Azamat said: DarK_LiGhT said: You obviously didnt check the last threads because I gave my proof, ether u didnt seem to have noticed or maby u just didnt bother, am guessing that u like to read so il post the link again just or you [url=http://www.geocities.com/athens/aegean/8830/mathproofcreat.html]http://www.geocities.com/athens/aegean/8830/mathproofcreat.html I can't believe this hypocrite, you decry the accuracy of Wikipedia, whilst you trust some random HTML address related to "Geocities.com" to be accurate? If you have any questions regarding science, you should direct them here: Evolution and Natural Selection: http://www.richarddawkins.net/forum/viewforum.php?f=4 General Science Discussion http://www.richarddawkins.net/forum/viewforum.php?f=5 DarK_LiGhT said: Baman said: Dangerous? Whatever do you mean? There is indeed, no purpose in life other than what all animals have, that is, surviving and reproducing. I guess that tells me enough about u to know that u have taken ur desires for a god, there is more to life than sex my freind, I asure u ^^ Nice way of taking something out of context. -.-' He also told you "If someone want a meaning to their existence, then they should find one for themselves, not just adopt one from a religion. That would be lazy." (I agree with Bamans statement btw). Woah dude, where did you come from, calling me a hypocrite out of nowhere, I have nothing against ppl doing what they want, am not arguing for any religion or faith, all I said was that there must be a higher intelligence at work instead of chance or luck in the creation of our world and everything in it and outside of it, who would have thought everyone would jump at me on small statment, you all have your beliefs and I respect them, you dont believe no creator then so be it, in the end, time will tell who is right and who is wrong, as for now, well lets just get back to anime, if I wanted to debate I would have gone to youtube, I think iv made enough enemies on one thread, thank you all and goodbye ^^ |
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Sin said: Make that Nihilism with elements of light hedonistic utilitarianism and I'll agree to that.Hence, hedonistic utilitarianism. antitype said: Silly does not exclude fun does it? If we were talking about /b, I'd agree of course, but MAL has not devolved into such mindless trolling yet.Here on MAL? Mostly, yeah. Arguing about religion with a bunch of people on some internet forums, especially anime forums, is really quite silly. DarK_LiGhT said: People who go by science usually don't like it when people say things like that without proof. You are entitled to your opinion, and can freely chose whether to base this on wishful thinking or observations of reality, but you should also be prepared to defend your belief.all I said was that there must be a higher intelligence at work instead of chance or luck in the creation of our world and everything in it and outside of it, who would have thought everyone would jump at me on small statment DarK_LiGhT said: I hardly think anyone regards you as an enemy just because you are on the opposing side in a discussion. That would be unsporting.you all have your beliefs and I respect them, you dont believe no creator then so be it, in the end, time will tell who is right and who is wrong, as for now, well lets just get back to anime, if I wanted to debate I would have gone to youtube, I think iv made enough enemies on one thread, thank you all and goodbye ^^ |
| I merely commented on the way you trust some random creationist html article to be a valid source of information when it is not. (That's the kind of nonsense you usually find searching google btw) And if i recall this straight; You certainly decried Wikipedia further back in this thread. DarK_LiGhT said: oh and please dont give me wikipedia as back up of ur proof, any logical person knows that wikipedia is mostly full of crap. + I agree with tr1ggers4d's reply. tr1ggers4d said: Any logical person would also know that wikipedia is one of the most accurate and reliable sources of information, especially when it comes to more important and popular ideas, people, concepts and the such. I believe "Non sequitir" falls under this category as well. |
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| People are picking on DarK_LiGhT because not only is that mix of caps and lower case ridiculous (and should have served as a warning to everyone who started a discussion with him), but people also are taken aback at how poor his argument is. Directly at DarK_LiGhT: I think if you had explained what you believed and left it at that you may have scraped away from people like Triggers McArguer. But claiming you are right and offering up really poorly constructed arguments/evidence as "proof" makes some people rage. |
selective_yellow said: People are picking on DarK_LiGhT because not only is that mix of caps and lower case ridiculous (and should have served as a warning to everyone who started a discussion with him), but people also are taken aback at how poor his argument is. If I knew before hand that It was going to be ten against one, I asure you that I wouldn't have continued on with this thread, and do forgive me, I didnt know that small typo's were something Important when debating, you obviously had nothing to point at expect how ridiculous my writing is, once again I hope u forgive this young fool if his focus was only on the discussion and not the small typo's that he made, though I would like to say that I found it quite funny how some users would pop out of nowhere and throw there insult's and try to degrade people who are are debating just to show there support for the other users, if you felt that badly about what I said, then why didnt you join in instead of throwing insolent comments that had nothing to do with the discussion. |
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DarK_LiGhT said: then why didnt you join in instead of throwing insolent comments that had nothing to do with the discussion. I don't see any. |
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selective_yellow said: But claiming you are right and offering up really poorly constructed arguments/evidence as "proof" makes some people rage. Uh- huh, yeah, you're the atheist on MAL, and you are raging... 2/10 for jarring self- absorbedness. |
DozerFeb 4, 2009 11:13 AM
| Er, what? Yeah, 'cause atheists are just FOAMING AT THE MOUTH, RAAAAAAAGE |
antitype said: Er, what? Yeah, 'cause atheists are just FOAMING AT THE MOUTH, RAAAAAAAGE Of course they are. I don't know why Dozer is trying to insult a fellow atheist though. |
Drunk_Samurai said: antitype said: Er, what? Yeah, 'cause atheists are just FOAMING AT THE MOUTH, RAAAAAAAGE Of course they are. I don't know why Dozer is trying to insult a fellow atheist though. Shhh, don't do that, let him believe for a while that he made a point. |
| The theists can rage all they want over their own inability to conjure proof and use proper arguments. Dozer said: 2/10 for using scores instead of proper arguments :)Uh- huh, yeah, you're the atheist on MAL, and you are raging... 2/10 for jarring self- absorbedness. ... Oh shi- |
| Scores and ratings are apparently more important than actual thoughts and ideas here on MAL. |
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Baman said: The theists can rage all they want over their own inability to conjure proof and use proper arguments. Dozer said: 2/10 for using scores instead of proper arguments :)Uh- huh, yeah, you're the atheist on MAL, and you are raging... 2/10 for jarring self- absorbedness. ... Oh shi- MAL is a cesspool for atheists. Only theist's have the right to rage on this site. |
| I'm agnostic.... to beleive in a god is okay but to beleive/be tied down by a religion is a stupid move for me. |
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Dozer said: Baman said: The theists can rage all they want over their own inability to conjure proof and use proper arguments. Dozer said: 2/10 for using scores instead of proper arguments :)Uh- huh, yeah, you're the atheist on MAL, and you are raging... 2/10 for jarring self- absorbedness. ... Oh shi- MAL is a cesspool for atheists. Only theist's have the right to rage on this site. As far as I know, it's a cesspool for Christians and Muslims, Catholics come second, and Atheists are third. But hey, who am I to state the numbers, right? |
Chavez said: Dozer said: Baman said: The theists can rage all they want over their own inability to conjure proof and use proper arguments. Dozer said: 2/10 for using scores instead of proper arguments :)Uh- huh, yeah, you're the atheist on MAL, and you are raging... 2/10 for jarring self- absorbedness. ... Oh shi- MAL is a cesspool for atheists. Only theist's have the right to rage on this site. As far as I know, it's a cesspool for Christians and Muslims, Catholics come second, and Atheists are third. But hey, who am I to state the numbers, right? Exactly. Atheists far outnumber believers on MAL, but I don't expect someone as stupid as you to realise this youreself. |
Dozer said: Atheists far outnumber believers on MAL, but I don't expect someone as stupid as you to realise this youreself. As stupid as me? Besides that I've reported that part, there's also no way that you have the right to say so while you have trouble spelling two totally regular and everyday words in a correct manner. Next to that, since you consider me 'stupid', please explain me what's so intelligent about the score you stated a few posts above? "2/10 for jarring self- absorbedness"? Baman already stated that this is a totally irrelevant thing to say, yet instead of covering it up, you simply ignore your own stupidity. I understand you're acknowledging your stupidity with that. |
Chavez said: Dozer said: Atheists far outnumber believers on MAL, but I don't expect someone as stupid as you to realise this youreself. As stupid as me? Besides that I've reported that part, there's also no way that you have the right to say so while you have trouble spelling two totally regular and everyday words in a correct manner. Next to that, since you consider me 'stupid', please explain me what's so intelligent about the score you stated a few posts above? "2/10 for jarring self- absorbedness"? Baman already stated that this is a totally irrelevant thing to say, yet instead of covering it up, you simply ignore your own stupidity. I understand you're acknowledging your stupidity with that. Just remember that spelling is for the week. |
| "God didn't create the humans, the humans created God." That's my opinion. |
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darkrequim said: I don't see any of them making irrelevant and groundless statements...It's people like this that give atheists a bad name..... |
| Believe in nothing. Even if a god were to exist he fails to be a good god. Just like a mother failing to take care of her child, he fails at taking care of everything. |
darkrequim said: @:Chavez Why so serious? :D Nothing serious here, really. Also, when Dozer starts to personally insult someone on things that are a lot more applicable to him, I just have to point it out. |
Evange-M said: Nerox89 said: Believe in nothing. Even if a god were to exist he fails to be a good god. Just like a mother failing to take care of her child, he fails at taking care of everything. Lol, were you born without a hand? without a leg? Did you go through horrible experiences? Or what's the reason you think God fails ? I'm not Nerox89, but I'll do a wild guess for him:
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| Religion = theism? It's more likely than you think. Evange-M said: I'm something like - Okay if God wouldn't exist what bad would it do to believe ? [I think it's more worse if you don't try to believe and there's the posibility that He exists out there - think of the consequences] Because believing in gods without any proof or arguments for it is stupid? I prefer not to be stupid (although I fail spectacularly more often than not). And it might be that there's some god out there who decided to hide its presence and then reward all of us who concluded it didn't exist, because it's hard for critical thinking. So the bet is really totally random. Pascal's wager was only good because it kickstarted game theory, as an actual application of it it's useless. The possibilites are too many. Evange-M said: Lol, were you born without a hand? without a leg? Did you go through horrible experiences? Or what's the reason you think God fails ? Uh well, there are people who are born without hands or legs, people who die when they are born, schizophrenia, alzheimers, AIDS, cancer, stroke, war, tsunamis, supervulcanoes, normal vulcanoes, earthquakes, people who don't get logic, environmental dangers from oil to Monsanto crops, virus, leprosy, forest conflagrations, child abuse, rape, murder, Kindereggs, the dinosaurs went extinct before we could play and cuddle with them, there was the Holocaust and the Nanjing massacre, Down's syndrome, homophobia, the Jonas Brothers, bureaucracy, idiocy and bad taste in literature. I'd say there's quite a lot of shitty things in this world. Bad enough for suicide to be one of the most common causes of death in the world, in fact. Bad enough for there to be causes of death at all. If there'd be a god by most ordinary stripes, it'd be a really messed-up god. |
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Chavez said: Evange-M said: Nerox89 said: Believe in nothing. Even if a god were to exist he fails to be a good god. Just like a mother failing to take care of her child, he fails at taking care of everything. Lol, were you born without a hand? without a leg? Did you go through horrible experiences? Or what's the reason you think God fails ? I'm not Nerox89, but I'll do a wild guess for him:
My god, and you call me stupid... |
Dozer said: Chavez said: Evange-M said: Nerox89 said: Believe in nothing. Even if a god were to exist he fails to be a good god. Just like a mother failing to take care of her child, he fails at taking care of everything. Lol, were you born without a hand? without a leg? Did you go through horrible experiences? Or what's the reason you think God fails ? I'm not Nerox89, but I'll do a wild guess for him:
My god, and you call me stupid... You can just say that you'll choose not to answer any of my arguments that are too complicated for you. No need to quote something not directed at you. |
Nerox89 said: Believe in nothing. Even if a god were to exist he fails to be a good god. Just like a mother failing to take care of her child, he fails at taking care of everything. Maybe you fail to be a good follower? It's always easy to blame others. |
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Esley said: Nerox89 said: Believe in nothing. Even if a god were to exist he fails to be a good god. Just like a mother failing to take care of her child, he fails at taking care of everything. Maybe you fail to be a good follower? It's always easy to blame others. If anybody fails it's you and dozer. None of you have any good points and just attack the person instead of their ideals. Seriously grow up, kids. |
| You all failed the instant you got serious about trying to prove someone's belief(s) wrong. |
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Vagabond said: I like people, and I like logic, so I try to get them to get along. It's hard and unrewarding work :<You all failed the instant you got serious about trying to prove someone's belief(s) wrong. |
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| Nah, I already know that trying to 'prove' something on internet is futile. Just messing around. |
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Chavez said: Dozer said: Chavez said: Evange-M said: Nerox89 said: Believe in nothing. Even if a god were to exist he fails to be a good god. Just like a mother failing to take care of her child, he fails at taking care of everything. Lol, were you born without a hand? without a leg? Did you go through horrible experiences? Or what's the reason you think God fails ? I'm not Nerox89, but I'll do a wild guess for him:
My god, and you call me stupid... You can just say that you'll choose not to answer any of my arguments that are too complicated for you. No need to quote something not directed at you. Okay, now that one's a head- scratcher. What arguements? For all I know, you haven't made a single one... |
Dozer said: Okay, now that one's a head- scratcher. What arguements? For all I know, you haven't made a single one... http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=45132&show=720#msg2648945 http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=45132&show=720#msg2646324 http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=45132&show=720#msg2646092 Ignorance to the max? |
| Technically, I'm a Christian. I believe that God's somewhere, or SOMETHING is out there. Humans are just to beastly to be the top creature, despite the brains we've been given. I also believe in karma in being God's general scale of outcomes. We make our own decisions, and when they get bad God's not gonna kiss the boo-boos and 'make it all better'. Everyone is going to pay for their mistakes, and if we get hit in the crossfire of someone's else's bad mistakes, well.... that's just our bad luck and maybe it'll teach us to not make bad mistakes. [My, mini rant of annoyance. XD] Erm... I'm pretty open to most religions and rituals and ceremonies. They're usually a sort of comfort or lifestyle, and have some stock behind them most of the time. Heck, if I find the right things I'll maybe even partake in them. I mean in the end, after death, if I just end up being totally right in my religion, then someone else is going to be wrong and is going to Hell. I don't find that right, when so many believe so faithfully in other religions. And if that's an indiction, I'm not a specific division. Not Baptist, Methodist, Nazarene (although that's the current style church my family goes to). I'm just plain Christian. : 3 I try and take comfort in the fact that I'm not all alone all the time, and that God is there, even if he isn't always listening. I struggle with my faith all the time. Even if he's not there, I try and basically follow the 10 Commandments. To be a good person, yada yada, and try to make going through this life a little bit easier. |
Chavez said: Dozer said: Okay, now that one's a head- scratcher. What arguements? For all I know, you haven't made a single one... http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=45132&show=720#msg2648945 http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=45132&show=720#msg2646324 http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=45132&show=720#msg2646092 Ignorance to the max? While only the second one of those links directs one to anything remotely resembeling an arguement (and I'm being very generous here) (or one that I haven't already answered, so please read the posts of the people you argue with (otherwise you'll just get nowhere fast)), I'll just settle this the christian way and (I'm being very sarcastic here) kindly answer your question in the second post: It was my rating of sellective_yellow's troll comment. |
DozerFeb 5, 2009 1:42 PM
Dozer said: Chavez said: Dozer said: Okay, now that one's a head- scratcher. What arguements? For all I know, you haven't made a single one... http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=45132&show=720#msg2648945 http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=45132&show=720#msg2646324 http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=45132&show=720#msg2646092 Ignorance to the max? Since only the second one of those links Let me first start off with Dozer said: Chavez said: Dozer said: Okay, now that one's a head- scratcher. What arguements? For all I know, you haven't made a single one... http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=45132&show=720#msg2648945 http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=45132&show=720#msg2646324 http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=45132&show=720#msg2646092 Ignorance to the max? While only the second one of those links directs one to anything remotely resembeling an arguement (and I'm being very generous here), I'll just settle this the christian way and (I'm being sarcastic here) kindly answer your question in the second post: It was my rating of sellective_yellow's troll comment. Let me first start off with clarifying that I was not asking why you made that comment, I was wondering how you could ever consider that intelligent. Next to that, I can't remember any of my arguments resembling yours even remotely. I wouldn't post something that silly. |
chavez said: Let me first start off with clarifying that I was not asking why you made that comment, I was wondering how you could ever consider that intelligent. There is no point explaining it to you if you can't even understand that sellective_yellow was trolling. chavez said: Next to that, I can't remember any of my arguments resembling yours even remotely. Of course you can't. Frankly speaking, you never made an arguement to begin with. |
Evange-M said: Theories are ideas with lacks of proof. A theory actually became a theory due to overwhelming proof. But no, a theory can never be proven true. |
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Evange-M said: Now, I wont talk about the bad guy because it's doubtfull you'll think satan exists while not believing in God. If satan did exist, wouldn't that be the ultimate proof that god isn't doing his job? Vagabond said: Evange-M said: Theories are ideas with lacks of proof. A theory actually became a theory due to overwhelming proof. But no, a theory can never be proven true. In the same sense that nothing can really be proven, I suppose. Well.. not really. Look at it this way - general relativity is a theory. It is also a fact. |
| I hate to have to bring this up, but logic proves that God, if it exists, is either not omnipotent, not omnibenevolent, and/or is indifferent. Therefore I say God does not exist, but if it does, so what? |
Evange-M said: I believe in God because logically, to what I have seen in this world, God seems definite and inevitable. When I ponder the rules of the universe, knowing what is right and what is wrong, and the value behind life, I find that God surely must exist, and there is no other way. There is no right or wrong. And the value of life is infinite on semantical basis alone. Ontological value is nonsense. naikou said: Evange-M said: Now, I wont talk about the bad guy because it's doubtfull you'll think satan exists while not believing in God. If satan did exist, wouldn't that be the ultimate proof that god isn't doing his job? qft naikou said: Vagabond said: Evange-M said: Theories are ideas with lacks of proof. A theory actually became a theory due to overwhelming proof. But no, a theory can never be proven true. In the same sense that nothing can really be proven, I suppose. Well.. not really. Look at it this way - general relativity is a theory. It is also a fact. Yep. The colloquial use of theory is so persistent it ain't fun. gogo actual definitions. Hm, epistemology is so depressing sometimes... Since it's so common people are sort of fuzzy on it I will be sort of a smartass and give a simplified account (I beg my pardon in advance for eventual pompuousness). Yeah, nothing can be "proven", There are proofs, but no prof can ever be conclusive. As such we abandoned the verificationism of logical positivism for the benefit of falsificationism - basically, we state hypotheses, which are then tested. Tested in the sense that we collect relevant facts (observations), and see if they are possible or not within the hypothesis. If they are impossible, the hypothesis is falsified. If they are possible in the hypothesis and large enough in number, the hypothesis becomes a theory. Theories, in other words, are propositions about the relations/natur/whatever of things in the world considered interimly true. However, the keyword is interimly - the philosophical distrust for induction is as strong as ever, and the theory is just waiting for new facts to turn up and falsify it. They are to be eternally tested. They are, indeed, never proven, or even "true". Mmm Popper. Oh, I should debate about god? Who cares, epistemology is more important even if gods exists. |
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