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Jan 24, 4:31 PM
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I mean the fight scenes were good and all, but what else? What's with the praise? Didn't feel like the latest ep was anything special at all. I guess maybe if they had done a better job at fleshing the characters out I would feel some sort of stakes in the fight. This just feels like solo leveling tbh
Jan 24, 4:43 PM
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It is the most important moment for a beloved character in the franchise. Along with the high production you mentioned, it is a no-brainer that this episode gets so much praise.
Jan 24, 5:00 PM
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i honestly think this is the point were jjk falls off as of writing and just becomes fight after fight
Jan 24, 5:09 PM
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It was a nice episode, and the animation carried it as usual, but it was rushed as hell. That whole massacre business needed to happen in 2 episodes, not 1. That whole thing finished as soon as it started.

I wouldn't mind if the anime expanded it with some filler moments to see more of the bond between the sisters and the build-up in having the clan conspiring in killing the twins, that would have made the whole scene even more worth it, and the vengeance would have been sweeter.
Jan 24, 5:17 PM
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They have a bigger budget than they know what to do with and a lot of young animators who seems to only care about what looks cool.
I think we're living in an era made for shounen adaptations and nothing else - nobody except the small portion of nerds who like sakuga for sakuga's sake and the mainstream audience who will slurp down whatever's put in front of them so long as it has hype moments and aura seems to be really enjoying this series.
Personally I'm over animation for animation's sake when it doesn't serve the story. If you compare this to The Elusive Samurai you can see that a talented director can achieve much more coherent storytelling with a smaller budget while still delivering spectacle.
Jan 24, 6:17 PM
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hmm i do feel this arc was rushed. the zenins need more build up, i dont hate them enough yet. the pay off doesn't feel that good
Jan 24, 6:33 PM
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They have a bigger budget than they know what to do with and a lot of young animators who seems to only care about what looks cool.
I think we're living in an era made for shounen adaptations and nothing else - nobody except the small portion of nerds who like sakuga for sakuga's sake and the mainstream audience who will slurp down whatever's put in front of them so long as it has hype moments and aura seems to be really enjoying this series.
Personally I'm over animation for animation's sake when it doesn't serve the story. If you compare this to The Elusive Samurai you can see that a talented director can achieve much more coherent storytelling with a smaller budget while still delivering spectacle.
@DaiichiDaiman Gosso *is* a talented director. What "storytelling" did you expect in an episode that's about the murder of an entire clan?
Jan 24, 6:34 PM
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what fight scenes, most of it are skip clashes
Jan 24, 7:22 PM
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You missed nothing bro, just enjoy the animations.
Jan 24, 7:25 PM
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lowkey agree with this
Jan 24, 7:46 PM

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I don't think so. It's totally fine to feel like that.
The episode has good animation, but that's the only praise I have for it. I didn't feel anything else aside from that.
Jan 24, 8:50 PM
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This post and comments gave me cancer, holy.

I shall wish and hope this is just bait.

Really driving home the idea of this image otherwise.
Jan 24, 8:57 PM
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This is what Japanese fans complain about. Western kiddo fans just drool over anything with high FPS, even if the writing and directing is bad.
Goshozono was bad when he was working on S2 as well, so it's nothing new.
Jan 24, 9:11 PM
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I really thought I'm the only one who feel that way, I mean I do enjoy the ep overall but I wouldn't hype it that much.
Jan 24, 9:34 PM
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ColCasey said:
I mean the fight scenes were good and all, but what else? What's with the praise? Didn't feel like the latest ep was anything special at all. I guess maybe if they had done a better job at fleshing the characters out I would feel some sort of stakes in the fight. This just feels like solo leveling tbh

I also think that and hidden inventory proves that gege is great at writing characters.
maybe he should have fleshed out the characters,idk why he didn't
and I kind of enjoy solo leveling in this genre more bcoz it is peak aura farming and hella fun
I still don't care much about zenin clan
I like all the concepts but they need more fleshing out for me to care
Jan 24, 9:55 PM

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Oongbuh said:
@DaiichiDaiman Gosso *is* a talented director. What "storytelling" did you expect in an episode that's about the murder of an entire clan?

Maybe something like Itachi-level? /s

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Jan 24, 10:48 PM
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JJK 'fans' and their unsatisfsction with every single thing
Jan 24, 11:01 PM
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The animation albeit good, wasnt anything special. Whats up with the glazing lol. I have seen better animated fights. Most of it was scribbles and impact frames. I wouldnt say it was a well crafted animated fight scene. It was good and that's it.
Jan 24, 11:03 PM

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Idk why you are even watching the show then. You clearly are not aligned in your expectations with what the show is actually saying. No one needs you
Jan 24, 11:24 PM
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so many watcher get confused of what happened and hate this episode instead of try to understand it more
Jan 24, 11:58 PM

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Yeah I feel kinda same few characters like ranta and jinichi have really cool powers I really wish they were introduced earlier. Like why tf was zenin clan characters wasn't introduced early? S2 had wayy better start.
Jan 25, 12:13 AM
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ColCasey said:
I mean the fight scenes were good and all, but what else? What's with the praise? Didn't feel like the latest ep was anything special at all. I guess maybe if they had done a better job at fleshing the characters out I would feel some sort of stakes in the fight. This just feels like solo leveling tbh

Completely agree with you.

Let me get one thing clear, I love JJK. Its was a really fun enjoyable show in S1. The characters were likeable. But when it came to S2s Shibuya when the characters were dying a lot I couldn't feel the emotions. I liked Nanami's episode a lot ( That was the one exception). But I felt like Nobara's death was abrupt and sudden. Don't get me wrong I like Nobara as a character, but oddly enough I felt like there had to be more depth and the character had to be fleshed out more. Same issue persists with the Maki ep 4 I felt like. They should have shown more of how cruel the Zenin clan was throughout the entirety of S1 and S2. Like laid down steps for this moment I feel like.

Like JJK is one my top shows in anime but I feel like it could always slow down its pace, take everything slowly flesh the characters out and like lay clues for any plans the villain's make.

Like if kenjakus plan was hinted at slightly, like if they showed him placing cursed objects on people more it would have been so much better I feel like.

Sorry for the rant. It's just I like the show a lot and I can't help it when this happens.
Jan 25, 1:39 AM

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Everything about the Zenin and Maki comes full circle. She loses her sister, the person for which she was fighting all this time, unlocks her full potential and destroys the whole clan in a cathartic bloodbath. Toji also gets a whole new layer of narrative relevance as he is the blueprint to Maki's evolution: the Zenin ostracized someone like him and he started the chain of events leading to today. Then they ostracized Maki even more, as she's a twin and a woman, and got annihilated by her.

It's poetic. Naoya starts as the image of the moral wasteland that clan is, saying a woman who doesn't submit deserves to be stabbed in the back. Guess what, he dies by getting stabbed in the back by a woman, one they oppressed and who internalized their misogyny, but deep down of course knew how awful all of this was, which is why in her last moment she is proud of her daughter who put an end to it.

The part with Maki and Mai is also great. It's not just an interesting piece of world building about twins, it's also the payoff of the sisters' relationship. Maki was willing to lay down and submit, and that lead to them being captured and left to die by their very father. So she's done with it, has no will to live and goes to the other side, asking only one thing to Mai: to destroy everything. It's a powerful moment, and Maki doing this as the new Toji is cool as hell, but it also has an emotional and narrative weight.

This is one of the absolute highs of JJK, one of the many proofs that, even with his mistakes, Gege is indeed a good writer. On the other hand, what we have here is another proof that JJK fans can't read.
Jan 25, 3:13 AM
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ahan0306 said:
hmm i do feel this arc was rushed. the zenins need more build up, i dont hate them enough yet. the pay off doesn't feel that good

THIS. THANK YOU.

There was no actual built up for this at all, we were just told stuff here and there throught the previous seasons about how the Zenin clan is, we didn't even get to see Maki getting stronger, it just happened and then she killed them all. Like. WHERE is the story? I want to see it unfold, not just be told things that are happening. xnx
Jan 25, 3:18 PM
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This episode was really nothing special, I still liked it but I honestly don’t think it deserves this much glaze
Jan 25, 3:42 PM

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show falls of a cliff after shibuya, now its just a sad flashy sakuga vvank show
Jan 25, 6:55 PM
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Honestly this whole season feels off to me. Everything is super flashy and fast acting. Some scenes you cant even tell whats going on. I have to go back and rewatch it, but I feel like JJK lost something since the end of s1.

I also think JJK is suffering from its own writing with how everything is being described in text. While reading certain stuff isnt a bad thing. I do think its flooded with information that you have to read to fully understand, but then it flashes and is gone in an instant. This breaks the whole concept of "show, dont tell" in writing and truly demonstrates the series weakness.

I remember reading Maki going and eliminating the Zen'in clan and it felt so epic and satisfying. While also being heart breaking. I didn't get the same feeling with the episode. I do think JJK direction is going down the wrong path. It just feels like messy action, now.
Jan 25, 6:58 PM
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_JustSpectre said:
This episode was really nothing special, I still liked it but I honestly don’t think it deserves this much glaze

Same, there was the Mortal combat xray scene which was pretty sick, but besides that its just super fast action sequences, where you cant even tell whats going on in certain parts.
Jan 25, 7:00 PM

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post shibuya jjk is nothing to care about. besides the animation, it's just forced glaze.
Jan 25, 7:03 PM
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ColCasey said:
I mean the fight scenes were good and all, but what else? What's with the praise? Didn't feel like the latest ep was anything special at all. I guess maybe if they had done a better job at fleshing the characters out I would feel some sort of stakes in the fight. This just feels like solo leveling tbh

It for sure felt rushed. Like overall its not bad, but it feels like they could of done something way more special with it. Also, I know this is nit picking, but I feel like they lost a bunch detail. Maki should of been covered in blood and I also noticed she just didn't have blood on her face/head after her fight when she went to go kill her mom. The direction aswell felt like it was everywhere.
Jan 25, 7:06 PM
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xZabuzax said:
It was a nice episode, and the animation carried it as usual, but it was rushed as hell. That whole massacre business needed to happen in 2 episodes, not 1. That whole thing finished as soon as it started.

I wouldn't mind if the anime expanded it with some filler moments to see more of the bond between the sisters and the build-up in having the clan conspiring in killing the twins, that would have made the whole scene even more worth it, and the vengeance would have been sweeter.

100% agree, I remember reading it and it felt so epic, satisfying and heartbreaking. I barely got any of that in the episode. I also believe the direction has gone down hill overall. Everything feels super flashy and you can barely tell whats going on in some scenes. I want the slower pace of S1s action.
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Surprised so many agree with this, thought I'd get hate from more jjk fans. My take: S1 was the best season and the only one where I actually cared about any of the characters
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xZabuzax said:
It was a nice episode, and the animation carried it as usual, but it was rushed as hell. That whole massacre business needed to happen in 2 episodes, not 1. That whole thing finished as soon as it started.

I wouldn't mind if the anime expanded it with some filler moments to see more of the bond between the sisters and the build-up in having the clan conspiring in killing the twins, that would have made the whole scene even more worth it, and the vengeance would have been sweeter.

I would’ve liked more build up to killing the sisters off or to show the bond between sisters more.
Did they cut a lot of that?
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xZabuzax said:
It was a nice episode, and the animation carried it as usual, but it was rushed as hell. That whole massacre business needed to happen in 2 episodes, not 1. That whole thing finished as soon as it started.

I wouldn't mind if the anime expanded it with some filler moments to see more of the bond between the sisters and the build-up in having the clan conspiring in killing the twins, that would have made the whole scene even more worth it, and the vengeance would have been sweeter.

I would’ve liked more build up to killing the sisters off or to show the bond between sisters more.
Did they cut a lot of that?

@Godeku I'm anime only, so I don't know if the pace was slower in the manga. And even if it's the same as the manga, the anime needed to fix it with a slower pace and make 2 episodes out of it.

In the anime, it was definitely rushed.

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