| Is AI upscaling just a modern equivalent of DVD → Blu-ray remasters, or is it fundamentally changing the art in a way that is disrespectful? |
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| Just as you say, it is a disrespectful practice. it messes up the intended way to watch it and its fps. Unless its done by the studio themselves like a remaster, it's automatically disrespect in my eyes. The only possibly time that I'll excuse it is for screenshots for wallpapers, considering it's not in "movement". |
JayDaAnimeLordToday, 12:10 AM
 "Hard work is worthless for those that don’t believe in themselves" - Naruto Uzumaki I rate by enjoyment |
| Phew, I had no idea I'd have to watch them with a VHS player and a relic of a videocassette. Now I'm gonna watch some retro films in the "right" way ๐คฎ. Do me a favour, the only important thing is the content and new generations can consume old media without some much troubles |
| can a normal functioning human watch gantz normally, the release is fuckin ass. Though what does need AI is the plot of mushoku, shit's abysmal, I am sure AI can write a better plot than the author, people who defend that garbage never read a good story in their lives, imagine forgetting to use the magical eye. |
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| Not as wrong as to try to pick up girls in a dungeon |
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| These things are only considered wrong on Anilist...lol. They prefer to watch 144p resolution. This rule is called the “Anilist Pixel Privilege Protocol”, a system designed by anilist with too little server space, too little investment, and a villain laugh that echoes through Chicago basements. You can't now tell humans from furniture. The screen looks like a watercolor painting made by a drunk pigeon |
RainyEveningsToday, 12:10 AM
| Yes, very wrong. Those FHD and 4K enjoyers are evil. |
Reply to CosmicFusion
Yes, very wrong. Those FHD and 4K enjoyers are evil.
| @CosmicFusion KUHAHAHAHA… behold, true clarity. I watch natsume youjinchou and smell the forest. The screen is so sharp after Ai upscale it feels like a portal. I watch a summer festival episode and I feel the lantern heat. Anime after Ai upscale looks better than reality. I watch gourmet anime and I feel like I can see the steam on waifu’s glasses. |
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@CosmicFusion KUHAHAHAHA… behold, true clarity.
I watch natsume youjinchou and smell the forest.
The screen is so sharp after Ai upscale it feels like a portal. I watch a summer festival episode and I feel the lantern heat.
Anime after Ai upscale looks better than reality. I watch gourmet anime and I feel like I can see the steam on waifu’s glasses.
I watch natsume youjinchou and smell the forest.
The screen is so sharp after Ai upscale it feels like a portal. I watch a summer festival episode and I feel the lantern heat.
Anime after Ai upscale looks better than reality. I watch gourmet anime and I feel like I can see the steam on waifu’s glasses.
| @RainyEvenings Not to be the bearer of bad news but the flushed face and clouded vision is brain damage being inflicted upon you. |
| Nobody else cares how you watch anime, even those who claim to care actually don't. |
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| AI technology is overall garbage, so yes, using it is wrong. |
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| It makes those older shows more accessible and more pleasant to watch in general. But it can also make them look worse. It happens from time to time, even for fairly popular titles and their official releases, like Interstella 5555. One mustn't forget that AI upscaling is just a process, a tool (or rather a set of tools). If someone uses it without proper skill, knowledge, experience, then the final effect can be simply underwhelming. It's not disrespectful, anyway. Sure, remasters are usually better, but upscaled videos are just equivalent of modernizing the whole experience of watching something belonging to the older cinematography era. Official or fanmade, the idea is often the same. Saying that it's disrespectful in any way is funny, especially when someone mentions "intended way to consume older anime" all while refusing to, say, watch older anime on CRT display, and/or refusing to watch the oldest home video release on it (i.e. on VHS), lol. |
AdnashToday, 2:15 AM
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| Isn't it possible to upscale anime to high-resolution without AI technology? |
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| No AI upscaling and remastering are not the same thing. Remastering is going back to the raw uncompressed source data and creating a new master that is up to spec with the latest video standards. AI-upscaling is taking an already compressed file and guessing what might have been lost and adding it back in. With that you often get interpolation as well which is generating video data that was never present to begin with. I think it looks strange and unnatural, but some people enjoy it for some reason. |
| I would say so...because it wasn't originally in that resolution. Original matters more to me than some super higher resolution that isn't real |
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| I'm using Anime4K, otherwise the video quality looks bad on my 4K monitor. I don't care about others' thoughts, I don't want to watch pixelated episodes (and it's kinda funny seeing people saying it's disrespectful when they all watch their anime on pirated websites). |
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AI Upscaling genuinely looks like crap and smudges over lineart most of the time just like really bad DNR jobs did on early HD transfers. Intersetella 5555 in particular looks fucking awful Even something like this Sailor Moon example done by a fan shows issues with the lineart being all smudged and while it is technically "sharper" the art is fundamentally altered and is less clear overall (it also has not been color corrected so the skin tones look off too)  I would rather get an actually good hand-made remaster such as the Yu Yu Hakusho Blu Rays, the short lived DBZ Level Sets, than some crap that looks good at a glance until you zoom in and see everything melting |
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| Mfs will say AI upscaling is wrong only to pirate the anime instead. |
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| This has nothing to do with right and wrong. You can watch anime upscaled if you want. I watch most anime in some filtered form that imho improves the quality. If it looks good, I'm happy. If I can't find a version that looks good, I just watch something else. Maybe a version that looks better pops up along the years. I'm in no hurry. |
| The technology is not good enough to be able to be able to upscale while maintaining consistency of artstyle especially with old anime (which is how most people want to use it for), however if it is at some point able to get that good to where it can 100% preserve intention with orig artstyle I don't conceptually have an issue with it. Because in that case the AI isn't generative in the same way generating an image from something like midjourney would be. However rn it definitely isn't there yet, and its better to support and use real remasters instead. |
 People who consider themselves to be Anime Elitists need to learn what grass is. |
Reply to bentleys
I'm using Anime4K, otherwise the video quality looks bad on my 4K monitor. I don't care about others' thoughts, I don't want to watch pixelated episodes (and it's kinda funny seeing people saying it's disrespectful when they all watch their anime on pirated websites).
| @bentleys @Auron You are fundamentally misunderstanding the disrespect. No matter how you go about watching their work it remains their work. But running it through AI to upscale™ it is something else. That's not their work, it's not what it would have looked like at that size, and your impression of it will not be the same. |
| Do what you want in the comfort of your own home, just don't go polluting the "scene" by distributing AI-upscaled junk on it. |
Reply to Auron
Mfs will say AI upscaling is wrong only to pirate the anime instead.
| @Auron It's classic hypocrisy of many anime fans you can find on the Internet, sadly. Virtue signaling mixed with double standards and with lack of basic knowledge about the discussed subject in the first place (i.e. some people may be first to comment on the topic of AI upscaling, but don't know the difference between AI upscaling and remastering). But hey, at least sometimes it's kind of amusing to read, especially when you see users arguing whose misunderstood and pretty much made-up concept is actually real. xD |
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@Auron It's classic hypocrisy of many anime fans you can find on the Internet, sadly. Virtue signaling mixed with double standards and with lack of basic knowledge about the discussed subject in the first place (i.e. some people may be first to comment on the topic of AI upscaling, but don't know the difference between AI upscaling and remastering). But hey, at least sometimes it's kind of amusing to read, especially when you see users arguing whose misunderstood and pretty much made-up concept is actually real. xD
Adnash said: It's classic hypocrisy of many anime fans you can find on the Internet, sadly. Virtue signaling mixed with double standards and with lack of basic knowledge about the discussed subject in the first place It can be said about most people of various categories and in various contexts, not only about anime fans. |
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Adnash said:
It's classic hypocrisy of many anime fans you can find on the Internet, sadly. Virtue signaling mixed with double standards and with lack of basic knowledge about the discussed subject in the first place
It's classic hypocrisy of many anime fans you can find on the Internet, sadly. Virtue signaling mixed with double standards and with lack of basic knowledge about the discussed subject in the first place
It can be said about most people of various categories and in various contexts, not only about anime fans.
| @mrBored0m Of course, but in this particular context (anime enjoyers talking about AI upscaled anime), it clearly refers to anime fans. The fact that there are more groups of interest whose members act in a similar manner doesn't make any of these groups better or worse by default. Arguably many anime fans, due to how diverse the whole, hmm, "anime fandom" is, are more prone to act in the way I mentioned than, say, niche cinematography enjoyers. |
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bentleys said: (and it's kinda funny seeing people saying it's disrespectful when they all watch their anime on pirated websites) Auron said: Mfs will say AI upscaling is wrong only to pirate the anime instead. I don't understand this defense of AI, it's a complete strawman argument. How does pirating invalidate criticism of AI? And then you assume that if someone criticizes AI, they must be a pirate and therefore their opinion doesn't count. (By the way I do pay to watch anime on Crunchyroll, Netflix, Prime, and Hidive whenever possible. I think that Disney/Hulu and Max have terrible setups for sub watchers so I pirate anime that are supposed to be on those sites, as well as anime that didn't get licensed.) I assume you are trying to say that pirated anime looks worse than legit anime, but that is actually a pretty big misconception. If you torrent seasonal shows (web-dl) you are getting the same exact file that is being streamed to the paying customers. It hasn't been re-encoded or anything. It actually might be better quality because you won't have to worry about the resolution dipping due to bandwidth issues. But if you're talking BD/DVD rips well then yeah, that depends on the quality of the encode. Whenever you compress something, you're going to lose data. But the best encodes will strike a balance between getting rid of unnecessary and unnoticeable data while still preserving the highest level of detail possible. So a well done rip should look just as good as the source material to the human eye. Now when you bring AI into the picture, you are asking the AI to create data based on it's best guess of what should be there. Simple example: you have two frames. One with a dot on the left side of the screen and one with a dot on the right. You then ask the AI to give you a higher frame count by interpolating the data. What will the AI do? It might draw more dots in sequence moving from left to right. It might attempt to draw a line that moves from one side to the other. It might add a motion blur or echo effect to depict movement. There are lots of things it might try to do, but none of those things were present in the original 2 frames. Animators are skilled artists and the way they decide to depict motion is done meticulously and carefully. When you ask an AI to add in additional frames or create a higher resolution, it is generating new art based on some algorithm's best guess of what should be there. It has no idea about or regard for the animator's intended method or style. What you get in return is some visual horror that may look "sharper" or "smoother" but also looks unnatural and inhuman. I think anyone can come to this conclusion with knowledge of how the tech works, regardless of if they pirate or not. |
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