| Probably my final recording on this Chopin's piece. This is currently my most favorite Chopin's piece, along with his ballade no.4 Do you like this kind of dark and depressing melodies? Or do you prefer the happy classical pieces by Mozart? |
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philtecturophy said: Do you like this kind of dark and depressing melodies? I usually do, but this one feels a bit too slow for my preference, still well played. |
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philtecturophy said:
Do you like this kind of dark and depressing melodies?
Do you like this kind of dark and depressing melodies?
I usually do, but this one feels a bit too slow for my preference, still well played.
| @Zarutaku thank you for listening... it gets more and more difficult near the ending (gets much faster). This piece is known as Chopin's most difficult Nocturne, and some people believes it is almost equal the level of Chopin's ballades in terms of artistry and complexity The difficultly near the ending involves lots of jumping octaves (need high precision jumps on left hand, while the right hand has to do a non stop chords progression, i.e. almost always all the five fingers of right hand pressing notes with varying formations) |
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| I like it a fair bit and a nice echo would assist it in having fullness which the acoustics of the room seem close to doing. Sadly I cant play piano or keyboard. I suck at using my left hand for the proper accompaniment. |
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I like it a fair bit and a nice echo would assist it in having fullness which the acoustics of the room seem close to doing.
Sadly I cant play piano or keyboard. I suck at using my left hand for the proper accompaniment.
Sadly I cant play piano or keyboard. I suck at using my left hand for the proper accompaniment.
| @traed thanks for listening. It's not really a room, but an open space of the second floor connected to the first floor's living room via a big void, and thus to the entire house, except the bedrooms, since the bedrooms are enclosed by walls with respect to that interior open space. I understand, probably one of the biggest challenge of playing piano is the synchronicity between the left and right hand. Usually, when I teach my students, especially the small ones (age 6 to 10), I asked them to sing while clapping hand. Imagine your singing is the right hand, singing the melodies, and the clapping is the left hand when playing the piano. Many simple songs, can be classical, but mostly any pop songs, can be exercised that way, the synchronicity. It is a way to know where the right and left hand should be played together or separately, based on singing while clapping. That is why playing piano is very similar to playing drum, it requires synchronicity between different parts of the body, as if each has their own mind |
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@traed thanks for listening. It's not really a room, but an open space of the second floor connected to the first floor's living room via a big void, and thus to the entire house, except the bedrooms, since the bedrooms are enclosed by walls with respect to that interior open space.
I understand, probably one of the biggest challenge of playing piano is the synchronicity between the left and right hand. Usually, when I teach my students, especially the small ones (age 6 to 10), I asked them to sing while clapping hand. Imagine your singing is the right hand, singing the melodies, and the clapping is the left hand when playing the piano. Many simple songs, can be classical, but mostly any pop songs, can be exercised that way, the synchronicity. It is a way to know where the right and left hand should be played together or separately, based on singing while clapping. That is why playing piano is very similar to playing drum, it requires synchronicity between different parts of the body, as if each has their own mind
I understand, probably one of the biggest challenge of playing piano is the synchronicity between the left and right hand. Usually, when I teach my students, especially the small ones (age 6 to 10), I asked them to sing while clapping hand. Imagine your singing is the right hand, singing the melodies, and the clapping is the left hand when playing the piano. Many simple songs, can be classical, but mostly any pop songs, can be exercised that way, the synchronicity. It is a way to know where the right and left hand should be played together or separately, based on singing while clapping. That is why playing piano is very similar to playing drum, it requires synchronicity between different parts of the body, as if each has their own mind
| @philtecturophy Ah I see Probably didnt help I was self teaching and practicing the Turkish March. Im not even sure if my brain can handle that kind of task. I can multitask but using limbs doing different things feels totally different. It is weird since you would think me being able to type on a computer I should be able to coordinate >< As for modern songs with a melancholy feel a few come to mind like Leaving Hope by Nine Inch Nails or This Will Make You Love Again by IAMX. |
traedSep 30, 8:43 PM
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Ah I see
Probably didnt help I was self teaching and practicing the Turkish March. Im not even sure if my brain can handle that kind of task. I can multitask but using limbs doing different things feels totally different. It is weird since you would think me being able to type on a computer I should be able to coordinate ><
As for modern songs with a melancholy feel a few come to mind like Leaving Hope by Nine Inch Nails or This Will Make You Love Again by IAMX.
Ah I see
Probably didnt help I was self teaching and practicing the Turkish March. Im not even sure if my brain can handle that kind of task. I can multitask but using limbs doing different things feels totally different. It is weird since you would think me being able to type on a computer I should be able to coordinate ><
As for modern songs with a melancholy feel a few come to mind like Leaving Hope by Nine Inch Nails or This Will Make You Love Again by IAMX.
| @traed it's different. I suggest to use that exercise for practicing synchronicity of both hands. You can do it, and playing Rondo Alla Turca is not that far off of a goal, very achievable. In fact, my 7 y.o. student is currently practicing that, it is his dream piece, along with Bumblebee. He has only been playing piano for 1 year Here is the answer to that in a more scientific or say more logical: In terms of limb coordination, the ability of clapping while singing is significantly closer to the skill required for playing the piano with both hands than is typing on a computer. Here's a breakdown of why: 1. Clapping While Singing vs. Playing Piano (Closer Match) The core similarity is the need for Asymmetric Bimanual Coordination with an independent Rhythmic/Melodic Overlay. * Clapping While Singing: * Limb Task (Clapping): A simple, rhythmic, and symmetrical motor task. * Vocal Task (Singing): A melodic task that often has a different rhythmic pattern than the clapping (e.g., clapping on the beat, but the words/melody land off the beat, known as syncopation). * Coordination Challenge: The brain must maintain two independent musical programs—one rhythmic (clapping) and one melodic/rhythmic (singing)—and keep them synchronized within the same tempo framework. * Playing Piano with Both Hands: * Limb Task (Left Hand): Often a rhythmic/harmonic task (e.g., playing chords or bass line). * Limb Task (Right Hand): Often a melodic/rhythmic task (e.g., playing the main tune). * Coordination Challenge: The brain must maintain two independent motor programs that often have different rhythmic patterns and notes. This is a highly complex version of the Clap/Sing task, where the two hand tasks are equivalent to the Clap and Sing tasks combined and assigned to the hands. Conclusion: Both require the brain to manage two musically related but rhythmically distinct channels (e.g., one consistent rhythm, one varying melody) simultaneously. This is the definition of the asymmetrical coordination needed for piano. 2. Typing vs. Playing Piano (Further Apart) The primary reason typing is a distant second is its Symmetrical and Sequential nature, which lacks the fundamental musical challenge. * Typing on a Computer: * Limb Coordination: Symmetrical, sequential, and highly standardized based on the QWERTY layout. Both hands are generally working in service of the same linear output (a word or sentence). The task is about encoding text. * Rhythmic Independence: Practically none. The goal is to get the keys pressed in the correct sequence quickly, not to maintain two independent rhythms or melodies. Conclusion: Typing is a great exercise in speed and muscle memory, but it doesn't force the brain to execute two asymmetrically timed, independent motor outputs that must align to create a single expressive whole—a necessity for both clapping while singing and playing the piano. |
philtecturophySep 30, 9:30 PM
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| Well done man, I always look forward to your threads. 😁 |
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Nicely played.
Apologies that I'm more of fan of Satie and Rachmaninoff.
philtecturophy said:
Or do you prefer the happy classical pieces by Mozart?
Or do you prefer the happy classical pieces by Mozart?
Apologies that I'm more of fan of Satie and Rachmaninoff.
| @MalchikRepaid thank you, did you listen until the ending? Because it's quite a long piece, and I'm afraid the slow beginning parts might bore you, especially if the piece is totally unknown to you @Retro8bit thanks, I'm glad you always enjoy my piano posts. Did you listen until the ending? Hopefully these kind of posts can add a bit more variations and colors to CD nuance @Asangbanne thanks for listening,. haven't seen you around before, but I'm glad you enjoy this kind of post |
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| Beautifully played, it's a very long music |
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Beautifully played, it's a very long music
| @Aria_no_Kino yes, very long, for a nocturne. That is why it is not a mere Nocturne, but, as many people agreed, it is more like a Ballade, in terms of complexity, as well as duration |
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| Hmmm? Im already subscibed to you. I must've bumped your old thread somewhere |
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philtecturophy said:
@MalchikRepaid thank you, did you listen until the ending? Because it's quite a long piece, and I'm afraid the slow beginning parts might bore you, especially if the piece is totally unknown to you
@MalchikRepaid thank you, did you listen until the ending? Because it's quite a long piece, and I'm afraid the slow beginning parts might bore you, especially if the piece is totally unknown to you
I listened it from start to finish and I'm familiar with this Chopin's work because it's 1 of the classical scores that my father's old workplace kept playing.
| @MalchikRepaid that's very cool. In my family, only me that is fond of classical piano to the level of listening a piece again and again, and never get bored @Yamada_Jakkun I'm not sure I understand. Which old thread? This thread is pretty new |
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philtecturophy said:
@MalchikRepaid that's very cool. In my family, only me that is fond of classical piano to the level of listening a piece again and again, and never get bored
@MalchikRepaid that's very cool. In my family, only me that is fond of classical piano to the level of listening a piece again and again, and never get bored
I grew up exposing to a lot of Chopin's compositions and I'm much more comfortable with piano works not written by Chopin after years of listen to them on loop.
| @MalchikRepaid I've and never will get tired of Chopin. He is the best classical piano composer for me. Maybe because I always like the depressing, dark nuance of any kind of entertainment such as anime, movies, and his composition is not only having those qualities, but also beautiful at the same time, even his piece that sounds angry is also beautiful. i like some compositions by Rachmaninoff, Scriabin, Liszt and some more too, but they only have very few compositions that are very good, for me.. But for Chopin, it's like 90% of his compositions are to my likings |
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@Aria_no_Kino yes, very long, for a nocturne. That is why it is not a mere Nocturne, but, as many people agreed, it is more like a Ballade, in terms of complexity, as well as duration
| @philtecturophy Do you also play Ballades? I know Chopin's Ballade 1 from the anime Your Lie in April |
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@MalchikRepaid that's very cool. In my family, only me that is fond of classical piano to the level of listening a piece again and again, and never get bored
@Yamada_Jakkun I'm not sure I understand. Which old thread? This thread is pretty new
@Yamada_Jakkun I'm not sure I understand. Which old thread? This thread is pretty new
| @philtecturophy https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=2200903&show=0&msgid=73251194 👆I like the one you played in this thread And i like the one you posted here too. |
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@philtecturophy Do you also play Ballades?
I know Chopin's Ballade 1 from the anime Your Lie in April
I know Chopin's Ballade 1 from the anime Your Lie in April
| @Aria_no_Kino yes, I played Ballade 1, 2 and 4. My favorite is Ballade 4 @Yamada_Jakkun I completely forgot about that thread (playong Fantasie Impromptu on digital piano). I appreciated you listening to some of my recordings, and am glad you enjoyed it. Thanks 👍 |
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| Nice to see you still playing despite the pain, I greatly admire and appreciate that! @philtecturophy  |
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Nice to see you still playing despite the pain, I greatly admire and appreciate that!
@philtecturophy
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| @Shishio-kun thanks friend. I'm still in chronic pain, 8 years, but if I don't fight it, submit to the pain, and stop improving, basically I will just be the same as a walking corpse, a zombie. Especially for a man, what he does every single day determine his value and dignity, at least IMHO. Nice Evangelion image btw |
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