Toaru Kagaku no Railgun S Episode 1 Discussion

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Wait, read chapter 43 of the railgun manga... It says the #6 is a guy. Also, on the Toaru Wiki it says the #6 is referred to as a guy in one of the SS Light novels... I'm not talking about him being Pierce, I'm just talking about him being male. Isn't this confirmed? I thought this already was?

I didnt say anything about the gender.

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I get you. But when you said that the #6 is gender neutral. Was that referring to the reference in the SS or to the reference in the railgun manga or to both? Because the Index wiki says the #6 has actually been declared to be male which is why I thought that.

And lol... your point was that there are a lot of other cool characters. Agreed. There are a lot of characters who can beat level 5's. I definitely skipped over some too. :)

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Pretty good first episode, I'm glad that it wasn't a (re-)introduction of the characters but just action.
That new Queen girl deserves to die already, what a bitch.
Hopefully Touma will appear a lot, he's just badass.

Like I said in an earlier post, Misaki (The Queen) is meant to be a foil to Mikoto. In many ways, she's actually a much more likable character and considering she is going front and center on the cover of the next Index NT Volume, we're most likely gonna get some good insight into her character.

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He still is OP enough even if he cant beat all those ultra OP chars.

Yes, it is just speculation. That's why I used the word 'hypothesize' as there is no evidence thus far. It's just a fun idea that the fans came up with.

I'm not saying he isn't OP. I'm just saying that there are plenty of characters who are more OP than him.

Yes, finally someone agrees with me about this being good backstory for Misaki. I tried to say the same thing six times lol. I was literally advertising in earlier posts that TN 7 had Misaki and Misaka.

Also, thanks for the update on the manga reference. That one was the one I was so happy about the first time I read it. But that is a pretty big translation error (lol). Someone should say male or female. Thank you VERY much for that clarification. Otherwise I might have been upset if things turned out otherwise.

Oh yeah, I was wondering. I remembered reading in the railgun manga that Misaka says that ALL of the level fives from Tokiwadai were originally level 1's. Does this include Misaki? The lines for the manga are made by Kamachi so... this sounds plausibly correct, I am just not sure. Could it be that Misaki was originally a level 1? I thought Misaki was very secretive about herself and her past? This was the first season so shouldn't be a spoiler for people on this chat. It was in chapter 5 of the manga.

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I didnt say anything about the gender.

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By the way, as a point of interest. Misaki says in the funimation dub about the bag of Misaka: "Is that a present for your boyfriend?" Since Misaki knows a lot of what is going on about other people and has probably already read Misaka's friends memories about Misaka, is Misaki referring to Touma whom she already knows. For the people who have read the manga what do you guys think?

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@dniv

A) I wouldn't say it is a translation error but something that is hard to translate considering that the only genderless pronoun in English is 'it' and that pronoun refers to objects rather than people.

B) Could you tell me which chapter that thing about Tokiwadai's level 5s once being Level 1s is in? I just want to check for myself before I say anything.

C) I wouldn't say that she would know anything about Touma from reading anyone except Kuroko considering that Uiharu and Saten have never met Touma by this point. There is speculation amongst the fans that Touma knew Misaki before he lost his memories while citing the chapter in Railgun where Touma interacts with Mikoto and Misaki after buying drinks.

D) There is a way to edit posts and multiquote in one post so that you don't have to double-post.

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@dniv

A) I wouldn't say it is a translation error but something that is hard to translate considering that the only genderless pronoun in English is 'it' and that pronoun refers to objects rather than people.

B) Could you tell me which chapter that thing about Tokiwadai's level 5s once being Level 1s is in? I just want to check for myself before I say anything.

C) I wouldn't say that she would know anything about Touma from reading anyone except Kuroko considering that Uiharu and Saten have never met Touma by this point. There is speculation amongst the fans that Touma knew Misaki before he lost his memories while citing the chapter in Railgun where Touma interacts with Mikoto and Misaki after buying drinks.

D) There is a way to edit posts and multiquote in one post so that you don't have to double-post.

I. Response to D.
Thank you. That is a good idea. I will do this in the future. I'm still kinda new to this sorry xD.

II. Response to B.
Chapter 5 page 23. This was the graviton incident and Misaka was telling the culprit : "Did you know, Tokiwadai's level 5's were just level 1's. Nonetheless those people kept on trying on trying, and trying, and trying until they obtained the power that people call 'level 5.'"

It was actually near the very beginning which was a while ago which is why I am not really sure whether what Mikoto said is still credible, but it was in the manga which had plot created by Kamachi.

III. Response to C.

Uihara did meet Touma when he saved her from the Graviton incident right? I'm not actually sure if Mikoto introduced Touma to Uiharu or not but I thought that she would have at least noticed Touma being there. But she does not know his name though... I think there is also speculation that Seria from the LN's

might know Misaki personally, but I'm not really that sure about this fact. It is possible that the two of them know each other. Yeah, in the chapter you are talking about in the manga,

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However, the description for LN 7 of TN says that

IV. response to A) Okay, thank you for the clarification. That makes sense. Him/her is awkward and the word already has ambiguous meaning which creates confusion, that makes good sense. Ok. I just wish this didn't happen for something as important as knowing the gender of the last level 5 because that is a BIG deal (at least to me it is :) ).

V. Was Misaki referring to Touma when she said to Mikoto: "Is that a present for your boyfriend?" Why wouldn't Misaki have information from Shirai as well? (maybe?)

vi. Did I say funimation dub I meant the sub of this episode 1 of railgun S oops.

vii. I think the funimation sub was the most well-done sub in terms of understanding with full clarity what everyone was saying even though the sub came out last. I know people will say this is because funimation is professional, but the sub is actually pretty good, am I the only one who thinks this?

vii. I will put stuff in spoilers. Sorry. :(

ssjokg said:

Yes, this is a good point, but as CreationBreaker said:

CreationBreaker said:

Plus,

So that point is irrelevant in the first place. :) :)

I made my posts readable. All of the spoilers are safely hidden now behind spoiler buttons (at least I hope so).

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dniv said:
Like I have ranted earlier on this chat... (I will make this one shorter)[... ...]

Uh, your point? I don't see how your reply is relevant to your post.

I'm aware of the world-building that takes place in the series. That doesn't have anything to do with what I think are flaws of the series in general. In fact, it's precisely because I have read the novels and manga that I'm willing to make the above posts. Exposition in terms of infodump to tell us about how the world works (eg, the magic or science etc) aren't an issue and I never complained about that.

My question is that are you complaining about the LN's or the anime or both? I was just trying to say that the Light Novels were much better done than the anime and that with the next few seasons we will probably see much better execution as the world has been built better and the timing will fall into place.

I was not being clear with my really long post sorry. xD

Hope this clarifies my point. If you are criticizing the anime, I understand why you might not like it in that case; even though your criticism actually isn't a negative point for me (I really like the index anime and want to see more).

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Last season was close to epic, hopefully this one will step it up a notch. For now, this one has a good start.

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dniv said:

ssjokg said:

Yes, this is a good point, but as CreationBreaker said:

CreationBreaker said:

Plus,

So that point is irrelevant in the first place. :) :)

But we only know that about Misaka.

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ssjokg said:

dniv said:

ssjokg said:

Yes, this is a good point, but as CreationBreaker said:

CreationBreaker said:

Plus,

So that point is irrelevant in the first place. :) :)

But we only know that about Misaka.

It was. I was just kidding lol.

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Also, I wasn't talking about Accelerator or any other of the level fives and especially not Sogitar: just Misaki and Mikoto.

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ssjokg said:

dniv said:

ssjokg said:

Yes, this is a good point, but as CreationBreaker said:

CreationBreaker said:

Plus,

So that point is irrelevant in the first place. :) :)

But we only know that about Misaka.

I think,

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Xaliuss said:

ssjokg said:

dniv said:

ssjokg said:

Yes, this is a good point, but as CreationBreaker said:

CreationBreaker said:

Plus,

So that point is irrelevant in the first place. :) :)

But we only know that about Misaka.

I think,

But you are forgetting the case if

. Then what you just concluded would necessarily be false...

But yeah what I said misses the point though lol.

@ Xaliuss

Yes, that is brilliant exposition and that actually makes perfect sense.

But, I guess even with Rikou

Also as a quick question, if Level 5's are determined in their usefulness to achieving system why would

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Xaliuss said:

ssjokg said:

dniv said:

ssjokg said:

Yes, this is a good point, but as CreationBreaker said:

CreationBreaker said:

Plus,

So that point is irrelevant in the first place. :) :)

But we only know that about Misaka.

I think,

Sogita

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dniv said:

Xaliuss said:

ssjokg said:

dniv said:

ssjokg said:

Yes, this is a good point, but as CreationBreaker said:

CreationBreaker said:

Plus,

So that point is irrelevant in the first place. :) :)

But we only know that about Misaka.

I think,

But you are forgetting the case if

. Then what you just concluded would necessarily be false...

But yeah what I said misses the point though lol.

@ Xaliuss

Yes, that is brilliant exposition and that actually makes perfect sense.

But, I guess even with Rikou

Also as a quick question, if Level 5's are determined in their usefulness to achieving system why would

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ssjokg said:

Xaliuss said:

ssjokg said:

dniv said:

ssjokg said:

Yes, this is a good point, but as CreationBreaker said:

CreationBreaker said:

Plus,

So that point is irrelevant in the first place. :) :)

But we only know that about Misaka.

I think,

Sogita

Coincidentally, it is somewhat hopeless to think about this... but

I note that all of what I said above isn't really supported that much by specific evidence or at all for a matter of fact. However, I feel like it does take some different important ideas from the different novels into account. Does you guys think this is plausible? This would Misaki's actions make a lot more sense.

@ ssjokg good point lol (duh bangs head on table)

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dniv said:

ssjokg said:

Xaliuss said:

ssjokg said:

dniv said:

ssjokg said:

Yes, this is a good point, but as CreationBreaker said:

CreationBreaker said:

Plus,

So that point is irrelevant in the first place. :) :)

But we only know that about Misaka.

I think,

Sogita

Coincidentally, it is somewhat hopeless to think about this... but

I note that all of what I said above isn't really supported that much by specific evidence or at all for a matter of fact. However, I feel like it does take some different important ideas from the different novels into account. Does you guys think this is plausible? This would Misaki's actions make a lot more sense.

@ ssjokg good point lol (duh bangs head on table)

While reading the last spoiler I understood that it was something from NT5 or 6 so I stopped.So...if you think it is plausible why not?

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ssjokg said:

dniv said:

ssjokg said:

Xaliuss said:

ssjokg said:

dniv said:

ssjokg said:

Yes, this is a good point, but as CreationBreaker said:

CreationBreaker said:

Plus,

So that point is irrelevant in the first place. :) :)

But we only know that about Misaka.

I think,

Sogita

Coincidentally, it is somewhat hopeless to think about this... but

I note that all of what I said above isn't really supported that much by specific evidence or at all for a matter of fact. However, I feel like it does take some different important ideas from the different novels into account. Does you guys think this is plausible? This would Misaki's actions make a lot more sense.

@ ssjokg good point lol (duh bangs head on table)

While reading the last spoiler I understood that it was something from NT5 or 6 so I stopped.So...if you think it is plausible why not?

I think it was from NT 4? Let me make sure. Yes that is NT 4. No spoilers from NT 5 or NT 6. I promise this. It was in NT 4 at baggage city

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Misaka was acting a little different in this episode, not bad thing tho.

Already better than Railgun 1, this is gonna be an awesome season.

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dniv said:

ssjokg said:

dniv said:

ssjokg said:

Xaliuss said:

ssjokg said:

dniv said:

ssjokg said:

Yes, this is a good point, but as CreationBreaker said:

CreationBreaker said:

Plus,

So that point is irrelevant in the first place. :) :)

But we only know that about Misaka.

I think,

Sogita

Coincidentally, it is somewhat hopeless to think about this... but

I note that all of what I said above isn't really supported that much by specific evidence or at all for a matter of fact. However, I feel like it does take some different important ideas from the different novels into account. Does you guys think this is plausible? This would Misaki's actions make a lot more sense.

@ ssjokg good point lol (duh bangs head on table)

While reading the last spoiler I understood that it was something from NT5 or 6 so I stopped.So...if you think it is plausible why not?

I think it was from NT 4? Let me make sure. Yes that is NT 4. No spoilers from NT 5 or NT 6. I promise this. It was in NT 4 at baggage city

.

I meant about the cloning not Kihara's drugs.

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ssjokg said:

dniv said:

ssjokg said:

dniv said:

ssjokg said:

Xaliuss said:

ssjokg said:

dniv said:

ssjokg said:

Yes, this is a good point, but as CreationBreaker said:

CreationBreaker said:

Plus,

So that point is irrelevant in the first place. :) :)

But we only know that about Misaka.

I think,

Sogita

Coincidentally, it is somewhat hopeless to think about this... but

I note that all of what I said above isn't really supported that much by specific evidence or at all for a matter of fact. However, I feel like it does take some different important ideas from the different novels into account. Does you guys think this is plausible? This would Misaki's actions make a lot more sense.

@ ssjokg good point lol (duh bangs head on table)

While reading the last spoiler I understood that it was something from NT5 or 6 so I stopped.So...if you think it is plausible why not?

I think it was from NT 4? Let me make sure. Yes that is NT 4. No spoilers from NT 5 or NT 6. I promise this. It was in NT 4 at baggage city

.

I meant about the cloning not Kihara's drugs.

Sorry, let me clarify. This is from NT4

I'm therefore assuming that

@ ssjokg: I thought you were caught up with the railgun manga? How far along are you?

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@ ssjokg: I thought you were caught up with the railgun manga? How far along are you?

Chapter 58 but I dont recall anything about

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ssjokg said:

dniv said:

@ ssjokg: I thought you were caught up with the railgun manga? How far along are you?

Chapter 58 but I dont recall anything about

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I'm glad this is back, has me excited for some more accelerator

Hate to spoil the fun, but Accelerator is not in Railgun much. He's the main villain of the Sister's arc on Touma's side of things, but Misaka has a different villain she has to fight.

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Stitches327 said:
I'm glad this is back, has me excited for some more accelerator

Hate to spoil the fun, but Accelerator is not in Railgun much. He's the main villain of the Sister's arc on Touma's side of things, but Misaka has a different villain she has to fight.

Um... she fights both of them in railgun S... he was in the opening if you didn't notice. In fact, if you read the railgun manga, Accelerator had a much bigger role than in the Sister's arc in Index. Accelerator had a lot of character development in the railgun manga...

That character is just a villain (an important one) we haven't seen animated yet.

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But he's not in much for anybody to say "Hey we should only watch this for Accelerator!"

In fact, I never did like Accelerator until season 2. In the manga of Railgun and the anime of Index he was just that super-bad evil dude of the week.

It isn't until Index Season II he becomes the redeeming anti-hero that I know and love :).

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MagnumBookworm said:
But he's not in much for anybody to say "Hey we should only watch this for Accelerator!"

In fact, I never did like Accelerator until season 2. In the manga of Railgun and the anime of Index he was just that super-bad evil dude of the week.

It isn't until Index Season II he becomes the redeeming anti-hero that I know and love :).

In this season of Railgun S. Sure I agree. But he's still a great character. Also, you actually get to see some of the anti-hero that you know and love from Accelerator in this arc right?

I mean in the railgun manga clearly

Also, if you like Accelerator in Index Season II, then one of the following things would also be true:

1. You will love Accelerator in seasons III, IV, V, or VI (there's enough material if you include the sequel series as well) and it is still coming out. Accelerator will be done really well.

2. If you read the Light Novels of Toaru Majutsu no Index at

, you could learn a lot more about the later storyline and see how Accelerator eventually becomes one of the three MAIN characters of Index.

At this point, I am interested in his interactions with Misaka, the sisters, the dark side of academy city, and Touma. These will all be interesting little additions to Toaru Kagaku no Railgun S. I mean this arc is about the Sisters. The person

The anime has more room to work with than the manga did anyway. The one constraint that the anime has is that I think the Sister's arc in railgun might have been the longest arc or one of the longest in all of Index so the anime has to squeeze a lot of info in if it wants to be accurate. Hopefully though this means that the anime will execute the story pretty much to the letter (with some filler maybe sometimes...).

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dniv said:

In this season of Railgun S. Sure I agree. But he's still a great character. Also, you actually get to see some of the anti-hero that you know and love from Accelerator in this arc right?

Key word, some. Not enough for me.

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They're finally back :D

And glad to see Touma might have more screentime this season. The OP is nice too~

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Not sure why people have to keep using Misaki and Misaka to refer to the two characters. Do people love confusion so much? I mean, Misaka is her LAST NAME while Misaki is her FIRST NAME. If you want to talk about the characters, either referring them as Misaka and Shokuhou, OR Mikoto and Misaki. There would be no confusion in that case. Given most people seem to refer the two with their last name, I would say using Misaka and Shokuhou is better.

Also, I am not sure about the translation but as far as I know nowhere in the novel or manga is the gender of #6 Level 5 mentioned.

So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old?

I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them?

I wonder how long people would put up with this.

As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series.

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Not sure why people have to keep using Misaki and Misaka to refer to the two characters. Do people love confusion so much? I mean, Misaka is her LAST NAME while Misaki is her FIRST NAME. If you want to talk about the characters, either referring them as Misaka and Shokuhou, OR Mikoto and Misaki. There would be no confusion in that case. Given most people seem to refer the two with their last name, I would say using Misaka and Shokuhou is better.

Also, I am not sure about the translation but as far as I know nowhere in the novel or manga is the gender of #6 Level 5 mentioned.

Well most people call them the way it easier to type/spell or the way other chars refer to them.
Most chars,if not all except from her mother, call Misaka with her last name.
I prefer Misaki over Shokuhou.

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Misaka is the name our #3 Level 5, Railgun, is most known, since that's what most characters use to call her throughout the series. I don't think anyone really calls her Mikoto except for her mother and a few exceptions that I can't remember at this time.
Meanwhile, Shokuhou is just a mouthful to say/type and since Misaki sounds similar to Misaka, it's the name that sticks more to the #5 Level 5, Mental Out, hence the one being used.
I don't confuse the two though so it doesn't bother me if I use Misak(i)a to refer to them.

And I believe the gender of the #6 Level 5 was mentioned in the Railgun manga, though I can't remember where. It was probably around

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ssjokg said:

Well most people call them the way it easier to type/spell or the way other chars refer to them.
I prefer Misaki over Shokuhou.

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I don't confuse the two though so it doesn't bother me if I use Misak(i)a to refer to them

Well, your preference of course, but I can't help feeling a bit sorry for those who are not as well-versed as you on characters in Index/Railgun and got confused by all the mentions of Misaki/Misaka while a proper and less confusing way to address them exists.

ssjokg said:
Most chars,if not all except from her mother, call Misaka with her last name.

That's why I suggest using Shokuhou and Misaka. Most chars refer to them as Shokuhou and Misaka in the anime/manga anyway.

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And I believe the gender of the #6 Level 5 was mentioned in the Railgun manga

The key thing is whether it is mentioned as such in the original Japanese. A translation of "he" could well be a mistranslation of a gender-neutral pronoun. This has happened only recently in an anime Shinsekai Yori aired last season. People vilified me for saying that a child character may not be a male as some English subtitle put it as (it used "he") because the Japanese word used is totally gender neutral (in fact the child looks more like a girl and fans in Japan mostly think it is a girl). Fortunately I got vindicated when in a later episode a character said how the child can grow up to be "a lovely little girl" but it just shows how completely people can take in with the translation they read to the extent they won't listen to someone who speaks Japanese telling them the translation may not be correct after all.

symbvApr 16, 2013 5:10 AM

So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old?

I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them?

I wonder how long people would put up with this.

As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series.

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symbv said:

ssjokg said:

Well most people call them the way it easier to type/spell or the way other chars refer to them.
I prefer Misaki over Shokuhou.

belatkuro said:

I don't confuse the two though so it doesn't bother me if I use Misak(i)a to refer to them

Well, your preference of course, but I can't help feeling a bit sorry for those who are not as well-versed as you on characters in Index/Railgun and got confused by all the mentions of Misaki/Misaka while a proper and less confusing way to address them exists.

ssjokg said:
Most chars,if not all except from her mother, call Misaka with her last name.

That's why I suggest using Shokuhou and Misaka. Most chars refer to them as Shokuhou and Misaka in the anime/manga anyway.

Why not just use Misaka and Mental Out? Or Misaka and the #5? But what you say does make sense. Misaka and Shokuhou would be less confusing for other people.
But when we are talking about later things in the LN's or the railgun manga in spoilers it probably doesn't matter because we should all be able to tell the difference between the two by then anyway.

By the way, I was wondering...

Don't read this second spoiler unless you've read chapter 58 of the railgun manga already... Furthermore,

What do you guys think the chances of this happening are?

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I have read Index LNs up to NT4 plus some SS but I was able to memorize Queen's name(having both the char and name in the same scene is easier than a randomly appearing name)in the latest arc of the Railgun manga.

@dniv
I doubt the anime will get that far.I think it will be just the Sisters arc with fillers+canon SOL from the manga.

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dniv said:
Why not just use Misaka and Mental Out? Or Misaka and the #5? But what you say does make sense. Misaka and Shokuhou would be less confusing for other people.

Of course, Misaka and Mental Out is less confusing, so is Misaka and the Queen. But if you want to say Misaka and #5, perhaps you can even use #3 and #5, which involves even less typing? Or we can use Railgun and RemoteCon :-)

So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old?

I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them?

I wonder how long people would put up with this.

As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series.

Apr 16, 2013 5:23 AM

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That was an amazing starts. Gotta love this show and fripSide of course! On the 1st of July Altima will be performing in the Netherlands, and that includes sat of course so this is damn awesome!

Apr 16, 2013 5:27 AM

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symbv said:
That's why I suggest using Shokuhou and Misaka. Most chars refer to them as Shokuhou and Misaka in the anime/manga anyway.

I guess but people might still use Misaki as it's easier to say/remember than Shokuhou. It is for me.
People might go with Shokuhou as well the more she shows up and gets called like that, which won't be for later sadly, so the confusion will still persist. Not my problem I guess.
Or we could just call Shokuhou "Queen" :P

symbv said:

belatkuro said:
And I believe the gender of the #6 Level 5 was mentioned in the Railgun manga

The key thing is whether it is mentioned as such in the original Japanese. A translation of "he" could well be a mistranslation of a gender-neutral pronoun. This has happened only recently in an anime Shinsekai Yori aired last season. People vilified me for saying that a child character may not be a male as some English subtitle put it as (it used "he") because the Japanese word used is totally gender neutral (in fact the child looks more like a girl and fans in Japan mostly think it is a girl). Fortunately I got vindicated when in a later episode a character said how the child can grow up to be "a lovely little girl" but it just shows how completely people can take in with the translation they read to the extent they won't listen to someone who speaks Japanese telling them the translation may not be correct after all.

Point taken. As I don't have the raws for that chapter I was referring, it's hard to verify it. I'll drop this as it's not related to the episode in any ways and it won't go anywhere unless we can check the original text anyways. So yeah.

Apr 16, 2013 6:27 AM

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ssjokg said:
I have read Index LNs up to NT4 plus some SS but I was able to memorize Queen's name(having both the char and name in the same scene is easier than a randomly appearing name)in the latest arc of the Railgun manga.

@dniv
I doubt the anime will get that far.I think it will be just the Sisters arc with fillers+canon SOL from the manga.

But I thought #5 was a shout out to viewers that she will indeed be appearing in the anime. Why else would have they introduced her this early? I mean they introduced her for the fans. I thought that introducing her for the fans means that they are introducing her because she will be starring in this season.

First of all, this season is Toaru Kagaku no Railgun S where S stands for Sisters, which implies that pretty much everything in this season will somehow be related to the sisters in my opinion. I mean that should be the main focus of the season.

Looking at the first four episode names, it seems that the plot will be progressing quickly enough such that it definitely shouldn't take much more than 12 episodes to cover all of the sister's arc. I am pretty sure Daihaisei arc will be covered.

After all,

This definitely has a big relation to the sisters and makes me sure that the second season will cover both arcs. I mean I looked at the original announcements of the plot for the second season in Japanese (using google translate lol) and was able to tell that in fact the announcement made was that part or all of the main story of the second season would be about Misaka's sisters, NOT the Sister's arc specifically. This is why being about the Sisters could easily refer to both arcs together.

Since they went as far as to introduce Misaki, Shokuhou, and since they will most likely have a second opening and ending, we can probably safely conclude that they will show more of Shokuhou. This is why I actually think that. I mean if they only got a far as Mugino in the first part, why show a picture of Accelerator in the first place in the opening?

By the way, I don't think this is enough information to actually open up a new discussion, but I was wondering what people thought about this. This is a teaser summary for episode 2. Don't worry, it doesn't say what happens it just kind of says what happens at the beginning:

I was wondering whether I should make this a new topic... or not.

And here:

http://news.dengeki.com/elem/000/000/583/583932/ This is the link to the original announcement of the season. I think it should be in the third paragraph.

dnivApr 16, 2013 6:35 AM

Apr 16, 2013 6:30 AM

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dniv said:
I mean I looked at the original announcements of the plot for the second season in Japanese (using google translate lol) and was able to tell that in fact the announcement made was that part or all of the main story of the second season would be about Misaka's sisters, NOT the Sister's arc specifically. This is why being about the Sisters could easily refer to both arcs together.

If you still have the link for the Japanese announcement I can take a look and see if it is about the Sister's Arc or just about Misaka's sisters in general.

So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old?

I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them?

I wonder how long people would put up with this.

As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series.

Apr 16, 2013 6:31 AM

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dniv said:

ssjokg said:
I have read Index LNs up to NT4 plus some SS but I was able to memorize Queen's name(having both the char and name in the same scene is easier than a randomly appearing name)in the latest arc of the Railgun manga.

@dniv
I doubt the anime will get that far.I think it will be just the Sisters arc with fillers+canon SOL from the manga.

But I thought Misaki was a shout out to viewers that she will indeed be appearing in the anime. Why else would have they introduced her this early? I mean they introduced her for the fans. I thought that introducing her for the fans means that they are introducing her because she will be starring in this season.

First of all, this season is Toaru Kagaku no Railgun S where S stands for Sisters, which implies that pretty much everything in this season will somehow be related to the sisters in my opinion. I mean that should be the main focus of the season.

Looking at the first four episode names, it seems that the plot will be progressing quickly enough such that it definitely shouldn't take much more than 12 episodes to cover all of the sister's arc. I am pretty sure Daihaisei arc will be covered.

After all,

This definitely has a big relation to the sisters and makes me sure that the second season will cover both arcs. I mean I looked at the original announcements of the plot for the second season in Japanese (using google translate lol) and was able to tell that in fact the announcement made was that part or all of the main story of the second season would be about Misaka's sisters, NOT the Sister's arc specifically. This is why being about the Sisters could easily refer to both arcs together.

Since they went as far as to introduce Misaki, Shokuhou, and since they will most likely have a second opening and ending, we can probably safely conclude that they will show more of Shokuhou. This is why I actually think that. I mean if they only got a far as Mugino in the first part, why show a picture of Accelerator in the first place in the opening?

But the Daihaisei's arc hasnt ended yet.hell we dont even have answers to questions like what is Exterior.And in season 1 pretty much everything after the Level Upper was not in the manga.They can easily make a Misaki arc(filler that will turn canon) that wont spoil Daihaisei's arc.

ssjokgApr 16, 2013 6:36 AM

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^ @ssjokg and dniv
Do you mind not quoting the full post when you reply? This can get quite unwieldy to read and follow. I hope you two can understand.

dniv said:
But when you said that the #6 is gender neutral. Was that referring to the reference in the SS or to the reference in the railgun manga or to both? Because the Index wiki says the #6 has actually been declared to be male which is why I thought that.

The Japanese Index wiki says #6 is a total unknown without saying it is a male. I wonder if the Index wiki you mentioned also draws the information from the same translation of the manga which uses a "he".

So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old?

I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them?

I wonder how long people would put up with this.

As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series.

Apr 16, 2013 6:42 AM

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symbv said:

Do you mind not quoting the full post when you reply? This can get quite unwieldy to read and follow. I hope you two can understand.

Sure, sorry about that. I'm still new at this... xD

symbv said:

The Japanese Index wiki says #6 is a total unknown without saying it is a male. I wonder if the Index wiki you mentioned also draws the information from the same translation of the manga which uses a "he".

I didn't even know there was a Japanese Index wiki. That's interesting. I already resolved this problem in a discussion a few pages ago where someone told me that the reference was gender neutral but changed to he because there is no english pronoun that is general and the word "it" would be awkward. Yeah, I checked, the site I was using used that manga chapter as a reference to that conclusion. I also thought I saw at one point though that the #6's identity was mentioned in one of the SS chapters... but I couldn't figure out where I read that before... so I'm assuming I just remembered wrong. Anyway, I would rather not know now. This makes NT 7 and NT 8 more exciting when they come out (hopefully it will be revealed around then... or maybe not).

@ssjokg
I still think they will probably do Daihaisei because the season is about the sisters afterall and not #5. #5 is only mentioned because her actions somehow affect #3, Saten, Uiharu, and Kuroko. Otherwise she probably wouldn't have any of her own filler. Touma is a slight exception because it's Touma...
Also, just because the manga hasn't ended Daihaisei doesn't mean Kamachi can't tell J.C. studio how to animate the ending. People will still love the manga version anyway. And... we have 24 episodes. The first 12 episodes will take 3 months which is time for three new Railgun manga chapters. It looks like we're getting close to the climax of the arc anyways. They will by then definitely have enough material for close to 12 episodes. While they are making the Daihaisei arc, two more chapters of railgun will also come out. They can use these 5 new chapters of the railgun manga to do finish the last 4 episodes of the arc. That should be enough material to not only end the arc, but to be adapted into 4 episodes easily especially if they add some filler.

dnivApr 16, 2013 6:48 AM

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ssjokg said:
But the Daihaisei's arc hasnt ended yet.hell we dont even have answers to questions like what is Exterior.And in season 1 pretty much everything after the Level Upper was not in the manga.They can easily make a Misaki arc(filler that will turn canon) that wont spoil Daihaisei's arc.

That may be true but timeline-wise, there's not enough time in between Sisters arc and Daihasesai for anything to be inserted.
I suppose you can place that filler arc(that will turn canon) somewhere after Sisters arc and before August 31, the 3 Stories arc. Though that will happen during Angel Fall arc and I don't think AC escaped that event as well even if it went unnoticed.
It could be inserted during the Orsola Aquinas arc as well. Anything past that is not possible.
Just remember that Kamachi hates inconsistencies and anything that fits in the timeline, he will consider it canon. So anything can happen really but this is all speculation and guesswork until we truly arrive there. So let's just wait shall we?

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belatkuro said:
let's just wait shall we?

I was just excited in coming up with what might happen... I really want to see the #5 more... By the way, can someone respond to my other post above. I was wondering if I should post that preview summary of episode 2 in a new thread or not. I wasn't sure if that was really enough information even though it was a clear shout out to:

Apr 16, 2013 7:23 AM

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dniv said:
I was wondering if I should post that preview summary of episode 2 in a new thread or not. I wasn't sure if that was really enough information even though it was a clear shout out to:

Yeah, the full title of ep.2 is 寿命中断(クリティカル) which is the ability Nunotaba Shinobu claimed to have. So this is mainly the debut of this character I believe:

So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old?

I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them?

I wonder how long people would put up with this.

As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series.

Apr 16, 2013 10:37 AM

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symbv said:

dniv said:
I was wondering if I should post that preview summary of episode 2 in a new thread or not. I wasn't sure if that was really enough information even though it was a clear shout out to:

Yeah, the full title of ep.2 is 寿命中断(クリティカル) which is the ability Nunotaba Shinobu claimed to have. So this is mainly the debut of this character I believe:

Yes, that is the general speculation amongst fans and is most likely correct.

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On another note, about The #6 Level 5, I got the official English version of Railgun Volume 7 just yesterday and the committee never refers to him/her/it by pronoun but just as "Number 6". As such, there is no clarification about what gender this mysterious being known as the Number 6 is.

(Also known on other places as Hiss13)

All hail the adorable chess master!

Apr 16, 2013 10:51 AM

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symbv said:

dniv said:
I was wondering if I should post that preview summary of episode 2 in a new thread or not. I wasn't sure if that was really enough information even though it was a clear shout out to:

Yeah, the full title of ep.2 is 寿命中断(クリティカル) which is the ability Nunotaba Shinobu claimed to have. So this is mainly the debut of this character I believe:

She was prettier in the manga....Yeah I have weird taste.

Apr 16, 2013 10:59 AM

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