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Sep 12, 8:48 PM
#1
People had been hyping this show months before it came put. Now after watching 13 episodes of it, did it met your expectations? |
Go read 'Mediterranean Hegemon of Ancient Greece' If you like webnovel with historical, military and kingdom building genre. |
Sep 12, 9:09 PM
#2
Yes. LOTM is my 2nd favorite show of the year (my number 1 is still To Be Hero X) and I'm gonna start reading the novel now. So 10/10. I just wished the fandom didn't spoil every minor / major detail of volume 1 in the comment sections. But hey LOTM fans are dedicated. So I give them credit for that. Praise the fool! |
Sep 12, 9:22 PM
#3
Reply to DonghuaFan
Yes. LOTM is my 2nd favorite show of the year (my number 1 is still To Be Hero X) and I'm gonna start reading the novel now. So 10/10. I just wished the fandom didn't spoil every minor / major detail of volume 1 in the comment sections. But hey LOTM fans are dedicated. So I give them credit for that. Praise the fool!
@DonghuaFan lol I am the same but the other way around. LOTM is my number 1 show of the year and 2nd place is To be Hero X, mainly because I prefer the eldritch horror victorian setting than the superhero's one. |
Sep 12, 9:42 PM
#4
It was never really gonna live up to the hype for me. Good show though. I enjoyed watching it for the most part. |
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Sep 12, 10:30 PM
#5
Not really. The production is direction-less. The animation was pretty inconsistent. They didn't really know what to highlight or even how. For someone who hasn't read the novel, they didn't really answer anything and couldn't understand that many things. It probably could have been good with a more visionary director/studio like shaft, but this wasn't a very strong S1. |
Sep 12, 10:43 PM
#6
Reply to ktg
Not really.
The production is direction-less. The animation was pretty inconsistent. They didn't really know what to highlight or even how.
For someone who hasn't read the novel, they didn't really answer anything and couldn't understand that many things.
It probably could have been good with a more visionary director/studio like shaft, but this wasn't a very strong S1.
The production is direction-less. The animation was pretty inconsistent. They didn't really know what to highlight or even how.
For someone who hasn't read the novel, they didn't really answer anything and couldn't understand that many things.
It probably could have been good with a more visionary director/studio like shaft, but this wasn't a very strong S1.
@ktg I agree that the 2D animation was inconsistent, especially the character animation when they were running or walking. The studio is capable of producing good walking and running animations, but most of the time the movements just felt unnatural. But the 3D CGI animation was pretty consistent throughout the whole season. About the production, despite its issues I think it was still better than 95% of the shows that have come out in the last few years. As for the directing, I felt it was inconsistent. Sometimes it was good, but other times it just felt weird. |
Jfs_Sep 12, 10:48 PM
Go read 'Mediterranean Hegemon of Ancient Greece' If you like webnovel with historical, military and kingdom building genre. |
Sep 13, 12:10 AM
#7
Kinda I never expected the donghua to adapt 1:1 but I enjoyed this version regardless. The novel is still better due to how detailed, slow paced and fleshed out things are but The emotional scenes were better done in the donghua. It’s a solid adaptation for me |
Sep 13, 12:25 AM
#8
As a donghua only. Best season of the year. Dont care what anyone says |
Sep 13, 1:38 AM
#9
Reply to Jfs_
@ktg I agree that the 2D animation was inconsistent, especially the character animation when they were running or walking. The studio is capable of producing good walking and running animations, but most of the time the movements just felt unnatural.
But the 3D CGI animation was pretty consistent throughout the whole season.
About the production, despite its issues I think it was still better than 95% of the shows that have come out in the last few years.
As for the directing, I felt it was inconsistent. Sometimes it was good, but other times it just felt weird.
But the 3D CGI animation was pretty consistent throughout the whole season.
About the production, despite its issues I think it was still better than 95% of the shows that have come out in the last few years.
As for the directing, I felt it was inconsistent. Sometimes it was good, but other times it just felt weird.
@Jfs_ sometimes when they are walking it's like they are floating and sometimes the horses and backgrounds characters looks weird in CGI ,but it has the best backgrounds in any animated show I've seen |
Sep 13, 1:47 AM
#10
I'm on episode 8 since I'm watching the English dub, and as of now, it hasn't lived up to the hype since I'm not crazy over it or anything, but I'm still enjoying it. This anime is not a lightning in a bottle, but it's nice and enjoyable. It's an 8/10 anime so far, and the English dub is pretty darn good. I love that exotic British accent. |
Sep 13, 1:54 AM
#11
Reply to lalindu
@Jfs_ sometimes when they are walking it's like they are floating and sometimes the horses and backgrounds characters looks weird in CGI ,but it has the best backgrounds in any animated show I've seen
@lalindu yeah the background visuals is easily one of the best in animated history. |
Go read 'Mediterranean Hegemon of Ancient Greece' If you like webnovel with historical, military and kingdom building genre. |
Sep 13, 2:21 AM
#12
Sep 13, 3:38 AM
#13
Sep 13, 4:00 AM
#14
Yes it did, but episode 1 and 2 were a mess. |
Sep 13, 4:20 AM
#15
I didn't had any hype since i started to read the novel after the anime was almost finished. It is peak . I love the music, the animation and the voice acting. If i had to nitpick on something is that although they took great liberties with the story they didn't fix the structural weakness of the volume one's ending. Everything explained in 2' or 2 pages at the end is not top writing. Another issue is the leak of the release schedule and their plan to wrap up everything by 2035. If you are interested in the story would you wait for 10 years or open an e-book ? this does not mean that the masses wouldn't watch the series as they come out but it would push many people to read on and get their expectations sky high. To give a mild spoiler Volume 2 is way better than Volume 1 and definitely deserves the 30 episodes they are planning but who is going to wait? |
Sep 13, 4:29 AM
#16
Reply to Asangbanne
I didn't had any hype since i started to read the novel after the anime was almost finished. It is peak . I love the music, the animation and the voice acting.
If i had to nitpick on something is that although they took great liberties with the story they didn't fix the structural weakness of the volume one's ending. Everything explained in 2' or 2 pages at the end is not top writing.
Another issue is the leak of the release schedule and their plan to wrap up everything by 2035. If you are interested in the story would you wait for 10 years or open an e-book ? this does not mean that the masses wouldn't watch the series as they come out but it would push many people to read on and get their expectations sky high. To give a mild spoiler Volume 2 is way better than Volume 1 and definitely deserves the 30 episodes they are planning but who is going to wait?
If i had to nitpick on something is that although they took great liberties with the story they didn't fix the structural weakness of the volume one's ending. Everything explained in 2' or 2 pages at the end is not top writing.
Another issue is the leak of the release schedule and their plan to wrap up everything by 2035. If you are interested in the story would you wait for 10 years or open an e-book ? this does not mean that the masses wouldn't watch the series as they come out but it would push many people to read on and get their expectations sky high. To give a mild spoiler Volume 2 is way better than Volume 1 and definitely deserves the 30 episodes they are planning but who is going to wait?
@Asangbanne nah we have to be grateful we are getting season 2 in 2 years and that the other seasons are going to be adapted at some point in time (most anime don't even have this opportunity) |
Sep 13, 4:38 AM
#17
not really no but it wasn't a disappointment to say the least, it's an okay show |
Sep 13, 4:38 AM
#18
Reply to Skullwild
@Asangbanne nah we have to be grateful we are getting season 2 in 2 years and that the other seasons are going to be adapted at some point in time (most anime don't even have this opportunity)
@Skullwild I am grateful that Tencent decided to throw so much money in the series, no question about that. From what i get this is a very successful novel in their home country of 1.5b and with so high production values invested this is not like most anime. |
Sep 13, 6:47 AM
#19
No, people were hyping it like it will be the anime of the year, it's not because of the rushed early episodes. It had the potential though. Not a Donghua only. As for, no. I'm not saying that it's bad, it is good/great but I expected more honestly. |
Sep 13, 10:08 AM
#20
I never had any hype about this show just went blindly lol. It was good but literally random things happened here and there without much context so mixed feelings about the series |
Sep 13, 10:53 AM
#21
its thanks to this and hero x donghua fans are getting way too cocky with their takes |
Sep 13, 12:35 PM
#22
Been waiting years for this adaptation to come out. Did it live up to the hype... Not quite. + Show has some of the best visuals of any animated series. + Fantastic musical score that enhanced certain scenes. + Amazing Chinese & English Dub. + Somehow managed to tell the story of Volume 1 (one of the weakest vols) in 13 episodes. - Pacing issues and a lot of important skipped content. - Not enough Tarot Club Meetings. - Erratic camerawork during fights, when they should have focused on smoother animation. Although it wasn't the best adaptation I could have hoped for, at least it was a good adaptation. I'm still waiting for that Release That Witch anime adaptation. |
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Sep 13, 2:20 PM
#23
My expectations were Bloodborne: the anime, but being kind of One Piece-like in needing a good amount of episodes to get good, and also having found very hard to follow most donghua I've previously watched probably due to bad translations. And what I got was something as confusing and disturbing as Bloodborne, but with way better animation than I expected, and better story than expected from what I usually read people call a "boring and slow start to a masterpiece". So it went way above my expectations, maybe because I didn't fall into the collective hype apart from loving the bloodborne vibes, maybe because it's just the kind of story I love, or maybe because it just was that good. |
Sep 13, 8:32 PM
#24
No, it obviously didn't. It sucked at storytelling and pacing, as if it were made only for people who were already familiar with the source material. It jumping from random timelines back and forth only made it more confusing, one such example being it introducing some guy named the sun, then completely erasing him from the story. Half of the time it felt like watching references and nods, not a well written contiguous story. From when it started - with some rush explanations with the in-universe rules - to where it ended - his rebirth, the anime fails at exposition from beginning to end. None of this is new with chinese animations, as they always suck at these things, which is why nothing animated by them will ever be top tier. It's as if they expect you to already know what these niche mythologies are, failing to properly expose a new audience to them, which ultimately leads to a disappointing work of art. Too bad, it could have been anime of the year had they not failed so hard at the most basic aspect of storytelling. |
Sep 13, 9:26 PM
#25
Reply to robertino129
No, it obviously didn't. It sucked at storytelling and pacing, as if it were made only for people who were already familiar with the source material. It jumping from random timelines back and forth only made it more confusing, one such example being it introducing some guy named the sun, then completely erasing him from the story. Half of the time it felt like watching references and nods, not a well written contiguous story. From when it started - with some rush explanations with the in-universe rules - to where it ended - his rebirth, the anime fails at exposition from beginning to end.
None of this is new with chinese animations, as they always suck at these things, which is why nothing animated by them will ever be top tier. It's as if they expect you to already know what these niche mythologies are, failing to properly expose a new audience to them, which ultimately leads to a disappointing work of art. Too bad, it could have been anime of the year had they not failed so hard at the most basic aspect of storytelling.
None of this is new with chinese animations, as they always suck at these things, which is why nothing animated by them will ever be top tier. It's as if they expect you to already know what these niche mythologies are, failing to properly expose a new audience to them, which ultimately leads to a disappointing work of art. Too bad, it could have been anime of the year had they not failed so hard at the most basic aspect of storytelling.
robertino129 said: It jumping from random timelines back and forth only made it more confusing, one such example being it introducing some guy named the sun, then completely erasing him from the story. That's for the special episode in 2026. Since it doesn't fit into the overarching plot of Season 1, it was put into a post credits scene, basically as a mini trailer for the special episode. It's mostly there to give you an idea of when the special episode takes place canonically. The Tarot Club took a back seat in the later half of the season since they weren't necessary to progress the plot further, which some people may dislike, but it doesn't mean that it's a confusing timeline. |
Sep 13, 10:34 PM
#26
Reply to robertino129
No, it obviously didn't. It sucked at storytelling and pacing, as if it were made only for people who were already familiar with the source material. It jumping from random timelines back and forth only made it more confusing, one such example being it introducing some guy named the sun, then completely erasing him from the story. Half of the time it felt like watching references and nods, not a well written contiguous story. From when it started - with some rush explanations with the in-universe rules - to where it ended - his rebirth, the anime fails at exposition from beginning to end.
None of this is new with chinese animations, as they always suck at these things, which is why nothing animated by them will ever be top tier. It's as if they expect you to already know what these niche mythologies are, failing to properly expose a new audience to them, which ultimately leads to a disappointing work of art. Too bad, it could have been anime of the year had they not failed so hard at the most basic aspect of storytelling.
None of this is new with chinese animations, as they always suck at these things, which is why nothing animated by them will ever be top tier. It's as if they expect you to already know what these niche mythologies are, failing to properly expose a new audience to them, which ultimately leads to a disappointing work of art. Too bad, it could have been anime of the year had they not failed so hard at the most basic aspect of storytelling.
@robertino129 Many donghua/anime only viewers understood it just fine and praised it. The fact that many people enjoy and follow it suggests the issue isn’t with the storytelling itself, but with how different viewers approach it. To some people, there's an issue with the storytelling. And to many others, the storytelling is fine. About the Sun guy, he's a Character for the next season and beyond. The Author was just trying to set up a new Character early on and that is completely fine. We Can't expect to see every character to get immediate screentime within just 13 episodes, especially when that character was introduced in episode 10. |
Go read 'Mediterranean Hegemon of Ancient Greece' If you like webnovel with historical, military and kingdom building genre. |
Sep 13, 10:40 PM
#27
Reply to Master10K
Been waiting years for this adaptation to come out. Did it live up to the hype... Not quite.
+ Show has some of the best visuals of any animated series.
+ Fantastic musical score that enhanced certain scenes.
+ Amazing Chinese & English Dub.
+ Somehow managed to tell the story of Volume 1 (one of the weakest vols) in 13 episodes.
- Pacing issues and a lot of important skipped content.
- Not enough Tarot Club Meetings.
- Erratic camerawork during fights, when they should have focused on smoother animation.
Although it wasn't the best adaptation I could have hoped for, at least it was a good adaptation.
I'm still waiting for that Release That Witch anime adaptation.
+ Show has some of the best visuals of any animated series.
+ Fantastic musical score that enhanced certain scenes.
+ Amazing Chinese & English Dub.
+ Somehow managed to tell the story of Volume 1 (one of the weakest vols) in 13 episodes.
- Pacing issues and a lot of important skipped content.
- Not enough Tarot Club Meetings.
- Erratic camerawork during fights, when they should have focused on smoother animation.
Although it wasn't the best adaptation I could have hoped for, at least it was a good adaptation.
I'm still waiting for that Release That Witch anime adaptation.
@Master10K does Chinese people doesnt like a Harem story? Because Release that witch is basically a harem story right? Its a dude 'Collecting' female witches while he builds his kingdom. If the webnovel were made in Japan, I bet it would've get an Anime adaptation already. |
Go read 'Mediterranean Hegemon of Ancient Greece' If you like webnovel with historical, military and kingdom building genre. |
Sep 13, 11:42 PM
#28
Reply to robertino129
No, it obviously didn't. It sucked at storytelling and pacing, as if it were made only for people who were already familiar with the source material. It jumping from random timelines back and forth only made it more confusing, one such example being it introducing some guy named the sun, then completely erasing him from the story. Half of the time it felt like watching references and nods, not a well written contiguous story. From when it started - with some rush explanations with the in-universe rules - to where it ended - his rebirth, the anime fails at exposition from beginning to end.
None of this is new with chinese animations, as they always suck at these things, which is why nothing animated by them will ever be top tier. It's as if they expect you to already know what these niche mythologies are, failing to properly expose a new audience to them, which ultimately leads to a disappointing work of art. Too bad, it could have been anime of the year had they not failed so hard at the most basic aspect of storytelling.
None of this is new with chinese animations, as they always suck at these things, which is why nothing animated by them will ever be top tier. It's as if they expect you to already know what these niche mythologies are, failing to properly expose a new audience to them, which ultimately leads to a disappointing work of art. Too bad, it could have been anime of the year had they not failed so hard at the most basic aspect of storytelling.
@robertino129 I can't believe still people aren't understanding what's happening |
Sep 14, 12:52 AM
#29
Reply to lalindu
@robertino129 I can't believe still people aren't understanding what's happening
@lalindu Dude, where did this guy write that he doesn’t understand anything? He only wrote that the show is poorly made and therefore hard to follow. By the way, I recently found out that on Tencent’s official streaming service, those mini-stories for LoM, “Lessons with old dude”, are behind a VIP paywall. It’d be hilarious if the hard-to-understand story isn’t a bug but a feature to push sales of this homework before the episodes. |
Sep 14, 12:56 AM
#30
Reply to OrigamistToo
@lalindu Dude, where did this guy write that he doesn’t understand anything? He only wrote that the show is poorly made and therefore hard to follow.
By the way, I recently found out that on Tencent’s official streaming service, those mini-stories for LoM, “Lessons with old dude”, are behind a VIP paywall. It’d be hilarious if the hard-to-understand story isn’t a bug but a feature to push sales of this homework before the episodes.
By the way, I recently found out that on Tencent’s official streaming service, those mini-stories for LoM, “Lessons with old dude”, are behind a VIP paywall. It’d be hilarious if the hard-to-understand story isn’t a bug but a feature to push sales of this homework before the episodes.
@OrigamistToo pretty sure you can watch them on youtube |
Sep 14, 1:16 AM
#31
Reply to OrigamistToo
@lalindu Dude, where did this guy write that he doesn’t understand anything? He only wrote that the show is poorly made and therefore hard to follow.
By the way, I recently found out that on Tencent’s official streaming service, those mini-stories for LoM, “Lessons with old dude”, are behind a VIP paywall. It’d be hilarious if the hard-to-understand story isn’t a bug but a feature to push sales of this homework before the episodes.
By the way, I recently found out that on Tencent’s official streaming service, those mini-stories for LoM, “Lessons with old dude”, are behind a VIP paywall. It’d be hilarious if the hard-to-understand story isn’t a bug but a feature to push sales of this homework before the episodes.
@OrigamistToo tencent video vip is only 3 dollars, anyway, you need vip to access like most of the currently releasing series on the entire platform, or else you can just wait for them to become free its much more fair than our western streaming services which dont offer a free tier, and cost more, allwhile having less content |
Sep 14, 1:17 AM
#32
Reply to Ayasakii
@OrigamistToo pretty sure you can watch them on youtube
@Ayasakii Well, Youtube is banned in China, and that's the main paying audience for Tencent. I'm also 100% sure that the series there are just pirated. |
Sep 14, 1:17 AM
#33
Reply to Ayasakii
@OrigamistToo pretty sure you can watch them on youtube
@Ayasakii they're on crunchyroll under the dropdown, and shown directly after the credit roll on Tencent. Not sure where that guy got his info, or just pushing bullshit as always. |
Sep 14, 1:26 AM
#34
Reply to 1kirua_aim
@OrigamistToo tencent video vip is only 3 dollars,
anyway, you need vip to access like most of the currently releasing series on the entire platform, or else you can just wait for them to become free
its much more fair than our western streaming services which dont offer a free tier, and cost more, allwhile having less content
anyway, you need vip to access like most of the currently releasing series on the entire platform, or else you can just wait for them to become free
its much more fair than our western streaming services which dont offer a free tier, and cost more, allwhile having less content
@1kirua_aim Well, I think $3 in their country and $3 in your country have different purchasing power. Although, I’m from Russia, and we’re “suffering” here because all the streaming services left, so we just watch whatever we want in any quality on pirate sites, where popular titles have 50+ unofficial professional dubbing options and dozens of subtitle variations. So, I’m not up to date on how much a subscription to something like Crunchyroll costs. @Tmdcmnr You're talking about chibi episodes that are tacked on here and there at the end of episodes, but I'm talking about Grandpa's lessons. Just the other day, a guy sent me a screenshot to show that chibis are embedded in the episodes, and in that same screenshot, Grandpa's lessons were listed separately under a VIP paywall. Every time, I'm amazed at how local folks manage to read the text and still miss the point. |
OrigamistTooSep 14, 1:31 AM
Sep 14, 1:46 AM
#35
Reply to OrigamistToo
@1kirua_aim Well, I think $3 in their country and $3 in your country have different purchasing power. Although, I’m from Russia, and we’re “suffering” here because all the streaming services left, so we just watch whatever we want in any quality on pirate sites, where popular titles have 50+ unofficial professional dubbing options and dozens of subtitle variations. So, I’m not up to date on how much a subscription to something like Crunchyroll costs.
@Tmdcmnr
You're talking about chibi episodes that are tacked on here and there at the end of episodes, but I'm talking about Grandpa's lessons. Just the other day, a guy sent me a screenshot to show that chibis are embedded in the episodes, and in that same screenshot, Grandpa's lessons were listed separately under a VIP paywall. Every time, I'm amazed at how local folks manage to read the text and still miss the point.
@Tmdcmnr
You're talking about chibi episodes that are tacked on here and there at the end of episodes, but I'm talking about Grandpa's lessons. Just the other day, a guy sent me a screenshot to show that chibis are embedded in the episodes, and in that same screenshot, Grandpa's lessons were listed separately under a VIP paywall. Every time, I'm amazed at how local folks manage to read the text and still miss the point.
@OrigamistToo https://v.qq.com/x/cover/mzc00200x6fq63h/w4101nt7it9.html?ptag=11974 here is the link you can literally watch everything there without even login. The VIP label is just for show. |
Sep 14, 2:00 AM
#36
Reply to Tmdcmnr
@OrigamistToo https://v.qq.com/x/cover/mzc00200x6fq63h/w4101nt7it9.html?ptag=11974 here is the link you can literally watch everything there without even login. The VIP label is just for show.
@Tmdcmnr The link literally shows a preview, after which I got a pop-up about purchasing a VIP subscription, without which I can’t watch further. |
Sep 14, 2:19 AM
#37
Reply to OrigamistToo
@Tmdcmnr The link literally shows a preview, after which I got a pop-up about purchasing a VIP subscription, without which I can’t watch further.
@OrigamistToo my bad, did not realized that (can't read chinese). Pretty sure you can watch it after some time though. It's moot point anyway, chinese people are very aggressive with pirating. Saw these on facebook directly after ep 1. |
Sep 14, 3:02 AM
#38
Reply to Ayasakii
@OrigamistToo pretty sure you can watch them on youtube
@Ayasakii don't bother with the troll. He's been spamming threads for every episode talking about how much he hates the show in long rants. At a certain point, you've got to be nuts to devote so much time to it. I blocked them long ago. |
Sep 14, 3:33 AM
#39
Reply to gryphonz
@Ayasakii don't bother with the troll. He's been spamming threads for every episode talking about how much he hates the show in long rants. At a certain point, you've got to be nuts to devote so much time to it. I blocked them long ago.
@gryphonz Every time I crack up at these high-moral dudes who go around explaining to everyone that I'm some kind of awful person, while in the same message they give themselves away by admitting they haven’t even read what I write. "This guy’s bad, don’t read him. By the way, I haven’t even read what he writes." @Tmdcmnr Facebook banned in China too, if I recall correctly. |
OrigamistTooSep 14, 3:37 AM
Sep 14, 6:15 AM
#40
Reply to OrigamistToo
@1kirua_aim Well, I think $3 in their country and $3 in your country have different purchasing power. Although, I’m from Russia, and we’re “suffering” here because all the streaming services left, so we just watch whatever we want in any quality on pirate sites, where popular titles have 50+ unofficial professional dubbing options and dozens of subtitle variations. So, I’m not up to date on how much a subscription to something like Crunchyroll costs.
@Tmdcmnr
You're talking about chibi episodes that are tacked on here and there at the end of episodes, but I'm talking about Grandpa's lessons. Just the other day, a guy sent me a screenshot to show that chibis are embedded in the episodes, and in that same screenshot, Grandpa's lessons were listed separately under a VIP paywall. Every time, I'm amazed at how local folks manage to read the text and still miss the point.
@Tmdcmnr
You're talking about chibi episodes that are tacked on here and there at the end of episodes, but I'm talking about Grandpa's lessons. Just the other day, a guy sent me a screenshot to show that chibis are embedded in the episodes, and in that same screenshot, Grandpa's lessons were listed separately under a VIP paywall. Every time, I'm amazed at how local folks manage to read the text and still miss the point.
@OrigamistToo Old Neil's Mysticism Classes are available for free on the Official Lord of Mysteries Donghua Weibo. Also, even though they're VIP on Tencent Video, the episodes themselves are under the same VIP, so it makes no difference. The episodes are just temporarily free since it's currently airing, but only Episode 1 will be permanently free. Episode 1 doesn't introduce Old Neil, so having the first Mysticism Class be VIP is fine. |
Sep 14, 7:07 AM
#41
Reply to Jfs_
@robertino129 Many donghua/anime only viewers understood it just fine and praised it. The fact that many people enjoy and follow it suggests the issue isn’t with the storytelling itself, but with how different viewers approach it.
To some people, there's an issue with the storytelling. And to many others, the storytelling is fine.
About the Sun guy, he's a Character for the next season and beyond. The Author was just trying to set up a new Character early on and that is completely fine. We Can't expect to see every character to get immediate screentime within just 13 episodes, especially when that character was introduced in episode 10.
To some people, there's an issue with the storytelling. And to many others, the storytelling is fine.
About the Sun guy, he's a Character for the next season and beyond. The Author was just trying to set up a new Character early on and that is completely fine. We Can't expect to see every character to get immediate screentime within just 13 episodes, especially when that character was introduced in episode 10.
@Jfs_ Hilariously wrong assumption made on fake data by the typical fanboy. There is literally no top comment I've seen on a certain orange site that said they "understood it just fine" in the first two episodes alone. All the comments by english speakers online were, and I quote from the top 5 comments on that very popular site: - "Story was fast paced and kind of confusing" - "Also, tons of characters were thrown and information hence it is confusing—since it's hard to process on such short amount of time given." - "Not having read the book I just hope it slows down and explains some stuff." - "Well, this first episode surely wasn't it. It felt like 2 or 3 episodes squished into a blob. To the point that I was thinking "there's no way this is a mystery series " - "It all comes back to the pacing again. I think we're seeing a big kryptonite to CN Donghua where adaptations are always super rushed because of how the Web Novel scene is so overloaded in chapters because that's just how authors make money. " - Even on MAL, the review with the most interactions says the same thing: " Its high scores come from those who have read the novel and don’t care about characterization or organic storytelling." "many x understood it just fine" is nothing more than the illusory truth effect, and a typical propaganda tool used in media all over the world, it is not a real argument in 2025 when people have already grown past it. While I come with hard data, the top comments on this orange site clearly highlight how the vast majority of the audience there had issues with the storytelling, not understanding much about even the basics - divination, superpowers, potions, gods, etc.. |
robertino129Sep 14, 7:17 AM
Sep 14, 7:22 AM
#42
Reply to robertino129
@Jfs_ Hilariously wrong assumption made on fake data by the typical fanboy. There is literally no top comment I've seen on a certain orange site that said they "understood it just fine" in the first two episodes alone. All the comments by english speakers online were, and I quote from the top 5 comments on that very popular site:
- "Story was fast paced and kind of confusing"
- "Also, tons of characters were thrown and information hence it is confusing—since it's hard to process on such short amount of time given."
- "Not having read the book I just hope it slows down and explains some stuff."
- "Well, this first episode surely wasn't it. It felt like 2 or 3 episodes squished into a blob. To the point that I was thinking "there's no way this is a mystery series "
- "It all comes back to the pacing again. I think we're seeing a big kryptonite to CN Donghua where adaptations are always super rushed because of how the Web Novel scene is so overloaded in chapters because that's just how authors make money. "
- Even on MAL, the review with the most interactions says the same thing: " Its high scores come from those who have read the novel and don’t care about characterization or organic storytelling."
"many x understood it just fine" is nothing more than the illusory truth effect, and a typical propaganda tool used in media all over the world, it is not a real argument in 2025 when people have already grown past it. While I come with hard data, the top comments on this orange site clearly highlight how the vast majority of the audience there had issues with the storytelling, not understanding much about even the basics - divination, superpowers, potions, gods, etc..
- "Story was fast paced and kind of confusing"
- "Also, tons of characters were thrown and information hence it is confusing—since it's hard to process on such short amount of time given."
- "Not having read the book I just hope it slows down and explains some stuff."
- "Well, this first episode surely wasn't it. It felt like 2 or 3 episodes squished into a blob. To the point that I was thinking "there's no way this is a mystery series "
- "It all comes back to the pacing again. I think we're seeing a big kryptonite to CN Donghua where adaptations are always super rushed because of how the Web Novel scene is so overloaded in chapters because that's just how authors make money. "
- Even on MAL, the review with the most interactions says the same thing: " Its high scores come from those who have read the novel and don’t care about characterization or organic storytelling."
"many x understood it just fine" is nothing more than the illusory truth effect, and a typical propaganda tool used in media all over the world, it is not a real argument in 2025 when people have already grown past it. While I come with hard data, the top comments on this orange site clearly highlight how the vast majority of the audience there had issues with the storytelling, not understanding much about even the basics - divination, superpowers, potions, gods, etc..
@robertino129 I dont deny that some people found it confusing. fast pacing and heavy info dumps in the first 3 episodes arent for everyone. But cherry picking Reddit (the orange site I assume) top comments isn’t “hard data.” That just shows what a small, vocal part of the community thought, not the entire audience. The fact remains: many others still followed and enjoyed it (otherwise it wouldnt have the popularity, discussions, and anticipation for season 2 that it does). Storytelling impact is always mixed, it’s not “everyone was confused” vs “everyone understood.” Both groups exist. The show has nearly 250 million views on Tencent alone. If it were really as difficult to understand as you claim, it would’ve flopped instead of pulling in hundreds of millions of views (not even counting Crunchyroll’s numbers). That’s a much bigger metric than Reddit comment sections. The top comments arent the “vast majority” of the audience. Most viewers don’t post on Reddit or MAL at all, they just watch, follow along, and understood it fine without feeling the need to complain. |
Go read 'Mediterranean Hegemon of Ancient Greece' If you like webnovel with historical, military and kingdom building genre. |
Sep 14, 7:46 AM
#43
Reply to Jfs_
@robertino129 I dont deny that some people found it confusing. fast pacing and heavy info dumps in the first 3 episodes arent for everyone. But cherry picking Reddit (the orange site I assume) top comments isn’t “hard data.” That just shows what a small, vocal part of the community thought, not the entire audience.
The fact remains: many others still followed and enjoyed it (otherwise it wouldnt have the popularity, discussions, and anticipation for season 2 that it does). Storytelling impact is always mixed, it’s not “everyone was confused” vs “everyone understood.” Both groups exist.
The show has nearly 250 million views on Tencent alone. If it were really as difficult to understand as you claim, it would’ve flopped instead of pulling in hundreds of millions of views (not even counting Crunchyroll’s numbers). That’s a much bigger metric than Reddit comment sections.
The top comments arent the “vast majority” of the audience. Most viewers don’t post on Reddit or MAL at all, they just watch, follow along, and understood it fine without feeling the need to complain.
The fact remains: many others still followed and enjoyed it (otherwise it wouldnt have the popularity, discussions, and anticipation for season 2 that it does). Storytelling impact is always mixed, it’s not “everyone was confused” vs “everyone understood.” Both groups exist.
The show has nearly 250 million views on Tencent alone. If it were really as difficult to understand as you claim, it would’ve flopped instead of pulling in hundreds of millions of views (not even counting Crunchyroll’s numbers). That’s a much bigger metric than Reddit comment sections.
The top comments arent the “vast majority” of the audience. Most viewers don’t post on Reddit or MAL at all, they just watch, follow along, and understood it fine without feeling the need to complain.
@Jfs_ Lol, "cherry picking". I literally picked from top 5 comments on reddit and the top review on mal. How is that cherry picking, fanboy? Reddit is literally the first google result when you search for episode 1 discussions. It is most definitively hard data and one of the most relevant forums for english speaking audiences. Nobody cares about what the entire audience looks like since the vast majority of it are made up of chinese, the only demographic which would - presumably - not need exposition (1). Again, with the illusory truth. "Many others" is no point of reference for hard data. Very telling that while I quote top comments from reddit and mal from real english speakers, all you reply in return is with some outdated psychological tool that doesn't even work with children in today's era. Furthermore, you completely skirt the topic at hand with useless comments such as "followed and enjoyed it", as if people don't do that with thousands of other animes which absolutely suck at storytelling and pacing, some even having 20 times the number of members of this show (2). Again, with useless data on chinese websites which literally no english speaker frequents, going back to point (1) above. The devotee is really going sideways hard, making ridiculous statements that aren't grounded in reality at all. When there are shows in the (2) situation above, how could a show have flopped simply because it failed in the storytelling department, little enthusiast? Grasping at straws now because other people dare highlight the weaknesses of a show? The top comments on Engliish speaking sites typically reflect the thoughts of the audience based in english speaking communities. That is - quite literally - a fact, and how people from multiple countries under a common language interact with each other. The mere fact that you grasp at straws yet again - talking about "posting" is very telling. Maybe you should think again over what other function these sites - reddit and mal - have besides "posting". |
Sep 14, 7:52 AM
#44
Yeah, I thought it wouldn't because the plot seemed too convoluted and rushed at the start, and some scenes also felt like they came out of nowhere. But episode 13 consolidated everything and was a great ending for the season, so it made up for everything. |
Sep 14, 8:05 AM
#46
Reply to robertino129
@Jfs_ Lol, "cherry picking". I literally picked from top 5 comments on reddit and the top review on mal. How is that cherry picking, fanboy? Reddit is literally the first google result when you search for episode 1 discussions. It is most definitively hard data and one of the most relevant forums for english speaking audiences. Nobody cares about what the entire audience looks like since the vast majority of it are made up of chinese, the only demographic which would - presumably - not need exposition (1).
Again, with the illusory truth. "Many others" is no point of reference for hard data. Very telling that while I quote top comments from reddit and mal from real english speakers, all you reply in return is with some outdated psychological tool that doesn't even work with children in today's era.
Furthermore, you completely skirt the topic at hand with useless comments such as "followed and enjoyed it", as if people don't do that with thousands of other animes which absolutely suck at storytelling and pacing, some even having 20 times the number of members of this show (2).
Again, with useless data on chinese websites which literally no english speaker frequents, going back to point (1) above. The devotee is really going sideways hard, making ridiculous statements that aren't grounded in reality at all. When there are shows in the (2) situation above, how could a show have flopped simply because it failed in the storytelling department, little enthusiast? Grasping at straws now because other people dare highlight the weaknesses of a show?
The top comments on Engliish speaking sites typically reflect the thoughts of the audience based in english speaking communities. That is - quite literally - a fact, and how people from multiple countries under a common language interact with each other. The mere fact that you grasp at straws yet again - talking about "posting" is very telling. Maybe you should think again over what other function these sites - reddit and mal - have besides "posting".
Again, with the illusory truth. "Many others" is no point of reference for hard data. Very telling that while I quote top comments from reddit and mal from real english speakers, all you reply in return is with some outdated psychological tool that doesn't even work with children in today's era.
Furthermore, you completely skirt the topic at hand with useless comments such as "followed and enjoyed it", as if people don't do that with thousands of other animes which absolutely suck at storytelling and pacing, some even having 20 times the number of members of this show (2).
Again, with useless data on chinese websites which literally no english speaker frequents, going back to point (1) above. The devotee is really going sideways hard, making ridiculous statements that aren't grounded in reality at all. When there are shows in the (2) situation above, how could a show have flopped simply because it failed in the storytelling department, little enthusiast? Grasping at straws now because other people dare highlight the weaknesses of a show?
The top comments on Engliish speaking sites typically reflect the thoughts of the audience based in english speaking communities. That is - quite literally - a fact, and how people from multiple countries under a common language interact with each other. The mere fact that you grasp at straws yet again - talking about "posting" is very telling. Maybe you should think again over what other function these sites - reddit and mal - have besides "posting".
@robertino129 Again, Cherry-picking top Reddit comments is not the same as hard data. That reflects a small, vocal part of the community, not the entire audience. Im starting to think that you dont even know what a "Hard data" even means, and yet youre using it so often. And yes Reddit and MAL matter for English-speaking discussion, they’re influential forums. But saying the top five comments there equal “hard data” about the whole audience is a category error. Top comments are a biased sample: they reflect early impressions, the tastes of the most vocal/engaged users, and what an algorithm promotes. That’s not the same as representative data. Real hard data would be cross-platform viewership, retention percentages, aggregated ratings, or a representative survey. Those numbers, like the hundreds of millions of views on Tencent and the sustained international interest, show a much broader picture than a handful of upvoted comments. If your whole argument depends on five upvoted comments, that says more about the weakness of your evidence than the show itself. |
Go read 'Mediterranean Hegemon of Ancient Greece' If you like webnovel with historical, military and kingdom building genre. |
Sep 14, 8:32 AM
#47
Reply to Walter12347
@OrigamistToo
Old Neil's Mysticism Classes are available for free on the Official Lord of Mysteries Donghua Weibo. Also, even though they're VIP on Tencent Video, the episodes themselves are under the same VIP, so it makes no difference. The episodes are just temporarily free since it's currently airing, but only Episode 1 will be permanently free. Episode 1 doesn't introduce Old Neil, so having the first Mysticism Class be VIP is fine.
Old Neil's Mysticism Classes are available for free on the Official Lord of Mysteries Donghua Weibo. Also, even though they're VIP on Tencent Video, the episodes themselves are under the same VIP, so it makes no difference. The episodes are just temporarily free since it's currently airing, but only Episode 1 will be permanently free. Episode 1 doesn't introduce Old Neil, so having the first Mysticism Class be VIP is fine.
@Walter12347 On the screenshot I saw, the series was literally open at the 36-minute mark with chibis, and next to it was a list of all the episodes that had come out without VIP mark and with all "Grandpa's Lessons" episodes marked as VIP. Considering that the guy somehow managed to watch up to the chibis without hitting a "Buy VIP" paywall, you can already conclude that they’re in separate pricing categories. |
OrigamistTooSep 14, 8:42 AM
Sep 14, 8:44 AM
#48
Reply to OrigamistToo
@Walter12347 On the screenshot I saw, the series was literally open at the 36-minute mark with chibis, and next to it was a list of all the episodes that had come out without VIP mark and with all "Grandpa's Lessons" episodes marked as VIP. Considering that the guy somehow managed to watch up to the chibis without hitting a "Buy VIP" paywall, you can already conclude that they’re in separate pricing categories.
@OrigamistToo As I mentioned prior, the episodes are *currently* free up to Episode 12. Episodes 2 to 12 say "limited exception," meaning they're only free for now, but may be set to VIP only later. Episode 13 is still VIP only. You can search up "Weibo 诡秘之主动画官微" to get the Mysticism Classes for free, just have to scroll down a bit. The mobile version of the website let's you see all of them without an account. |
Walter12347Sep 14, 8:50 AM
Sep 14, 8:56 AM
#49
Reply to Jfs_
@robertino129 Again, Cherry-picking top Reddit comments is not the same as hard data. That reflects a small, vocal part of the community, not the entire audience. Im starting to think that you dont even know what a "Hard data" even means, and yet youre using it so often.
And yes Reddit and MAL matter for English-speaking discussion, they’re influential forums. But saying the top five comments there equal “hard data” about the whole audience is a category error. Top comments are a biased sample: they reflect early impressions, the tastes of the most vocal/engaged users, and what an algorithm promotes. That’s not the same as representative data.
Real hard data would be cross-platform viewership, retention percentages, aggregated ratings, or a representative survey. Those numbers, like the hundreds of millions of views on Tencent and the sustained international interest, show a much broader picture than a handful of upvoted comments.
If your whole argument depends on five upvoted comments, that says more about the weakness of your evidence than the show itself.
And yes Reddit and MAL matter for English-speaking discussion, they’re influential forums. But saying the top five comments there equal “hard data” about the whole audience is a category error. Top comments are a biased sample: they reflect early impressions, the tastes of the most vocal/engaged users, and what an algorithm promotes. That’s not the same as representative data.
Real hard data would be cross-platform viewership, retention percentages, aggregated ratings, or a representative survey. Those numbers, like the hundreds of millions of views on Tencent and the sustained international interest, show a much broader picture than a handful of upvoted comments.
If your whole argument depends on five upvoted comments, that says more about the weakness of your evidence than the show itself.
@Jfs_ The devotee again speaks nonsense about how the top mal reviews and top reddit comments are "cherry picking". Let's educate ourselves, shall we? "The action or practice of choosing and taking only the most beneficial or profitable items". Seems using the most interacted with and upvoted comments and reviews on the 2 biggest english speaking forums is quite far from the phrase cherry picking. Now let's see what hard data means " objectively measurable, factual, and verifiable information that can be expressed numerically". Seems I was correct, as every top comment and review has a measurable and factual weight, expressed numerically. The top five comments on each episode and the top 5 interacted with reviews equal hard data reflective of the entire english audience, that is correct. HAH, Early impressions? Let's scroll down and see comments from 2 months ago then, instead of the 3 months old ones: - "I'm six episodes into it and I still don't have clue on whats going on." - "This was like watching a series of Final Fantasy cutscenes spliced together. Beautiful artwork but confounding as it gets." - "Having great animation and even a great story is not enough. How you deliver that story is just as important, if not more important. " Oh wow, it seems that even the simpleton answers without much depth which haven't been upvoted at all say the same things. Let's ask grok to summarize it all for us: Overall reception has been mixed but leaning positive, with strong praise for its visual and atmospheric qualities offsetting criticisms of pacing and narrative density. Positive Elements: Animation and Visuals, Atmosphere and Hook Negative Elements: Pacing and Structure, Storytelling Choices Did People Find the Story Confusing or Hard to Follow?Yes, a significant portion of viewers—especially anime-only watchers—found Episode 1 confusing and hard to follow, primarily due to its breakneck pace and dense exposition. This is one of the most common criticisms across reviews, Reddit threads (e.g., r/Donghua and r/LordofTheMysteries), and X posts. Phrases like "my head was absolutely spinning," "I have absolutely no idea what’s going on," and "confusing the heck out of you" appear frequently. Even novel readers admit it was tough initially, though they had prior context. Why It's Confusing: (...) So no, using an AI tool to summarize the reception proves that not only am I right, but that you are also wrong. The storytelling is the shows' biggest weakness among english speakers - by far. And no amount of you flailing about like a headless chicken trying to digress into factually wrong conclusions (such as if something isn't anime of the year then it's a flop) will change that fact. Viewership, retention percentages, ratings, none of these have anything to do with whether a show's storytelling was done properly or not. Those numbers only reflect a show's success or failure commercially. You have proven yet again how you have no clue what you are talking about. The hundreds of millions of views on a chinese site by strictly chinese speakers have literally ZERO to do with the storytelling from an english speakers' perspective, little child. They don't even share the same dialogue, since most english speakers read the ENGLISH subs, they don't know chinese. If your whole argument on whether a show's english storytelling is good or not depends on a show's numbers on chinese websites rather than the feedback from english speaking people, that says more about the weakness of your intellect than the show itself. |
Sep 14, 9:06 AM
#50
Reply to robertino129
@Jfs_ The devotee again speaks nonsense about how the top mal reviews and top reddit comments are "cherry picking". Let's educate ourselves, shall we? "The action or practice of choosing and taking only the most beneficial or profitable items". Seems using the most interacted with and upvoted comments and reviews on the 2 biggest english speaking forums is quite far from the phrase cherry picking. Now let's see what hard data means " objectively measurable, factual, and verifiable information that can be expressed numerically". Seems I was correct, as every top comment and review has a measurable and factual weight, expressed numerically.
The top five comments on each episode and the top 5 interacted with reviews equal hard data reflective of the entire english audience, that is correct. HAH, Early impressions? Let's scroll down and see comments from 2 months ago then, instead of the 3 months old ones:
- "I'm six episodes into it and I still don't have clue on whats going on."
- "This was like watching a series of Final Fantasy cutscenes spliced together. Beautiful artwork but confounding as it gets."
- "Having great animation and even a great story is not enough. How you deliver that story is just as important, if not more important. "
Oh wow, it seems that even the simpleton answers without much depth which haven't been upvoted at all say the same things. Let's ask grok to summarize it all for us:
So no, using an AI tool to summarize the reception proves that not only am I right, but that you are also wrong. The storytelling is the shows' biggest weakness among english speakers - by far. And no amount of you flailing about like a headless chicken trying to digress into factually wrong conclusions (such as if something isn't anime of the year then it's a flop) will change that fact.
Viewership, retention percentages, ratings, none of these have anything to do with whether a show's storytelling was done properly or not. Those numbers only reflect a show's success or failure commercially. You have proven yet again how you have no clue what you are talking about. The hundreds of millions of views on a chinese site by strictly chinese speakers have literally ZERO to do with the storytelling from an english speakers' perspective, little child. They don't even share the same dialogue, since most english speakers read the ENGLISH subs, they don't know chinese.
If your whole argument on whether a show's english storytelling is good or not depends on a show's numbers on chinese websites rather than the feedback from english speaking people, that says more about the weakness of your intellect than the show itself.
The top five comments on each episode and the top 5 interacted with reviews equal hard data reflective of the entire english audience, that is correct. HAH, Early impressions? Let's scroll down and see comments from 2 months ago then, instead of the 3 months old ones:
- "I'm six episodes into it and I still don't have clue on whats going on."
- "This was like watching a series of Final Fantasy cutscenes spliced together. Beautiful artwork but confounding as it gets."
- "Having great animation and even a great story is not enough. How you deliver that story is just as important, if not more important. "
Oh wow, it seems that even the simpleton answers without much depth which haven't been upvoted at all say the same things. Let's ask grok to summarize it all for us:
Overall reception has been mixed but leaning positive, with strong praise for its visual and atmospheric qualities offsetting criticisms of pacing and narrative density.
Positive Elements: Animation and Visuals, Atmosphere and Hook
Negative Elements: Pacing and Structure, Storytelling Choices
Did People Find the Story Confusing or Hard to Follow?Yes, a significant portion of viewers—especially anime-only watchers—found Episode 1 confusing and hard to follow, primarily due to its breakneck pace and dense exposition. This is one of the most common criticisms across reviews, Reddit threads (e.g., r/Donghua and r/LordofTheMysteries), and X posts. Phrases like "my head was absolutely spinning," "I have absolutely no idea what’s going on," and "confusing the heck out of you" appear frequently. Even novel readers admit it was tough initially, though they had prior context.
Why It's Confusing: (...)
Positive Elements: Animation and Visuals, Atmosphere and Hook
Negative Elements: Pacing and Structure, Storytelling Choices
Did People Find the Story Confusing or Hard to Follow?Yes, a significant portion of viewers—especially anime-only watchers—found Episode 1 confusing and hard to follow, primarily due to its breakneck pace and dense exposition. This is one of the most common criticisms across reviews, Reddit threads (e.g., r/Donghua and r/LordofTheMysteries), and X posts. Phrases like "my head was absolutely spinning," "I have absolutely no idea what’s going on," and "confusing the heck out of you" appear frequently. Even novel readers admit it was tough initially, though they had prior context.
Why It's Confusing: (...)
So no, using an AI tool to summarize the reception proves that not only am I right, but that you are also wrong. The storytelling is the shows' biggest weakness among english speakers - by far. And no amount of you flailing about like a headless chicken trying to digress into factually wrong conclusions (such as if something isn't anime of the year then it's a flop) will change that fact.
Viewership, retention percentages, ratings, none of these have anything to do with whether a show's storytelling was done properly or not. Those numbers only reflect a show's success or failure commercially. You have proven yet again how you have no clue what you are talking about. The hundreds of millions of views on a chinese site by strictly chinese speakers have literally ZERO to do with the storytelling from an english speakers' perspective, little child. They don't even share the same dialogue, since most english speakers read the ENGLISH subs, they don't know chinese.
If your whole argument on whether a show's english storytelling is good or not depends on a show's numbers on chinese websites rather than the feedback from english speaking people, that says more about the weakness of your intellect than the show itself.
@robertino129 Get ready, now they'll tell you that there are Chinese forums somewhere praising this title, so all your info doesn’t count because English speakers are a minority here. |
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