| I can't seem to find any similarity, so maybe you should write a bit more specifically. What exactly do you mean? I personally think SAO is full of manga/anime stereotypes and the story seems to be a bit plain. I felt no fascination while reading and did not see any type of major idea in it. |
| Good friend betrayal is in both of them. Lonesome guy who goes around, then gets pally pals. Personally I think SAO beats berserk by a mile. The only thing I've felt from berserk is the overwhelming revenge theme. It is a great manga, sure, but Muira has a rape fetish and is so misogynistic that it's unreal. SAO on the other hand was just beautiful, ranging themes from redemption to betrayal. The characters were all a lot more likable too. |
| Shin Angyo Onshi is one of the most annoying mangas I've ever read. I had to make a thread about a character that was basically a culmination of everything that was wrong with the manga. It's just a cynical fan-pandering mess that could have been something interesting. I may have lost the love for Berserk but it's still miles better than that other nonsense and I can't see many similarities other than typical story cliches. |
"I'm starting to think mal is run by Xinil generating electricity on a bicycle." - idklol |
| You hated her because she didn't wear much clothing... Personally I wasn't bothered by her lack of clothing, nor was I aroused, the shroud she wore covered her most of the time. She was the silent female guardian, badass, and one of the strongest most talented in the series, so it was nice to see that women weren't left weak and defenseless. Though I did find it irritating that she'd leave Munsu if he became evil, but then left to be by the side of the antagonist of the series. |
| I don't want to be the main villain in this thread, but SAO has this feminine air about it, too polished, I mean ever type of "fetish" is there. The badass smoking main character with broken heart, the 90% naked girl with badass powers. And most of it seems unnecessary. It was rushed and predictable, the villain never had this aura of being genius with deep philosophical ideology. The story is flat. I don't know, to me SAO in comparison with Berserk, seems like a story that is targeted towards fragile minds =) I really don't mean to offend anyone. |
BakaKawaii said: You hated her because she didn't wear much clothing... Personally I wasn't bothered by her lack of clothing, nor was I aroused, the shroud she wore covered her most of the time. She was the silent female guardian, badass, and one of the strongest most talented in the series, so it was nice to see that women weren't left weak and defenseless. I just think she told me all I needed to know about the authors' priorities. The story began in an interesting way but soon became boring. I love the Koreans' art style, but I really don't consider that manga 'seinen'. |
"I'm starting to think mal is run by Xinil generating electricity on a bicycle." - idklol |
| Yeah, Berserk could never be targeted towards fragile minds because every other chapter was filled with rape, beheading and disembowling, if you go in with a fragile mind you're pretty screwed. Griffith had an aura of genuis and deep philosophical ideology, then? And what could be flatter than "kill, betrayal, rape, meh, kill rape, revenge! Kill, oooo fairies, rape"? I take that back, that's a roller coaster of emotions right there. With SAO I felt there was an actual journey, actual relationships and deeper than a puddle of blood that is berserk. |
| some people just can't see past the gore! I droped SAO after 20 or so chapters, being totally unmoved and bored, so for me there is no comparing it :) |
BakaKawaii said: With SAO I felt there was an actual journey, actual relationships and deeper than a puddle of blood that is berserk. No there wasn't....SAO felt like a shonen, high fantasy more than anything else....it felt cliched....and the main villain?....if I remember correctly.....where do you find a main villain that gives a hero something like a powerful pendant thing that could cause his downfall in the end....well obviously in SAO...... I'm not bashing the series or anything....but making this kind of thread is really pointless and stupid.....both series are good in their own respective way....making this thread only incites flame wars.... plus....Psadjak....stop making these kinds of threads....I was looking up on some of the threads and if I remember correctly....you made a thread entitled "Christ Berserk"....and yeah in that thread you were doing a lot of bashing on the series..... so please stop..... |
| "In every age, in every place, the deeds of men remain the same." |
| There wasn't a journey? There weren't relationships? It may have been a long time since I've read it but I'm gonna have to disagree with you there. I'm really not sure how it could be aimed towards young boys, sure it wasn't on Berserk's level of gore / rape fetish, but it certainly did have a flair for blood. Lots of villains leave the protagonists / give them a chance to win. Look at how often Guts has been spared. There's always going to be certain cliches. Badass main character searching for vengeance, took on a curse, mysterious dark past, rag tag team of friends. Sounds pretty familiar to me. It's all in the execution, in SAO I felt like it was actually moving somewhere, in Berserk I feel like it's not moved in forever, even as I marathon read it through. |
| I don't like how you focus on gore/rape/etc., only kids and immature brats read it for that. The character interactions in Berserk are vastly superior, that's one of my main reasons for liking it. |
| Jojolion anime when? |
| It's because it's a main point of the manga? The whole point behind Berserk is vengeance, brutal, restless vengeance, further emphasised by his shiny new armour which unleashes his bestial bloodlust, only quelled by the innocence of an itty bitty witch. Berserk - Berserker - enraged, reckless, uncaring about their lives or others. Hell, Muira does pull off the brutality brilliantly, but the last arc that I remember really being into was probably the heretic killing arc. |
| I know what it means, but it seems like you're just reducing the theme of revenge only to violence. And this is a grave mistake, after all one of the biggest points of the last arc was to show Gutts once again that revenge comes with the loss of important things. The overcoming of revenge was emphasized pretty heavily. And if I just wanted some brutality, I would watch genocyber... |
| Jojolion anime when? |
| Berserk is vastly superior to SAO: in story, in character depth, and especially in the character of the antagonist. Griffith has a real personality with enormous philosophical depth surrounding him. Aji Tae had potential to be a complex character, but he was quickly reduced to a 1-dimensional crazy cartoon villain who is pure evil. There are a lot of superficial similarities between Griffith and Aji Tae, and Guts and Munsu, but that's all they are: superficial. Granted Aji Tae is what a lot of people think Griffith is, and I think that's very sad, because Griffith's character and the cosmic themes he represents offers SO much more. |
Neiru2012 said: Berserk is vastly superior to SAO: in story, in character depth, and especially in the character of the antagonist. Griffith has a real personality with enormous philosophical depth surrounding him. Aji Tae had potential to be a complex character, but he was quickly reduced to a 1-dimensional crazy cartoon villain who is pure evil. There are a lot of superficial similarities between Griffith and Aji Tae, and Guts and Munsu, but that's all they are: superficial. Granted Aji Tae is what a lot of people think Griffith is, and I think that's very sad, because Griffith's character and the cosmic themes he represents offers SO much more. Totally agree with everything you said. Berserk has so much depth to the characters.. the most depth to be found anywhere basically, not just in manga, but it even outdoes or matches characters in long ass novels. SAO had potential, but yeah. The ending was ridiculously stupid and ruined such a good manga. It started off well, then degenerated into trash(story/plot wise). The art is also spectacular, but so it berserk. But it's not the art alone that makes Berserk a classic. It's the storytelling, the depth of characters, the philosophy, the violence, the setting/epic backdrop, etc etc. |
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| @ bakakawaii lol what?.....doesn't human relations, adventure/journey fall under the category of shonen?.....and well I don't really see anything in SAO that makes it feel like it can't be aimed at younger readers.....again I'm not reducing SAO to anything like what you are doing to berserk....that's just how it felt like to me while I was reading the series....a shonen, high fantasy.......but a good shonen high fantasy at that....with good characters, good story, and great art....but with a stupid ending sad to say..... and just like the other users above me.....the way your reducing berserk's theme of revenge to purely violence is absurd.....there's more to that bro... |
| "In every age, in every place, the deeds of men remain the same." |
| I agree with everything S_MasochistS said. Lots of people in this thread are putting Berserk on some kind of pedestal out of affection for it. Undeniably, the characterisation easily tops most work seen elsewhere, but it doesn't go as deep as people are suggesting. One man has a dream, another wants his own dream, the two ultimately become rivals and - in order to punish the lead - the villain rapes his woman in front of him. It isn't hard to summerise and the triangular relationship of the three leads was extended through a combination of graphic violence and sex. The manga wouldn't be what it is without its brutal fighting and occasional raping. SAO does, towards the end, become a mess, but I find it difficult to say Berserk is definitely the better of the two because of this. The way it's going, Berserk may never have an ending to complain about. Ever since the eclipse arc, the characterisation/plot has all but grinded to a halt. The conviction arc, though very good, wasn't needed--Griffith could have simply emerged into the world without needing a repeat of the eclipse to do so. Miura has fallen into the trap of all popular serialized works by attempting to continue the story without advancing anything ny inserting a legion of new allies and enemies. Berserk's reverted back to its episodic arcing from the beginning, nowadays, and SAO's numerous arcs are the more interesting because they were adaptations of largely unknown Korean fact and fiction. |
AironicallyHuman said: I agree with everything S_MasochistS said. Lots of people in this thread are putting Berserk on some kind of pedestal out of affection for it. Undeniably, the characterisation easily tops most work seen elsewhere, but it doesn't go as deep as people are suggesting. One man has a dream, another wants his own dream, the two ultimately become rivals and - in order to punish the lead - the villain rapes his woman in front of him. It isn't hard to summerise and the triangular relationship of the three leads was extended through a combination of graphic violence and sex. The manga wouldn't be what it is without its brutal fighting and occasional raping. SAO does, towards the end, become a mess, but I find it difficult to say Berserk is definitely the better of the two because of this. The way it's going, Berserk may never have an ending to complain about. Ever since the eclipse arc, the characterisation/plot has all but grinded to a halt. The conviction arc, though very good, wasn't needed--Griffith could have simply emerged into the world without needing a repeat of the eclipse to do so. Miura has fallen into the trap of all popular serialized works by attempting to continue the story without advancing anything ny inserting a legion of new allies and enemies. Berserk's reverted back to its episodic arcing from the beginning, nowadays, and SAO's numerous arcs are the more interesting because they were adaptations of largely unknown Korean fact and fiction. Well said. Ultimately, i think the two series are too different to really compare.. different goals, audience, etc.. |
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