Shiki Episode 22 Discussion

Jan 3, 2011 4:52 AM

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entropy13 said:
What bigotry? There's no bigotry in wanting to destroy something who's only source of food is humans, i.e. human-exclusive, that even their own population comes from humans.

I can obviously see, why one would say, something that poses potential threat to humanity should be wiped out, however I most certainly do not agree with that.
This is not an existential struggle at all. Clearly, there is no actual 'need' for Shiki to really kill people in this setting - it would only takes a handful of people to indefinitely feed one for the price of minor inconvenience.
I would choose to compromise if possible, and in this case it most certainly is.
What would have happened if some people from the village would have just walked up to Sunako and told her they're willing to cooperate?

Also, there is a big difference between Shiki and man-eating sharks - namely, the fact that Shiki are in fact people with intelligence, emotions and all that other good stuff.

entropy13 said:
They can never be "just as much human" as the villagers because they already died! There's no need to delved on biological functions; that's one of the things that differentiates the shiki from the humans, they died but can still exist with an animated body, a consciousness and cognitive thinking (but presumably without a soul/lifeforce/spirit/whatever).

I can only say I disagree with that. For start, do not believe in existence of souls/spirits/etc.
I think, if we would build a computer that could perfectly mimic the workings of a human brain and transfer someone's memories to it - the resulting entity would be perfectly human.
Distinguished ways of thinking, feeling and acting are what makes us who we are.

entropy13 said:
You consider the shiki as "human" yet then agreeing in the assessment that the shiki follow different standards from humans? LOLWUT

I'm not sure what you mean by that.
In the end tho, Shiki is still a vampire novel and the situation it depicts is in no ways realistic.
Sunakos plan is horribly flawed and the way events play out is makes little sense.
Still, its fun to argue.

Whenever you correct someone's grammar just remember that nobody likes you.

Jan 3, 2011 5:16 AM

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shadowii said:
uh thats nice and all but i think you got the quote wrong
i dont remember typing that

Ah. Sorry, quoted the wrong person indeed.

Psychodrake said:
Shiki weren't shown as being just as human as humans though, do you not remember that terrifying scene where Megumi bit Tohru? The scene that pretty much broke Natsuno?

They were, for the most part, monsters. Even Sunako when she was being kept in that shed, she couldn't hold her urge to bite people and kill them. It isn't about having human emotions although most of the Shiki who enjoyed being Shiki seemed to be completely insane except Tatsumi who was badass.

Clearly, this is an horror anime.
Still, Shiki initially remained who they where alive, in Megumis case that would be a spoiled teenager with a strong dislike towards pretty much all the villagers, in Sunakos case, a child.
Obviously, being placed in a situation where rules and laws seemingly don't apply to you will influence ones actions quite a bit.
Few people might have indeed lost their sanity.
Most didn't change much tho.

Psychodrake said:
Also, I think the one who should stick to shonen is you if you gave in to this sympathetic visage Sunako is putting up. She isn't the hero of this story.

I never claimed she was one, there are no heroes in this story.
Who one likes os dislikes is up to them.
I was simply bothered by people saying 'Sunako is a villain and hence should have been killed, thisendingsucks'.

XayozJan 3, 2011 5:30 AM

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Jan 3, 2011 5:47 AM

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JinMasuko said:
at the end, it's mr muroi in the car but whats in the box?

I think it was 'loli in a box' Sunako.

JinMasuko said:
and also when did Akira get away? i can't remember anything being mentiond about him escaping that okiagari

I bet they going to show us what happened in the specials that will air in the Summer.

RazziellJan 3, 2011 5:52 AM

Jan 3, 2011 7:41 AM

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Megumi's death was quite fitting!
I hate that Muroi and Sunako got away. They both should have died a horrible death!!

Jan 3, 2011 8:14 AM

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very nice
sunkao with muroi in the car
and they are going in a second village to do a vampires world again
but the end of shiki is really cool and i didn't expect it in the beginning
awesome anime
waiting for specials eps

DEJan 3, 2011 8:26 AM

Jan 3, 2011 8:26 AM

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Very nice ending, I'm so glad that Sunako survived.^^

Muroi was a great character IMO, he changed his ideals mostly after seeing who was trully deserving to survive, he saw humans murdering his family, right after the dialogue with Tatsumi who showed total admiration for Sunako - which showed the difference between shikis and humans: Shikis have mutual respect among their kind, while humans kill each others in despair.

But on other hand, I got desappointed with Megumi's death, it was brutal indeed, but lame. I was expecting her to be killed by Natsuno's hands, karma would have been even more bitch if that had happened.

Overall, great show. One of the best shows of the year. 9/10

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Jan 3, 2011 8:26 AM

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Theduchess said:
Thanks for replying. I guess Ono's writes in her own way. I understood there were no bad or good guys and that wasnt what bothered me. As much as I didnt like the priest I didnt have a problem with him surviving. I think both human and Shiki became beast and both should have died.
Do you know why she allowed Ozaki to live? what was the philosophy behind that? because frankly I think he crossed the line as well? Sure, he was trying to protect the village, but something about him was very off. If you have the time please tell me more about his character in the book. He seemed very apathetic in the anime.

Well.. to be honest, I don't know the reason why Ozaki could survive. One of the clue would be Muroi's words when Sunako decided to stay in Sotoba and fight against villagers. Muroi said to Sunako in his mind that "Sunako you should escape from here. You don't really understand about how people in this village can turn to be fearful and cruel, once they set up their mind.".

In another word, Shiki is basically weaker beings than mankind, once human recognizes its existence and define as enemies. There was a description in the novel something like "Shiki's superior position is only secured if nobody believes its existence". In fact, Shiki fought better in the animation than the novel. In the novel, Shiki was just hunted and killed brutally for over 100 page descriptions in the final part without any effective resistance.

So, IMHO, he survived maybe because he was the person who recognized Shiki and succeeded to make people understand it. Maybe he represents the cruel part of humanity (but I'm not so sure).

Ozaki in the novel was even more apathetic than this animation btw. I kinda like and hate him together LOL.

Uh I think I'll offer an altertnative point of view to Ozaki's survival.
A lot of people argue that goodness of sunako's survival for various reasons (she's sympathetic, she's not bound by humans laws and therefore innocent, she was just trying to survive, right and wrong cant be defined here)
for me a similar reasons apply to Ozaki living:

In one point of view he was just in his actions.

Ozaki was the town doctor and perhaps not happily due to his families legacy. But then the epidemic started, then he started to watch unable to do anything as his patients died as there families grieved.

and of course the defining momment came when his got his ass kicked by Tatsumi and could do nothing to prevent Setsuko (who was the first and only patient to start recovering) from being taken out the window and eaten alive by eight or nine shiki while Tatsumi gave him the "see ya" sign
this about covers his feelings toward it
http://www.mangafox.com/manga/shiki/v04/c010/41.html
http://www.mangafox.com/manga/shiki/v04/c010/42.html

So then he had a choice
sit back and watch his patients continue to die
leave town (which if he was truly apathetic he would have)
or fight and make this stop and that required all shiki destroyed

He chose the latter and became demon like in order to fight against the undead and stop the rest of the remaining living from dying
(shown when he put on the demon mask and why the hell did they remove that from the anime?)

So condemn his inhumane and heartless actions all you want (because he's not a shiki and therefore does not get the shiki sympathy points that half the killers in this show do)

But while he did fail to save the town (which will be more haunting in the manga considering in the manga he promised ritsuko he'd save it) There is no doubt in my mind that the remaining living humans are alive because of him.
Chika wont die a child like her brother Hiromi did
Ookawa's other two children will live on
etc etc
that to me means something

what would be great if an elderly toshio in his final days (most likely from lung cancer) was visited by Seishin and they discussed things and the choices they made.

shadowiiJan 3, 2011 9:00 AM

Jan 3, 2011 11:34 AM

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shadowii said:

PenPenGrass said:

Theduchess said:
Thanks for replying. I guess Ono's writes in her own way. I understood there were no bad or good guys and that wasnt what bothered me. As much as I didnt like the priest I didnt have a problem with him surviving. I think both human and Shiki became beast and both should have died.
Do you know why she allowed Ozaki to live? what was the philosophy behind that? because frankly I think he crossed the line as well? Sure, he was trying to protect the village, but something about him was very off. If you have the time please tell me more about his character in the book. He seemed very apathetic in the anime.

Well.. to be honest, I don't know the reason why Ozaki could survive. One of the clue would be Muroi's words when Sunako decided to stay in Sotoba and fight against villagers. Muroi said to Sunako in his mind that "Sunako you should escape from here. You don't really understand about how people in this village can turn to be fearful and cruel, once they set up their mind.".

In another word, Shiki is basically weaker beings than mankind, once human recognizes its existence and define as enemies. There was a description in the novel something like "Shiki's superior position is only secured if nobody believes its existence". In fact, Shiki fought better in the animation than the novel. In the novel, Shiki was just hunted and killed brutally for over 100 page descriptions in the final part without any effective resistance.

So, IMHO, he survived maybe because he was the person who recognized Shiki and succeeded to make people understand it. Maybe he represents the cruel part of humanity (but I'm not so sure).

Ozaki in the novel was even more apathetic than this animation btw. I kinda like and hate him together LOL.

Uh I think I'll offer an altertnative point of view to Ozaki's survival.
A lot of people argue that goodness of sunako's survival for various reasons (she's sympathetic, she's not bound by humans laws and therefore innocent, she was just trying to survive, right and wrong cant be defined here)
for me a similar reasons apply to Ozaki living:

In one point of view he was just in his actions.

Ozaki was the town doctor and perhaps not happily due to his families legacy. But then the epidemic started, then he started to watch unable to do anything as his patients died as there families grieved.

and of course the defining momment came when his got his ass kicked by Tatsumi and could do nothing to prevent Setsuko (who was the first and only patient to start recovering) from being taken out the window and eaten alive by eight or nine shiki while Tatsumi gave him the "see ya" sign
this about covers his feelings toward it
http://www.mangafox.com/manga/shiki/v04/c010/41.html
http://www.mangafox.com/manga/shiki/v04/c010/42.html

So then he had a choice
sit back and watch his patients continue to die
leave town (which if he was truly apathetic he would have)
or fight and make this stop and that required all shiki destroyed

He chose the latter and became demon like in order to fight against the undead and stop the rest of the remaining living from dying
(shown when he put on the demon mask and why the hell did they remove that from the anime?)

So condemn his inhumane and heartless actions all you want (because he's not a shiki and therefore does not get the shiki sympathy points that half the killers in this show do)

But while he did fail to save the town (which will be more haunting in the manga considering in the manga he promised ritsuko he'd save it) There is no doubt in my mind that the remaining living humans are alive because of him.
Chika wont die a child like her brother Hiromi did
Ookawa's other two children will live on
etc etc
that to me means something

what would be great if an elderly toshio in his final days (most likely from lung cancer) was visited by Seishin and they discussed things and the choices they made.

Thank you for ur interesting analysis.

I like his realistic, responsible and decisive personality. Although he had a cold face, he is my favorite character in this story. :)

Jan 3, 2011 5:16 PM

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Still, Okazaki started to really annoy me/make me feel sick after killing/torturing his undead wife and entrapping Chizuru. Of course I felt the same way about how the Shiki should be killed but that did change in the end when I saw how one-sided the massacre is. I mean seriously. Thats just really too much. I would have just left town. Because I wouldn't have wanted to be killed by the Shiki but I sure as hell wouldn't want to be killed by the villagers for showing a bit of hesitation when I'm about to kill a sentient human-like being (who for the most part is defenseless). I would much prefer night hunting with firearms with NV Goggles but of course, this being Japan...

And to answer the question of one of the earlier posters who mentioned why some people like Megumi despite her being a bitch while we complain the fat ugly nice chick in lingerie survives. It is probably because of the fact that Megumi is hotter and dresses nicer. I know its horrible, but humans are shallow (well some of them are).

Jan 3, 2011 5:32 PM

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great ending i was hoping everyone would just die

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Jan 3, 2011 6:01 PM

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Thanks for the amazing ride all these months. It was a very thrilling one I won't forget.
And that's how Shiki became my currently most favourite anime.

As for the ending, I think it was a great one, the village became burning Hell itself. Nature takes its revenge, restoring the balance..
I would have liked it if they had shown more of Natsuno and Toshio's plotting against the Shiki in previous episodes, but i guess that would have dragged the series. I would have also liked it more if Megumi got to see Natsuno before she died.. :(
But all these, anyway, are details compared to the series as a whole.

And I've got a question... I reckon Muroi became a Shiki... but how? didn't he just die a few minutes ago, before Sunako run away from him? Didn't they say it takes some time for someone to rise? a few days maybe? On the other hand didn't Tatsumi say to Natsuno that werewolves don't have to die to become what they are, in contrast to Shiki? So doesn't this maybe make Muroi a warewolf? Sorry if my speculations are wrong, since it's really late here and I'm sleepy.. i'm just saying.. also i didn't read the previous comments yet, so i don't know if someone mentioned that before me.

All in all, this anime was perfect for me in every sense. Completely satisfactory and I loved how it left some things open and riddles to be answered by us. That's why I loved this from the start. The fact that it required thinking and it didn't treat us like idiots. It felt like a beautiful puzzle that we had to piece together and (oh yup!!) the game was so much fun. I feel like writing a review now. lol :P

Once again, a big thanks to the creators and to every person involved to make this happen. I really appreciate their effort. Please make more as good and complete as this!!

JusticeUndoneJan 3, 2011 6:11 PM

“In a mad world, only the mad are sane.”Akira Kurosawa

Jan 3, 2011 6:29 PM

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Shiki is easily one of the best anime of 2010!

Ozaki was my favorite character. He stood loyal to his ideals... being a doctor. A doctor saves his patients and his patients were humans. In this context, the virus are Shikis. So he just had to get rid of them. Shikis are no different than snakes with an intelligence of a human. So there, get rid of them.

Natsuno was someone that only cared for his friends and himself. Nothing special... but he was a bright guy. His stance on the whole fight made practically no sense to me.

Megumi was awesome since episode 1. I quite like girls that are arrogant like her. She never liked the village and becoming a Shiki amplified her hate and gave her a way to get revenge to those who mocked her. But she clearly was a dumb girl. At the very end she expresses herself on how she wants to get out in the city. Yeah right, she had 22 episodes to do that and tries it at the very end, when it's more dangerous. She deserved to die like that at least for her stupidity.

Tatsumi, the most badass of all. He just didn't gave a f*** about being right. If you are wrong, then just be like him. Don't try to justify your actions.

Seishin, the complete opposite of Tatsumi. A human who helps monsters to kill his own. And on top of that, he tries to justify his actions with nonsense. He should take some lessons from the hugebeard guy.

Sunako... oh was she useless the whole season. What did she do except corrupting Seishin? Almost everything else was done by Tatsumi lol.

Jan 3, 2011 6:31 PM

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Chaos_Pheonix20 said:

nicoliolipoli said:

Also, can ANYONE please help me understand two things.
1- Who was in the blue car at the end, and what was in the box? Was that Muroi & Sunako? :o (JUST REWATCHED, and I'm confirming that it was Muroi driving. The person had glasses and the same eyes as him.)
2- Who got on the bus during the credits that the two kids (forgot their name) were surprised to see?

Does this mean a sequel? Because although the people in the car might be who I said, I have never seen the two people on the bus..

(Woah, I just realized how much I wrote, sorry).

The car is Muroi and Sunako, that is obvious
From what I could see in the tiny bus scene was Natsuno's Dad and some other lady that I am not even sure who it was.

It wasn't obvious, thanks -___-
& I know. There's 16 pages of people saying this.

Jan 3, 2011 6:55 PM

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I was kinda hoping everyone would die to show that violence just breeds violence until it turns on itself, but whatevs. It pretty much did that already, I just wanted them to hammer it in (horrible pun intended).

As for Muroi and Sunako escaping, my main issue with it is the chance that this whole bloody spectacle could start again. He could have let the tragedy of the Shiki end then and there, but he just packed her up after giving her more justification to do whatever the fuck she wants. You can argue survival instinct or personal feelings or whatever, but it just doesn't sit right with me.

Anyways, this series has been a lot of fun for me. My only real gripe was the humans getting (what I felt) unnecessarily brutal in the last few episodes, as if to level out the already fuzzy morality balance. Killing to survive is one thing, repeatedly running over a teenage girl with tractors is kind of another -__-;;

Ha-cha!

Jan 3, 2011 7:09 PM

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What happened with those old guys who were supposed to go kill the humans and the Doc? Did their hypnosis get reversed when the werewolf was killed? I mean, they had this whole scene and it went absolutely nowhere... maybe it was just supposed to show how desperate they were.

Jan 3, 2011 7:33 PM

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LightningRamiel said:
Killing to survive is one thing, repeatedly running over a teenage girl with tractors is kind of another -__-;;

This is how killers are born. They start enjoying it after their first murder. So did the villagers... they were just having fun at her expense.

Jan 3, 2011 8:29 PM

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bakuramariks said:
and what about the box? Sunako's head? xD

NICE CAR

Don't forget.
Always, somewhere,
someone is fighting for you.
As long as you remember her,
you are not alone.

Jan 3, 2011 10:16 PM

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Meh. Sunako/Glasses live, incoming Sotoba 2.0.

4/10.

Jan 3, 2011 10:42 PM

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I like the new Kaori. She's very quiet.

Oh, and regarding the three named characters who entered the bus in the epilogue: The red-haired girl was Kanami Yano, the gray-haired guy was Natsuno's dad, and the lady with the cloth over her head was Yasuyo, or "the fat nurse".

Jan 3, 2011 11:08 PM

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The ending felt slightly rushed and I hated that the Sunako and the priest got away but, none of that really detracts from my enjoyment of the series. The end was quite fitting.

9/10 My best anime of 2010.

Jan 4, 2011 3:59 AM

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JusticeUndone said:

And I've got a question... I reckon Muroi became a Shiki... but how? didn't he just die a few minutes ago, before Sunako run away from him? Didn't they say it takes some time for someone to rise? a few days maybe? On the other hand didn't Tatsumi say to Natsuno that werewolves don't have to die to become what they are, in contrast to Shiki? So doesn't this maybe make Muroi a warewolf?

It is explained on the manga that a human bitten by a shiki that is suppose to transform into a werewolf doesnt actually die, but his body only transforms. Tecnically Natsuno didnt die, he was almost dying but his body transformed before he dies. That´s the difference between normal Shiki and werewolves. Shiki die and rise, werewolves just transform. And while a shiki takes days to rise, a werewolf takes only a few hours. XD Werewolves also can keep their "normal" eyes unlike the other shiki.
The monk is a werewolf ;_;

Now what i was seriously pissed is that they didnt show on the anime the "shiki mode on" eyes of Natsuno T_T it was shown on the manga.

ワンダーランド花 ♥

Jan 4, 2011 5:30 AM

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Waffles66 said:
What happened with those old guys who were supposed to go kill the humans and the Doc? Did their hypnosis get reversed when the werewolf was killed? I mean, they had this whole scene and it went absolutely nowhere... maybe it was just supposed to show how desperate they were.

They did try to kill him... in episode 20. The scene in episode 21 took place before the scene in episode 20, which is extremely odd, but not out of place in this Anime (remember the three/four episodes that took place in the same day?).

Jan 4, 2011 6:00 AM

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PenPenGrass said:

Theduchess said:
Thanks for replying. I guess Ono's writes in her own way. I understood there were no bad or good guys and that wasnt what bothered me. As much as I didnt like the priest I didnt have a problem with him surviving. I think both human and Shiki became beast and both should have died.
Do you know why she allowed Ozaki to live? what was the philosophy behind that? because frankly I think he crossed the line as well? Sure, he was trying to protect the village, but something about him was very off. If you have the time please tell me more about his character in the book. He seemed very apathetic in the anime.

Well.. to be honest, I don't know the reason why Ozaki could survive. One of the clue would be Muroi's words when Sunako decided to stay in Sotoba and fight against villagers. Muroi said to Sunako in his mind that "Sunako you should escape from here. You don't really understand about how people in this village can turn to be fearful and cruel, once they set up their mind.".

In another word, Shiki is basically weaker beings than mankind, once human recognizes its existence and define as enemies. There was a description in the novel something like "Shiki's superior position is only secured if nobody believes its existence". In fact, Shiki fought better in the animation than the novel. In the novel, Shiki was just hunted and killed brutally for over 100 page descriptions in the final part without any effective resistance.

So, IMHO, he survived maybe because he was the person who recognized Shiki and succeeded to make people understand it. Maybe he represents the cruel part of humanity (but I'm not so sure).

Ozaki in the novel was even more apathetic than this animation btw. I kinda like and hate him together LOL.

Thanks for replying. Your posts have been very helpful in understanding this ideology behind this story. I just rewatched Shiki again. Yes, I like it that much, I havent come across any other horror anime I like so much. I am a little confused about Ozaki. On one hand, I see he was so blind on duty, on protecting and on the other I just thought he was so cold, it gave me shudders.
I have another question please. Is Sunako's background explained in detail in the novel? Who bit her? how did he bite her, and what happened to the person who originally infected Sunako? I find myself so intrigued by the story. Please when you have a minute tell me as much about Sunako's background as you can.
I suppose I am trying to sympathize with her and really understand why the author wanted her to live.
Thanks so much again.

Jan 4, 2011 6:00 AM

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Hmm.. I still think Megumi is not a bad person. She was immature, but not evil. Lots of teenagers here are like that anyways.. it's called teenage rebellion. To think that she got killed like that is so.. GRRRR.. She was awesome IMO.. and I think I can relate to her.. >:D

Jan 4, 2011 7:28 AM

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SunkenShip said:
Hmm.. I still think Megumi is not a bad person. She was immature, but not evil. Lots of teenagers here are like that anyways.. it's called teenage rebellion. To think that she got killed like that is so.. GRRRR.. She was awesome IMO.. and I think I can relate to her.. >:D

what she did to kaori was evil

Jan 4, 2011 7:46 AM

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Theduchess said:
I have another question please. Is Sunako's background explained in detail in the novel? Who bit her? how did he bite her, and what happened to the person who originally infected Sunako?

I dont know about the novel but in the manga it is explained that Sunako was a rich girl that lived with her family and was bitten by a werewolf that her parents invited to her house. He disappeared and she died and then rise, she came back home but was locked on a dark room where everyday her parents sent maids to feed her. Sunako spent her days reading. It is not known what happened to her creator.

Sunako is a normal shiki but she was bitten by a werewolf, which means werewolves also can turn other people into shiki.

ワンダーランド花 ♥

Jan 4, 2011 9:06 AM

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Orulyon said:
Now what i was seriously pissed is that they didnt show on the anime the "shiki mode on" eyes of Natsuno T_T it was shown on the manga.

Could you tell me which chapter and page it is?

Jan 4, 2011 9:15 AM

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Orulyon said:

Theduchess said:
I have another question please. Is Sunako's background explained in detail in the novel? Who bit her? how did he bite her, and what happened to the person who originally infected Sunako?

I dont know about the novel but in the manga it is explained that Sunako was a rich girl that lived with her family and was bitten by a werewolf that her parents invited to her house. He disappeared and she died and then rise, she came back home but was locked on a dark room where everyday her parents sent maids to feed her. Sunako spent her days reading. It is not known what happened to her creator.

Sunako is a normal shiki but she was bitten by a werewolf, which means werewolves also can turn other people into shiki.

A whole chapter in the manga was about Sunako's past.

Jan 4, 2011 10:33 AM

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bakuramariks said:

Orulyon said:
Now what i was seriously pissed is that they didnt show on the anime the "shiki mode on" eyes of Natsuno T_T it was shown on the manga.

Could you tell me which chapter and page it is?

Chapter 32 page 13

He´s damn sexy~~~

ワンダーランド花 ♥

Jan 4, 2011 10:40 AM

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Thank you, Orulyon ^_^.

Jan 4, 2011 11:14 AM

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Thank you, Orulyon ^_^.

You´re welcome bakuramariks!

and by the way, everyone, the ost mini album "rouge" of shiki is out! check out the livejournal Shiki community!

ワンダーランド花 ♥

Jan 4, 2011 12:22 PM

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I am happy that Sunako survived, although the scene where she was pinned against the wall and taught right from wrong was really awesome. What she did was terrible, but she had a really rough childhood and thought of turning others into Shiki's was just like making her own undead family bigger. You can't defend the actions of a monster, but Sunako was a really interesting character for me.

Jan 4, 2011 12:29 PM

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Orulyon said:

Theduchess said:
I have another question please. Is Sunako's background explained in detail in the novel? Who bit her? how did he bite her, and what happened to the person who originally infected Sunako?

I dont know about the novel but in the manga it is explained that Sunako was a rich girl that lived with her family and was bitten by a werewolf that her parents invited to her house. He disappeared and she died and then rise, she came back home but was locked on a dark room where everyday her parents sent maids to feed her. Sunako spent her days reading. It is not known what happened to her creator.

Sunako is a normal shiki but she was bitten by a werewolf, which means werewolves also can turn other people into shiki.

Thanks for explaining. I find it weird that she was bitten by a werewolf? And then became a shiki? I would have expected her to become a junroi or whatever its called. I will read that part in the manga, but I was just curious to see if its a different story in the novel.

Jan 4, 2011 12:37 PM

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Too bad Sunako and Muroi survived. Everything else was good.

Pretty much THIS...

It was a pretty good ending, I LOVED Megumi's death, serves that BITCH right, after being the worst character in the show.

Toshio was really the HERO and best character, he kicked major ass in the last episodes and saved what remained of the village people.

Overall, this anime turned out better than I expected, the first half was boring and not so interesting, but the second half was INCREDIBLE and a great ride.

8/10....one of the better anime from 2010

Jan 4, 2011 1:17 PM

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Hmm.. I still think Megumi is not a bad person. She was immature, but not evil. Lots of teenagers here are like that anyways.. it's called teenage rebellion. To think that she got killed like that is so.. GRRRR.. She was awesome IMO.. and I think I can relate to her.. >:D

I agree. And really just put yourself in that village. It really was a boring annoying place full of old people. A teenage girl with a little of city mentality was really getting choked there.
I just wish she could at least have gone to the city.
As a vampire she certainly looked more in the evil side but in the end other people who supposedly were grown-ups mature and piecefull killed as much as she did when they becasme Shikis.

As about Sunako, for some reason i think she would have been better of dead. Even for her sake is better not continue living like that.

Anyway it was nice seeing such a well made atmospheric horror anime. If only their were more anime like Shiki.

Jan 4, 2011 5:20 PM

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The series could be better if the blood looks real.. not fake..

Jan 4, 2011 5:24 PM

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This series could be better if the blood looks real.. not fake..

Btw both Shiki n Kuragehime end at the same time.. so I got no more anime to watch.. :(

Jan 4, 2011 6:22 PM

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alexcampos said:

Klimat said:
Too bad Sunako and Muroi survived. Everything else was good.

Pretty much THIS...

It was a pretty good ending, I LOVED Megumi's death, serves that BITCH right, after being the worst character in the show.

Toshio was really the HERO and best character, he kicked major ass in the last episodes and saved what remained of the village people.

Overall, this anime turned out better than I expected, the first half was boring and not so interesting, but the second half was INCREDIBLE and a great ride.

8/10....one of the better anime from 2010

alexcampos said:

Klimat said:
Too bad Sunako and Muroi survived. Everything else was good.

Pretty much THIS...

It was a pretty good ending, I LOVED Megumi's death, serves that BITCH right, after being the worst character in the show.

Toshio was really the HERO and best character, he kicked major ass in the last episodes and saved what remained of the village people.

Overall, this anime turned out better than I expected, the first half was boring and not so interesting, but the second half was INCREDIBLE and a great ride.

8/10....one of the better anime from 2010

yaah... i was really happy when they killed Megumi!! she was a bitch..and i don't understand why people felt sorry for her!!she was a sadist killer!
at the beginning i understood her feelings when she wanted to leave the village...but then!! she just turned evil!! she was enjoying killing people..

Jan 4, 2011 6:37 PM

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THIS was one hell of an anime show, DAMM just freaking amazing
EASY 10, excellent scenes, plot, man will miss this show, felt sorry for Megumi,
cant wait for the specials

Jan 4, 2011 10:35 PM

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Car in the end? Where?
EDIT: Never mind. I paused it at the perfect moment, where I could see the face. x3

By the way, how are they going to go to another town/city/village with all of that blood all over them?
And how did that brother (forgot his name) survive? Was it Natsuno?

8/10.

Jan 4, 2011 10:45 PM

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The brother's name was Akira. Natsuno saved him.

Jan 5, 2011 12:30 AM

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Theduchess said:

PenPenGrass said:

Theduchess said:
Thanks for replying. I guess Ono's writes in her own way. I understood there were no bad or good guys and that wasnt what bothered me. As much as I didnt like the priest I didnt have a problem with him surviving. I think both human and Shiki became beast and both should have died.
Do you know why she allowed Ozaki to live? what was the philosophy behind that? because frankly I think he crossed the line as well? Sure, he was trying to protect the village, but something about him was very off. If you have the time please tell me more about his character in the book. He seemed very apathetic in the anime.

Well.. to be honest, I don't know the reason why Ozaki could survive. One of the clue would be Muroi's words when Sunako decided to stay in Sotoba and fight against villagers. Muroi said to Sunako in his mind that "Sunako you should escape from here. You don't really understand about how people in this village can turn to be fearful and cruel, once they set up their mind.".

In another word, Shiki is basically weaker beings than mankind, once human recognizes its existence and define as enemies. There was a description in the novel something like "Shiki's superior position is only secured if nobody believes its existence". In fact, Shiki fought better in the animation than the novel. In the novel, Shiki was just hunted and killed brutally for over 100 page descriptions in the final part without any effective resistance.

So, IMHO, he survived maybe because he was the person who recognized Shiki and succeeded to make people understand it. Maybe he represents the cruel part of humanity (but I'm not so sure).

Ozaki in the novel was even more apathetic than this animation btw. I kinda like and hate him together LOL.

Thanks for replying. Your posts have been very helpful in understanding this ideology behind this story. I just rewatched Shiki again. Yes, I like it that much, I havent come across any other horror anime I like so much. I am a little confused about Ozaki. On one hand, I see he was so blind on duty, on protecting and on the other I just thought he was so cold, it gave me shudders.
I have another question please. Is Sunako's background explained in detail in the novel? Who bit her? how did he bite her, and what happened to the person who originally infected Sunako? I find myself so intrigued by the story. Please when you have a minute tell me as much about Sunako's background as you can.
I suppose I am trying to sympathize with her and really understand why the author wanted her to live.
Thanks so much again.

I'm happy to know that my rubbish comment is useful in some way LOL.

Yes, there are bit more descriptions about Sunako's background in the original novel.
She was born in Edo period, which is at least 150 years ago. One day, her family had a guest from somewhere in Europe, and he was a Werewolf, (or Shiki, I forgot which one was correct, but Werewolf would be more realistic). Sunako liked him (as an interesting friend I mean) so she was often with him, but he was the person who bit and killed Sunako.

After that, the story was more or less the same as the animation. When she was revived and woke up, she was in a coffin. She cried a lot and screamed because of fear, and then someone noticed it and he salvaged her. Then she got hungry, and bit him subconsciously. After that, she went back to her house and her family fed maids to her in a storehouse. But she wanted to be free and decided to escape. But she missed her family a lot, so she came back to her house but there wasn't her family anymore. Then she had sought her family for about 100 years.

This is the main motivation for Sunako why she planned to move to Sotoba and make Shiki's village in the novel. When she was dead as a human, she was too young to give up human life (she was 13 when she was dead). She has been always feeling heavily starved for love and dreaming for having lovely family & ordinary human life more than any other Shiki. So she desired to have fake family with Seishiro and Chizuru and fake city as Shiki's Sotoba (those were written as Tatsumi's opinion in the novel).

Jan 5, 2011 1:32 AM

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so because Seishirou Kirishiki accepted the shiki as they were, he was allowed to live along side them? Strange...

now that makes me wonder, if the village people accepted the shiki would they have been able to live with one another?

Jan 5, 2011 5:13 AM

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-Revy- said:
so because Seishirou Kirishiki accepted the shiki as they were, he was allowed to live along side them? Strange...

now that makes me wonder, if the village people accepted the shiki would they have been able to live with one another?

I think it's possible. The problem is that the Shiki already had their minds on using the town as a feeding ground and home, and I doubt the villagers would have forgiven them for disturbing the peace.

Jan 5, 2011 11:51 AM

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Seeing Akira and Kaori alive was awesome.

I felt sorry for both of them in the series because unlike the adults they tried their best in the horrible scenario they were placed in and took control.

Jan 5, 2011 1:27 PM

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It is explained on the manga that a human bitten by a shiki that is suppose to transform into a werewolf doesnt actually die, but his body only transforms. Tecnically Natsuno didnt die, he was almost dying but his body transformed before he dies. That´s the difference between normal Shiki and werewolves. Shiki die and rise, werewolves just transform. And while a shiki takes days to rise, a werewolf takes only a few hours. XD Werewolves also can keep their "normal" eyes unlike the other shiki.
The monk is a werewolf ;_;

Now what i was seriously pissed is that they didnt show on the anime the "shiki mode on" eyes of Natsuno T_T it was shown on the manga.

Thanks a lot for replying and confirming what I was suspecting about him. It would be cool to see how Muroi would act from now on as a warewolf.
Also I saw the manga page you posted on your later post with Natsuno.. omg that makes me want to rush read the manga right now!!! :O And that was Kaori there, right? Looks cool and that it gets more into depth, so I'll def go read it :)

“In a mad world, only the mad are sane.”Akira Kurosawa

Jan 5, 2011 4:02 PM

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I feel sorry for Shiki. They only wanted to survive. Do you think that people could accept vampires? And how Natsuko bought a dynamite?!

Tatsumi could throw dynamite before explosion(he had superhuman strength) or bury himself or dynamite under corpses to reduce explosion power.

Megumi death was too cruel. Even if she and other Shiki were murderers they felt pain.
Humans were murderers too. That old big dude killed Seishin's mother and his assistants for nothing. They didn't know where Seishin were hiding and yet they killed them. They were worse murderers than Shiki because Shiki killed because of hunger.

They killed Hayami because I don't remember his death? Maybe he escaped?

Jan 6, 2011 12:48 AM

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I think it's possible. The problem is that the Shiki already had their minds on using the town as a feeding ground and home, and I doubt the villagers would have forgiven them for disturbing the peace.

I doubt it. It could be possible for a couple of days but the Shiki still need their food.
Seishirou was lucky that he could fill in the role of the father figure.

Tatsumi could throw dynamite before explosion(he had superhuman strength) or bury himself or dynamite under corpses to reduce explosion power.

I don't think it's stated that he and Natsuno died. It's kinda left open in the anime.

Jan 6, 2011 2:44 AM

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i was really hoping they weren't going to have an ending where a sequel is possible. It wasn't bad, it just wasn't as much closure as i wanted. it was damn good though. and as much as i wanted sunako to die so that things could end, i felt sorry for her so i'm kinda glad she survived.

Jan 6, 2011 7:21 AM

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Amazing and without any kind of forced endings. Just so damn perfect.

Without a doubt the best anime of the year for me and one of the greatest I've seen.

Really glad Muroi and Sunako survive in the end. Now I'll be dieing waiting for the specials even if they wont be any kind of sequels.

Will rewatch sometime. Multiple times. And show to friends. Multiple times.

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