| Nominate an anime series that you believe is of particularly low or unbalanced quality and that and that do not deserve high scores as they are, to be added to our "Anime Relation" list. RULES: 1. Nominated series should be completed but this rule is flexible. 2. You can nominate one or many series anytime. They will be all compiled and updated on the Master List in this post. 3. Only series whose at least one nomination contain a critical review can be selected for spotlight discussion. 4. Unchosen nominations along with their reviews/comments from previous weeks will have their nominations roll over to the next week until they are finally chosen. Master List |
mastertekSep 18, 2010 12:46 AM
| Dance In The Vampire Bund. |
| not seen it... but I suspect I will dislike it :P |
| Take off every SIG!! |
| Actually I am thinking about having everyone post their pet peeve anime list, just like how I made one on my profile, and I will compile all of them and figure out which show should be sentenced first! Or else, we should first go for the very series that made me prompted to create this club - BLEACH! X-D |
| Well, let's go with that then: Mars Of Destruction Top wo Nerae!/Gunbuster Ookami Kakushi FLCL Afro Samurai Mahou Sensei Negima! Angel Beats Code Geass R2 |
| Intersection with Lind's list: Top wo Nerae!/Gunbuster Ookami Kakushi FLCL Angel Beats |
| Code Geass Nabari no Ou Kuroshitsuji |
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| The Sacred Blacksmith Yeah if there is any show that you reeeealy shouldn't watch for any reason except for my own (the purpose of being able to declare how horrible it is), yeah. The only reason I bothered to complete this show was really because I wanted to be able to set myself up for being able to review it fairly. EDIT: Yeah it's not in the top 1500, but hell, it deserves to be even lower lol. |
A2ZOMGJul 7, 2010 5:55 AM
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| I shall make a list of my pet peeves, which consists of popular anime that I think are hugely overrated, as opposed to a list of anime like Mars of Destruction, which is almost universally acknowledged to be bad: Clannad (ugh...) Elfen Lied (for being a mediocre show that's ridiculously overrated) FLCL (completely nonsensical but everyone seems to love it -_-) K-On (for ruining the slice of life genre for me) Mai HIME (another show that got popular when it shouldn't have) Marsian Successor Nadesico (touted to be one of the best anime ever at one point. I could never really see why) Onegai Teacher (a popular anime back in its day, but seems to be deservedly forgotten nowadays) Saikano (ridiculously emotionally manipulative, but contain very little substance) |
| Take off every SIG!! |
| So now it has come to this... I shall bestow upon you guys my whole list X-D (I neglected those universally acknowledged to be bad) 07-Ghost (stupid characters) Akira (average story, stupid characters, excessive production value, I don't care about the supposedly good manga) Baka to Test to Shoukanjuu (brainless enjoyment) Berserk Bleach (random shit fight) Canaan (average story, excessive production value) Elfen Lied (average story, super stupid characters) GANTZ (don't let mangaka just draw what they want please...) Ghost in the Shell 1995 Higurashi no Naku Koro ni series (story is just based on yandere kids' stupidity) Kara no Kyoukai 7: Satsujin Kousatsu (stupid story, forced happy ending, super excessive production value) Katekyo Hitman Reborn! (lame transition to battle anime, stupid characters) Kuroshitsuji (my enjoyment ended since the circus arc when all characters became stupid) Mushishi (too slow, not consistent) Naruto movies (OK to watch but bullshit story) One Piece movies and OVAs (OK to watch but bullshit story) Shaman King (7.5/10 at first, 1/10 at last, characters end up stupid, arrogant, and conceited) Toaru Kagaku no Railgun (super stupid characters) Tokyo Godfathers (stupid and annoying characters) Yokohama Kaidashi Kikou (does it even have a story?...) |
mastertekJul 7, 2010 9:40 AM
| Akikan Sora no Woto Sora wo Kakeru Shojou Kurokami Chrome Shelled Regios Chaos;Head Golden Boy Hakuoki Basquash Asura Cryin Monochrome Factor Dogs: Bullets & Carnage Asu no Yoichi Yozakura Quartet Kurogane no Linebarrels Spiral Kimi ga Nozomu Eien (Rumbling Hearts) Minami-Ke Hanasakeru Seishounen Amatsuki Tales of the Abyss Hyakko Jyuushin Enbu Nogizaka Haruka no Himitsu Kaiji Kobato |
| 07-Ghost Chobits Claymore Code Geass Elfen Lied FFVII AC: Complete Full Metal Panic Fruits Basket Hakuouki Kuroshitsuji Lovely Complex Mahou Sensei Negima! Nodame Cantabile Paris Chapter Nodame Cantabile Finale Rozen Maiden Vampire Knight Vampire Knight Guilty Yamato Nadeshiko Shichi Henge |
| Off the top of my head: K-On!(pointless moe) Umineko (Just awful in comparison to the visual novel, skips out on a lot) Elfen Lied (Pretentious) Lucky Star Kodomo no Jikan |
Hvesier said: Off the top of my head: K-On!(pointless moe) Umineko (Just awful in comparison to the visual novel, skips out on a lot) Elfen Lied (Pretentious) Lucky Star Kodomo no Jikan This list pretty much. |
| Something cool to be placed here in the near future. |
| MAL having a glitch fest. |
thepapercutJul 7, 2010 10:18 PM
| Something cool to be placed here in the near future. |
| Oh I was under the impression we could only post titles which we have written reviews for. My bad. In that case.... 07-Ghost Higurashi no Nake Koro ni Welcome to the NHK Nabari no Ou Code Geass (both seasons) Sayonara Zetsubo Sensei Kuroshitsuji Lucky Star Mushishi Cowboy Bebop Darker than BLACK Great Teacher Onizuka Grave of the Fireflies End of Evangelion Bleach Junjou Romantica Special A Steamboy D.Gray Man Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood Black Cat Shugo Chara! Full Metal Panic! xxxHolic Since we have to nominate should we only pick two or three anime, and then write our reasons for nominating it? Since what I just wrote was a list of pet peeves... |
-Naami-Jul 8, 2010 2:19 AM
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| hmmm yeah this is getting chaotic, maybe we should just get started by focusing on 1 anime for starters and discussing that :P |
| Take off every SIG!! |
| I agree, it's getting chaotic. I will make the Master list to compile all and make the spotlight thread to focus on discussing ONE anime. But should it be every 1 week, or 2 weeks? By the way, what I am afraid now is that the anime with the most votes to get the spotlight doesn't have a review written by any of us. Even though in most cases we can find one negative (and convincing) review or two written by others for that show, should we prioritize a show that has a review written by one of us to go first? |
| yeah at least we have something to kick us off in the discussions then |
| Take off every SIG!! |
| Well if we're limiting our choices I just remembered one I really find overrated: Onani Master Kurosawa. I could probably find or make a review for it later. |
Hvesier said: Well if we're limiting our choices I just remembered one I really find overrated: Onani Master Kurosawa. I could probably find or make a review for it later. This is only for anime. Not manga. |
| ToraDora! |
| @Plagus: Please do :D We can test the very first debate battle over "should ToraDora be in the stay-away list." Having no critical review for ToraDora maybe a disadvantage for Dozer, no? |
| Some anime that I think could be given a look at for potentially being overrated: Ichiban Ushiro no Daimaou Shuffle! Sora no Manimani Although to be fair, I think a lot of people actually were disappointed by Ichiban Ushiro no Daimaou. But Shuffle! I believe easily could be rated lower (something I'll be doing pretty soon on my personal list). Sora no Manimani didn't get astounding reviews, but that show I think is actually really awful. |
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| Nominating: Akira, FLCL And here's a brief defense to Strike Witches and Sora no Manimani, (rated 8 and 9 respectively), which I think are two of the best series in recent anime history. |
| Lol. You would defend Strike Witches, but slam akira and flcl? I'd love to hear that logic. |
| Sora no Manimani I think is awful. Mihoshi is annoying and stays annoying the entire show being one of those completely insensitive but happy go lucky do gooders that actually causes people a lot of trouble but virtually nobody disciplines her. She's basically no different from Kobato from her respective show, and her lack of any real development from childhood on to the end of this show is appalling, especially since she's a main character. Hime sucks and never gets to express her feelings for Saku, which is really the only reason she joined the Astronomy club. Most of the characters in general have extremely limited development, and the focus on astronomy really was not done that well, as in not nearly enough time was spent actually showing what astronomy groups do and was mostly invested in the non-existent plot and character development. The one kinda dramatic scene around episode 11 was basically Hime and Mihoshi basically doing the same dumb things that happened in the previous episodes, only of course with an extra focus on drama. I rarely find shows to be completely unentertaining and a chore to watch (there's a good number of shows that probably aren't that good that are much better at tricking me into being entertained). Sora no Manimani however is a show that really tried my patience until I finally realized that it wasn't offering me much of anything, failing to extensively develop what little was making it unique, and flat out being a mediocre story at the same time. I probably enjoyed watching The Sacred Blacksmith slightly more than that show just since it was so much easier to make fun of how ridiculously awful it was right after the first two episodes, and by then I didn't have to worry about having high expectations for it. And now I feel a little silly trying to intelligently argue as to why this show should be nominated under the minus list, when after all, it is merely a nomination. =S |
A2ZOMGSep 16, 2010 1:04 AM
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noteDhero said: Lol. You would defend Strike Witches, but slam akira and flcl? I'd love to hear that logic. The defense is easy. Akira and FLCL were boring to watch, while Strike Witches provides constant entertainment every episode. |
| Master List updated today :-3 It's a pain to arrange them in alphabetical order~ Btw, @A2ZOMG you should copy that to your review~ Akira is real shit, the manga maybe better but who cares. Strike Witch was fun to watch but I don't think there's much re-watch value +_+ Unlike psychological crazy shows like Paprika or Paranoid Agent or Lain (which are good enough even though I don't really like), shows like FLCL and Dead Leaps or Cat Soup are kinda "EXPERIMENTAL" because they apply the most extreme form of Japanese craziness, not just in the story but the art. They are watched at mercy, so by no way should be introduced to anime newbies. |
mastertekSep 18, 2010 12:04 AM
| I agree that both Akira and Strike Witches have no re-watch value. At least one was fun to watch. Mastertek hit it right on the spot where Lain is good crazy while FLCL is just experimental crazy. EDIT: Elfen Lied is interesting. It was cool to like Elfen Lied, now it's cool to hate Elfen Lied. When will it be cool to hate Elfen Lied haters? |
| Elfen Lied had some interesting ideas, but ultimately wasted them to be nothing more than mediocre. I hated it all the way back when I originally watched it back in 2004/2005, when it was all the rage. It's cool to hate elfen lied now probably because people eventually realised that it was overrated to begin with. |
| Take off every SIG!! |
| Heh, the real reason I watched that show is because it was R-rated. Otherwise yeah, it's not all that special. |
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| Ok, for you guys there are tons of reasons to like and hate Elfen Lied so let me just spell out 2 reasons why it's cool to hate it: 1-The main male protagonist is extremely dull and stupid. For me - a guy, I kinda feel bad reading/watching a show where women do all the killing while the man just cowers in fear and doesn't know what the fack is going on from chapter A to chapter Z. 2-Most people enjoy gore but it always feels more comfortable and "high" to see blood spilled by bona fide antagonists or assholes or plain/undeveloped characters (like the clumsy girl which is the very first victim of Lucy), or characters we can find it easy to hate. But in this show, we are showed good sides of even bad characters so it's easy to understand why we feel kinda uncomfortable to watch their head plopped off. I hate this show very much but it maybe just fine for people to kinda like it. |
| You listed all the "good" reasons to dislike Elfen Lied in my opinions. Other people hate it for stupid reasons. |
| You know I'm in the mood to bash the show Kobato. After looking at all the 9-10 reviews and the fact it's like in the 200s for top anime...yeah. Fuck that show. It needs to drop. A lot. I consider myself a very patient person with my willingness to watch shows to completion in hopes that they do something interesting. Kobato REALLY REALLY tested my patience with a horrible main protagonist who never properly developed in any sense or definition of the word. A lot of the show was pointless episodic stuff that contributed basically nothing to the plot and what little plot that did exist was pretty poorly explained for most of the show and yet nothing really caught me by surprise. By far one of the most deserving candidates for being a minus anime. Ugh, I just don't understand how that show got such high ratings. |
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| I'm currently watching xxxHolic. A CLAMP title that is also popular and somewhat overrated on MAL, since I see a lot of given 10's. I haven't complete the anime yet to have a full view, however I can judge somewhat, since the anime is episodiac. What's so special about this? I am talking about the first season merely. People say "Oh, it's amazing", but all we see is random occult experiences. It's so random like the other downfall title, Seikimatsu Occult Gakuin. And it's not even scary! I was asking people about this anime and they were telling me some episodes are scary, while they are ridiculous. But it has an 8.25 score for nothing... Only good character is Yuuko, while Watanuki is just... Silly. But I believe it is mostly overrated because it is a CLAMP title. Like the other person said about Kobato, otherwise. |
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| Can't remember what I gave the first season. I'm going to guess '7.' It's funny, good character interactions, and is one of the few CLAMP shows that make the noodle people look charming. Kei was much better though. There's no real reason to take the ratings on this site seriously. The average user here is pretty dumb. This does remind me, though. I nominate Uraboku. |
noteDhero said: Can't remember what I gave the first season. I'm going to guess '7.' It's funny, good character interactions, and is one of the few CLAMP shows that make the noodle people look charming. Kei was much better though. There's no real reason to take the ratings on this site seriously. The average user here is pretty dumb. This does remind me, though. I nominate Uraboku. I also gave it a 7 so far, since it has some interesting psychological episodes. Mostly for that. The characters do not convince me that much, though. Is Kei also episodiac? The average user is rating of what is more popular; Look at High School of the Dead for example, while it was airing, it has a score of 8.24 or so and now it dropped to 8.05 or so. Uraboku was mostly watched by people because of the 'bishies', I bet. While the manga is completely different, the anime was just so... Rushed and nothing was answered. Although I did liked the characters & the basis of the story. And let's not forget, many girls watch anime only for the 'bishies' like Hakuouki or Vampire Knight. I will never understand that, even if I am a girl. |
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| So should I be nominating shows I know are unwatchable or shows I know are worse than people think they are? For now I'll assume the former and edit this post if corrected. Persona: Trinity Soul Kyouran Kazoku Nikki Suzumiya Haruhi no Yuuutsu (2009) Dragonaut - The Resonance Himitsu - Top Secret Kamen no Maid Guy Shakugan no Shana II I'll think of more later. |
| Ore no Imouto is complete, and absolutely should be on the minus list. http://myanimelist.net/reviews.php?id=32895 |
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| Should we really nominate Anime that we know are already bad? |
| lol i got an invite a long time ago -- just accepted to type this up this minus list will never work because everyone in this thread is nitpicking the most smallest of things and comparing the uncomparable (old school anime vs new age; and lets face it that just doesnt work: apples to oranges, they arent on the same plain of existence actually and really should be seperately debated) and i just have to say it DEATH NOTE should be on this list, and if you are baffled by that idea, you truly are the types that would take a look at a show and deem it worthy mostly based on loosely plotted story you can relate with and shiny art. there were some obvious fail parts and its ending was so completely devoid of anything, im surprised anyone enjoyed it enough for it to leap to the ranks of overrated. i think this is why i didnt join this club when i noticed the invite originally, big fans of death note, not a whole lot of people on it that have a whole lot of shows watched at that either, kind of defeats the purpose of this place, not to mention so many intellectually-challenged views on what makes something worthwhile and what doesnt. bottom line people will cater to bias/personal likes and shun whatever they dont understand/comprehend, cannot relate with or have peeves about; its the same ole story in nearly every post and it seems like a lot of the fair rational logic is tossed out the window ive also clicked on a few profiles just now and noticed that everyone ive checked has dropped anime. how can any of you even argue any standpoints for anything on this topic.. lol, dropping shows. good grief, im not sure how many mediocre shows ive sat through, but at least i sat through them and then put in some effort to try to fairly rate whatever it deserved. there are so many different ways to look at things and it feels like they are being mostly overlooked here. seriously though if you have dropped anime why are you even here? all this club seems to be is a handful of randomly picked like-minded individuals who are incapable of enjoying simple leisurely entertainment. bring it back to the basics: enjoyment/bias, music/voice, story/plot, characters, art/animation and toss in an overall. its not much to be pmsing over i dont even know why im here still blabbing on .. rofl. thats how unnerving this place is. no wonder no one joins, i feel bad for raging now |
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| @Despised: Putting aside a matter of fact that I don't understand people who by any chance hate DN, I understand why you are disappointed with all of this. Btw, dropping anime is natural to me, only to blame them for poorly-made 1st episode and premise, rather than development. I'm not watching much anime any more, just Bakemonogatari and Sayonara Zetsu Sensei. I can listen to them (audio only) without watching all day. |
| Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann |
| @Despised I was never under the impression that dropping titles was a prerequesite for joining the club. I, myself have plowed through a pelethora of sub-average titles, but I grew up watching most of it, so I have an affinity for cheesy, b-level entertainment (some of them are some of my all time favorites). And sharing some common likes and dislikes makes conversation easier in this club. Of course, that's my opinion. I could be wrong. |
[/url] | The impression is still the same. Prerequisites haven't changed. No one said it has, not even me. Cool bait, though (rofl?). I'll nibble. After browsing through your list, one thing has become painfully obvious: you've burned yourself out a long time ago both due to the amount of shows you've tried to finish and the amount you've tasted then put aside. This has made you highly cynical with the plethora of shows you TRY to watch, but ultimately fail in doing so. This has led you into a blending of all of the material you've already seen, yet, are unable to finish with whatever you impatiently and haphazardly pick up in place of those left behind, or soon to be. The pattern you create in doing this has left you not only extremely moody, but also with the false sense of righteousness. You began to condemn other things that even you've said yourself were things you grew up with and enjoy, but after a quick review, it's obviously no longer true and you're only fooling yourself, anymore. This type of reversal can really only stem from the fandom you so desperately try to destroy. It's both obnoxious and pretentious; downright hypocritical. Although you're married, you still manage to find time to churn out an excess amount of anime. For someone who is likely working, as well as your wife, this is far more than average, or normal in your case. If you don't slow way down and take a break from time to time (which I'm sure you'll insist has happened on numerous occasions due to less time, yada yada blah blah..) and reduce your intake, your delusions won't end. I suggest a new hobbie in the meantime. If you would actually commit to watching and stopped treating all of this like a stubborn and ignorant child, you might actually see more favor in your opinions and actually regain some credibility. Someone who can't take initiative and follow through with something they started doesn't have the right to dictate fact. It's really why you see a lot of times, people finish something, but still score it low. They have to do this otherwise no one will take it seriously. Because you don't usually finish what you start and instead drop tons of shows, a lot of which were probably worth finishing; you are a less than credible source for what is good and what is bad. Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann.. rofl. I can't say I disagree with the fact that it's a popular trendy-mainstream title. The likes of which majority of you are "fighting" against as your sole purpose in life. Makes all of this more and more amusing. Although, I'm not very fond of the trendy popularity of many shows, also; I don't go out of my way to try and destroy their fanbases. Hilarious, though. This does really look like a case of "stop liking what I don't like." Did someone tell you an anime you recommended wasn't as good as you said it was, or something? Pfft.. Really does seem like lots of butthurt in here. @mastertek Before I noticed a few specific things that others have completely overlooked, I thought it was a good title (7/10 at the very least), lacking the most in the ending. I've seen the show a few times. The most recent time I saw one of the earlier episodes (somewhere within the first maybe 5?) there is a part that could have summed the entire show up and ended it. It was so carefully devised that countless thousands (or millions) did not notice it. Add that to all of the character faults, length.. you have a less than stellar franchise, albeit one that recruits the less informed to much success. I'm not going to tell you what it is, you'll have to find it yourself. Telling you isn't enough, but if you didn't make the connection later between Light and L in the scene L is drying off Light's feet as correlation with religious implications of having his feet cleansed then you're unlikely to find it. It does have pseudo-shounen ai there also, which on the surface looks like service for yaoi fangirls/boys, which is bad. I'm not a religious fanatic, or anything that extreme, but you need to know some of the more important parts of those particular teachings to see the show for what it is, or really the lack of intelligence it at times portrays. I also don't disprove of it because of religion, or anything, that's not the issue. It's the somewhat crappily written plot and overall story that doesn't mesh all that well. The ending being overly typical 'justice' prevails. I do give it praise for some of the unique ideas it seems to have, although as a whole it's already become less and less unique: So far, I think Code Geass does a better 'main character as the villain/hero; which will it be?', but I just haven't gotten there yet. That's why it's overrated. |
DespisedJun 17, 2011 5:31 AM
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