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| THIS IS A MANGA ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS ANYTHING BEYOND THIS CHAPTER. ---------------------------------------- i actually really like this twist at the end. Tho i want to see how good the first sub was, considering the reaction to ichigo gettin bankai he shouldnt have, but then they wouldnt need ichigo. |
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| three weeks ago there was people who thought, that it stayed in Itchigo a few of his fullbring...I wonder if they are not right. I am keen to see the skills of Ginjou with the fullbring of Itchigo. They talk too much I want to see more actions right now. |
amenboy972Aug 24, 2011 7:46 AM
| Well now we know why the commander was so uptight with Ichigo, because Ginjou messed up that trust. I love the way this is going now. |
| Terrible, terrible and again terrible. This chapter was so filled to the brim with completely white panels, that I thought I was reading again Deicide. Because when you're one of the big 3, you can leave completely white pages and call it "art style". And again, we discover yet another fuck-up from the SS. I guess artificial souls, the Vizards and Rukia's trial weren't big enough failures, so we'll see another reason why SS is made by dumbasses. |
| It's surprising to see urahara at SS |
| ZOMMGGGGG it was amazing... ly retarded chapter. What the hell is this shit, seriously. |
| I definitely have superpowers. I can feel it in my balls. |
Arashi89 said: Terrible, terrible and again terrible. This chapter was so filled to the brim with completely white panels, that I thought I was reading again Deicide. Because when you're one of the big 3, you can leave completely white pages and call it "art style". Actually, its only Bleach (out of Naruto and One Piece, I assume you're talking about) that utilizes the blank page concept. The other two don't really do so, especially One Piece, where every panel is filled to the brim with detail and ink, for the most part. But man, c'mon. You don't like those sexy, blank pages of nothing? It's the background we're all clamoring for! Because the background in Bleach only consists of white space, of course. No trees, no houses, no nothing. =P |
Arashi89 said: Terrible, terrible and again terrible. This chapter was so filled to the brim with completely white panels, that I thought I was reading again Deicide. Because when you're one of the big 3, you can leave completely white pages and call it "art style". And again, we discover yet another fuck-up from the SS. I guess artificial souls, the Vizards and Rukia's trial weren't big enough failures, so we'll see another reason why SS is made by dumbasses. Yea... the only thing we had missing for your typical Bleach chapter was the foot panels. |
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Arashi89 said: Terrible, terrible and again terrible. This chapter was so filled to the brim with completely white panels, that I thought I was reading again Deicide. Because when you're one of the big 3, you can leave completely white pages and call it "art style". I'm sure it has some deeper meaning. Let's wait the usual bleach thread trolls to explain. "Incorrect, Kubo once said he doesn't give a fuck about art style." or "Kubo is genius who is giving us hints what is up to come using those "lines" similar to deicide." |
| I definitely have superpowers. I can feel it in my balls. |
wintercrush said: Well now we know why the commander was so uptight with Ichigo, because Ginjou messed up that trust. I love the way this is going now. yeah, wanna see the reason he left, and ichigo has gone hell as storong, his sword doesn't even look like a kitchen knife anymore!! :p |
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| Oh man, i liked this chapter despite what i read here. :D |
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| olol paying back their debs old yama is one sneaky bastard every time gotei 13 screw up ichigo have to clean up the mess^^ |
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| What I don't get is why Toshiro is there, what did Ichigo ever do to be frwends with him? I guess bringing in a popular character will boost the attention given to Bleach in a chapter I guess. Okay chapter, I saw the "HIT" on the first page and I said I'll burst out laughing if Ichigo will miss Ginjou and low and behold he does, LOL! btw, One look at Ginjou's fullbring armor (whatever it is :S) and I though "Are those stockings?" |
Goodbye, Fullmetal Alchemist |
| Ah so Ginjou was the first substitute shinigami huh, i think this time he is gonna go all out !! |
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TheStarEffect said: btw, One look at Ginjou's fullbring armor (whatever it is :S) and I though "Are those stockings?" Holy shit, you're right! They look exactly like a pair of stockings and a garterbelt! Wait, does that mean... Oh, goddamit Kubo... Thank you for making me think that a character looks like a drag queen! Now, where's my brain bleach... |
Arashi89Aug 24, 2011 8:40 AM
| ^ LMAO |
| I definitely have superpowers. I can feel it in my balls. |
| I really did like this, and I know we just saw a sliver of what Ichigo can do right now. And now from what we've seen, I think this means Bleach kind of took the Yu Yu Hakusho route with beating his predecessor. Can't wait to see more... but I have to ask... why the fuck does Ginjo have his powers back? And how could no one sense them? And how come he didn't sense ANY of the captains that showed up? I hope things get explained a bit. |
| First panel: pure white ( ¬‿¬) And the buildup for all of the training, the screaming and the keikaku doori comes down to this, the substitute shinigami. Poor execution really. And yeah, Urahara is now allowed to set foot to SS when? |
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| oh kubo. some pages and panels are mess as always. i wonder if he has someone called "editor" to give him advice like "come on Tite-sensei.. fill the blank pages" on the chapter. soul society is paying back and i agree with above posts. ichigo does live to clean up their mess. rukia, arrancer, aizen, ginjo and next is that thing aka soul king. |
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belatkuro said: First panel: pure white ( ¬‿¬) And the buildup for all of the training, the screaming and the keikaku doori comes down to this, the substitute shinigami. Poor execution really. And yeah, Urahara is now allowed to set foot to SS when? Yes, First panel white was a GT which blew off a half of the mansion. And I am sorry, POOR EXECUTION? The fact that Ginjou was the previous substitute(whatever the position actually means) has been hinted since his FIRST appearance. TheStarEffect said: What I don't get is why Toshiro is there, what did Ichigo ever do to be frwends with him? I guess bringing in a popular character will boost the attention given to Bleach in a chapter I guess. toshiro wants Aizen dead. DEAD DEAD. Especially after hinamori trick he pulled. Ichigo defeated Aizen. ElMorty said: LoL SS relationship with Ichigo's power recovery was way simpler than many theories explained in last chap topic ... not that I didn't expect this! Those theories were nice, but again Kubo has shown us how he is only capable of choosing the most trivial outcome. ("oh Ichigo, u were so cool, u've changed SS, Gotei13, everyone's hearts, now everybody's helping u ... be proud!" Bla bla ...) And again, it seems to me that SS is far from being next arc's enemy. Sowwy! ^^ Thats not so trivial, actually. its a common shounen lgoic. Ichigo brought change into a conservative society. This also increases chances of SS+Ichigo+Aizen vs RoyalGuards+ZerothSquad+SoulKing. ------------- Anyway, good to see that the guesses and deduction of Ginjou being the shinigami with badge were true. Betting that Isshin fought against him in his fgt. Also we will finally learn on why Ginjou wanted Ichigo's fullbring(that armor at least to me always associated with royal guards). as well as a bit of Isshin's backstory which is supposedly very major game-changer. 5/5 |
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| Since Ginjou has become a bad guy, I noticed a skull on his sword.I wonder if the full bring don't react with the personality of the owner. Even the shunpo and the strengh of Itchigo are bigger. It is incredible. Where are the other fullbringers ? Did they already run away letting Ginjou alone ? In view of the situation I cannot blame them. Even Ginjou tried to do it. |
Shiznat said: Well I didn't see that coming with Ginjou D: Hmm, next weeks chapter will be interesting. Do yall think the rest of the fullbringers are people from the soul society? doubt it. Actually ginjou's position was obvious for a long time and was clear the moment he took Ichigo's FB powers(only badged shinigami can do that). What I am interested is how the private school relates to FB and the mystery around Tsukishima, who does his best to avoid being recorded on camera and etc. Now there's a chance that "your fb form reminds me of someone" actually means that Ichigo's FB reminded Ginjou of maybe Isshin's bankai or fgt form. AS for Urahara? since mid-hm - he was in ss to set up the barrier and fkt transporter and other things, remember? amenboy972 said: Since Ginjou has become a bad guy, I noticed a skull on his sword.I wonder if the full bring don't react with the personality of the owner. Thats result of him taking Ichigo's FB. The sword handle changed after it absorbed Ichigo's FB. AS for other FB's - betting they will use Ichigo's friends as shields in escaping. |
AhenshihaelAug 24, 2011 10:44 AM
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Fai said: belatkuro said: First panel: pure white ( ¬‿¬) And the buildup for all of the training, the screaming and the keikaku doori comes down to this, the substitute shinigami. Poor execution really. And yeah, Urahara is now allowed to set foot to SS when? Yes, First panel white was a GT which blew off a half of the mansion. And I am sorry, POOR EXECUTION? The fact that Ginjou was the previous substitute(whatever the position actually means) has been hinted since his FIRST appearance. TheStarEffect said: What I don't get is why Toshiro is there, what did Ichigo ever do to be frwends with him? I guess bringing in a popular character will boost the attention given to Bleach in a chapter I guess. toshiro wants Aizen dead. DEAD DEAD. Especially after hinamori trick he pulled. Ichigo defeated Aizen. ElMorty said: LoL SS relationship with Ichigo's power recovery was way simpler than many theories explained in last chap topic ... not that I didn't expect this! Those theories were nice, but again Kubo has shown us how he is only capable of choosing the most trivial outcome. ("oh Ichigo, u were so cool, u've changed SS, Gotei13, everyone's hearts, now everybody's helping u ... be proud!" Bla bla ...) And again, it seems to me that SS is far from being next arc's enemy. Sowwy! ^^ Thats not so trivial, actually. its a common shounen lgoic. Ichigo brought change into a conservative society. This also increases chances of SS+Ichigo+Aizen vs RoyalGuards+ZerothSquad+SoulKing. I've got only one question: Why? Why the fact that Ginjo was a substitute was supposedly foreshadowed when no reader knew that such position existed? Why is Hitsugaya here when there's enough pepole to defeat Ginjo's gang and Aizen is gone for good? Why declaring war on someone who's completely neutral and allying for no reason at all with a guy who murdered in cold blood your men, tried to overthrow you, was hated by everyone and basically tried to take over the world? |
| I was not disappointed with this chapter, it was no better then any of the others, so no reason to feel down. I think all criticisms have already been said (90% of which I agree with). So I guess the only things that are left to say are what I DID like. 1. Doggie Taicho anyone? He got one panel, and he has new frills. Maybe he took fashion hints from that pig Omaeda. I hope Komamura get's more attention eventually, he's such an adorable kicked puppy. 2. Toshiro = bishie over 9000 now. 3. Renji looks like a gansta. 4. Byakuya is pretty as always. 5. Any panel that was showing something besides white and lines. 6. Insight into the first substitute at least gives a feeling of continuity. What I'm looking for is a canon Hell Arc, or Aizen Pwned All of You without You Ever Knowing Arc, or maybe a Grimmjow Returns as the Sexy Beast Arc, or you know, a story where Inoue and Ishida can, you know, do something? I was looking forward to an arc minus Ichigo's powers. Just think what could have been done with that? Karin, Ishida, Isshin, Orihime, and perhaps Rukia as MCs? It would have given us a whole new, fresh manga for a while. We all love Ichigo, but it has been proven we can go at least twelve weeks without him. *sigh* oh well, |
| Very interesting. Ginjou was the first substitute shinigami. I'm wondering if that means he has powers that go beyond the normal substitute and actually rival that of a true shinigami. It seems like that is the case, looking at the last page. Hoping for action in the chapters to come, but I think we will either get more talking or a flashback of how Ginjou came to be a substitute shinigami and what made him disappear. |
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| I'm amazed at Kubo, every single time he manages to fuck up Bleach even more, I'm starting to think that One Piece is better than this. I would bet a $100 that in the next chapter we discover that Ichigo is the long-lost son of the Soul King, his dick's got a bankai on its own, and so on. |
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Arashi89 said: I've got only one question: Why? Why the fact that Ginjo was a substitute was supposedly foreshadowed when no reader knew that such position existed? Why is Hitsugaya here when there's enough pepole to defeat Ginjo's gang and Aizen is gone for good? Why declaring war on someone who's completely neutral and allying for no reason at all with a guy who murdered in cold blood your men, tried to overthrow you, was hated by everyone and basically tried to take over the world? We knew about position ever since the end of SS arc. We just did not know and what exactly that position means(since Ukitake's reasoning was pretty much revealed as bullshit the very next chapter). We did know that a person would be handed a strange ominous badge that gives creeps to Ishida and sent off And now we know for sure that the previous one to be handed this position was Ginjou. The position itself and the purpose of the badge is obvious mystery. enough people? Chad alone PRE-timeskip could have gone on equal footing with most of captains minus the power four and byakuya. Inoue is bassically walking Hogyoku. Half of fullbringers are reality warpers, one of them only needs to hit you once to add you to his own side and Ginjou is most likely very strong person in general. Also its obvious that Hitsugaya was one of core gorup who initiated this plea, due to obvious connection to Ichigo. As for the last? Because of common goal. Stop damn painting everything in black and white. Bleach has been gray morality manga since the ss days pretty much. Also interesting is that the moon symbolism that vanished when Ishida got cut is back in this chapter - Ginjou splitting GT in half with moon right behind him. |
AhenshihaelAug 24, 2011 10:43 AM
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| Ginjou vs Ichigo....ichigo better use his friggin bankai, or at least go a little hollow or I will not enjoy the fight. |
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| Finally something more about substitute shinigami. As I thought where were someone before Ichigo. |
WidelleAug 24, 2011 11:25 AM
Fai said: Arashi89 said: I've got only one question: Why? Why the fact that Ginjo was a substitute was supposedly foreshadowed when no reader knew that such position existed? Why is Hitsugaya here when there's enough pepole to defeat Ginjo's gang and Aizen is gone for good? Why declaring war on someone who's completely neutral and allying for no reason at all with a guy who murdered in cold blood your men, tried to overthrow you, was hated by everyone and basically tried to take over the world? We knew about position ever since the end of SS arc. We just did not know and what exactly that position means(since Ukitake's reasoning was pretty much revealed as bullshit the very next chapter). We did know that a person would be handed a strange ominous badge that gives creeps to Ishida and sent off And now we know for sure that the previous one to be handed this position was Ginjou. The position itself and the purpose of the badge is obvious mystery. enough people? Chad alone PRE-timeskip could have gone on equal footing with most of captains minus the power four and byakuya. Inoue is bassically walking Hogyoku. Half of fullbringers are reality warpers, one of them only needs to hit you once to add you to his own side and Ginjou is most likely very strong person in general. Also its obvious that Hitsugaya was one of core gorup who initiated this plea, due to obvious connection to Ichigo. As for the last? Because of common goal. Stop damn painting everything in black and white. Bleach has been gray morality manga since the ss days pretty much. 1) That's just speculation. We only knew that the badge was special and it became the catalyst for Ichigo's FB just because it was there and he had no other choice. And if the badge is a dangerous item, fruit of an experiment gone wrong, why the hell Ukitake gave something like that to a rookie fighter who has no idea on what it is?! 2)Are you for real? Chad on equal footing with a capitain? If Kubo actually does something like that, prepare to see pepole crying bloody murder so much that the revelation that Yammy was the 0 Espada will look like a minor complaint. Furthermore, being a walking Hougyoku means only being the best healer, and Orihime isn't renown for her combat abilities. All FB powers look nifty, but they require painfully annoying conditions and that means they would be really hard to use against guys that can slash you as easily as they can breathe. 3)I'm not seeing everything in black and white, I'm only trying to see that opinion from a reasonable standpoint. It makes no sense attacking the Soul King because he did absolutely nothing, and leaving Aizen free makes even less sense because he'll use that opportunity to backstab you faster than you can say "Kyouka Suigetsu". Also, the Soul King is just infodump: if Kubo forgot about Grimmjow and Neliel, I'm sure he can easily forget a small piece of exposition. Stop deluding yourself: it's infodump that will never be developed. |
Arashi89Aug 24, 2011 11:14 AM
| oh how droll. the old "oh we broke the rules because you changed us" routine. how boring. i would have been more impressed if they said that he had a power that would go to waste if they were to just abandon him or something to that effect. there is no need to pamper the protagonist. it is because he is the protagonist that he needs no pampering. |
Fai said: TheStarEffect said: What I don't get is why Toshiro is there, what did Ichigo ever do to be frwends with him? I guess bringing in a popular character will boost the attention given to Bleach in a chapter I guess. toshiro wants Aizen dead. DEAD DEAD. Especially after hinamori trick he pulled. Ichigo defeated Aizen. So did Wolfie, but he isn't there. I guess Toshiro is a rep of the "Aizen pissed us off" club. |
| Goodbye, Fullmetal Alchemist |
TheStarEffect said: Fai said: TheStarEffect said: What I don't get is why Toshiro is there, what did Ichigo ever do to be frwends with him? I guess bringing in a popular character will boost the attention given to Bleach in a chapter I guess. toshiro wants Aizen dead. DEAD DEAD. Especially after hinamori trick he pulled. Ichigo defeated Aizen. So did Wolfie, but he isn't there. I guess Toshiro is a rep of the "Aizen pissed us off" club. yes but well, wolfie was not made to stab and skewer his most precious person . Toshiro was. |
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| For fuck sake, open a window or something. This bullshit is just too much. The FIRST substitute shinigami?! This makes me want to just rip my dick off. |
| "If you're not prepared to be wrong, you'll never come up with anything original." - Sir Ken Robinson |
| What a tw...oh what ever. Honestly this is just terrible. And the first entire panel being white, haha. Nice troll kubo, nice troll. |
| This arc setup is kind of dumb to me. I was happy to see ichigo get his powers back but really the reasoning behind it is what gets me. Ok you are indebted to him, but then the 2nd reason because you have a problem with the original substitue? Come on now you cant come up with better plot? |
A man who knows nothing and says something IS the dumbest person alive. A man who knows something and says nothing could possibly be the smartest person in the world -Unknown |
| If it's reiatsu from every captain & vice-captain, he should be stronger. |
'Everything is impossible until proven possible.' - Me |
| O M F@CKING G |
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| This is how I feel like when reading Bleach. Answer of everything is inside rooster's eye. Pic below pic is the improvement arc after arc. Enjoy. |
| I definitely have superpowers. I can feel it in my balls. |
Fai said: If it wasn't for Aizen, Tosen wouldn't have died, so Komamura lost his best friend because of Aizen.TheStarEffect said: Fai said: TheStarEffect said: What I don't get is why Toshiro is there, what did Ichigo ever do to be frwends with him? I guess bringing in a popular character will boost the attention given to Bleach in a chapter I guess. toshiro wants Aizen dead. DEAD DEAD. Especially after hinamori trick he pulled. Ichigo defeated Aizen. So did Wolfie, but he isn't there. I guess Toshiro is a rep of the "Aizen pissed us off" club. yes but well, wolfie was not made to stab and skewer his most precious person . Toshiro was. |
TheStarEffectAug 24, 2011 12:27 PM
| Goodbye, Fullmetal Alchemist |
TheStarEffect said: Fai said: If it wasn't for Aizen, Tosen wouldn't have died, so Komamura lost his best friend because of Aizen.TheStarEffect said: Fai said: TheStarEffect said: What I don't get is why Toshiro is there, what did Ichigo ever do to be frwends with him? I guess bringing in a popular character will boost the attention given to Bleach in a chapter I guess. toshiro wants Aizen dead. DEAD DEAD. Especially after hinamori trick he pulled. Ichigo defeated Aizen. So did Wolfie, but he isn't there. I guess Toshiro is a rep of the "Aizen pissed us off" club. yes but well, wolfie was not made to stab and skewer his most precious person . Toshiro was. which does not indulge a same value of personal interest and grudge like being made to stab your would-be waifu does. |
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*facepalm* Actually, 3 times. |
| I definitely have superpowers. I can feel it in my balls. |
| LMAO on this thread xD Ending cliffhanger grabbed my interest~ The only thing I'm currently curious is who are the new captains? |
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Fai said: amenboy972 said: Since Ginjou has become a bad guy, I noticed a skull on his sword.I wonder if the full bring don't react with the personality of the owner. Thats result of him taking Ichigo's FB. The sword handle changed after it absorbed Ichigo's FB. AS for other FB's - betting they will use Ichigo's friends as shields in escaping. Sorry but Ginjou already has the skull on his sword (chapter 458) before he took the Fullbring of Itchigo (chapter 459), then try again Enstein !!! And even if they use Sado or Inoue as shields , Rukia or Renji alone can take care of them easily... I think they will use other means, mostly after the new suit and the new powers, that Ginjou has received currently. I am surprised you talk for me now, I thought that I wasn't enough clever for you !! But if it was for saying that... You should have abstained you...Enstein !!!! |
amenboy972 said: Fai said: amenboy972 said: Since Ginjou has become a bad guy, I noticed a skull on his sword.I wonder if the full bring don't react with the personality of the owner. Thats result of him taking Ichigo's FB. The sword handle changed after it absorbed Ichigo's FB. AS for other FB's - betting they will use Ichigo's friends as shields in escaping. Sorry but Ginjou already has the skull on his sword (chapter 458) before he took the Fullbring of Itchigo (chapter 459), then try again Enstein !!! And even if they use Sado or Inoue as shields , Rukia or Renji alone can take care of them easily... I think they will use other means, mostly after the new suit and the new powers, that Ginjou has received currently. I am surprised you talk for me now, I thought that I wasn't enough clever for you !! But if it was for saying that... You should have abstained you...Enstein !!!! Let me break it into parts to you, mister broken english guy: Chapter 458, Page 18: Ginjou merges his badge with his fullbring. Chapter 458, Page 19: Thus sword changes. It has nothing to do with his personality. He just merged his two fullbrings(the normal one, sword and his shinigami one) in order to take Ichigo's power as for other part... lol@ rukia or renji being enough to take down either miss hogyokuv2 or person who is fast enough to tag most of captains minus the power four. |
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spohken said: For fuck sake, open a window or something. This bullshit is just too much. The FIRST substitute shinigami?! This makes me want to just rip my dick off. why would you want to do that...exactly? |
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