So many complaint threads

Re:ZERO -Starting Life in Another World- (light novel)

Yesterday, 3:27 PM

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So as is tradition, every season of something gets a million threads from people that are either trying to bait or people who make a thread to say they like the season less than the previous one. I thought I'd make a post just going over some stuff I've seen (no spoilers here)

The timeskip

As stated at the start of the arc, a one year timeskip has occured since the end of arc 4. Yes, there are stories (many of them) that delve into what happened during it that have some fun character interactions and I'd recommend checking them out if you really like the series. Since there's a one year skip every character has grown closer as people should be able to tell by their interactions. The basis still being there but their conversations showing familiarity (Otto, Garfiel, Emilia, Beatrice). The one year skip however does not take away from the core of the characters or what was established at the end of s2

No Subaru is not suddenly mature all the time and yes he still does act goofy as he's always been, but he's much better at getting his point across to others now and he has skill and experience as a tactician. Garfiel is a kid btw (for anyone who didn't remember) so when people say he "glazes Subaru" it's really silly. He's been praising Subaru since the end of s2 as someone who could do anything after Subaru saves him from the sanctuary. Garfiel sees him as a big brother and he's the only major connection he's had so it's natural that he praises him extensively

Emilia

No she's not a damsel. If episode 7 didn't already establish that she's not willing to sit put and do nothing. Regulus is vastly more powerful than her so no, she's not going to do something stupid here and get herself killed before she's sure that someone on the caliber of Reinhard can actually try and intervene. She's incredibly strong but she's not dumb enough to duel him just yet. Episode 2 already showed that she's grown out of her shell so I'm not sure where people are getting the "she's uncharacteristically different" thing from

The side cast

People saying it's a smash "they're all here" with no setup is also a weird take to me given that..yeah episode 1 established why everyone was there. Season 1 already set a basis for how these characters act and s3 builds on that. These character's haven't seen each other for a long time but there was no time for a deeper reunion given the situation which is why the frantic nature of the arc is established until they cool off after the flood. I do have a criticism here that I can't say falls on anime onlys since there are many side stories that flesh these characters out that the anime does not adapt that gives so much more meaning to their interactions but that's unfortunately the nature of a light novel adaptation

Animation

Most of the comments I've seen on this have been positive but I've seen some incredibly out of touch comments on this too so I figured I'd get it out of the way. No, the budget is still high (not that it matters as much as anime fans act like it does), the animation direction has been consistent, there are good bits of character acting and "sakuga" (though it's nothing too impressive yet) but the season has maintained really solid prod value for the buildup section. As people should be able to tell by the name of the second half of the arc, the major stuff hasn't happened yet and they've stuck to consistency for now. I'm still not sure how people watched s2 and genuinely think that s3 doesn't look good after seeing a zoomed in png for 90% of s2 and minimal direction due to production issues and somehow thinking that's good? Either way, I've accepted that people don't have a clue about animation half the time but while it's nothing outstanding so far, it's been done consistently well

Pacing

This is a genuine issue for some episodes. S3 doesn't have 29 min episodes on the regular so some content like Garf's story were shortened significantly. Yes, the novel is nearly always better. Yes, that's always been the case. Some episodes have good pacing like episode 5 while others are sped through like 3.

I also have to point out here how I see some people calling some dialogue in episode 7 (pre-speech) meaningless. They adapted the full chapter this time with pretty much no cuts and then the same people who praise s2 say it's meaningless yap. I'm a big fan and even I know that the script decisions for s2 weren't the best at times and important lines were cut for characters talking in circles about the same thing while a zoomed in png sits on the screen was an issue. I have to take a second to point out how insanely hypocritical some people are about certain dialogue. But yes, the pre-speech was important to establish that despite there being stronger, smarter, more influential people, Subaru was still the one to speak. And yes, the conversation with Al about being a hero is also vital. I've seen people label the speech as cringe but...that's kinda who Subaru is and always has been. He's still 18 (not even a full adult) and he's an otaku. He speaks in a way that inspires people by dragging himself down to their level. I don't really understand how people sat through and enjoyed the first 2 seasons if they didn't get Subaru as a person but to each their own

That's not everything but I thought I'd make this anyway. Hope everyone is hyped for cour 2, I have a feeling that WF will knock it out of the park. And yes, Re:Zero does return to it's roots for the people who think that a battle arc is the norm. It's not. But I also know lots of people who love the fast paced approach it has compared to s2 so I guess you can't really make everyone happy

Yesterday, 6:27 PM

Altofanime

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couldnt agree more
istg ppl just love to complain

Yesterday, 7:08 PM

INTJ_Ren

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If we stopped getting new anime and manga and they made illegal to watch anywhere in the world they would complain so just ignore them. It’s like my 7th grade social studies teacher once said everyone has butts; they don’t all smell good.

Yesterday, 9:03 PM

KreatorX

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I don't really understand how people sat through and enjoyed the first 2 seasons if they didn't get Subaru as a person but to each their own

Plenty of people in the anime community are closet masochists, and not in a good way.

Anyway, it's a known fact that there is a human tendency to crave validation, to try convince others that they were "right" all along, yet not realizing they're wasting time doing so. Quite ironic (and moronic), really.

Hope everyone is hyped for cour 2, I have a feeling that WF will knock it out of the park.

I've high hopes they will. Would be nice to see some OVAs cover the side stories, or showcase the cut content some time in the future.

I guess you can't really make everyone happy

You cannot. Many people like being spoon-fed since anime should be "easy to consume", some people like digging deep into the details. One really cool thing for me was to view the no-death-timeline and it's amusing to see how Subaru appeared in the eyes of others, as opposed to seeing everything through Subaru's eyes alone. That's where all these characters and their arcs really shine.

12 hours ago

Laplace_kun

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I appreciate you for going through this effort, but I doubt most people making these threads are as serious as you.

These guys, even if they have Re:Zero (anime) in their favorites, couldn't reproduce the events properly when asked. Extremely bad attention span, susceptibility to hype, irrational thinking among other things have led to some cringe moments.

Also you will see these sort of people in S5. Because watching the popular seasonal shows is more of an obligation than anything. If RZ was a 150 ep long franchise without breaks or seasons, many of these would be... gone.

"All truth is meaningless. In the end, 'meaning' comes from the mind of each individual human. Even when there is a single truth, it can mean different things to different individuals. The truth has no meaning in itself!" - Erika Furudo

12 hours ago

Piromysl

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Nice, post. 👍 Though is kinda frustrating, that something so obvious even needs to be said.

8 hours ago

Barbok

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None of this invalidates the criticisms. Just accept there are people with different opinions, just because you don't agree with the criticism doesn't mean it's "complaining".

6 hours ago

QcDiablo

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Barbok said:
None of this invalidates the criticisms. Just accept there are people with different opinions, just because you don't agree with the criticism doesn't mean it's "complaining".

I haven't found a lot of valid criticism on MAL. There is for sure, but most could be answered just by watching the show.

I can safely say that around 90% of the "criticism" against Re:Zero here is from people who didn't watch the show or parts of it, or didn't listen to a few very important moments at the very least.

6 hours ago

Barbok

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QcDiablo said:

Barbok said:
None of this invalidates the criticisms. Just accept there are people with different opinions, just because you don't agree with the criticism doesn't mean it's "complaining".

You say that but even that is something you make up or believe, again just because you don't think it's valid doesn't mean others do as well. Especially with the obvious bias considering your profile picture lol

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Laplace_kun

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@Barbok But it's mostly the truth? Even the latest "am I the only one" post complains about the antagonists in Ep 3. Ep 3 when only two out of the teased antagonists had any good amount of screen time.

It's not only the truth in Re:Zero forums. People in MAL (if not in many other boards) have shown the sheer inability to analyze or criticize properly across franchises. Critics are the lamest beings on the planet if what we have come across count as criticisms.

We are not even talking about people simply calling things "boring" or "overrated" - there is absolutely nothing to discuss there.

Also none of what you have written here invalidates anything made in the post. At least they did the work of writing about some of the points. Meanwhile, you can just be proud of expressing emptiness in words.

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LeoDrago

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Great post. This season has been an easy target for complainers and the tweeting haters.

I see MT fans targeting Rezero, I see anti-Subaru delusionists who can’t grasp his character at all, and actual media literacy deficient bums that do not and will not understand Rezeros core principles as a series despite watching 2 seasons lol.

Arc 5 was a good read. But it was clearly written with the anime in mind being action heavy and high stakes. WF is delivering on that so far. Both are solid. Arc 6 will be even crazier given it’s widely regarded as Rezeros best arcs and fan fav by majority. And that’s on top of already good arcs from before.

3 hours ago

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Balzaphon

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Reply to Barbok

None of this invalidates the criticisms. Just accept there are people with different opinions, just because you don't agree with the criticism doesn't mean it's "complaining".

It is complaining because they are invalid as they have been delicately addressed by the op
You aren't wrong, you are bad
You can't comprehend any of the counterpoints so you cope by completely dismissing them, unfortunately for you a "no u" can only invalidate another "no u" and nothing else

2 hours ago

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Laplace_kun

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@LeoDrago I think it should be worth mentioning that MT fans shouldn't be singled out. There are many people masquerading as MT fans to use it as a "standard" against Re:Zero.

As a MT LN reader who has actually spent time here and there talking to many MT fans, they are actually a pretty chill bunch, despite having to face the Rudeus hate. Obviously this is biased sampling, but I think you get my point...

Not to mention how the two authors respect each other so much, and I'd love a collab like Isekai Quartet but more serious some day.

Laplace_kun2 hours ago

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Kanna4Rokudaime

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Barbok said:
None of this invalidates the criticisms. Just accept there are people with different opinions, just because you don't agree with the criticism doesn't mean it's "complaining".

I think it’s weird that people use “people have different opinions” as some sort of carte blanche or shield.

Opinions can be invalid lol. The feelings attributed to the opinion held will always be valid. Your feelings are your feelings. However, the statements made in your opinions can absolutely be invalid. Especially if they’re based on a lack of comprehension.

OP did a great breakdown of why many common criticism are rather absurd.

You do not have to accept that there are people with different opinions, because opinions can be truthful and/or informed, and they can also be untruthful and/or uninformed. What you should accept though, is the right for them to have the *feelings* that they do.

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