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Jun 16, 2012 10:16 AM
#51
NNick said: ssjokg said: NNick said: Who's Shirou? Maybe this episode wasn't good for people who have watched/read other fate products or whatever, you know, like when Harry Potter fans say books are better than movies. Fate/stay night main char. If you dont feel like entire scenes were missing then ok. kenshin_sama said: Destruction of the grail, love it! Still don't agree with Lancelot as Berserker, that really threw out any love I had for this series. >.< Why? Yeah, just rewatched it again, it was pretty, random, but hell, its Berserker, who cares. Everything else was amazing though. I CARE. I mean hell, it's frekin Lancelot, one of the greatest knights I've read about. And he shows great loyalty to King Arthur too, I really don't feel like this concept should have been walked on unless it was ABSOLUTELY necessary (which in this case I felt could have been left out). Not only was the treachery a bad enough mess of his character, they make him into a mindless fighter fuck that does not fit his character at all. I probably could have overlooked this if they at least made some more interesting development from this twist, but they just kind of threw it in there and nothing good came from it at all. =/ |
Jun 16, 2012 10:17 AM
#52
If Ufo think this ep is too long to show the OP, why couldn't they cut the ED as well T.T That was 1m30s of showtime wasted. They could have made the Berserker scene a little more acceptable with that. Also, Kiri heartbreakingly killed Iri in this ep already, so please, Ufotable, you can stop showing them happily together in the ED now. |
Jun 16, 2012 10:19 AM
#53
kenshin_sama said: NNick said: ssjokg said: NNick said: Who's Shirou? Maybe this episode wasn't good for people who have watched/read other fate products or whatever, you know, like when Harry Potter fans say books are better than movies. Fate/stay night main char. If you dont feel like entire scenes were missing then ok. kenshin_sama said: Destruction of the grail, love it! Still don't agree with Lancelot as Berserker, that really threw out any love I had for this series. >.< Why? Yeah, just rewatched it again, it was pretty, random, but hell, its Berserker, who cares. Everything else was amazing though. I CARE. I mean hell, it's frekin Lancelot, one of the greatest knights I've read about. And he shows great loyalty to King Arthur too, I really don't feel like this concept should have been walked on unless it was ABSOLUTELY necessary (which in this case I felt could have been left out). Not only was the treachery a bad enough mess of his character, they make him into a mindless fighter fuck that does not fit his character at all. I probably could have overlooked this if they at least made some more interesting development from this twist, but they just kind of threw it in there and nothing good came from it at all. =/ One of the things that were cut were what made Lancelot fit in the Berserker class without making him a treacherous bastard.Also his death in the LN shows how royal he was |
Jun 16, 2012 10:20 AM
#54
Hopefully i don't get banned or something for saying this , but where can i get LN? ___________________________________________________ Fate Stay Night looks even worse than Fate Zero, for me, worse animation and , idk, looks just weird. |
Jun 16, 2012 10:21 AM
#55
kenshin_sama said: NNick said: ssjokg said: NNick said: Who's Shirou? Maybe this episode wasn't good for people who have watched/read other fate products or whatever, you know, like when Harry Potter fans say books are better than movies. Fate/stay night main char. If you dont feel like entire scenes were missing then ok. kenshin_sama said: Destruction of the grail, love it! Still don't agree with Lancelot as Berserker, that really threw out any love I had for this series. >.< Why? Yeah, just rewatched it again, it was pretty, random, but hell, its Berserker, who cares. Everything else was amazing though. I CARE. I mean hell, it's frekin Lancelot, one of the greatest knights I've read about. And he shows great loyalty to King Arthur too, I really don't feel like this concept should have been walked on unless it was ABSOLUTELY necessary (which in this case I felt could have been left out). Not only was the treachery a bad enough mess of his character, they make him into a mindless fighter fuck that does not fit his character at all. I probably could have overlooked this if they at least made some more interesting development from this twist, but they just kind of threw it in there and nothing good came from it at all. =/ it's UFOTABLE'S FAULT. They cut his flashback. You can start insulting them now. |
Jun 16, 2012 10:22 AM
#56
Even tho that wasn't the real Iri and Ilya that was still heartbreaking ;_; and Sabers scream at the end :( |
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Jun 16, 2012 10:23 AM
#57
NNick said: Hopefully i don't get banned or something for saying this , but where can i get LN? ___________________________________________________ Fate Stay Night looks even worse than Fate Zero, for me, worse animation and , idk, looks just weird. No shit,FSN anime is worse than FZ?I dont fucking believe you |
Jun 16, 2012 10:24 AM
#58
ssjokg said: No shit,FSN anime is worse than FZ?I dont fucking believe you FSN anime is way way worse than Fate/Zero. It's not even comparable. |
Jun 16, 2012 10:25 AM
#59
NNick said: Hopefully i don't get banned or something for saying this , but where can i get LN? ___________________________________________________ Fate Stay Night looks even worse than Fate Zero, for me, worse animation and , idk, looks just weird. DON'T WATCH FATE/STAY NIGHT ANIME, actually, stay away from it as far as you can or you may get herps. |
Jun 16, 2012 10:28 AM
#60
ssjokg said: NNick said: Hopefully i don't get banned or something for saying this , but where can i get LN? ___________________________________________________ Fate Stay Night looks even worse than Fate Zero, for me, worse animation and , idk, looks just weird. No shit,FSN anime is worse than FZ?I dont fucking believe you How could FSN be worse than FZ? Yeah sure FZ is epic and all but FSN would be at least on par with FZ. Back on the episode, ufotable..why? why would you do this to all the fans out there? We were all expecting something great and they just trolled every fans out there with the half assed berserker scene.I dont mind they left out abit of the kirei punch as most of the fighting scenes are done nicely but at least give me back my berserker plot! They needed 13 episodes for this second season, 12 just wont cut it. |
Jun 16, 2012 10:30 AM
#61
Kiev said: ssjokg said: NNick said: Hopefully i don't get banned or something for saying this , but where can i get LN? ___________________________________________________ Fate Stay Night looks even worse than Fate Zero, for me, worse animation and , idk, looks just weird. No shit,FSN anime is worse than FZ?I dont fucking believe you How could FSN be worse than FZ? Yeah sure FZ is epic and all but FSN would be at least on par with FZ. Back on the episode, ufotable..why? why would you do this to all the fans out there? We were all expecting something great and they just trolled every fans out there with the half assed berserker scene.I dont mind they left out abit of the kirei punch as most of the fighting scenes are done nicely but at least give me back my berserker plot! They needed 13 episodes for this second season, 12 just wont cut it. You mean to say that FSN anime is on par with FZ anime?How is that even possible? |
Jun 16, 2012 10:31 AM
#62
:D , I thought people here liked FSN more than FZ , guess i was wrong. ________________________________________________________ Aw, LN is like 1000 pages, my eyes... So i should read LN first then Visual Novel? |
Jun 16, 2012 10:33 AM
#63
NNick said: :D , I thought people here liked FSN more than FZ , guess i was wrong. ________________________________________________________ Aw, LN is like 1000 pages, my eyes... So i should read LN firsts then Visual Novel? The FSN Visual novel vs FZ LN preference depends to the person.But FZ anime isnt anywhere near the trash FSN anime is. Since you watched the anime, it doesnt really matter now |
Jun 16, 2012 10:34 AM
#64
ssjokg said: You mean to say that FSN anime is on par with FZ anime?How is that even possible? Scrap that, my bad. I didnt mean that in a anime point of view, but the plot point of view :( |
Jun 16, 2012 10:34 AM
#65
NNick said: Well the F/SN anime is REALLY badly done. Plus Studio Deen chose the least interesting of the three storylines to animate. If Ufotable decided to animate Heaven's Feel perfectly maybe people would like that as much if not more than Fate Zero.:D , I thought people here liked FSN more than FZ , guess i was wrong. ________________________________________________________ Aw, LN is like 1000 pages, my eyes... So i should read LN firsts then Visual Novel? Anyway, I really didn't like the rushed feel of this episode. Plus they screwed up with the punching through the bullet thing. :'( Lancelot v. Saber was ended pathetically. The whole Grail scene was also really rushed. Bleh. I'm guessing they're going to add the 5 years later and the 10 years later parts then. |
Jun 16, 2012 10:34 AM
#66
It depends, if you wanna do things by release order you'd read the VN and then the LN. But to be honest, it doesn't really matter, each spoils some plot points of the other. (That's not to mean you get to know the whole story though.) EDIT: I'm really sad to see the reactions from novel readers are bad. As always, I'm waiting for UTW's subs but... well, I guess I won't be as disappointed this way. |
Jun 16, 2012 10:35 AM
#68
Kiev said: ssjokg said: NNick said: Hopefully i don't get banned or something for saying this , but where can i get LN? ___________________________________________________ Fate Stay Night looks even worse than Fate Zero, for me, worse animation and , idk, looks just weird. No shit,FSN anime is worse than FZ?I dont fucking believe you How could FSN be worse than FZ? Yeah sure FZ is epic and all but FSN would be at least on par with FZ. Back on the episode, ufotable..why? why would you do this to all the fans out there? We were all expecting something great and they just trolled every fans out there with the half assed berserker scene.I dont mind they left out abit of the kirei punch as most of the fighting scenes are done nicely but at least give me back my berserker plot! They needed 13 episodes for this second season, 12 just wont cut it. Comparing Fate/Zero anime to Fate/stay night anime is like comparing gold to brick. Let's stop with this nonsense since it's not even funny. |
Jun 16, 2012 10:37 AM
#69
Back on topic. Even thought some parts were cut out, i still strongly believe that Fate Zero is way ahead of other 99% piece of crap anime. +∞ interwebs to creators . whatevn said: nnick why do you continue to talk Please, just stop What If I Dont? |
Jun 16, 2012 10:37 AM
#70
Kiev said: ssjokg said: You mean to say that FSN anime is on par with FZ anime?How is that even possible? Scrap that, my bad. I didnt mean that in a anime point of view, but the plot point of view :( Well if you were to ask me which I prefer I wouldnt know what to say...There are things I like and dislike in both of them. |
Jun 16, 2012 10:38 AM
#71
Lumathy said: Comparing Fate/Zero anime to Fate/stay night anime is like comparing gold to brick. Let's stop with this nonsense since it's not even funny. Kiev said: ssjokg said: You mean to say that FSN anime is on par with FZ anime?How is that even possible? Scrap that, my bad. I didnt mean that in a anime point of view, but the plot point of view :( |
Jun 16, 2012 10:39 AM
#72
Jun 16, 2012 10:40 AM
#73
ssjokg said: Kiev said: ssjokg said: You mean to say that FSN anime is on par with FZ anime?How is that even possible? Scrap that, my bad. I didnt mean that in a anime point of view, but the plot point of view :( Well if you were to ask me which I prefer I wouldnt know what to say...There are things I like and dislike in both of them. I would probably prefer FZ a little bit more compare to FSN though..But still hands down to ufotable they did a great job animating the series, although its not perfect, it was close. |
Jun 16, 2012 10:40 AM
#74
Ugh. This is why they shouldn't have wasted time with inappropriate focus on Rin and Kiritsugu flashback episodes. Awful pacing strikes again. |
Jun 16, 2012 10:42 AM
#75
Thess said: Ugh. This is why they shouldn't have wasted time with inappropriate focus on Rin and Kiritsugu flashback episodes. Awful pacing strikes again. Simply awful pacing would be a blessing... |
Jun 16, 2012 10:47 AM
#76
Thess said: Rin episode was enjoyable but yeah, it was pretty much pointless, specially considering how the best part was the dialogue between Aoi and Kariya, which was cut in favor of original Rin cuteness.Ugh. This is why they shouldn't have wasted time with inappropriate focus on Rin and Kiritsugu flashback episodes. Awful pacing strikes again. Kiritsugu's development was really important but... considering the time they had they could have made it only one episode rather than two. |
Jun 16, 2012 10:49 AM
#77
Dusk252 said: Thess said: Rin episode was enjoyable but yeah, it was pretty much pointless, specially considering how the best part was the dialogue between Aoi and Kariya, which was cut in favor of original Rin cuteness.Ugh. This is why they shouldn't have wasted time with inappropriate focus on Rin and Kiritsugu flashback episodes. Awful pacing strikes again. Kiritsugu's development was really important but... considering the time they had they could have made it only one episode rather than two. I would say they are just going to make the BR version 30-ish minutes long :P |
Jun 16, 2012 10:50 AM
#78
No, the amount of content would only fill up half an episode, and having that separate from everything else that's going on would screw up the pacing more than the TV edits did. By the way, ufotable did confirm that this episode was cut for time, and the original version with OP will be included in the blu-ray. https://twitter.com/hikaruufo/status/214021914283352064 |
Jun 16, 2012 10:51 AM
#79
Dusk252 said: Thess said: Rin episode was enjoyable but yeah, it was pretty much pointless, specially considering how the best part was the dialogue between Aoi and Kariya, which was cut in favor of original Rin cuteness.Ugh. This is why they shouldn't have wasted time with inappropriate focus on Rin and Kiritsugu flashback episodes. Awful pacing strikes again. Kiritsugu's development was really important but... considering the time they had they could have made it only one episode rather than two. They could have used another method (flashback dreams in between episodes) rather than stretching a short interlude so much to make TWO episodes. Or add them as special bonus in the bluray set I (since it technically was an interlude). Or they could have made a series of 26 episodes, with episode 26 as 40 minutes long finale as the beginning. Eh, anyway, still doesn't excuse of why didn't Saber get her ass kicked by Berserker until he decided to throw himself into her sword. Then again, they didn't make obvious Rider lost his chariot because he chose to prioritize Waver. Trying to make her appear winning her battles fairly rather than "the enemy wanted/was weakened" as Gen wrote them (aside of Caster)? |
Jun 16, 2012 10:52 AM
#80
InsaneZero said: No, the amount of content would only fill up half an episode, and having that separate from everything else that's going on would screw up the pacing more than the TV edits did. By the way, ufotable did confirm that this episode was cut for time, and the original version with OP will be included in the blu-ray. https://twitter.com/hikaruufo/status/214021914283352064 The point is, how much from what they animated was cut from this ep? |
Jun 16, 2012 10:52 AM
#81
InsaneZero said: No, the amount of content would only fill up half an episode, and having that separate from everything else that's going on would screw up the pacing more than the TV edits did. By the way, ufotable did confirm that this episode was cut for time, and the original version with OP will be included in the blu-ray. https://twitter.com/hikaruufo/status/214021914283352064 Been their plot all along to make us buy the blu rays, like all the other anime out there would. :( gotta fork up some cash again |
Jun 16, 2012 10:56 AM
#83
Such a shame. Arturia vs Lancelot was much more emotional in the novel. Way to butcher it up. It's fine though. It was still enjoyable. The Ilya/Iri scene was fantastically done. If they had done it 50 minutes like the 1st episode, the pacing wouldve been perfect. It was rushed and cut, but oh well. Will watch the BD release. Still, it was a great episode. |
Jun 16, 2012 10:57 AM
#84
ssjokg said: InsaneZero said: No, the amount of content would only fill up half an episode, and having that separate from everything else that's going on would screw up the pacing more than the TV edits did. By the way, ufotable did confirm that this episode was cut for time, and the original version with OP will be included in the blu-ray. https://twitter.com/hikaruufo/status/214021914283352064 The point is, how much from what they animated was cut from this ep? Judging from the episode, about 5 to 10 minutes. It's very evident that there's a lot of content that's been cut, to the point where two scenes back to back aren't consistent at all. The biggest one is the fact that Lancelot somehow managed to jump into Saber's sword, like Thess pointed out. |
Jun 16, 2012 10:57 AM
#85
By the way, the lack of a Emiya remix is disturbing. |
Jun 16, 2012 10:59 AM
#86
InsaneZero said: ssjokg said: InsaneZero said: No, the amount of content would only fill up half an episode, and having that separate from everything else that's going on would screw up the pacing more than the TV edits did. By the way, ufotable did confirm that this episode was cut for time, and the original version with OP will be included in the blu-ray. https://twitter.com/hikaruufo/status/214021914283352064 The point is, how much from what they animated was cut from this ep? Judging from the episode, about 5 to 10 minutes. It's very evident that there's a lot of content that's been cut, to the point where two scenes back to back aren't consistent at all. The biggest one is the fact that Lancelot somehow managed to jump into Saber's sword, like Thess pointed out. the conclusion to Saber and Lancelot's fight was worse than any shounen series were the main char wins just because he/she is the main character |
Jun 16, 2012 11:01 AM
#87
Lancelot vs Arturia novel scene (yes, I'm pissed, since it was one of my favorite scenes), it removes a lot of her motivation of FSN without it! "Stop!!” Relying on the last of her reason, Saber blocked the black sword that fell heavily down; at the same time, she used all her strength to shout. "Stop… please…” Within the sound of sobbing, her knees fell weakly to the ground. She couldn’t move; she had reached her limit. There was no way to defend against the next attack. Perhaps this was the only salvation. Since he was thus unwilling, thus filled with hatred—in that case, apart from using her body to receive the sharp sword that he swung, there was no other method of recompense. At the exact moment that Saber decided to completely abandon resistance—suddenly, Berserker stopped moving. Saber and Berserker could not have known that about ten seconds ago, the Crest Worms within the body of Kariya — who was hiding in the equipment room of the underground parking area – had ceased their activity. In order to sustain Berserker in the physical reality, the prana in Kariya’s body — which had already been in short supply — was absorbed in great amounts, and this need for prana was multiplied manifold when the final Noble Phantasm was unleashed. Finally, the Crest Worms were exhausted by their too-heavy burden. And the backup prana, that could originally have sustained the Servant in physical form for several hours in the circumstance that the Master was not around, had also been consumed completely in ten seconds due to Berserker’s outburst (1). In this instant, the prana that drove this killing machine suddenly dried up, causing Berserker to come to an emergency halt as if having malfunctioned. In the abrupt silence, Saber’s hand could clearly feel Berserker’s gradually fading heartbeat. The hilt of her sword tightly gripped in her hand, the sharp blade of her beloved sword pierced the black armor. This ending was truly too ironic; who could have foreseen it? In this fleeting instant, the victory had been decided; a slight feeling of greed made Saber ashamed of herself, and she could not but shed tears. She knew that she should not have killed him, but had nevertheless struck a killing blow on this person that should not have been killed. Now Saber was only a prisoner to an idea—just like Diarmuid had rebuked her at the last moment, she who had stepped over countless corpses desired only the miracles of the wish-granting machine. This was the truest face of Saber in this moment. "Even thus, I still want the Grail.” Tears fell onto trembling gauntlets, mingling with the blood of Berserker which had slid down the blade. "If I do not do this, my friend… If I do not do this, then I will be unable to give you any sort of recompense at all.” "—Saddening indeed. Things have come to this, and you still make excuses to fight?” A voice that inspired nostalgia. She raised her head to look across. The knight’s gaze was just as it was before, calm as the tranquil surface of a lake as he looked upon the King’s tear-stained face. Having discarded the contract with his Master, in the time before he vanished, he had been released from the spell of madness. "Lancelot…” "Yes… Thank you. Perhaps, this is the only way I can convey my longing.” Looking upon the sword that pierced his body with a gaze filled with compassion, Lancelot smiled wryly as he continued to speak. "Actually… at that time I had hoped that you would personally punish me. My King… At that time I really wished that you would denounce me out of your own anger…” The traitor knight, Lancelot who was called the culprit of the split of the Round Table — thus he spoke with sorrow to his only friend, who had never blamed him even until the very end. "If I could have been punished by you… If you had demanded recompense from me… Then I would definitely believe in redemption… I would definitely believe that one day I can find a way to forgive myself. … The Queen is probably the same…” This was—the regret of one man and one woman. They embraced the same ideal as the King, but because they had been too weak, they had not been able to carry this ideal through. And these two people had, even in death, not been able to obtain salvation. They had blamed themselves deeply for having betrayed a most important person, and the burden of this self-blame they had carried for a lifetime. Pain such as this—to whom could it have been told? Exactly what kind of admonishment, and dealt to whom, could have given them respite? Sighing deeply, Lancelot relaxed his body, falling into the embrace of the King. The body in her arms was very light; Saber could not but feel a lump in her throat. The Servant’s gradually fading body seemed to be almost weightless. "Even though it is in this way, in the end I still did borrow your chest…” As if dreaming during a nap, the Knight of the Lake quietly whispered and sighed. "To die in the King’s arms, before the King’s eyes… haha, like this it is really… as if I am a loyal knight…” "You - shouldn't say that - " Saber anxiously answered. Before he disappeared, there was something that she needed to tell him. She hoped that he would understand. Not ‘as if’. It was ‘indeed is’. She wanted to tell him, you are a loyal knight. No one knows better than I—the sincerity you devoted to the country, to the King. So there was no more need for self-reproach. Even if it had been a mistake that was not allowed to be made—your character is not something that can be overturned by a single mistake. I don’t want to shame you; I don’t want to lose you. Precisely because I have this wish, I can truly deny this so-called crime that you have committed. These were Arturia’s true thoughts, but—could not become that knight’s salvation. The knight closed his eyes as if sleeping soundly; his body was gradually dissipating. Saber saw that he was about to vanish, but nevertheless could not think of what would be the right thing to say. "Lancelot, actually you…!” You are not a sinner—but what significance would such words still hold for him? Even if someone denied his crime, the one most caught up in this wrongdoing was not anyone else, but Lancelot himself. Why had she been unaware of this lonely thought of his? Why had she been unable to release the noble spirit of this knight from a self-reproach that bordered on madness? —A King will not understand someone else’s feelings— These words that she had heard as she left the Round Table—who had spoken them? The knight’s dead body did not say anything more; alongside the last remaining light, he vanished. "—wait… wait… Lance—“ Staring at the crook of her arm that had lost its weight and was now empty, Saber began sobbing. She could not even make a sound. She did not allow herself to make even the slightest sound. In the last moment that she had been facing a loyal knight, she had actually been unable to say even a word of reassurance—then what right had she to cry now? A King can only be lonely and proud— This she had said to herself; as she searched for the path to her kingdom’s salvation, exactly how many people’s opinions and troubles had she neglected? Gawain who had heroically sacrificed himself, Galahad who had lost his life in the line of duty—what did they think of, in their last moment? Did they leave this world with the same regret and unwillingness? Why was she so certain that that was not true? Saber cried soundlessly, tormented as if countless thorns were piercing her heart. Could it be that she as a King should never have been high above— If things had been thus, would it not have brought about a broken end? Could everyone be saved? |
Jun 16, 2012 11:02 AM
#88
Another excellent episode and it seems to me the whole Irisviel shit was illusionnary at most. Kirei still retains the real killer deal. My thoughts follow. About the beginning, the beginning was totally KICKASS in the spoiler About Saber VS Berserker, although short lived in the spoiler About Kiritsugu VS Kirei, one of the most remarkable things of the fight from the start in the spoiler Kirei got something nice for killing Irisviel! DAMN BASTARD! I was very happy to see him at least get a nice wound like that. In the follow up in the spoiler About Irisviel x Kiritsugu, FUCKED UP! Really resumes the whole segment itself. I knew it was kind of a illusionnary thing. I could not believe shit like that happened so conveniently. Especially since Irisviel was already dead. One to remark is the Solar Eclipse in the spoiler Then comes interrupting this some weird shit! We have in the spoiler along with the spoiler About Kiritsugu VS Kirei part 2, well well in thee end looks like Kiritsugu kills Kirei in the spoiler About thee end of the episode, well well who do we have taking advantage of a weak Saber in the spoiler As the last phase in the spoiler As a final though Fuuuuuuuuu that illusions of Irisviel being killed by Kiritsugu. It was RAGING and DEPRESSING! BTW Nice Image of Alternate Saber I found in the spoiler (NSFW) around the net. Some GIFs of Kirei’s Jacky-Chan moves in the spoiler |
Yumekichi11Jun 16, 2012 11:06 AM
Jun 16, 2012 11:02 AM
#89
Now that I'm calm, some real thoughts about this ep: - KIREI >>>> Kiritsugu and this ep made it clear. The moment Kiritsugu got his ass kicked was such bliss for me~~ ~ YAH. That fight was definitely the highlight of this ep even though it could be done better. - The scene in the grail, since I don't like for Kiritsugu I don't rly feel anything special watching it. They did ok with this part I guess. - Duncare for Berserker so it was whatever, they trolled him & Kariya this ep but.. yeah, move on. - One of my most awaited scene, Saber vs Gil (not much of a fight alright), I was very disappointed. It was RUSHED, the art was ugly. Not enough Saber's tears of despair. Not enough Gil screen time (but at least with little time he had he was funny) - Dat last command seal was also rushed, they should just skipped the ED. |
Jun 16, 2012 11:02 AM
#90
Need the BD vers. NOW. Why the hell did they have to rush this whole episode?! Worst part was the Berserker vs. Saber fight I wished to see more dialouge between him and Saber when she stabbed him - I mean he had about 3 lines and then he disappeard.. At least those who like Kiritsugu won't hate this episode that much... Oh yeah, I forgot Where was Kariya's dream before he died?! |
DaisyDuck3008Jun 16, 2012 11:07 AM
Jun 16, 2012 11:07 AM
#91
Lumathy said: - Dat last command seal was also rushed, they should just skipped the ED. True. If they skipped the opening, why not the ending. That minute and 30 seconds could have been used for something better. |
Jun 16, 2012 11:08 AM
#92
DaisyDuck3008 said: Oh yeah, I forgot Where was Kariya's dream before he died?! About Kariya... He is still alive but he ran out of mana, that's why Berserker couldn't kill Saber. Next episode he will die though. |
Jun 16, 2012 11:09 AM
#93
DaisyDuck3008 said: Oh yeah, I forgot Where was Kariya's dream before he died?! That hasn't happened yet. |
Jun 16, 2012 11:10 AM
#94
ssjokg said: the conclusion to Saber and Lancelot's fight was worse than any shounen series were the main char wins just because he/she is the main character There was no other way to win against Lancelot though. He is the best fighter of her times. She knew she was done for. He wanted to lose, so that was her only salvation. And that Kariya was a bad master (but even then, he could have eaten other people's prana). |
Jun 16, 2012 11:10 AM
#95
Thess said: Dusk252 said: Thess said: Rin episode was enjoyable but yeah, it was pretty much pointless, specially considering how the best part was the dialogue between Aoi and Kariya, which was cut in favor of original Rin cuteness.Ugh. This is why they shouldn't have wasted time with inappropriate focus on Rin and Kiritsugu flashback episodes. Awful pacing strikes again. Kiritsugu's development was really important but... considering the time they had they could have made it only one episode rather than two. They could have used another method (flashback dreams in between episodes) rather than stretching a short interlude so much to make TWO episodes. Or add them as special bonus in the bluray set I (since it technically was an interlude). Or they could have made a series of 26 episodes, with episode 26 as 40 minutes long finale as the beginning. Eh, anyway, still doesn't excuse of why didn't Saber get her ass kicked by Berserker until he decided to throw himself into her sword. Then again, they didn't make obvious Rider lost his chariot because he chose to prioritize Waver. Trying to make her appear winning her battles fairly rather than "the enemy wanted/was weakened" as Gen wrote them (aside of Caster)? Well, I've been saying for ages that this should have been a double episode. Still, while I haven't seen it yet, it does seem by what you guys are saying that the battle between Saber and Berserker is pretty much butchered. And well, I Saber's willingness to give up is a pretty important thing on that scene - I don't know how they made it but I think I'll rage if it seems to be - as you say - a fair win. As for Rider, it's truth he prioritized Waver's safety, but it's not guaranteed he'd win otherwise. Besides, we only see Waver's opinion on the matter in the LN. I think that was actually a fair fight. Anyway, it does seem Saber's bullying has been taken down a notch in the anime, which I really don't appreciate. By the way, what about the scene with Gilgamesh - was that at least properly adapted? |
Jun 16, 2012 11:13 AM
#96
It was short (obviously) but still enjoyable. It was entertaining how Gil was making fun of Saber while using his Gate of Babylon on her. |
Jun 16, 2012 11:14 AM
#97
I don't really know why people are complaining about the adaptation being "butchered" when we've already seen in the first blu-ray release that everything that was cut was restored there. The only thing that's bad about it is that you'll end up having to wait a few more months. |
Jun 16, 2012 11:15 AM
#98
Jun 16, 2012 11:15 AM
#99
Linkark07 said: DaisyDuck3008 said: Oh yeah, I forgot Where was Kariya's dream before he died?! About Kariya... He is still alive but he ran out of mana, that's why Berserker couldn't kill Saber. Next episode he will die though. Thanks for telling, that rushed ep just confused me |
Jun 16, 2012 11:15 AM
#100
Thess said: ssjokg said: the conclusion to Saber and Lancelot's fight was worse than any shounen series were the main char wins just because he/she is the main character There was no other way to win against Lancelot though. He is the best fighter of her times. She knew she was done for. He wanted to lose, so that was her only salvation. And that Kariya was a bad master (but even then, he could have eaten other people's prana). I am talking about the anime.It was totally out of nowhere.In the LN at least you read how it happened.The anime just show Saber with her sword in Lancelot...wtf? |
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