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Nov 27, 2010 4:55 PM
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THIS IS A MANGA ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS ANYTHING BEYOND THIS CHAPTER.
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Great manga, though I'm need to read it again.
Apr 25, 2018 8:03 AM
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- Starts with a flashback of Kimura with his wife and their two kids (Amahiko and Arie). His wife begins talking about dreams of becoming a butterly and seeing all, and how she can hear God who is saying that the end coming and how the end is not the end, but eternity. Kimura freaks out saying that if that’s true, that means he will continue to suffer for all eternity and starts choking his wife, denying the existence of God.

- They are both swarmed by glowing butterflies and his wife tells him not to be afraid and that it all depends on him.

- It cuts to Kimura lying dead on the ground by the hospital building, covered with butterflies. He apparently had leapt from his hospital room window and committed suicide during that chapter where Arie had awakened from her coma.

- Then cuts to the police talking. Older police man talks about the recent deaths and then mentions how a woman committed suicide near the tunnel (Miss Sasaki, most likely) and how it’s similar to when a woman cut her throat 10 years ago at the same area (Arie's mother/Mr. Kimura's ex-wife)

- Hayato covers his ears as the older officer tells him this and begins talking about how it must be the monster and the monster is on the move. Butterflies close in around him and he begins screaming.

- Cuts to Maki in the street. She catches a butterfly and crushes it between her fingers. She stares up at a swarm of butterflies in the sky with almost a hostile sort of look.

- Comes home and apparently she lives with Kouta now. Kouta is staring out the window, completely unresponsive. Maki embraces him and tells him he can never leave this room for the rest of his life.

- Finally comes back to one of the scenes the manga opened with, and we discover the identity of the man talking was Makoto who is talking to Arie. He tells her how beautiful she is and how he wants to keep her beauty eternal. He asks her to tell him the rest of the story, but it cuts to a wider shot of the room where Makoto and Arie aren’t sitting there, but instead there is a pool of blood where Makoto was and a doll where Arie presumably was. Floating above the center of the table are two glowing butterflies.

- Fades to black and cuts to the time of the first scene that the manga opened with. If you re-read, it's actually a direct continuation of where that scene ends. At first read, it looks like Kid-Amahiko who is at the hospital after what was probably another one of his failed suicide attempts. He’s on the roof of the hospital in a wheelchair and begins crying after the nurse leaves him there.

- He’s approached by the old man from the beginning of that manga, who was talking to adult-Amahiko, and presents him with the tin box, telling him to be strong of will, and that he gets to choose what direction his life takes. He reveals to him that his name is also Amahiko and then vanishes into a butterfly fluttering away.

Lots of unsolved mysteries with even more being introduced this chapter. Last we saw Kohta, he was wondering through the tunnels and seemingly dreaming about some reality that jumped him back to the time Maki first came over and they slept together, and how they were going to buy flowers for Arie at the hospital. And yet, here he is in this chapter at Maki's, in some weird mindless state. And Maki seems to have a few loose screws after all that has happened.

Last we saw of Amahiko was his encounter with Arie where the raping and punching and butterfly teleportation happened. And we don't get to see his adult self in this last chapter. Also, is there like some weird Amahiko reincarnation cycle going on or something? I found his character interesting, but i'm so confused...

And then there was Miss Sasaki, who was last seen sitting on the steps by the tunnel, before getting covered by butterflies. This chapter alludes to the fact that she may have committed suicide. I guess that's the most straightforward resolution to one of the characters, at least...Well, there was also Mr. Kimura committing suicide.

As for Arie...No idea what she is or who she is or if she is even alive after the whole thing with Amahiko.

And there is Takahama (the boy that was bullied). Who apparently stabbed a kid or something and then vanished in the interrogation room. (I think?) Not sure what that was about...

I get that you can look into the butterflies and Arie and the monster in the tunnel and what those may represent, but then there are other things like what I mentioned that just feel like they ultimately didn't go anywhere. I dunno. I enjoyed this a lot more on my second read, but mannnnnnnnn i'm lost.
TheGenkiGuyApr 25, 2018 8:16 AM
Apr 28, 2018 11:54 AM
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>> "Lots of unsolved mysteries with even more being introduced this chapter. Last we saw Kohta, he was wondering through the tunnels and seemingly dreaming about some reality that jumped him back to the time Maki first came over and they slept together, and how they were going to buy flowers for Arie at the hospital. And yet, here he is in this chapter at Maki's, in some weird mindless state. And Maki seems to have a few loose screws after all that has happened. "

kohtas "soul" now lives on in his memories happy and for all eternity( much like the girl in what a wonderful world( asano))
This whole 3 sequence after arie and her borther meet is a parallel to the first pages of the manga
With this 3 sequence we get all the questions answer that we need.


>>"Last we saw of Amahiko was his encounter with Arie where the raping and punching and butterfly teleportation happened. And we don't get to see his adult self in this last chapter. Also, is there like some weird Amahiko reincarnation cycle going on or something? I found his character interesting, but i'm so confused..."

the village is trapped in a time loop adn the only way of breaking is to wake the mother up, and she only wakes up if her children are back together( her biggest wish)

>> "And then there was Miss Sasaki, who was last seen sitting on the steps by the tunnel, before getting covered by butterflies. This chapter alludes to the fact that she may have committed suicide. I guess that's the most straightforward resolution to one of the characters, at least...Well, there was also Mr. Kimura committing suicide."

the teacher sasaki is the monster in the tunnel she will bring the end of the world but not in a bad meaning. She will end the suffering of her formel disciples by taking them to eternity iwth the help of the butterflies. The last few pages where child amahiko hears a voice which tells him to get up is the voice of the teacher giving him courage.

>> "As for Arie...No idea what she is or who she is or if she is even alive after the whole thing with Amahiko."
she is alive and if you look at how hopeful and kindhearted grandpa amahiko is it is likely to assume that he has lived a happy live starting when he met his sister again this means the both have probably lived happy ever after.

>>"And there is Takahama (the boy that was bullied). Who apparently stabbed a kid or something and then vanished in the interrogation room. (I think?) Not sure what that was about..."

takahama has no connection to hte mother of arie or to arie herself. But he is in fact a child who got bullied in the class of miss sasaki therefor miss sasaki helps him to find eternity.( the butterflies)
Furthermore he is a mirror to amahiko
2 major events of his character
1. nearly jumping of the window at the first chapter, referring to amahikos jump from the school building
2. calling his mother( a power to high for the other children to handle) to solve his problems
here his mother stands for the tin box which can grant amahiko every wish, this is why amahiko was so pissed of at takahama because he did use his "higher power" unlike amahiko thats why he goes searching for his tin box after the incident



>>"I get that you can look into the butterflies and Arie and the monster in the tunnel and what those may represent, but then there are other things like what I mentioned that just feel like they ultimately didn't go anywhere. I dunno. I enjoyed this a lot more on my second read, but mannnnnnnnn i'm lost.""



~"a holograph is a document written entirely by the handwriting of the person whose signature it bears"
D4mNMay 5, 2018 1:06 PM
May 5, 2018 10:27 AM
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This was very confusing to read. I got the gist of it and some symbolisms used but there are just scenes I can't make out to well. I might try rereading again anda again
Jan 4, 2019 6:38 PM
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Aug 18, 2019 9:21 AM
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Wtf did I just read, I only understood about 40% of the plot

I'll leave this unscored until I reread it and search through the internet for help
Aug 29, 2020 11:06 PM
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I need to re-read this manga for sure, did not quite get what has happened at the end, and what was real too
“Life is a constant process of dying.”
Apr 29, 2021 12:35 AM
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Well, I can't say I understood much of anything and nothing about what I read is making me want to read more about it. There's probably layers of deeper meanings to this but I just don't care.

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