| "Casual fan" is a complicated word, it's in a weird middle ground where you have already went past a certain line into something in order to have a relationship to it, but that such relationship isn't considered "hardcore". In Is "being an otaku" more about the mentality, watching a lot of anime rather coming as a consequence of that? I commented the following: thewiru said: I don't know if maybe it's some weird form of orientalism since people aren't considered "cinema fans" if they only go to the movie theaters every once in a while, but when it comes to anime there's this belief that "to even get into it at all is just a large leap that you might as well call yourself a fan". My point being that, if someone eats pizza once every month, we don't call them "a casual pizza fan", we call them... nothing. Likewise, if someone goes to a movie theater whenever there's a movie everyone's talking about being released, we don't call them "casual movie fans", we call them... nothing. This is different with animation as a whole (Though especially anime) because there's this implication that it isn't something someone would consume "on a whim, like everything else", but rather that it involves some sort of "ritual". Guillermo del Toro popularized the phrase "Animation is cinema", as a way of telling that there really shouldn't be strict separations between the two as we have today, that animation isn't a genre, that an animated movie is as much of a movie as a non-animated one. That didn't come out of nowhere: The denial of animation as cinema is at the cradle of Hollywood, when Snow White was denied a normal Oscar and only received "a honorary one". In a "del Torian" world, there would likely be a lot of people who watch certain anime together with everything else they watch. In such world, there would also still be people like us, the "hardcore fans" of the medium. But I don't know where we could fit the category of "a casual fan", wouldn't that just be a hardcore fan at the start of their journey? |
| Pizza comparison is a shit paralelism, Del Toro has been launching movies less than once per year. https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0868219/ We still call him Director, we never called him casual Director. Frequency does not make you hardcore. Depth makes you hardcore. I am starting to think entering the forums is a Casuality. |
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Reply to Sasori56483
Pizza comparison is a shit paralelism, Del Toro has been launching movies less than once per year. https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0868219/ We still call him Director, we never called him casual Director.
Frequency does not make you hardcore. Depth makes you hardcore. I am starting to think entering the forums is a Casuality.
Frequency does not make you hardcore. Depth makes you hardcore. I am starting to think entering the forums is a Casuality.
| @Sasori56483 Well, to be a director you simple have to direct something once in your life. "Casual" and "Hardcore" really don't apply there because being a director isn't being a fan of something. |
| Why not? These labels are irrelevant to begin with. |
No, this isn't my signature. |
| Yes...? Animation already is cinema (or can be, at least) and we have casual fans. |
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How do you differentiate between fans whom watch a lot of movies, but only the popular ones and the fans, whom watch everything? Because this is what casual anime fan is. Watches more anime than an average person, but only the biggest titles, like Solo Leveling, SnK, KnY etc.
| @ktg I mean, that's kinda my point: The concept of "casual anime fan" currently exists because anime is still seen as been a bit apart of "more mainstream media". Once it became mainstream media, the concept of "a casual anime fan" would simply be absorbed into what is "normalcy". |
Reply to ktg
@thewiru That cannot be "kinda your point", because it refutes your point. There are casual movie fans and it's used to differentiate between fans who watch popular movies and fans who watch everything.
| @ktg Keyword here: Fans What if someone watches popular stuff, but isn't considered a fan? A lot of people go to movie theaters but we don't call all of them fans. |
Reply to ktg
@thewiru Yes, and we are calling them fans because of the number of shows they watch. You don't call someone anime fan just because they watched The Boy and The Heron when it was nominated for Oscar.
So just because someone watches ONE movie per month, you won't call him fan. But if he watches every single popular movie, multiple movies per week, then yes, you will call him a fan. But he would still be a casual fan, because he only watches the popular stuff.
That's the difference in both cases.
So just because someone watches ONE movie per month, you won't call him fan. But if he watches every single popular movie, multiple movies per week, then yes, you will call him a fan. But he would still be a casual fan, because he only watches the popular stuff.
That's the difference in both cases.
| @ktg Makes sense. Though, it also makes me question that, if you're already a casual fan, why not just go hardcore? |
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@thewiru There can be a number of reasons. For example lack of time, what if someone is a casual anime fan, casual movie fan, casual book fan, casual sport fan etc. You cannot consume everything because people don't have that much time. It's also possible that they are not that interested. You like good shows, but not interested in not good shows.
Normally people have jobs, multiple hobbies, social life, so they can't do everything.
Normally people have jobs, multiple hobbies, social life, so they can't do everything.
| @ktg I see, so consumption of multiple hobbies in parallel? |
thewiru said: My point being that, if someone eats pizza once every month, we don't call them "a casual pizza fan", we call them... nothing. Likewise, if someone goes to a movie theater whenever there's a movie everyone's talking about being released, we don't call them "casual movie fans", we call them... nothing. This is different with animation as a whole (Though especially anime) because there's this implication that it isn't something someone would consume "on a whim, like everything else", but rather that it involves some sort of "ritual". Guillermo del Toro popularized the phrase "Animation is cinema", as a way of telling that there really shouldn't be strict separations between the two as we have today, that animation isn't a genre, that an animated movie is as much of a movie as a non-animated one. That didn't come out of nowhere: The denial of animation as cinema is at the cradle of Hollywood, when Snow White was denied a normal Oscar and only received "a honorary one". In a "del Torian" world, there would likely be a lot of people who watch certain anime together with everything else they watch. In such world, there would also still be people like us, the "hardcore fans" of the medium. But I don't know where we could fit the category of "a casual fan", wouldn't that just be a hardcore fan at the start of their journey? Here’s the thing... There’s has never been anything magical about being a fucking Anime fan. Casual vs. hardcore isn’t a rite of passage. This shit is just a shorthand for how much someone engages with a hobby. People casually watch movies, play games, or follow sports all the time, just they don’t bother labeling the shit. Anime gets overanalyzed because of Users like you who like to ritualize fandom. lol Del Toro saying “Animation is cinema” doesn’t change this. You’re conflating art criticism with social behavior. Someone who watches one Anime a month can be called a fucking fan, casual or not, plain and simple. There’s no secret hierarchy, no shit like a mystical journey from casual to hardcore, and definitely no “del Torian world” needed to make sense of this shit. lol |
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| "In a world where "animation is cinema", would there even be such thing as a "casual anime fan"?" OK, this sounds like several memes lumped together into nonsense. If not obvious, what you can watch in a cinema theatre is cinema. And about how culturally important is animation...some titles are, others aren't, just like live action movies. Hollywood being prejudice is nothing new either. "if someone eats pizza once every month, we don't call them "a casual pizza fan", we call them" Not in regular conversation...but in some type of food appreciation club conversation? This pizza analogy doesn't work because MAL is exactly one of those anime appreciation places. Not to mention there are many kinds of pizzas - american style (itself it's an entirely different biome of pizzas including some abominations like deep dish, which only few cooks can get right), pizza rustica, pizza vecchia ect. And as per usual execution is really important. Thus if you really pay attention to what pizzas are people eating and why, there will be different categories of consumers. "we don't call them "casual movie fans"" See above. If we are specifically talking about cinephiles, their watching habits and preferences, there will be definitely some casual moviegoers among the others. "that animation isn't a genre" It's an entire media, duh. |
Reply to ColourWheel
thewiru said:
My point being that, if someone eats pizza once every month, we don't call them "a casual pizza fan", we call them... nothing. Likewise, if someone goes to a movie theater whenever there's a movie everyone's talking about being released, we don't call them "casual movie fans", we call them... nothing.
This is different with animation as a whole (Though especially anime) because there's this implication that it isn't something someone would consume "on a whim, like everything else", but rather that it involves some sort of "ritual".
Guillermo del Toro popularized the phrase "Animation is cinema", as a way of telling that there really shouldn't be strict separations between the two as we have today, that animation isn't a genre, that an animated movie is as much of a movie as a non-animated one. That didn't come out of nowhere: The denial of animation as cinema is at the cradle of Hollywood, when Snow White was denied a normal Oscar and only received "a honorary one".
In a "del Torian" world, there would likely be a lot of people who watch certain anime together with everything else they watch.
In such world, there would also still be people like us, the "hardcore fans" of the medium.
But I don't know where we could fit the category of "a casual fan", wouldn't that just be a hardcore fan at the start of their journey?
My point being that, if someone eats pizza once every month, we don't call them "a casual pizza fan", we call them... nothing. Likewise, if someone goes to a movie theater whenever there's a movie everyone's talking about being released, we don't call them "casual movie fans", we call them... nothing.
This is different with animation as a whole (Though especially anime) because there's this implication that it isn't something someone would consume "on a whim, like everything else", but rather that it involves some sort of "ritual".
Guillermo del Toro popularized the phrase "Animation is cinema", as a way of telling that there really shouldn't be strict separations between the two as we have today, that animation isn't a genre, that an animated movie is as much of a movie as a non-animated one. That didn't come out of nowhere: The denial of animation as cinema is at the cradle of Hollywood, when Snow White was denied a normal Oscar and only received "a honorary one".
In a "del Torian" world, there would likely be a lot of people who watch certain anime together with everything else they watch.
In such world, there would also still be people like us, the "hardcore fans" of the medium.
But I don't know where we could fit the category of "a casual fan", wouldn't that just be a hardcore fan at the start of their journey?
Here’s the thing... There’s has never been anything magical about being a fucking Anime fan. Casual vs. hardcore isn’t a rite of passage. This shit is just a shorthand for how much someone engages with a hobby. People casually watch movies, play games, or follow sports all the time, just they don’t bother labeling the shit. Anime gets overanalyzed because of Users like you who like to ritualize fandom. lol
Del Toro saying “Animation is cinema” doesn’t change this. You’re conflating art criticism with social behavior. Someone who watches one Anime a month can be called a fucking fan, casual or not, plain and simple. There’s no secret hierarchy, no shit like a mystical journey from casual to hardcore, and definitely no “del Torian world” needed to make sense of this shit. lol
ColourWheel said: “del Torian world” I know you're talking about a person, but my mind went somewhere else, lol. https://myanimelist.net/anime/1826 |
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