| So I love One Piece to death, but why the hell are they getting so lazy with the animation these past few months? there are way too many still images + mouth moving and thats it, way too many shots with people from the crowd pointing out the obvious, and the pace is way too slow. Is it just because theyre close to the manga? because even still, it seems like theres plenty to be animated... I dont know, for me One Piece is getting very disappointing every week. I hope that the Punk Hazard episodes will be better. Any thoughts? |
| The animation from the action scenes are still good and well done...what more do you want? |
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| There was a thread like this not too long ago :P aiNkyy said: The animation from the action scenes are still good and well done...what more do you want? 1. Huh? Luffy knocking out 50k wasn't near the manga at all 2. Fight scenes alone don't cut it 3. What "more" do we want? As if we're getting enough. :P Well, we want the highest-selling manga of all time's anime adaptation which is usually the 3rd most viewed anime to have decent animation :/ |
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Shaduge said: >In manga Ikaros announced his dislike for Luffy calling Kraken Surume, but in the anime he didn't say anything about it. >When Zoro and Sanji repelled Dosun and Ikaros Much in the manga, the two officers were seen knocked to the ground. In the anime, they are merely pushed back. >In the anime, Luffy uses Gear Second to attack Hody, while in the manga he achieved such speed without it Why are you complaining about such minor things? Those things listed don't even affect the plot or arc in any way, shape, or form. The anime will never be 100% like the manga. Deal with it. If you want 100% manga, then stick with the manga. Mikasa said: Well, we want the highest-selling manga of all time's anime adaptation which is usually the 3rd most viewed anime to have decent animation :/ Uh...the anime DOES have decent animation. And it sure is a hell of a lot better than the animation from the old days. And you have to realize that a series that is as long as OP is never going to always have top-notch animation. Why would Toei Animation waste all of their budget on One Piece and neglect the vast amounts of other shows that they're producing? |
@MasterKingJC That's below average. I understand long running anime's budgets need to be spread out and they won't have animation as good as seasonal shows but still, that's not an excuse to slack off and do a bad job. Bleach had good animation, Naruto is good most of the time (apart from the occasional stick-hands) and they are pretty long. |
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Shaduge said: because they are adding material to make the episodes longer but they still didn't include everything in the manga chapters, this was just an example the other episodes are even worse than this. And if you consider all these minor things in each episode, if you rewatch the arc you'll notice it's a lot different from the manga. It's the best selling manga of all time, it's only natural ppl want an adaptation as close as possible to the manga The anime has always been following the manga for the most part. It's an ADAPTATION. It's going to be close to the manga, but there are some things that can't be added to the anime (i.e. Zeff eating his leg, Whitebeard losing half of his face, Luffy stabbing his cheek). Sometimes people don't get what they want. That's life. Why would an episode be horrible due to not including those little things that have no relevancy to the plot? I don't even understand the logic you're making. Uhhhhh, no. Her face looks fine to me. And trust me, I've seen waaaay worse than that.(like how Toei can't seem to draw Jinbe's face correctly.) I understand long running anime's budgets need to be spread out and they won't have animation as good as seasonal shows but still, that's not an excuse to slack off and do a bad job. Bleach had good animation, Naruto is good most of the time (apart from the occasional stick-hands) and they are pretty long. Naruto and Bleach are produced by TV Tokyo, while One Piece is produced by Toei Animation. Two completely different companies. Toei Animation is well known for being cheap and stingy at times, but they can still create high-quality animation when the time calls for it. And maybe you should take into consideration that Toei has been producing a One Piece movie and a 2-hour Nami special, while also working on the anime. |
| Remember the first 100 or so episodes of OP? It isn't the animation that made it so great, but the plot and its characters. |
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Mikasa said: @MasterKingJC That's below average. I understand long running anime's budgets need to be spread out and they won't have animation as good as seasonal shows but still, that's not an excuse to slack off and do a bad job. Bleach had good animation, Naruto is good most of the time (apart from the occasional stick-hands) and they are pretty long. just so you know the face itself is the art style, animation would be how they "move" it. one piece is already vastly different in art style from bleach and naruto as for the animation quality i can only guess that there is not too much going on in these episodes -> let's cut back on these everyday punch/talk/punch scenes and go all out on the end of the arc (though i hope they go all out on the next arc, there's LOADS to look forward to |
| just cuz the fight scenes are "well animated" doesnt make up for the rest of the episode... plus no one fights that fucking slowly... i have no problems plot wise, ITS ONE PIECE, if i didnt like the plot i wouldnt be watching... the main problems are like characters being almost sloppily drawn, the picture of nami above being a good example... moving in awkward ways, theres been so many times where the characters will move and just be awkwardly still... and the pace of the overall show, ITS JUST WAY TOO SLOW... at this point id rather they take a break or make a filler arc so they can make better quality episodes for the actual story... and one piece from the old days was waaay better animated in my opinion. cp9 arc was one of the best animated arcs ive seen for one piece |
Shaduge said: maybe because it's just the FI arc, I mean even the animators must have gotten bored and stopped doing their work without passion ok wait you aren't talking about the quality but about the fillers? I have to agree, since the supernova arc they've been adding small filler moments in each episode in order to not have any filler arc, well that sucks because I want 100% manga I don't want them to change anything, they can just add a filler arc that I will just skip for example I went to one piece wikia to compare last ep with the correspondent chapter, besides the additions of the anime, these guys tend to change the manga: >In manga Ikaros announced his dislike for Luffy calling Kraken Surume, but in the anime he didn't say anything about it. >When Zoro and Sanji repelled Dosun and Ikaros Much in the manga, the two officers were seen knocked to the ground. In the anime, they are merely pushed back. >In the anime, Luffy uses Gear Second to attack Hody, while in the manga he achieved such speed without it The stuff you mentioned does not affect the plot in any way at all, why so picky? so someone got pushed back instead of being knocked down, why does that matter? xD as far as the plot is concerned it is perfectly adapted. All the content from the manga is in there (all the stuff that matters) theres just bits in between that drag it out and its making the arc that isnt that good in the first place that much worse xD The pacing is really bad atm i watch a whole episode and feel nothing has happened except we found out a tiny detail xD started reading it instead xD I think they should have just paced it faster and made a filler arc at the end. |
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MasterKingJC said: Shaduge said: because they are adding material to make the episodes longer but they still didn't include everything in the manga chapters, this was just an example the other episodes are even worse than this. And if you consider all these minor things in each episode, if you rewatch the arc you'll notice it's a lot different from the manga. It's the best selling manga of all time, it's only natural ppl want an adaptation as close as possible to the manga The anime has always been following the manga for the most part. It's an ADAPTATION. It's going to be close to the manga, but there are some things that can't be added to the anime (i.e. Zeff eating his leg, Whitebeard losing half of his face, Luffy stabbing his cheek). Sometimes people don't get what they want. That's life. Why would an episode be horrible due to not including those little things that have no relevancy to the plot? I don't even understand the logic you're making. Exactly, since the beginning of the anime they have been censoring, not including, and changing things. It's nothing new, especially now that One piece gets a lot more viewers, and some people even watch it with their family. Here is the guide for anyone else thinking that changing things is new http://onepiece.wikia.com/wiki/Manga_and_Anime_Difference_Guide I understand long running anime's budgets need to be spread out and they won't have animation as good as seasonal shows but still, that's not an excuse to slack off and do a bad job. Bleach had good animation, Naruto is good most of the time (apart from the occasional stick-hands) and they are pretty long. MasterKingJC said: Naruto and Bleach are produced by TV Tokyo, while One Piece is produced by Toei Animation. Two completely different companies. Toei Animation is well known for being cheap and stingy at times, but they can still create high-quality animation when the time calls for it. And maybe you should take into consideration that Toei has been producing a One Piece movie and a 2-hour Nami special, while also working on the anime. Not to mention that Bleach and Naruto even HxH have more human looking characters. When the show first started Sanji's and Luffy's face were almost completely round from the front, and half of the characters are not human(fishman, mermaid, animals, brook, robots etc). And how do you know that they are slacking off? You don't know their circumstances, there could be many reasons that you don't know of. And while the movie and the special could be a factor, isn't there a movie every year. I checked the wikia and each one piece movie before strong world(1-9) was released in theaters in the beginning of march every year, for strong world and Z it takes like a year and ten months to make a movie, with strong world and Z released or releasing in the middle of december. I don't know how much money the show makes but Strong World made more money than the other movies and led to a significant increase in manga sales from all volumes( set records in the box office). And the making of strong world is close to the time that everybody is saying that they noticed the animation dropping. While I don't read the manga, I have been watching the anime since the Enies Lobby arc, I was spoiled of course to the haki event in FI and was really looking forward to it, but what came was mixed feelings. While you could feel the atmosphere that they wanted, the number of people falling was not nearly enough, it felt like one of those old warrior dramas when they talked about how many thousands of soldiers they had but only showed like 100 in battle. But then again manga is different than anime, it's a lot easier to draw it in a couple of panels than to animate it. I don't really care about the pacing, I don't read the manga so it doesn't bother me. But if everybody is saying that it is getting closer to the manga and should get a filler, then I hope that they don't give us one in the middle of an arc, bleach did that(enough said). One of the good things about One Piece is the number of fillers and that they only put fillers at the end of an arc and almost never above 10 episodes, that saying I wouldn't mind a little bit longer filler arc as long as they don't have them fighting so it feels like a regular arc, like bleach did(again). |
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| Hmm, Toei working on a movie and a special at the same time as the series would be a viable reason for their recent job. I do feel bad for those guys, as they do work really hard over there, but at the same time i cant help but feel disappointed whenever i watch an episode like how theyve been making them. Toei seriously cant catch a break, haha people are going to complain no matter what... -No filler? then the pace is too slow -then if they put filler people start complaining that theres filler -the only other method would be to take a break completely, but then people would complain about that too Toei just cant win against the fans and it makes me kind of sad |
Aside from me being a fanboy myself, it is still the highest selling manga of all time. I think that alone should earn it an adaption that does it justice. It has one and until we can industrialize anime production with robotics there will always be fluctuations in quality for a variety of reasonings. So don't go screaming the sky is falling over a few off-model frames for some characters. |
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| It doesn't matter how hard they are working. I would understand it if the quality was consistent but low- and it continued to be low. That wouldn't gather complaints. Fact is that we have seen some great quality for the anime, and we should continue seeing it. There needs to be consistency. Once we get a taste for how good the quality can get- we want it that way permanently. I don't care if there's a movie and a special coming out- fact is that they are neglecting their work. I have been watching OP weekly (and reading it weekly) since Thriller Bark. I was able to watch OP weekly through thriller, and all the arcs afterwards. I love One Piece so much. Fact is, ever since we got to FI- I dropped the anime for bulk. I am currently watching the FI arc... and I'm dragging it out completely. It is so boring and dragged. It's so empty and flat. I read it in the manga and I wasn't much of a fan. That being said, it was the same for Thriller, yet Thriller I continued to watch weekly. FI arc is just too horribly boring animated In the manga, there were some great scenes... and it is completely butchered in the anime... I can't wait for the movie and the special. I want it right now! That being said, they should not neglect the original. I don't care how hard they are working- the final piece is what matters- and in this case- they are doing a horrible job. -- About improper adaptation- It's not that they left out stupid and unimportant parts. Fact is that the episodes are completely dragged and empty- thus they had no reason to leave those parts out. It wasn't like it was improper like Whitebeard's face or Zeff's leg. They just didn't want to add it.... why? I can say that it's because they were lazy- but that may not be the truth. Either way, they had no reason to leave it out. |
| These are the type of threads(Japanese 2ch version) that cause Gintama and Beelzebub to "take a break." Fans+criticism= Cancellation? OH NO!! :O |
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| I don't want there to be a break! I love One Piece!!! During the time I wasn't watching the series weekly- I was rewatching the series yet again! (Instead of cramming the episodes, I watched the episodes slowly since January). I'm just saying that they shouldn't try to handle more then they can take. I can't wait for the special and movie, but they should have pushed them back further and made sure that the actual anime series is taken care of correctly. Don't take three tasks when you can't promise the best quality possible for ALL of them. BTW- I only read the manga (since thriller) cause I can't wait to see what happens in the future. I personally like the anime more than the manga and if the manga wasn't ahead, I wouldn't be reading it. I love the anime voices and director and effects, etc. I don't want it cancelled AT ALL!!!! :( I'm just saying that they should make the anime series much more of a priority than the movie and the special. I understand that the movie brings many more fans, increases sales incredibly, and brings an enormous amount of revenue... but honestly, don't freaking neglect the original and main piece. That being said, I want the dam OP Film Z out NOWWWWWW lmao. |
DarkAngelz said: I'm just saying that they shouldn't try to handle more then they can take. I can't wait for the special and movie, but they should have pushed them back further and made sure that the actual anime series is taken care of correctly. Don't take three tasks when you can't promise the best quality possible for ALL of them. I'm just saying that they should make the anime series much more of a priority than the movie and the special. I understand that the movie brings many more fans, increases sales incredibly, and brings an enormous amount of revenue... but honestly, don't freaking neglect the original and main piece. That being said, I want the dam OP Film Z out NOWWWWWW lmao. Well making anime is all about making money, that's why the animators don't get paid very much and have to work a lot, and I don't know if japanese fans are complaining about the quality, which could possibly influence them to refocus their resources if that is the problem. They put out a movie around the same time every year, with Strong world and Z taking longer and possibly putting more effort into them than the others because they realized how much money they make. And you said it yourself the movie brings more money, fans, and manga sales, that's what they want. If the japanese fans aren't complaining then it won't matter because we basically are all watching it on the internet for free. You can't have something without sacrificing something, you want the movie but you also want them to keep up the quality, and that might be impossible with the money they get. The truth is, is that while we can speculate what the problem might be, we could be completely wrong. It could be something that they have no control over, and may be trying to overcome themselves. It could also be because it's the start of the new world, all of the characters have changed, and the next islands could be some sort of priority since most people seem to say that fishman island isn't that good of an arc. |
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| That's true. I just think that maybe they should have pushed the movie back a little bit more... maybe to January of further, if it would help the current arc in the anime with quality. The effects for the new movie look so awesome (as well as the quality)- I just wished that it wouldnt affect the main anime series as much as it has. |
| I think they are drawnig much better than before, it's just that the more detailed the characters are, the harder it is to animate them. And the animators don't make that much money to be spending so much of their extra time it. |
| I've been thinking the same since a while ago.It's been pretty awful, even more so lately.I've been following the anime weekly since 2009 and it wasn't nearly as bad. |
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| Yeah. It's just the pacing... it's so boring. There's also something missing. I'm not exactly sure what, but the OP flare... that special thing about OP that makes you want to watch it over and over even if you've seen it a million and one times... that special thing that makes you want to watch it even if you've already read it... that something... is just missing.... :( It's still One Piece in every way possible... but something is just gone... It's not the content I am talking about... it's... the directing... something is definitely different... and I hope it comes back by the time punk hazard comes around :P Edit: Maybe it's the music... I still have to watch 20 eps to update (Like mentioned earlier I have started watching FI in bulk... first arc ever that I'm not watching weekly -.- )... I'ma have to inspect the anime to find out what exactly it is that's missing... |
DarkAngelz said: That's true. I just think that maybe they should have pushed the movie back a little bit more... maybe to January of further, if it would help the current arc in the anime with quality. The effects for the new movie look so awesome (as well as the quality)- I just wished that it wouldn't affect the main anime series as much as it has. I think they might have some obligation or some sort of contract, because before strong world each movie was released between march 1st to 10th. and with strong world and z it's in December around the 15th. I think there is something different with Strong world and Z because they get like 10 months more to finish the movie than the ones before strong world. All long running shounen anime usually release a movie every year. And like I said before the 8th movie came out in march of 08 that's at the beginning of thriller bark, isn't it after enies lobby that people have been saying that the quality has been dropping, which could coincide with Strong World being made. |
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IntroverTurtle said: DarkAngelz said: That's true. I just think that maybe they should have pushed the movie back a little bit more... maybe to January of further, if it would help the current arc in the anime with quality. The effects for the new movie look so awesome (as well as the quality)- I just wished that it wouldn't affect the main anime series as much as it has. I think they might have some obligation or some sort of contract, because before strong world each movie was released between march 1st to 10th. and with strong world and z it's in December around the 15th. I think there is something different with Strong world and Z because they get like 10 months more to finish the movie than the ones before strong world. All long running shounen anime usually release a movie every year. And like I said before the 8th movie came out in march of 08 that's at the beginning of thriller bark, isn't it after enies lobby that people have been saying that the quality has been dropping, which could coincide with Strong World being made. It's all about the money. Meh -.- |
| I've never had/noticed any issues with the animation, but the drawing. I hate most of their new looks after the time skip, except Luffy, Zoro, Robin and Nami. Sanji is alright, but I don't like his beard and the rest just look too ridiculous. |
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| the animation is pretty poor, even in the opening the framerate isn't smooth.. |
| The anime gonna make Punk Hazard look bad.... I already disliked how they made Zoro cut the dragon, in the manga was shown more epic. I hope the animations goes better when "that person" appears. |
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| I dropped One Piece almost 2 years ago and honesty it hasn't got any better. I also dropped the manga over a year ago when the got into dress rosa and guess what....................... they are still there :/ |
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Fierce_Deity22 said: Dressrossa will end in 2016 (the anime version). Either spring or summer. See you then. Personally, I now watch One Piece in bundles of 4/5 episodes since I believe that is the number of episodes of One Piece that have the content of one normally paced episode.I dropped One Piece almost 2 years ago and honesty it hasn't got any better. I also dropped the manga over a year ago when the got into dress rosa and guess what....................... they are still there :/ |
Agafin said: Fierce_Deity22 said: Dressrossa will end in 2016 (the anime version). Either spring or summer. See you then. Personally, I now watch One Piece in bundles of 4/5 episodes since I believe that is the number of episodes of One Piece that have the content of one normally paced episode.I dropped One Piece almost 2 years ago and honesty it hasn't got any better. I also dropped the manga over a year ago when the got into dress rosa and guess what....................... they are still there :/ I only bother watching OP when at least 70 episodes have "gathered" up,watching it on a weekly basis is just beyond unsatisfactory and unrewarding. |
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amateur said: Lol, so basically... a per arc schedule? Well, the pacing has certainly gone to shit lately.Agafin said: Dressrossa will end in 2016 (the anime version). Either spring or summer. See you then. Personally, I now watch One Piece in bundles of 4/5 episodes since I believe that is the number of episodes of One Piece that have the content of one normally paced episode. I only bother watching OP when at least 70 episodes have "gathered" up,watching it on a weekly basis is just beyond unsatisfactory and unrewarding. |
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