Fairy Tail Chapter 296 Discussion

Darkdrone said:
Only problem I have with this fight was we never got to see the backstory between Gajeel and Rouge.

Why bring it up when you won't even mention it? Hell put it this way, why even bring Gajeel to the fight in the first place if he was going to be pushed into a cart to gaze at Natsu's awesomeness?

Would have rather seen Gray do some ice magic and fight rival Natsu on who can kick more ass. Since Gray doesn't have that stupid transportation weakness, Natsu will have to let him fight in the match and then we can get that crap out of the way. And get Gajeel into a REAL match where he fights 1v1 and show cases his skills. Ya ya I know Gajeel has business with Rouge but it was pushed to the side it wouldn't have mattered in the first place. Not to mention I think Natsu and Gray are better tag team than Natsu and Gejeel.

Gajeel to me has a cooler and more unique dragon magic than Natsu and I would argue he should be stronger than him but alas since Natsu is the main character he gets the shine over poor poor Gajeel. I mean seriously iron vs fire? What a joke.

WolfWoods said:
You know,Natsu doesn't need to have more power than Sting + Rogue,simply because power isn't the only thing in a battle.

At the moment Natsu took them both on,he already knew how their movements worked,before that he was fighting with Gajeel's help and also needed to be beaten up a bit by Sting to learn his movements.

The thing is,Sting and Rogue don't have much battle experience when compared to Natsu,that's why Natsu easily discovered their habits and tricks.After all,the only great accomplish Sting and Rogue did was "killing their dragons"(which we don't even know if happened or how it happened) and win one tournament.And we all know how these GMG work,it's not even battles-only,and each team member only have to fight someone directly 1-2 times,meaning Sting and Rogue didn't even fight much(and we don't even know who their opponents were,the only one we know that could have been a real deal is Kagura,and she never fought anyone for real(holding for Jellal)so I doubt they fought her,or else she would either need to use full force or just lose without fighting for real.

blackslash32 said:


How do you know that they dont have much fighting experiance?
They have both been trained by dragons.
Based on the latest flashback we know that Sting met his cat right after/during a battle.
They are both in a guild so normaly they would also go on missions.
When they first came on screen they were in a battle:

And finaly, judging form the charts, Sting has an intelligence of 4, Rogue has an intel of 5 while both Natsu and Gajeel only have 2.

WolfWoods said:


The experience I meant is about fighting real strong opponents.Having been trained by dragons doesn't make them better than Natsu and Gajeel,since they were too.Beating a bunch of weak member from Dark Guilds isn't much(considering the only real important Dark Guild left seems to have disappeared,which is Tartarus).

I know they go on missions,but I think people would know if they ever had beat a crazy council member(Jellal),and two of the three of the strongest Dark Guilds leaders like Natsu did.I know he got power-ups on these fights but at least he learnt how it is to fight against such people.

Sting and Rogue's inexperience is clearly shown right away,thinking they're already better than Gajeel and Natsu because they're of the 3rd generation.That's why the battle felt like Natsu was teaching them a lesson.

And it's been show before that Natsu is smarter during fights.Those intelligence status seem to include other stuff beside battles(because the tournament isn't only about battles,some events needed more thinking).

Talukita said:
Looks like people in this forum still have some troubles with power scaling so I guess I should clear things up a bit:

. 7 years ago Sting is only around Wendy age and level (look at the flashback). So 7 years skip only let them to close the gap to pre-skip Natsu level, so obviously they still get wrecked with Second Origin Natsu.

. Dragon Force power is unstable, Natsu levels of feats the 2 time he went DF are also different considering that he ate 2 entirely different materials to activate that mode. Sting and Rogue probably use the boost from their lacrymas to go DF, basically a shortcut, easier to get, but also weaker. Natsu in DF was able to destroy a large part of the Tower of Heaven in one mere punch compared to Sting's petty breath.

. Even in DF mode Zero still got the upperhand against Natsu and he stated that the reason is this:


. In this fight Natsu also said the samething to Sting:


=> This implies that Sting and Rogue haven't mastered their DF yet, even Natsu himself still hasn't anyway. Think about it like just because you are Dragon Slayer doesn't mean that every DS is equal with each other *cough Laxus cough*!!!

. Thinking DF Sting being equal to pre-skip DF is like thinking DF Sting is more powerful than Jellal (or a Wizard Saint like Jura) and base Natsu, being able to tank DF Sting and Rogue Unison Raid casually, is nothing different from tanking a combination of spells like these at the same time:




So until Sting and Rogue performances are on the same scale with these spells, come back and think that they have the chance against them. Right now either Laxus, Jellal, or Jura is probably enough to take down the whole ST guild casually aside from maybe Genma. Maybe Erza and Mira can also whoop both Sting and Rogue asses like there is nobody business.

. Also don't use argument like since Natsu take on both DF Sting and Rogue at the same time means that he has Sting power x 2. No, no and no. May I ask you that does your speed increase if there are 2 of you? No. If there is are spells that can one shot you, what stops them from one shotting you again even when you have more people around you? Will it increase your level of intelligence or experience? Also no. So quality >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quantity. That's how Laxus was able to solo Raven Tail easily, each member can only take 1 or 2 hits lol. The only part may change is that their offense power when they use Unison Raid, but that's still not enough.

To sum up it's not an asspull in this chapter that Natsu win, ST is just overhyped like usual. I have more problems with Natsu characters (how arrogant he is, or how selfish he is when he kicks Gajeel out and want to shine on his own, etc) rather than he winning against both of them.

Talukita said:
Looks like people in this forum still have some troubles with power scaling so I guess I should clear things up a bit:

. 7 years ago Sting is only around Wendy age and level (look at the flashback). So 7 years skip only let them to close the gap to pre-skip Natsu level, so obviously they still get wrecked with Second Origin Natsu.

Talukita said:
. Dragon Force power is unstable, Natsu levels of feats the 2 time he went DF are also different considering that he ate 2 entirely different materials to activate that mode. Sting and Rogue probably use the boost from their lacrymas to go DF, basically a shortcut, easier to get, but also weaker. Natsu in DF was able to destroy a large part of the Tower of Heaven in one mere punch compared to Sting's petty breath.

Talukita said:
. Even in DF mode Zero still got the upperhand against Natsu and he stated that the reason is this:

Talukita said:
. In this fight Natsu also said the samething to Sting:

Talukita said:
=> This implies that Sting and Rogue haven't mastered their DF yet, even Natsu himself still hasn't anyway. Think about it like just because you are Dragon Slayer doesn't mean that every DS is equal with each other *cough Laxus cough*!!!

Talukita said:
. Thinking DF Sting being equal to pre-skip DF is like thinking DF Sting is more powerful than Jellal (or a Wizard Saint like Jura) and base Natsu, being able to tank DF Sting and Rogue Unison Raid casually, is nothing different from tanking a combination of spells like these at the same time:


So until Sting and Rogue performances are on the same scale with these spells, come back and think that they have the chance against them. Right now either Laxus, Jellal, or Jura is probably enough to take down the whole ST guild casually aside from maybe Genma. Maybe Erza and Mira can also whoop both Sting and Rogue asses like there is nobody business.

Talukita said:
. Also don't use argument like since Natsu take on both DF Sting and Rogue at the same time means that he has Sting power x 2. No, no and no. May I ask you that does your speed increase if there are 2 of you? No. If there are spells that can one shot you, what stops them from one shotting you again even when you have more people around you? Will it increase your level of intelligence or experience? Also no. So quality >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quantity. That's how Laxus was able to solo Raven Tail easily, each member can only take 1 or 2 hits lol. The only part may change is that their offense power when they use Unison Raid, but that's still not enough.

Talukita said:
To sum up it's not an asspull in this chapter that Natsu win, ST is just overhyped like usual. I have more problems with Natsu characters (how arrogant he is, or how selfish he is when he kicks Gajeel out and want to shine on his own, etc) rather than he winning against both of them.

blackslash32 said:

How do you know that the timeskip is 7 years ago? Anyhow look at Wendy, she is incredebly powerfull, ex. she was capable to bring jellal back. I dont want to know what she can do in 7 years and dont forget that 7 years is a long time. Just look at One Piece, what Luffy and his crew acomplished in only 3 years.

They can activate it at will, meaning they should also be able to activate it while training and train with it, so its more stable. By using their own lacrymas they might have created a shotcut but that doesnt mean it should also be alot weaker.

Natsu was still able to defeat Zero anyway, and he was on a entirly different level.

Manga reader says something different:
you can interpret it the way you want.


Laxus still lost in a 2v1.

Sting solo attack:


I said he had the power of Sting + Rogue.
But just think about it this way, when Natsu attacks Sting he is open for an attack by Rogue and vise versa.

Agreed, Natsu was arrogant and selfish. But also Mevis was a bitch in this chapter.

Darklight0303 said:


@STing's attack: your example fails. Natsu burst straight through the whole Tower of Eden. So sorry busting the floor of an Arena is NOWHERE near the same thing.

Everything else works both ways so not going to bother since you take their words as gospel when there is little to back up their claims in the manga up to this point

Darklight0303 said:
I think he may polish up once Lucy goes MIA after this arc.

He needs a really big shock and that is big enough.

blackslash32 said:
Why does he need to become stronger when he already has ♥ the power of love and friendship ♥

Darklight0303 said:


Selective reading again =_= look at what Darkdrone said and meant. You won't have people dumbing and holding your hand through things on the internet all the time, bub.

WolfWoods said:
Looking back...



Gemma probably won't accept Sting's loss very well(Probably Rogue's loss too,but he didn't fail twice).

blackslash32 said:


Yea, i also noticed that. There is a good chance that they will get kicked out of the guild,
even though it would be a retarded decision to kick 2 of your strongest members.

If they get kicked out, would you guys (still) want them to join FT?
I don't want them to, not any more. If what we saw last chapter really was their full strength,
they cant be that useful to the guild or the main story line.

Nuluvian said:
I feel like some people in this thread should look into taking an Argument and Debate class when they start attending college. It would do wonders for some of the comments here.

For the people who come into these threads and talk about how much they hate the manga and are going to drop it, why don't you? I get coming in to have a discussion about issues you have with a specific chapter or story line, but if you are making threats about dropping the manga then you obviously don't enjoy it. You do not need to justify to the MAL community why you are dropping this.

For those who are upset about the power ups, you have to make sure you do not fall into the trap of expecting that because it is written it must be true. Until there is proof of power or abilities everything is just pure speculation. The only people you really know the power of in this manga are the members of Fairy Tail and the people they have defeated so far. It is quite easy to get a reputation without really having the proof to back it up. Take for instance the very beginning of this manga. While Natsu was strong, he was not the equivalent to a S Class mage. However, he was one of the most well known mages. Most of that was due to his destructive nature, but it was misconstrued by the public as power.

Remember that at the very beginning of this manga Fairy Tail was considered the #1 guild in Fiore. That was before Lucy joined and became strong. That was before Juvia, Gajeel, and Wendy joined. It was before all the events with Gray and Natsu that solidified them as two of the more powerful mages in the guild. They were #1 even though Elfman was at half power and Mira was essentially useless. A lot has changed in Fairy Tail pointing in the direction of them getting stronger, not weaker. I am sure the other guilds have changed and added their own power as well, but we don't know that for sure yet. Again, all we know is Fairy Tail. Since they have returned we have seen them really only lose in odd events that weren't battles. The only real exception to this is the Lucy battle. It is obvious that the girl she fought was much stronger than her, but Lucy has never been considered the top tier of Fairy Tail and has always been less powerful than the others. That would make sense considering how late a start she had in being a mage.

Is it really surprising that the top members in FT would not be losing? They have proven repeatedly in the manga that their top tier mages are not to be trifled with.

Darklight0303 said:
It was NOT a random powerup for heaven's sake.

Darklight0303 said:


Flare was not stronger than Lucy. Were in not for Obra or holding Asuka hostage, Lucy would have wiped the floor with her.

Darkdrone said:


Not random but unexpected how easily he took them down. I know he is a better fighter and has more experience but the main problem was the easyness of the whole thing. Considering those two were the stable of Sabertooth, it makes their Guild weak and pathetic after the 7 year timeskip.

What the main problem is, is how convient the Wizard Tournament was and how sad the advancement of the other guilds were for 7 years. What people expected or wanted i guess was there to be a slow and tough road back to the top of Fiore but at this rate Fairy Tail will be back in dominance within months. Pretty sad how a guild who got little boost in power and 3 months of training are whooping the holy hell out of everyone.

Fairy Tail needs a challenge and this tournament was disappointing in that regard.

Darkdrone said:

Fairy Tail needs a challenge and this tournament was disappointing in that regard.

Darklight0303 said:

The challenge is more likely to come if say the council decides to disband them or something along those lines. The tournament lost any chance of being a challenge plotwise the moment the Eclipse plan was shown

Darklight0303 said:
Actually if Lucy is involved in the collapse of the palace...FT may get disbanded by the Council since she is one of FT

WolfWoods said:


Yeah,I always thought FT would someday get disbanded by the council(nobody likes FT over there).Maybe now is the time.But what about after that?Would they become a Dark Guild? That could be interesting.

Darklight0303 said:

The challenge is more likely to come if say the council decides to disband them or something along those lines. The tournament lost any chance of being a challenge plotwise the moment the Eclipse plan was shown

blackslash32 said:


^ This too.The purpose of this tournament wasn't being a challenge.

FastWheels said:


If Lucy had any brains, she could kick Flare's ass.

Darklight0303 said:

No it's not. Look at DBZ's tournaments.

in dragonball its the coming of picollo and the 2nd time was the cell saga 3rd time was babidi

They were all flashy shows hiding the true plot beneath. It's a classic move.

blackslash32 said:


Look at the Naruto tournament, where new characters got to show their amazing strength
and teach Naruto that he still has a long road ahead and won't make it by eating ramen all day.

Darklight0303 said:


....You're really going to use Naruto as a positive example huh? Yea not going to bother with you anymore.

blackslash32 said:


Hater alert!

btw you were the one bringing up other manga

Darkdrone said:


Your really gonna bring up naruto? Naruto has more ass pull power ups than Natsu can ever have, the dude has a near limitless chakra pool from the fox and can tap into it at will. Don't compare a dude who has a freaken chakra fieldhouse up in his belly to a dude who spits out fire.

WolfWoods said:
Well,yeah.The thing is that not every tournament has to be exciting till the end or even end,as shown on other manga.

Darklight0303 said:
Ah found it. I was right! ST won only once. Wow so all the hype they had was in fact the misconception of the fandom. I find that amusing and can't help but think Mashima intended it that way.

http://www.mangainn.com/manga/chapter/84707_special-grand-magic-games-guide-book/page_9 Word of God has spoken on the matter so good luck debunking this bit.