| It's not like I have a vow to not consume other stuff, I just... don't. How much are you missing? |
| I missed the past 25 years of american tv and movies because they became too disgusting to watch. In other words I missed nothing. |
| A lot. Even if you want to make a dumb argument, that all modern Western media sucks now, or even American media, you have decades upon decades, of amazing films/shows that came out. Hundreds of films, shows etc that are worth watching. And again, even as someone who isn't really in tune with Hollywood, or many big TV shows, I still find stuff. Plus being more familiar with works like Mad Max, Blade Runner etc will help you understand anime more as well, as anime has been heavily influenced by Western culture/pop culture. Literature is even more vast, and frankly I think Western SFF is in a really good spot now. A series like Suneater, has been better than most anime I have seen in the last 6-7 years, and it's not like I am super cynical on the medium. I still love modern anime, and most of what I have been watching. Plus you have literally centuries of classical literature, in addition to the modern stuff. Some of it is worth reading outside of a literature class. Works like 1984 and Crime and Punishment, I read outside of school, and they were worthy reads. Even more modern classics like Neuromancer are really good, and you should check out to understand the Cyberpunk genre, as a whole, which yeah was important in the history of this medium, though not very important now. Of course you have the games market, which again is all over the place, but again I think Western games are doing fine, if you avoid some of the big fuck ups, from big studios. Anyway, like I have said to you, I don't care if you or other anime fans don't care to engage in other media. You only have so much time out there, and and you have to pick what you want to focus on. Honestly I am more of an anime fan, than a film buff, though I am trying to get more into films. So it's not like I don't prioritize anime highly, I do. I engage in anime, more than a lot of media, though books, and films are finally starting to get up there. Regardless, what I can't stand is listening to people pretend they have a vast understanding of media, when they only watch anime, and few major Western films/franchises. The amount of overgeneralizations and straight up ignorance, from weebs hating on other media formats is pretty hilarious, and also mildly rage inducing, due to how stupid the takes are. When I listen to a weeb talk about other media, it's like listening to a boomer talk about anime....which again can be funny or mad numbingly dumb, or both. If anime is what gives you pleasure, and only anime, cool......watch anime. The goal of entertainment isn't to become a scholar of media, though yeah, if that is your goal, then yeah, anime is going to limit your wider understanding. Anime is the most varied animation medium out there, though that says how poor the choices for animation are, rather than how diverse anime actually is. For me, I just want to have fun. I don't care about being some informed critic on art. Though I need variety, and anime becomes stale for me, if that is all I am watching/consuming. Right now I have a balance, and I have been getting more hyped up on the medium again. I probably will eventually burn out again, and go back to books/TV shows/films, and the cycle repeats. |
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| Well, a lot. Movies and TV alone is quite a huge chunk of media, and that's including animated material that isn't specifically anime. There are people who only read books or comics, also a massive option. Then if you include story-based video games you are missing out on even more. It doesn't really matter though. There is always something you will be missing out on, that's why some people get FOMO for a lot of things. Just avoiding social media apps or YouTube for a few days will have people feel like they are cut off from the world. You know what you like and primarily consume that form of media, that's actually really good. With so many options out there it's very easy to get decision-paralysis. Kind of like people who will scroll around Netflix for half an hour just to put something on they've already watched multiple times. It's just an easier choice. |
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| I'm missing out on over 99% of all entertainment. |
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XMGA030 said: I missed the past 25 years of american tv and movies because they became too disgusting to watch. In other words I missed nothing. This is painfully inane. There are countless phenomenal American movies and series from the past quarter century. The United States is the top producer in the world for these (and various other media) by an enormous margin. There is content to choose from of every imaginable variety, including new installments in older franchises. You can't honestly claim you didn't miss anything while simultaneously boasting of your willful ignorance of not even watching the things you refer to, thus admitting you have no idea what you are talking about. You're just in denial. I get the feeling you've at least seen Zootopia, considering your avatar.  BilboBaggins365 said: Regardless, what I can't stand is listening to people pretend they have a vast understanding of media, when they only watch anime, and few major Western films/franchises. The amount of overgeneralizations and straight up ignorance, from weebs hating on other media formats is pretty hilarious, and also mildly rage inducing, due to how stupid the takes are. When I listen to a weeb talk about other media, it's like listening to a boomer talk about anime....which again can be funny or mad numbingly dumb, or both. I'm convinced that people who exclusively watch anime while bashing everything else (despite not even having seen or read the other content in general) have some sort of mental disability. Anime is the most varied animation medium out there, though that says how poor the choices for animation are, rather than how diverse anime actually is. Is it? I've seen over ten thousand anime episodes (if you count rewatches) and probably tens of thousands of western animation episodes...and I always thought the latter had more diverse art styles, character designs and the like. As far as stories go, they are both wildly varied, though anime has a higher prevalence of dark, serious themes. Western animation usually has a higher frame rate, while anime tends to have more detailed background artwork. Western animation is leagues beyond (almost all) anime when it comes to 3DCG animation quality. (Just to mention a few differences.) If I were to pick a handful from each at random, anime would feel more formulaic to me than western animation. For every anime that is distinctive, there are dozens that are practically cookie cutter copies of each other. For me, I just want to have fun. I don't care about being some informed critic on art. Though I need variety, and anime becomes stale for me, if that is all I am watching/consuming. Right now I have a balance, and I have been getting more hyped up on the medium again. I probably will eventually burn out again, and go back to books/TV shows/films, and the cycle repeats. On that note, I got burnt out so badly I've barely watched anime in the past year. Years ago I watched anime for many hours every day. Now that I've seen so much, it's more challenging to find things that impress me. Even for new seasons of series I love that I've been meaning to catch up on, I lost interest for the time being and will have to wait until I build up enthusiasm for it. |
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XMGA030 said:
I missed the past 25 years of american tv and movies because they became too disgusting to watch.
In other words I missed nothing.
I missed the past 25 years of american tv and movies because they became too disgusting to watch.
In other words I missed nothing.
This is painfully inane. There are countless phenomenal American movies and series from the past quarter century.
The United States is the top producer in the world for these (and various other media) by an enormous margin. There is content to choose from of every imaginable variety, including new installments in older franchises.
You can't honestly claim you didn't miss anything while simultaneously boasting of your willful ignorance of not even watching the things you refer to, thus admitting you have no idea what you are talking about. You're just in denial.
I get the feeling you've at least seen Zootopia, considering your avatar.
BilboBaggins365 said:
Regardless, what I can't stand is listening to people pretend they have a vast understanding of media, when they only watch anime, and few major Western films/franchises. The amount of overgeneralizations and straight up ignorance, from weebs hating on other media formats is pretty hilarious, and also mildly rage inducing, due to how stupid the takes are. When I listen to a weeb talk about other media, it's like listening to a boomer talk about anime....which again can be funny or mad numbingly dumb, or both.
Regardless, what I can't stand is listening to people pretend they have a vast understanding of media, when they only watch anime, and few major Western films/franchises. The amount of overgeneralizations and straight up ignorance, from weebs hating on other media formats is pretty hilarious, and also mildly rage inducing, due to how stupid the takes are. When I listen to a weeb talk about other media, it's like listening to a boomer talk about anime....which again can be funny or mad numbingly dumb, or both.
I'm convinced that people who exclusively watch anime while bashing everything else (despite not even having seen or read the other content in general) have some sort of mental disability.
Anime is the most varied animation medium out there, though that says how poor the choices for animation are, rather than how diverse anime actually is.
Is it? I've seen over ten thousand anime episodes (if you count rewatches) and probably tens of thousands of western animation episodes...and I always thought the latter had more diverse art styles, character designs and the like. As far as stories go, they are both wildly varied, though anime has a higher prevalence of dark, serious themes. Western animation usually has a higher frame rate, while anime tends to have more detailed background artwork. Western animation is leagues beyond (almost all) anime when it comes to 3DCG animation quality. (Just to mention a few differences.)
If I were to pick a handful from each at random, anime would feel more formulaic to me than western animation. For every anime that is distinctive, there are dozens that are practically cookie cutter copies of each other.
For me, I just want to have fun. I don't care about being some informed critic on art. Though I need variety, and anime becomes stale for me, if that is all I am watching/consuming. Right now I have a balance, and I have been getting more hyped up on the medium again. I probably will eventually burn out again, and go back to books/TV shows/films, and the cycle repeats.
On that note, I got burnt out so badly I've barely watched anime in the past year. Years ago I watched anime for many hours every day. Now that I've seen so much, it's more challenging to find things that impress me. Even for new seasons of series I love that I've been meaning to catch up on, I lost interest for the time being and will have to wait until I build up enthusiasm for it.
SmugSatoko said: Art styles you may have an argument, the stories themselves though? No. You have crime thrillers, rom coms, classic adventure stories, sci fi detective stories and stories about literally doing nothing. Western animation just doesn't have that in amount or variety. That's why I drifted over here, rather than staying with Western animation in the first place. It's not like they are incapable of telling those stories either, it's just in terms of amount, and commitment anime is on another level. It's getting better, though narratively Western animation still has a long way to go. Is it? I've seen over ten thousand anime episodes (if you count rewatches) and probably tens of thousands of western animation episodes...and I always thought the latter had more diverse art styles, character designs and the like. The art and animation though..yeah a lot of it is quite beautiful. Cartoon Saloon's works are some of my favorites. |
BilboBaggins365 said: Art styles you may have an argument, the stories themselves though? No. You have crime thrillers, rom coms, classic adventure stories, sci fi detective stories and stories about literally doing nothing. Western animation just doesn't have that in amount or variety. Oh, but it does. ;) You should venture beyond the most popular titles. Everything you listed is available outside of anime. That's why I drifted over here, rather than staying with Western animation in the first place. It's not like they are incapable of telling those stories either, it's just in terms of amount, and commitment anime is on another level. I don't see how sheer quantity of titles is relevant when there are more to choose from than one would watch in a lifetime. I also don't know what you mean by commitment. It's getting better, though narratively Western animation still has a long way to go. How so? Describe narrative aspects that are lacking in western animation, if that's what you were implying. The art and animation though..yeah a lot of it is quite beautiful. Cartoon Saloon's works are some of my favorites. As you touched upon, another thing to bear in mind is that western animation is comprised of works from numerous countries, not just the US. |
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There are countless phenomenal American movies and series from the past quarter century. ...in your opinion. You can't honestly claim you didn't miss anything while simultaneously boasting of your willful ignorance of not even watching the things you refer to, What a roundabout way of calling me a liar. When you live with other people who are addicted to screens you're bound to catch glimpses of what's playing, and that's all took for me know what utterly bestial filth the media had devolved into at the turn of this century. I didn't need to actually sit down and watch trash like Cube or the bruce willis Death Wish in order to know what's up. Even one fucking look at the posters on a Redbox kiosk makes it clear the new millennium hollywood is all about the lowest common denominator...to say it kindly. SmugSatoko said: I get the feeling you've at least seen Zootopia, considering your avatar. Never heard of that, maybe I'll watch it someday. I do like teh foxes. |
XMGA0305 hours ago
| No matter what you do, you're going to miss out on most of everything. I'm making an effort to minimize this as far as good anime go. I also tried to keep up with Hollweird movies for a while, but over the past 25 years those have gotten so terrible that I don't even have motivation to look at the pile to find something good. For 1920-2000 I'm pretty well versed in Hollywood, though. Now, as far as movies from all other countries are concerned, I'm more or less a blank slate. And nevermind TV. The pile is just too big and outside of anime it is so very, very rare to find something good that doesn't get dragged out and beaten to death with more seasons than it was worth. Put on the spot I can't even think of a good live-action TV series that was neither cut short (Police Squad, Firefly) nor extended for too long (X-Files, Star Trek). Then there's a whole world of anime Drama CDs to explore that I haven't gotten into much. |
| About video games...we're probably approaching market saturation for video games, they're mainstream entertainment now so basically everyone who wants to play them can and does. So there isn't any room to grow further. |
Mao said: If you have to shit, shit! If you have to fart, fart!  |
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BilboBaggins365 said:
Art styles you may have an argument, the stories themselves though? No. You have crime thrillers, rom coms, classic adventure stories, sci fi detective stories and stories about literally doing nothing. Western animation just doesn't have that in amount or variety.
Art styles you may have an argument, the stories themselves though? No. You have crime thrillers, rom coms, classic adventure stories, sci fi detective stories and stories about literally doing nothing. Western animation just doesn't have that in amount or variety.
Oh, but it does. ;) You should venture beyond the most popular titles. Everything you listed is available outside of anime.
That's why I drifted over here, rather than staying with Western animation in the first place. It's not like they are incapable of telling those stories either, it's just in terms of amount, and commitment anime is on another level.
I don't see how sheer quantity of titles is relevant when there are more to choose from than one would watch in a lifetime. I also don't know what you mean by commitment.
It's getting better, though narratively Western animation still has a long way to go.
How so? Describe narrative aspects that are lacking in western animation, if that's what you were implying.
The art and animation though..yeah a lot of it is quite beautiful. Cartoon Saloon's works are some of my favorites.
As you touched upon, another thing to bear in mind is that western animation is comprised of works from numerous countries, not just the US.
SmugSatoko said: Kay...I like space operas, space war shit, within anime I have the entirety of the Gundam franchise, and multiple other mecha franchises like Macross, or various standalone works, like Heroic Age, which I am going to start watching soon. I also have other entries like my favourite Legend of the Galactic Heroes. Give me Western animated shows that do that genre, that aren't Star Wars, and those shorts GW is doing. Oh, but it does. ;) You should venture beyond the most popular titles. Everything you listed is available outside of anime. I mean it's not common anymore in the medium, however hey Gundam is still going strong, and hey I will extend it to just military focused stories in general, like Kingdom, 86, or Saga of Tanya the Evil as well, since I love those works too. SmugSatoko said: I feel that way about anime, not Western animation. I am not going to end up with a list of 1000+ entries if I really browsed. I don't see how sheer quantity of titles is relevant when there are more to choose from than one would watch in a lifetime. I also don't know what you mean by commitment. |
| I mean I specifically started watching anime because Hollywood became unwatchable, so I wouldn't be missing much there. |
XMGA030 said: ...in your opinion. In my informed opinion, after having watched an incredible amount of them. What a roundabout way of calling me a liar. I pointed out the contradiction of your assertion. You can't say you missed nothing if you don't even know what is there. I assure you it is not nothing. When you live with other people who are addicted to screens you're bound to catch glimpses of what's playing, and that's all took for me know what utterly bestial filth the media had devolved into at the turn of this century. I didn't need to actually sit down and watch trash like Cube or the bruce willis Death Wish in order to know what's up. Even one fucking look at the posters on a Redbox kiosk makes it clear the new millennium hollywood is all about the lowest common denominator...to say it kindly. There's no denying there's plenty of junk out there (which likewise applies to prior time periods)...but that does not negate the fact that there are so many great movies and series as well. At any rate, your assessment is not based on any credible level of experience. Never heard of that, maybe I'll watch it tomorrow. I do like teh foxes. It's ironic that you didn't know your avatar was based on it. BilboBaggins365 said: Kay...I like space operas, space war shit, within anime I have the entirety of the Gundam franchise, and multiple other mecha franchises like Macross, or various standalone works, like Heroic Age, which I am going to start watching soon. I also have other entries like my favourite Legend of the Galactic Heroes. Give me Western animated shows that do that genre, that aren't Star Wars, and those shorts GW is doing. Aw, drat! I was going to recommend the recent 3DCG series Star Wars: The Bad Batch. (Which I immensely enjoyed; more than most of the films.) Instead I will recommend the movie Treasure Planet to start with. (Though it's popular, so you've likely seen it.) Here are many others. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_space_opera_media I asked AI and it provided these recommendations. I mean it's not common anymore in the medium, however hey Gundam is still going strong, and hey I will extend it to just military focused stories in general, like Kingdom, 86, or Saga of Tanya the Evil as well, since I love those works too. Are you trying to say you don't think western animation has military themes? o.O Someone didn't grow up with G.I. Joe action figures. :P I feel that way about anime, not Western animation. I am not going to end up with a list of 1000+ entries if I really browsed. Wait...now you're claiming there are less than a thousand titles in western animation? There are far more than that, especially if you count movies. The point is, there is so much content that you would never actually watch it all in a lifetime, so quantity is irrelevant here. (That goes for both anime and western media.) (Or perhaps you meant entries in a given subgenre rather than the total number, in which case I must ask why you want a thousand series to watch of just one subgenre.) |
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| no way! i wanna watch movies and read literature too... Stephen Chow's A Chinese Oddysey is a masterpiece. |
| idk uhhhhhh a lot???????? Id call you the f word but they would ban me for that |
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SmugSatoko said: There are countless phenomenal American movies and series from the past quarter century. That's technically true, but most of the good ones are in the early 2000s, but after 2010 those slowly dried up, and now finding something like The Gorge, a random action movie with barely coherent plot is like a breath of fresh air, just because it merely tried to be entertaining with no ulterior motive. (That's a recommendation btw, if you are into the "dumb fun with likeable characters" genre.) |
| You'll also be missing out on a ton of amazing Japanese films/TV shows/novels/video games ect too, if you stick only to anime and manga. |
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SmugSatoko said: In my informed opinion, after having watched an incredible amount of them. Self-praise is gauche. Sorry but you just lost all credibility right there. I pointed out the contradiction of your assertion. You can't say you missed nothing if you don't even know what is there. I assure you it is not nothing. But I do know what is there. As I'd explained I've caught enough of it over 25 years to see the ugly big picture, and I'm not interested. Fine if you dig that stuff, but please don't start doing the classic internet poster gag of claiming that your shit taste is objectively grounded and call me pleb or something because I don't appreciate vin diesel-looking thugs gratuitously murdering people on screen. There's no denying there's plenty of junk out there (which likewise applies to prior time periods)...but that does not negate the fact that there are so many great movies and series as well. At any rate, your assessment is not based on any credible level of experience. From what I've seen there's a junk over gold ratio at least 50 times greater now than what held in the years before 2000-2001. I'm not going slushing through that swamp just to find one or two decent shows alleged to exist, if that be what you're implying I should do. It's ironic that you didn't know your avatar was based on it. Why? Is zootopia some thuggish trash, too? I don't see how else this could be 'ironic'. |
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no way! i wanna watch movies and read literature too... Stephen Chow's A Chinese Oddysey is a masterpiece.
| @Ymir_The_Viking his movies were so funny I peed myself laughing |
XMGA030 said: Self-praise is gauche. Sorry but you just lost all credibility right there. This isn't about me, and I have done nothing to lose credibility. You're just making baseless claims here. I stated the obvious fact that experience is what matters. The opinion of someone who has seen thousands of movies holds more weight than someone who has only seen a dozen, for example. But I do know what is there. As I'd explained I've caught enough of it over 25 years to see the ugly big picture, and I'm not interested. Fine if you dig that stuff, but please don't start doing the classic internet poster gag of claiming that your shit taste is objectively grounded and call me pleb or something because I don't appreciate vin diesel-looking thugs gratuitously murdering people on screen. You mean briefly glancing at snippets from the most popular films? lol. That barely scratches the surface. Like I said, you have no idea what you are talking about; there are movies and series of every imaginable variety, not just "thuggish trash" as you put it. You claim I have "shit taste" without any basis at all (or knowing much about my actual taste) because you are desperate to save face after I explained how your position is indefensible. Besides, the entire concept of taste is contingent upon subjectivity, so it cannot be objectively grounded per se. From what I've seen there's a junk over gold ratio at least 50 times greater now than what held in the years before 2000-2001. I'm not going slushing through that swamp just to find one or two decent shows alleged to exist, if that be what you're implying I should do. One or two? I told you there are countless ones. You wouldn't know, because you have no meaningful experience. I mean, really. Just think about how silly your attitude is. "I didn't watch all those thousands of movies and series, but they're bad, because trust me, bro." Why? Is zootopia some thuggish trash, too? I don't see how else this could be 'ironic'. I thought it was self-evident why it was ironic. Normally, when someone uses fan art, they know who the character is and what franchise it is from. I guess you just found a random fox pic without realizing what it was. |
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| Ah well... depends what else you're into and how much I suppose? Animanga isn't the only thing I consume, but it makes up the majority of stuff though. I do miss out on other stuff definitely, not because I don't have enough time, but I guess Animanga is just easier to find and it's what I feel like doing more often than not. I'm missing a lot of regular TV stuff, even though there's nothing I really want to watch on it, I sometimes feel awkward when family are talking about TV and ask me if I've seen this or that or whatever. I'm potentially missing out on dozens of wrestling shows, although I'm only sticking to 3-4 main ones that I like and are different enough from eachother to not feel samey, and I know where I can watch them. I haven't been following Australia's Supercar series at all for the past 2 years. It's a series I love but I can't always find somewhere uhm...free to follow it. Fortunately now I have and I'm really gonna try and make an effort to follow the series next year, as Toyota will be entering and that'll make things different instead of it being just Ford & Chevrolet. I still have in my house dozens of books, videogames & movies that I haven't touched. I'm slowly getting through them though. I like taking a book to read on the train to read when I'm traveling to places or on vacation. The latter actually I found really nice to be away from screens and have a relaxing read in peace and quiet. |
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SmugSatoko said: the entire concept of taste is contingent upon subjectivity, so it cannot be objectively grounded. Meanwhile everything you're saying is that 21st century hollywood is good WHETHER I LIKE IT OR NOT....and you don't even realize what you're doing. Now right there's an example of true irony. Stop giving me this illogical shit and do something useful like post a femboy. |
XMGA030 said: Meanwhile everything you're saying is that 21st century hollywood is good WHETHER I LIKE IT OR NOT....and you don't even realize what you're doing. Now right there's an example of true irony. Stop giving me this illogical shit and do something useful like post a femboy. Excuse me? The topic at hand is western movies and series, including animation and live action. Hollywood is only a small part of that. How about you stop being illogical and start paying attention? I never said something is good whether you like it or not. Good and bad are personal opinions in this context, so that wouldn't even make sense. But you cannot have a meaningful, credible opinion on things you have not seen. Let's use anime as an example. Imagine someone claims all anime is bad, then it turns out they have never watched a single episode of anime. Their opinion is not an informed one. They definitively have no clue what they are talking about. That is what you are doing with western media, to a lesser extent. |
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SmugSatoko said: I've seen over ten thousand anime episodes (if you count rewatches) and probably tens of thousands of western animation episodes. I guess the real question is, is the goal to consume more... or to feel more from what is consumed? |
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LoveYourSmile said: I guess the real question is, is the goal to consume more... or to feel more from what is consumed? The goal is to feel more by consuming more, of course! |
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| @SmugSatoko Alright, your point is clear now and I'm fair minded enough to admit the logic of it, but I'm still not watching anything from the last 25 years of hollyweird. I don't care how awesome you claim it is. After this long I wouldn't even be able to understand the references in any show or movie. |
| Objectively speaking, you’d be missing out on a lot of things, live-action shows and movies, books and novels, games, and even sports. But at the end of the day, if none of these genuinely interest you, then you’re not really missing anything important. What matters is whether those experiences bring you joy or meaning, not whether they’re considered essential by others. |
SmugSatoko said: The goal is to feel more by consuming more, of course! I'm not entirely convinced, to be honest. I'm fascinated by the idea of your tens of thousands of everything across music (which is "your life"), anime, western animation, movies, series, books (I still remember your "Dostoevsky for neophytes", haha), games, random youtube vids, and even milk yield per capita in the USA and other political economy stuff. But, projecting that onto my own very limited memory capacity, I can't see how it leads to a wholesome life. Of course, you need to get a grip on some stuff, expand your perspective a little, and deepen understanding in your own domains. But what's the point of dedicating so much time to all that random, mostly forgettable noise? My resistors burn out after as little as one movie per day. I'd rather take my time to reflect on what I've consumed than rush into something new while chewing my sandwich. PS: Hope the zootopia sequel will be as cool as the first one. I mean, some things are still worth putting down the sandwich, haha. |
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| Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. |
| Anime, manga and gaming are the only forms of entertainment I consume. I do watch a movie once or twice a year but thats about it. I dont think I am missing out on anything. There are some series that I might want to try but it still doesnt interest me enough to make me regret not watching it. |
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| Anime or not you're missing out on 100% of everything you didn't get to. |
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