed how his feelings would be amplified if they DID care about each other.
Do I need to remind you that at first he told him to step away from Komuga, as in to save her from him?

judals said:

That particular scene foreshadowed how his feelings would be amplified if they DID care about each other.

judals said:
When someone claims he seems something as incoherent, I see that as a problem with the viewer, not the series.
So you don't understand.

Gon himself cares about Killua, nobody said he's a pro-serial killer activist or he's a serial killer himself. He's against killers in general. He was pissed at Genthru for killing all the players.

The thing is that he sees these killers as heartless, that doesn't mean he sympathizes with them. It means he's just indifferent toward them. He'd just deal with them if they in his way. As stated by his initial thoughts on the troupe, how he claimed to deal with Leol's ants, and how he claimed he'd kill Meleoron easily if he turned out to be just another one of these. He's ok with their deaths.

So he'd just deal with them with no thoughts at all.
The real conflict, are these who DO care, he just can't deal with them simply, I'm gonna use the term "butthurt", because it really gets to him, especially now since Kite was the victim.

So he never changed his "principle" if he had any. His resentment toward the likes of Nobunaga and Pitou do not conflict with the likes of the Armadillo ant/Rhino, it's just that you think he's "ok" with killers which is not really the case.


Edit: tl;dr: The contradiction comes from your misinterpretation of the situation that Gon is fine with people who ARE killers. He's not cheering for them, but he's not as emotional about them as hypocrites like Nobunaga.

judals said:
Now you're being evasive. I actually thought it was ironic you posted it seconds before my post which conveniently replied to it.

It seems that you're just trying to stir some discussion here for some reason. (arguing for the sake of arguing) First the gender, now this. You deny the points given to you anyway.

any answer you write will be unrelated to my point and won't make any sense at all, unless you actually agree with me

feel like you're not "losing"

judals said:
1)Gon was angry with the ants because he didn't approve how they don't care about each other
2)he didn't mind when Kaito killed all of them

which one is it?
He wasn't really "angry" as he was with Nobunaga. They are scum. That's what he thought. That's why he did not care when Kite killed them. They were heartless. Again I say that just because he hated hypocritical nobunaga so much does NOT mean he's okay with, say, regular, heartless killers. Conversely, that is not to say he is some white knight. He is messed up as well.
His anger was not for their love toward another, but their selective care toward certain people while mercilessly killing the rest.

Another thing you're missing out: Gon is changing. (as in character development), compare the scene with Nobunaga and Pitou, essentially the same, but it's much stronger now... he ran away from Nobunaga, he was angry and curious as to why they'd do that, but at the end of the day it was just something that irritated him. He didn't go back for revenge, he didn't even want his friend to go down that road. Now, he's not seeing clearly, he's raging, and I think he might actually kill Pitou, because it's gotten personal.

There are types of people who, when enrage, can do things they wouldn't normally do (no shit sherlock@me), they would forget themselves. So in a way, Gon is indeed being hypocritical now. At this moment.
Another thing I'd like to bring is the first episode: Gon himself said that "if you want to know someone, learn what makes them angry".


To simplify it for you: He doesn't like *killers*, but he really really hates killers who care about friends.




See. All your arguments on this forum are rhetorical, trying to prove something to yourself rather than make a discussion.



You would not have written that if that was not how you feel.

Rendio said:


How the hell does your logic work?

Rendio said:
pkKodama, I have no freaking clue about what you're talking about. She's an ant that has done some serious genocides in several villages, dismembered his friend and put him back as a lifeless doll.

How the hell does your logic work?

LooQ said:
Anyone knows how's the ost called that plays in 10:35?(When neferpitou asks Gon to wait, and he freecss out.)

judals said:


Not sure but I think it's "Old man crucified" from the Last Mission ost