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Nov 11, 10:02 AM
#51
Reply to HoangNguyen2107
RobertBobert said:
People, seriously, can you wait at least a couple of days until the last chapter comes out? It just amazes me how people over-dramatize every new chapter without even trying to wait until the story actually ends.
People, seriously, can you wait at least a couple of days until the last chapter comes out? It just amazes me how people over-dramatize every new chapter without even trying to wait until the story actually ends.
The final chapter been leaked for days now
We know what happens in the last chapter,even if it wasnt leaked,with the way 165 was written,it wouldnt take a genius to know thay 166 will just be ppl move on fron Aqua's death
Also,for most manga,the "final chapter" often serves as a epilogue with the 2nd to last being the "ending"
So me talking about "the ending" is very normal and not "why cant peopke be patient and wait"
@HoangNguyen2107 Are you sure? The final chapter will be released the day after tomorrow, but all the so-called leaks that I found on the Internet describe two chapters before that. And yes, no matter what the leaks are, they still need to be confirmed. Which obviously won't happen before the release of the original chapter. |
Nov 11, 10:06 AM
#52
For people who read the Kaguya manga all throughout... Theyve expected this... The author writes good & interesting concept of the manga at the start & thus made it popular... & ofc he knows how to fumble its ending too... |
" Kindness can sometimes lead you to trouble. " |
Nov 11, 10:16 AM
#53
RobertBobert said: @HoangNguyen2107 Are you sure? The final chapter will be released the day after tomorrow, but all the so-called leaks that I found on the Internet describe two chapters before that. And yes, no matter what the leaks are, they still need to be confirmed. Which obviously won't happen before the release of the original chapter. Well first,leaks are often correct about the outline of the chapters,we dont havd any panels but the leaks told about the premiss of 166 Second, the source have a history so i have my trust Lastly,like ive already said,it wouldnt take a genius to know how 166 would go (people dealing with Aqua's death and move on) because thats literally the basic of writing a story with someone died at the end. Maybe there could be some surprise but it wouldnt change the core of last chapter |
Nov 11, 10:22 AM
#54
Reply to HoangNguyen2107
RobertBobert said:
@HoangNguyen2107 Are you sure? The final chapter will be released the day after tomorrow, but all the so-called leaks that I found on the Internet describe two chapters before that. And yes, no matter what the leaks are, they still need to be confirmed. Which obviously won't happen before the release of the original chapter.
@HoangNguyen2107 Are you sure? The final chapter will be released the day after tomorrow, but all the so-called leaks that I found on the Internet describe two chapters before that. And yes, no matter what the leaks are, they still need to be confirmed. Which obviously won't happen before the release of the original chapter.
Well first,leaks are often correct about the outline of the chapters,we dont havd any panels but the leaks told about the premiss of 166
Second, the source have a history so i have my trust
Lastly,like ive already said,it wouldnt take a genius to know how 166 would go (people dealing with Aqua's death and move on) because thats literally the basic of writing a story with someone died at the end. Maybe there could be some surprise but it wouldnt change the core of last chapter
@HoangNguyen2107 So you're just discussing things as fact based on a leaked chapter that hasn't been released yet? Seriously? And don’t tell me about the premise, we saw a few chapters ago how Aqua was convinced of the importance of his current identity and how excessive attachment to Goro’s legacy is ruining his current life. This is literally one of the reasons why people criticize the (potential) ending. Of course, leaks can be a reason for discussion, but arguing and citing this as a fact is completely stupid. |
Nov 11, 12:52 PM
#55
Reply to RobertBobert
@HoangNguyen2107 Are you sure? The final chapter will be released the day after tomorrow, but all the so-called leaks that I found on the Internet describe two chapters before that. And yes, no matter what the leaks are, they still need to be confirmed. Which obviously won't happen before the release of the original chapter.
@RobertBobert Whole raw chapter is already online |
Nov 11, 1:09 PM
#56
Reply to bastek66
@RobertBobert Whole raw chapter is already online
@bastek66 I saw it, but it’s so bad that I don’t want to believe it even more. Because if the last chapter looked like just a bad epilogue, then this chapter seemed to be done on the knee to lazily end the story with a formal ending after its destruction. @Hitagi__Furude Kaguya's ending was just mediocre, as if Aka had run out of steam and was formally writing poorly thought out chapters about nothing. But here he literally ruined a bunch of things, right down to the main idea of the manga. And ended it with a couple of shitty chapters with an epilogue montage. Compared to this, Kaguya was finished just fine. Seriously. I'm usually used to having to argue with people to prove why I think something is bad, but this is literally bad on so many levels. |
RobertBobertNov 11, 1:14 PM
Nov 11, 1:17 PM
#57
Reply to RobertBobert
@bastek66 I saw it, but it’s so bad that I don’t want to believe it even more. Because if the last chapter looked like just a bad epilogue, then this chapter seemed to be done on the knee to lazily end the story with a formal ending after its destruction.
@Hitagi__Furude Kaguya's ending was just mediocre, as if Aka had run out of steam and was formally writing poorly thought out chapters about nothing. But here he literally ruined a bunch of things, right down to the main idea of the manga. And ended it with a couple of shitty chapters with an epilogue montage. Compared to this, Kaguya was finished just fine. Seriously. I'm usually used to having to argue with people to prove why I think something is bad, but this is literally bad on so many levels.
@Hitagi__Furude Kaguya's ending was just mediocre, as if Aka had run out of steam and was formally writing poorly thought out chapters about nothing. But here he literally ruined a bunch of things, right down to the main idea of the manga. And ended it with a couple of shitty chapters with an epilogue montage. Compared to this, Kaguya was finished just fine. Seriously. I'm usually used to having to argue with people to prove why I think something is bad, but this is literally bad on so many levels.
@RobertBobert Well if it makes you feel better, apparently there's supposed to be an extra chapter included in the volume release. Doubt it will change much but sometimes manga authors put the "real" ending in them (Hoshino-san me o tsubette comes to mind). |
Nov 11, 1:20 PM
#58
Reply to hyperknees91
@RobertBobert Well if it makes you feel better, apparently there's supposed to be an extra chapter included in the volume release. Doubt it will change much but sometimes manga authors put the "real" ending in them (Hoshino-san me o tsubette comes to mind).
@hyperknees91 Real one? Isn't just an attempt to soften the fandom's butthurt with an alternate ending or manipulate them like in the case of Prison Schhool? |
Nov 11, 1:25 PM
#59
Reply to RobertBobert
@hyperknees91 Real one? Isn't just an attempt to soften the fandom's butthurt with an alternate ending or manipulate them like in the case of Prison Schhool?
@RobertBobert Unfortunately we won't know until its out...it just teases its going to reveal a secret. Like said, wouldn't hold my breath but you never know. |
Nov 11, 1:52 PM
#60
honestly I think the ending suits the manga I did felt sad when aqua died but honestly that's the whole point oshi no ko was never a happy story but a tragic one and it ended that way tragic ending doesn't equal to bad ending |
Nov 11, 2:03 PM
#61
Reply to quietkun27
honestly I think the ending suits the manga I did felt sad when aqua died but honestly that's the whole point oshi no ko was never a happy story but a tragic one and it ended that way tragic ending doesn't equal to bad ending
@quietkun27 It was always a tragic story, but it taught how to prevent new tragedies and protect a happy future. Which is what this ending destroyed. @hyperknees91 From what I see, they also announced a new LN about Kana and Akane. I hope this is just a spin-off about their childhood and not an attempt to distract the attention of fans with a yuri after the death of the male lead. Then it will just be bingo. |
Nov 11, 2:27 PM
#62
Reply to RobertBobert
@quietkun27 It was always a tragic story, but it taught how to prevent new tragedies and protect a happy future. Which is what this ending destroyed.
@hyperknees91 From what I see, they also announced a new LN about Kana and Akane. I hope this is just a spin-off about their childhood and not an attempt to distract the attention of fans with a yuri after the death of the male lead. Then it will just be bingo.
@hyperknees91 From what I see, they also announced a new LN about Kana and Akane. I hope this is just a spin-off about their childhood and not an attempt to distract the attention of fans with a yuri after the death of the male lead. Then it will just be bingo.
@RobertBobert Lawl...the one thing this story needs is more pointless ship teasing. I'm expecting it will be just like the bloom into you light novels. |
Nov 11, 2:30 PM
#63
Reply to hyperknees91
@RobertBobert Lawl...the one thing this story needs is more pointless ship teasing. I'm expecting it will be just like the bloom into you light novels.
@hyperknees91 I think Bloom into you LN was actually even better than the original manga in some aspects. But if this really is an attempt to distract fans with a G-Orphans style ending one way or the other, I'm really going to hate this manga. |
Nov 11, 2:42 PM
#64
Reply to RobertBobert
@hyperknees91 I think Bloom into you LN was actually even better than the original manga in some aspects. But if this really is an attempt to distract fans with a G-Orphans style ending one way or the other, I'm really going to hate this manga.
@RobertBobert Good lord G-orphans ending was so strange for a gundam show. Shipping has really gotten out of control in anime. I was giving Aka the benefit of the doubt with Kaguya's ending in that he was just burned out. But I think this story solidified for me that he just gets bored and wants to move on as soon as he can so I think will be the last work I read of his. |
Nov 11, 2:52 PM
#65
Reply to hyperknees91
@RobertBobert Good lord G-orphans ending was so strange for a gundam show. Shipping has really gotten out of control in anime.
I was giving Aka the benefit of the doubt with Kaguya's ending in that he was just burned out. But I think this story solidified for me that he just gets bored and wants to move on as soon as he can so I think will be the last work I read of his.
I was giving Aka the benefit of the doubt with Kaguya's ending in that he was just burned out. But I think this story solidified for me that he just gets bored and wants to move on as soon as he can so I think will be the last work I read of his.
@hyperknees91 Huh, looks like Sunrise wanted this so bad that they literally built the next original TV Gundam around it, lmao. Which seems ironic considering how fans were much more vocal in criticizing this in the case of Orphans. Many people write that the manga was finished so poorly due to revenge against his editor, who forced him to continue it further than he wanted. But I just don't see the point because in the end it was his fans who suffered the most, not the editor. |
Nov 11, 4:28 PM
#66
Reply to RobertBobert
@hyperknees91 Huh, looks like Sunrise wanted this so bad that they literally built the next original TV Gundam around it, lmao. Which seems ironic considering how fans were much more vocal in criticizing this in the case of Orphans.
Many people write that the manga was finished so poorly due to revenge against his editor, who forced him to continue it further than he wanted. But I just don't see the point because in the end it was his fans who suffered the most, not the editor.
Many people write that the manga was finished so poorly due to revenge against his editor, who forced him to continue it further than he wanted. But I just don't see the point because in the end it was his fans who suffered the most, not the editor.
@RobertBobert Must have had some good merch sales is my guess... That's possible but I think getting into that sort of speculation territory isn't very productive as there's really no way to tell (especially with Japan defamation laws, they would never admin to something like that). At the end of the day, if he really cared about the manga, he wouldn't have ended it like that even if he was spiteful about something going on behind the scenes. |
Nov 11, 4:35 PM
#67
Reply to hyperknees91
@RobertBobert Must have had some good merch sales is my guess...
That's possible but I think getting into that sort of speculation territory isn't very productive as there's really no way to tell (especially with Japan defamation laws, they would never admin to something like that). At the end of the day, if he really cared about the manga, he wouldn't have ended it like that even if he was spiteful about something going on behind the scenes.
That's possible but I think getting into that sort of speculation territory isn't very productive as there's really no way to tell (especially with Japan defamation laws, they would never admin to something like that). At the end of the day, if he really cared about the manga, he wouldn't have ended it like that even if he was spiteful about something going on behind the scenes.
@hyperknees91 Well, this is the second time he has so blatantly torpedoed his work in order to move on to a new one. So we already know that Aka is at least inclined to completely abandon things even if they have great significance. Just remember how he lazily left an open ending to Miko and Ishigami, just clumsily turning their last scene into a mirror of the central couple. But a lazy ending is not the ending that destroys everything with the murder of the main character. |
Nov 11, 5:06 PM
#68
Reply to RobertBobert
@hyperknees91 Well, this is the second time he has so blatantly torpedoed his work in order to move on to a new one. So we already know that Aka is at least inclined to completely abandon things even if they have great significance.
Just remember how he lazily left an open ending to Miko and Ishigami, just clumsily turning their last scene into a mirror of the central couple. But a lazy ending is not the ending that destroys everything with the murder of the main character.
Just remember how he lazily left an open ending to Miko and Ishigami, just clumsily turning their last scene into a mirror of the central couple. But a lazy ending is not the ending that destroys everything with the murder of the main character.
@RobertBobert Just to be real with you, no one hates the second half/ending of Kaguya more than me. I do see plenty of people who still can enjoy it and I can respect that, but that issue you mentioned with it is one of many on why I dislike it so much. I'm not sure what his problem is. If Renai Daikou didn't get axed I would say its because he feels like he can do whatever he wants and people won't care, but I would've assumed that taught him a lesson (especially because now he has two works which have been axed). |
Nov 11, 6:00 PM
#69
Have only read volume 1. After the Attack On Titan ending hate campaign, I've never trusted anyone's opinion about bad endings ever again. Even without including the Attack On Titan drama, I've experienced that Westerners lack reading comprehension. So yeah, I'll make my own opinion when I read it in the manga/watch it on the anime. |
Nov 11, 6:16 PM
#70
Reply to Infernalization
Have only read volume 1. After the Attack On Titan ending hate campaign, I've never trusted anyone's opinion about bad endings ever again. Even without including the Attack On Titan drama, I've experienced that Westerners lack reading comprehension. So yeah, I'll make my own opinion when I read it in the manga/watch it on the anime.
@Infernalization Can you explain why you're so adamant about who didn't like the ending of AoT? Well, except for a slightly similar drama with the fate of the main character. @hyperknees91 Do you think that Aka at some point got star sickness and God syndrome, deciding that he could do and react as he wanted, even if people were against it? This reminds me a little of Seo Koji from the time of that twist in Fuuka, after which he seemed to have sworn off provoking fans so much. But to be honest, I could forgive Aqua's death based on my reaction to the death of protagonists in some other shows, but how poorly it was done... |
Nov 11, 10:03 PM
#71
I have lose interest not even gonna read manga or watch Oshi no ko anime season 3. Killing Aquamarine Hoshino is like killing Oshi no ko series itself. Game over no sequel shit ending. I pretend I never watch or read about Oshi no ko. |
Nov 12, 5:29 AM
#72
RobertBobert said: @Infernalization Can you explain why you're so adamant about who didn't like the ending of AoT? Well, except for a slightly similar drama with the fate of the main character. @hyperknees91 Do you think that Aka at some point got star sickness and God syndrome, deciding that he could do and react as he wanted, even if people were against it? This reminds me a little of Seo Koji from the time of that twist in Fuuka, after which he seemed to have sworn off provoking fans so much. But to be honest, I could forgive Aqua's death based on my reaction to the death of protagonists in some other shows, but how poorly it was done... Because all the people who whined about the ending of AOT were a loud minority who were trying to gaslight anime only people into hating the series when the ending made perfectly sense. Whether the ending haters being a loud minority is the case with Oshi no Ko? I don't know, but I am just sick and tired that people have to take away someone else's enjoyment just because they didn't like an ending. |
Nov 12, 6:19 AM
#73
Reply to DemonDarknight
I have lose interest not even gonna read manga or watch Oshi no ko anime season 3. Killing Aquamarine Hoshino is like killing Oshi no ko series itself. Game over no sequel shit ending. I pretend I never watch or read about Oshi no ko.
@DemonDarknight I'm afraid that a lot of people will ignore the live action or the third season for this reason. Or at least they will be viewed through a much more biased perspective. I want to sympathize with Ruby after all this, but with Aka pushing her to the side significantly, it just feels like Aqua being made a scapegoat for her well-being. @Infernalization I would say that this is quite subjective and it would be rude to accuse all dissenting people of whining or gaslighting just because you personally had a different opinion. But personally, I was more irritated by the attempts of some people to convince themselves and everyone that Miksa should die forever alone so that they would not feel NTR-ed. |
Nov 12, 6:34 AM
#74
RobertBobert said: @DemonDarknight I'm afraid that a lot of people will ignore the live action or the third season for this reason. Or at least they will be viewed through a much more biased perspective. I want to sympathize with Ruby after all this, but with Aka pushing her to the side significantly, it just feels like Aqua being made a scapegoat for her well-being. @Infernalization I would say that this is quite subjective and it would be rude to accuse all dissenting people of whining or gaslighting just because you personally had a different opinion. But personally, I was more irritated by the attempts of some people to convince themselves and everyone that Miksa should die forever alone so that they would not feel NTR-ed. The people who I call whiners are the type of people who send death threats to/bullying the author, burning manga and bullying people who do like the ending, which was in the case of AOT a large part of the vocal minority. The group of civil dissenting people who dislike an ending are not included in this. |
Nov 12, 6:42 AM
#75
Reply to Infernalization
RobertBobert said:
@DemonDarknight I'm afraid that a lot of people will ignore the live action or the third season for this reason. Or at least they will be viewed through a much more biased perspective. I want to sympathize with Ruby after all this, but with Aka pushing her to the side significantly, it just feels like Aqua being made a scapegoat for her well-being.
@Infernalization I would say that this is quite subjective and it would be rude to accuse all dissenting people of whining or gaslighting just because you personally had a different opinion. But personally, I was more irritated by the attempts of some people to convince themselves and everyone that Miksa should die forever alone so that they would not feel NTR-ed.
@DemonDarknight I'm afraid that a lot of people will ignore the live action or the third season for this reason. Or at least they will be viewed through a much more biased perspective. I want to sympathize with Ruby after all this, but with Aka pushing her to the side significantly, it just feels like Aqua being made a scapegoat for her well-being.
@Infernalization I would say that this is quite subjective and it would be rude to accuse all dissenting people of whining or gaslighting just because you personally had a different opinion. But personally, I was more irritated by the attempts of some people to convince themselves and everyone that Miksa should die forever alone so that they would not feel NTR-ed.
The people who I call whiners are the type of people who send death threats to/bullying the author, burning manga and bullying people who do like the ending, which was in the case of AOT a large part of the vocal minority.
The group of civil dissenting people who dislike an ending are not included in this.
@Infernalization Well, then you should have pointed this out in the first place. Because in your past comments you actually generalized and blamed everyone |
Nov 13, 2:56 PM
#76
I like and respect Akasaka-sensei, but I guess he's too cool for a proper happy ending. All the characters deserved it |
Nov 13, 3:29 PM
#78
Nov 13, 3:39 PM
#79
Reply to sharydow
@mrjdko Entertaining is lying.
That’s the message.
Entertainers lie to protect themselves, they lie to hide their scars, they lie to inspire hope. Ruby thought she could do it without lying, she was wrong.
That’s the message.
Entertainers lie to protect themselves, they lie to hide their scars, they lie to inspire hope. Ruby thought she could do it without lying, she was wrong.
@sharydow Yes, but we were told almost the entire manga that this was bad and MC even died trying to support Ruby’s desire to become a star without repeating the fate of her mother. If Aka really intended this from the very beginning, then he was simply lying himself and deceiving the audience, convincing them that he was going to protect his characters and inspire the audience to believe in the victory of truth and a healthy mentality. |
Nov 13, 4:02 PM
#80
Reply to RobertBobert
@sharydow Yes, but we were told almost the entire manga that this was bad and MC even died trying to support Ruby’s desire to become a star without repeating the fate of her mother. If Aka really intended this from the very beginning, then he was simply lying himself and deceiving the audience, convincing them that he was going to protect his characters and inspire the audience to believe in the victory of truth and a healthy mentality.
RobertBobert said: but we were told almost the entire manga that this was bad No? When? Ai died because of her psychopath boyfriend not because she was lying. We were told at multiple instances that lying was ok and necessary. That’s the conclusion of the reality show arc? Expose yourself too much and you’ll be hurt more by the haters (to the point of almost killing yoursef). Put up a character and you’ll feel safer. That’s also very good advice. Streamers on the internet that wear a character when they stream and use pseudonyms are actually able to put a distance between them and their audience. |
Nov 13, 4:19 PM
#81
Nov 15, 11:37 PM
#82
I don't think seeing a death flag on a character from the first chapter is a good thing for a story. If you know what is going to happen in the end what is the purpose of the whole story? So, if a story starts with a tragedy it is supposed to end with a tragedy? Is this for granted? Aqua did what he thought was right. But what did he leave behind in the process? A Ruby who is traumatized three times and now faking her smile? Is that what Aqua wanted? Just to keep Ruby alive and lie to herself being happy the rest of her life? To carry the burden of losing her brother for fulfilling her own dreams? Saying that it was supposed to happen or it was the only way is just lazy. You can hit the rock bottom while also giving a happy ending and I think Oshi no ko and its fans deserved it (the happy ending). (When the first season came there were a lot of expectations and promises. We see Arima declare that she will become the best idol in Aqua's eye. But what happens with her story? After the Tokyo Blade arc there is barely any development and after the Scandal arc she is almost treated as a joke. I know she wasn't the protagonist of the story but she deserved a good ending) |
Nov 16, 12:27 AM
#83
Just as I predicted, the story is an absolute shit show. |
Nov 16, 12:54 PM
#84
Nov 17, 3:17 PM
#85
The biggest flaw was that it was rushed. No matter what ending Aka chose, he should have given it more chapters to develop. |
Nov 17, 5:08 PM
#86
The author has some responsibility to the people that spent their time and money on their work. This dude just got bored and dashed off a POS lazy ending. |
Nov 17, 6:14 PM
#87
Reply to JetAway
I don’t understand why people think the ending suits the story or fits.
The whole last arc was dedicated to making a movie that would ruin the reputation of Aqua’s father.
Instead of developing that plot, the author just says ‘nuh uh, actually the dad is planning to kill Ruby anyway, so Aqua has to die to stop his dad.’
Why waste our time with the movie if it was never going to matter???
The whole last arc was dedicated to making a movie that would ruin the reputation of Aqua’s father.
Instead of developing that plot, the author just says ‘nuh uh, actually the dad is planning to kill Ruby anyway, so Aqua has to die to stop his dad.’
Why waste our time with the movie if it was never going to matter???
@JetAway I totally agree with you, we had the alternating ending set already like on chapter 155, tying up the ends on chapter 158 with the other ex-members attempt. All we needed was for Kamiki to rot in prison after being stripped of everything after the movie, another way of dying. (We can drop the revengeplot and show that our maincharacter is more mature). Aqua calls Arima his idol on her last performance and Ruby gets friendzoned into the familylove that they actually have for eachother. A bright ending showing all the involved characters once again. Until Aquas final moments I thought the setting was staged to make Kamiki reveal the truth for some hiding police or another way to make him confess but it was a disappointment leading us back on the road of revenge to glorification and selfjustification. |
Nov 18, 4:52 PM
#88
The ending was something that came unexpected to me. As the movie was made and Nino reported all the crimes his father did. They could have dealt with him in that way and it would have actually made sense with the whole Manga and plot. I really do not like the choice the author took here, as he basically nullifies the entire last arc with that choice. That could have been done before the arc started when he found out who his father is. What was the point of the last arc then? Just to fill some chapters? I am torn about the ending, never have I cried so hard at the end of a Manga and never was I so mad, not even Berserk did that to me. I do understand why the author made that choice, but the last arc is something I do not understand, as it was not needed for the story at all, its basically a filler, a very well made one and i am glad that its there, as it brought me some long sought after answers and closure, but for the overall story it didnt matter at all. |
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