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If you would take a look at list you would recognise that 00s and 10s were fullfilled with big interest, even bigger than 20s, the matter of problem is before 00s and by words "revival of interest" it literally telling that there wasn't anykind of interest no matter if decreased or increased, the same with revivals in historicism. Wording is a big matter, which is why I hate having such conversations in English.
If there wouldn't be that much of interest there would never be such a big series as Civilizations and Total War which exist since 90s/00s
If you would take a look at list you would recognise that 00s and 10s were fullfilled with big interest, even bigger than 20s, the matter of problem is before 00s and by words "revival of interest" it literally telling that there wasn't anykind of interest no matter if decreased or increased, the same with revivals in historicism. Wording is a big matter, which is why I hate having such conversations in English.
If there wouldn't be that much of interest there would never be such a big series as Civilizations and Total War which exist since 90s/00s
| @Zettaiken The problem is that in your understanding, a drop or increase in interest is simply impossible, since as long as at least some thematic content is being produced, this is the preservation of interest. That is, in this understanding, interest in the Middle Ages was stable and never changed until the creation of the first works about the Middle Ages. This is simply an overgeneralization that denies any nuance or context as such. That is, denial of even the POSSIBILITY of fluctuations in interest in something. For example, your approach denies the failures of fantasy films in the 80s and 90s, which made fantasy films considered a lost cause for many years and why Jackson had trouble finding money for The Lord of the Rings for a long time. Which, by the way, happened after that, because not a single attempt to “kill the Lord of the Rings” succeeded until the advent of the Game of Thrones. Because since at that time some fantasy works continued to appear, the interest was stable and did not fall. Because you only recognize the decline in interest as the complete erasure of any fantasy works as such, which obviously never happened. Which thus denies any possible drop in interest in anything as such, because you can always find work about anything. |
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@Zettaiken The problem is that in your understanding, a drop or increase in interest is simply impossible, since as long as at least some thematic content is being produced, this is the preservation of interest. That is, in this understanding, interest in the Middle Ages was stable and never changed until the creation of the first works about the Middle Ages. This is simply an overgeneralization that denies any nuance or context as such. That is, denial of even the POSSIBILITY of fluctuations in interest in something.
For example, your approach denies the failures of fantasy films in the 80s and 90s, which made fantasy films considered a lost cause for many years and why Jackson had trouble finding money for The Lord of the Rings for a long time. Which, by the way, happened after that, because not a single attempt to “kill the Lord of the Rings” succeeded until the advent of the Game of Thrones. Because since at that time some fantasy works continued to appear, the interest was stable and did not fall. Because you only recognize the decline in interest as the complete erasure of any fantasy works as such, which obviously never happened. Which thus denies any possible drop in interest in anything as such, because you can always find work about anything.
For example, your approach denies the failures of fantasy films in the 80s and 90s, which made fantasy films considered a lost cause for many years and why Jackson had trouble finding money for The Lord of the Rings for a long time. Which, by the way, happened after that, because not a single attempt to “kill the Lord of the Rings” succeeded until the advent of the Game of Thrones. Because since at that time some fantasy works continued to appear, the interest was stable and did not fall. Because you only recognize the decline in interest as the complete erasure of any fantasy works as such, which obviously never happened. Which thus denies any possible drop in interest in anything as such, because you can always find work about anything.
| @RobertBobert Yes cause that's the opposite of your view - and if you would have notice in such topics I am very often trying to have that approach in the topic no matter if I personally agree nor disagree with "my view" as it brings the clash, making an interested conversation. You'd like to see the changes in interest in current times and the changes of that topic is in fact from 2000-2010 cause they produced the biggest iconic hits revelant to middle-ages, the 2020s are just trying to keep that trend living not reviving it. I can't tell that much of fantasy productions cause I am not in that topic at all I do know Lotr and Got but I don't know anything about stuff behind the scenes, nor was a big fan of any of these titles. |
| Some anime shows turned out to be good otherwise I don't know. Does pop culture even matter anymore?? Maybe let's start a unpop culture??? I don't know lol. |
| It's called COVID-19 as in November 2019, but most of the consequences like lockdowns and quarantining was in 2020s. It's probably the most well-known thing of the 20s. Otherwise, good examples I co-sign are ChatGPT, Squid Game, TikTok, Zoom. |
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@RobertBobert
Yes cause that's the opposite of your view - and if you would have notice in such topics I am very often trying to have that approach in the topic no matter if I personally agree nor disagree with "my view" as it brings the clash, making an interested conversation.
You'd like to see the changes in interest in current times and the changes of that topic is in fact from 2000-2010 cause they produced the biggest iconic hits revelant to middle-ages, the 2020s are just trying to keep that trend living not reviving it.
I can't tell that much of fantasy productions cause I am not in that topic at all I do know Lotr and Got but I don't know anything about stuff behind the scenes, nor was a big fan of any of these titles.
Yes cause that's the opposite of your view - and if you would have notice in such topics I am very often trying to have that approach in the topic no matter if I personally agree nor disagree with "my view" as it brings the clash, making an interested conversation.
You'd like to see the changes in interest in current times and the changes of that topic is in fact from 2000-2010 cause they produced the biggest iconic hits revelant to middle-ages, the 2020s are just trying to keep that trend living not reviving it.
I can't tell that much of fantasy productions cause I am not in that topic at all I do know Lotr and Got but I don't know anything about stuff behind the scenes, nor was a big fan of any of these titles.
| @Zettaiken That is, you literally deny even the possibility of any fluctuations in interest until it drops to zero? Sorry, but I have no desire to continue a dialogue based on such gross over-generalization and reduction to the absurd. This is not a contradiction, it is literally an argument based on reductio ad absurdum. It is as if you are trying to prove that Ancient Rome still exists, because Rome still exists, completely ignoring the change of civilizations and countries on its territory. |
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@Zettaiken That is, you literally deny even the possibility of any fluctuations in interest until it drops to zero? Sorry, but I have no desire to continue a dialogue based on such gross over-generalization and reduction to the absurd. This is not a contradiction, it is literally an argument based on reductio ad absurdum. It is as if you are trying to prove that Ancient Rome still exists, because Rome still exists, completely ignoring the change of civilizations and countries on its territory.
| @RobertBobert Yes I will continue cause such interest will never drop to zero as long as it has structured fundamentals of a style and others things, the best example of that is literally the sinusoid of architecture epochs in which the main trend were switching between Ancient times and Medieval times, and yes I am aware that sinus can have 0 value which might be the minimal possible value for this topic, but in that case the sinusoid interest wouldn't exist which is why I consider the minimal value of 1. That's not relevant analogy of Rome you've given cause it would mean that everything which has plate armours or castles already means it is a medieval setting for a movie/tv series/video games, it needs more of it, otherwise I would just say that Dark Souls and Elden Ring are the best middle-ages games. And Ancient Rome didn't fall cause Rome was captured/conquered, they survived till the end of the Medieval times. After all Byzantium is still an Eastern Roman Empire with Constantinopole as it's capital. Idk how about you I'd rather keep writing in a view which is quite different than my personal [I would have ended this 5 posts ago, but I'd rather keep going than waiting for another non-boring thread to pop up here and I am not good with creating them, otherwise I would be doing it for a long time] If people wouldn't continue having such conversation even if it's "gross", too detailed, too generelised, too beautiful, too disgusting many of nowadays toughts and ideas wouldn't have been created, there is a reason why you've pointed even the name of that view. |
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@RobertBobert
Yes I will continue cause such interest will never drop to zero as long as it has structured fundamentals of a style and others things, the best example of that is literally the sinusoid of architecture epochs in which the main trend were switching between Ancient times and Medieval times, and yes I am aware that sinus can have 0 value which might be the minimal possible value for this topic, but in that case the sinusoid interest wouldn't exist which is why I consider the minimal value of 1.
That's not relevant analogy of Rome you've given cause it would mean that everything which has plate armours or castles already means it is a medieval setting for a movie/tv series/video games, it needs more of it, otherwise I would just say that Dark Souls and Elden Ring are the best middle-ages games.
And Ancient Rome didn't fall cause Rome was captured/conquered, they survived till the end of the Medieval times. After all Byzantium is still an Eastern Roman Empire with Constantinopole as it's capital.
Idk how about you I'd rather keep writing in a view which is quite different than my personal [I would have ended this 5 posts ago, but I'd rather keep going than waiting for another non-boring thread to pop up here and I am not good with creating them, otherwise I would be doing it for a long time]
If people wouldn't continue having such conversation even if it's "gross", too detailed, too generelised, too beautiful, too disgusting many of nowadays toughts and ideas wouldn't have been created, there is a reason why you've pointed even the name of that view.
Yes I will continue cause such interest will never drop to zero as long as it has structured fundamentals of a style and others things, the best example of that is literally the sinusoid of architecture epochs in which the main trend were switching between Ancient times and Medieval times, and yes I am aware that sinus can have 0 value which might be the minimal possible value for this topic, but in that case the sinusoid interest wouldn't exist which is why I consider the minimal value of 1.
That's not relevant analogy of Rome you've given cause it would mean that everything which has plate armours or castles already means it is a medieval setting for a movie/tv series/video games, it needs more of it, otherwise I would just say that Dark Souls and Elden Ring are the best middle-ages games.
And Ancient Rome didn't fall cause Rome was captured/conquered, they survived till the end of the Medieval times. After all Byzantium is still an Eastern Roman Empire with Constantinopole as it's capital.
Idk how about you I'd rather keep writing in a view which is quite different than my personal [I would have ended this 5 posts ago, but I'd rather keep going than waiting for another non-boring thread to pop up here and I am not good with creating them, otherwise I would be doing it for a long time]
If people wouldn't continue having such conversation even if it's "gross", too detailed, too generelised, too beautiful, too disgusting many of nowadays toughts and ideas wouldn't have been created, there is a reason why you've pointed even the name of that view.
| @Zettaiken This is a good comparison because it shows how absurd it is to deny any nuances and changes, focusing only on the principle “this exists as long as anything exists” taken to the extreme. From this point of view, the Roman Empire still exists, because Rome still exists. Exists? Yes. Was Rome ever completely destroyed to nothing? No. This means, from the point of view of this logic, Ancient Rome still exists. I have just shown you the absurdity of this logic with the help of the Socratic povial method. It would also not be amiss to look at such a logical error as “overgeneralization,” when an incorrect conclusion is made due to some superficial general thesis, ignoring any nuances and differences. Did interest in the “pure” Middle Ages decline between the hits you mentioned and the 20s? Yes, objectively. Did the 20s intensify this interest? Yes, they have strengthened it. But you just rudely erase it, because in your understanding only the drop in interest to zero matters. It's as if we call healthy any person who has not yet died. |
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| Chat GPT and, unironically, Skibidi Toilet. I wouldn't consider TikTok one of 2020s things, because the app itself was created before 2020s and was already a huge and popular thing by the time 2020s started. |
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RobertBobert said: i meant that majority of them will be replace so there will still be human doctors and lawyers in the future but only few of them @deg I am afraid that if AI replaces doctors and lawyers, then tomorrow we will find ourselves in one of the classic dystopias about the dangers of high technology. generative ai will just make healthcare and law stuff super cheap to even free so that alone makes the benefits outweigh the risks of ai |
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RobertBobert said:
@deg I am afraid that if AI replaces doctors and lawyers, then tomorrow we will find ourselves in one of the classic dystopias about the dangers of high technology.
i meant that majority of them will be replace so there will still be human doctors and lawyers in the future but only few of them @deg I am afraid that if AI replaces doctors and lawyers, then tomorrow we will find ourselves in one of the classic dystopias about the dangers of high technology.
generative ai will just make healthcare and law stuff super cheap to even free so that alone makes the benefits outweigh the risks of ai
| @deg From the point of view of scientific and industrial progress, this looks logical and irreversible, yes. But such things as health or law depend too much on subjective and moral issues to trust its pure logic. Of course, it’s unlikely that it will come down to science-fiction machines deciding that the existence of “thought bags” is illogical and therefore they need to be destroyed, but I can already feel how this will quickly turn into a mechanized bureaucracy. |
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@Zettaiken This is a good comparison because it shows how absurd it is to deny any nuances and changes, focusing only on the principle “this exists as long as anything exists” taken to the extreme. From this point of view, the Roman Empire still exists, because Rome still exists. Exists? Yes. Was Rome ever completely destroyed to nothing? No. This means, from the point of view of this logic, Ancient Rome still exists. I have just shown you the absurdity of this logic with the help of the Socratic povial method.
It would also not be amiss to look at such a logical error as “overgeneralization,” when an incorrect conclusion is made due to some superficial general thesis, ignoring any nuances and differences. Did interest in the “pure” Middle Ages decline between the hits you mentioned and the 20s? Yes, objectively. Did the 20s intensify this interest? Yes, they have strengthened it. But you just rudely erase it, because in your understanding only the drop in interest to zero matters. It's as if we call healthy any person who has not yet died.
It would also not be amiss to look at such a logical error as “overgeneralization,” when an incorrect conclusion is made due to some superficial general thesis, ignoring any nuances and differences. Did interest in the “pure” Middle Ages decline between the hits you mentioned and the 20s? Yes, objectively. Did the 20s intensify this interest? Yes, they have strengthened it. But you just rudely erase it, because in your understanding only the drop in interest to zero matters. It's as if we call healthy any person who has not yet died.
| @RobertBobert Actually now as I just changed little bit my thought process we might think of how Roman Empire is still existing while no longer existing [a paradox I suppose?] which was a dream in Antiquity, which is why they were doing architecture structures or actions to make them live for hundrends and even thousands of years, collosseum, Trajan tower and other stuff a examples of that, Achilles taking a part of Trojan war is literally the case of that. They are still existing cause people still think, remember, talk and create things based on these characters, nations etc. I wish I could continue further but I no longer can create a further argument for that, I guess I am no where close to Euclid's skills to make any counters for that x( |
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@RobertBobert
Actually now as I just changed little bit my thought process we might think of how Roman Empire is still existing while no longer existing [a paradox I suppose?] which was a dream in Antiquity, which is why they were doing architecture structures or actions to make them live for hundrends and even thousands of years, collosseum, Trajan tower and other stuff a examples of that, Achilles taking a part of Trojan war is literally the case of that. They are still existing cause people still think, remember, talk and create things based on these characters, nations etc.
I wish I could continue further but I no longer can create a further argument for that, I guess I am no where close to Euclid's skills to make any counters for that x(
Actually now as I just changed little bit my thought process we might think of how Roman Empire is still existing while no longer existing [a paradox I suppose?] which was a dream in Antiquity, which is why they were doing architecture structures or actions to make them live for hundrends and even thousands of years, collosseum, Trajan tower and other stuff a examples of that, Achilles taking a part of Trojan war is literally the case of that. They are still existing cause people still think, remember, talk and create things based on these characters, nations etc.
I wish I could continue further but I no longer can create a further argument for that, I guess I am no where close to Euclid's skills to make any counters for that x(
| @Zettaiken If the medieval scholastics were still alive, they were clearly pleased with us. Spending so much time discussing methodology instead of the actual subject of the debate, lmao. |
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@Zettaiken If the medieval scholastics were still alive, they were clearly pleased with us. Spending so much time discussing methodology instead of the actual subject of the debate, lmao.
| @RobertBobert Yeah, I guess it was always the case when we were discussing a lil bit longer in any threads where the main topic like in here iconic stuff of 20s are just simply being put to the garbage can and proceeds to anything else kekw. |
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@RobertBobert
Yeah, I guess it was always the case when we were discussing a lil bit longer in any threads where the main topic like in here iconic stuff of 20s are just simply being put to the garbage can and proceeds to anything else kekw.
Yeah, I guess it was always the case when we were discussing a lil bit longer in any threads where the main topic like in here iconic stuff of 20s are just simply being put to the garbage can and proceeds to anything else kekw.
| @Zettaiken It seems that sometimes in a dispute, instead of the truth, another dispute is born. |
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| Aside from new wars and the more recent 'AI boom' becoming something that the mainstream has become aware of, nothing really has symbolized the 20s. I think the big symbols of the 20s will become more apparent after 2025, like in 2026. God I hate that the year is currently 2024 and it'll be 2030 in no time. It seems so futuristic that it doesn't feel real. If the earliest generation of MAL users aren't elderly already, then they're sure getting there. |
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| TikTok, Zoomers, and Doomers. No music stands out, but Taylor Swift is Queen Street Takeovers The Tesla Cybertruck Fatties wearing really short shorts Joe Biden wandering off into space... |
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TikTok, Zoomers, and Doomers.
No music stands out, but Taylor Swift is Queen
Street Takeovers
The Tesla Cybertruck
Fatties wearing really short shorts
Joe Biden wandering off into space...
No music stands out, but Taylor Swift is Queen
Street Takeovers
The Tesla Cybertruck
Fatties wearing really short shorts
Joe Biden wandering off into space...
| @SuperAdventure Is Taylor really at the peak of pop music in the US right now? |
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| Skibidi Toilet's going to be up there for sure, despite our chagrin to the damn thing lol |
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@SuperAdventure Is Taylor really at the peak of pop music in the US right now?
| @RobertBobert Oh yes, definitely she is #1 top of pop for sure right now. She's not just popular in America, also in Europe apparently. |
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@RobertBobert
Oh yes, definitely she is #1 top of pop for sure right now. She's not just popular in America, also in Europe apparently.
Oh yes, definitely she is #1 top of pop for sure right now. She's not just popular in America, also in Europe apparently.
| @SuperAdventure I haven't been following American pop music much for many years now. But judging by some YouTube channels, she was much more popular than I ever could have imagined. For example, I heard that she was so popular that American observers suggested that she could change the election results simply by calling for votes for one candidate or another. |
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| I can rattle off various things, but I would need to think about it for a bit to come up with a decent list. |
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| Redo of Healer is the pinnacle of 20s pop culture. |
| Pop culture is too splintered, so there aren't exactly shared experiences among the population anymore. I couldn't even point to something like The Matrix (1999), Terminator (1984) or Alien (1979) for the 2000s or 2010s. |
| Music: Peak Olivia Rodrigo, Sabrina Carpenter, Chappell Roan careers (charli xcx too, but she's had many hits in the '10s) Phonk Music, Slap House, Zaag Kicks (if you follow the hardstyle culture) Films: Encanto Barbenheimer Games: Elden Ring Wukong Others: Max Verstappen slangs like Rizz, Ohio, Gyatt, Skibidi, Fanum Tax, Mewing, etc, |
| Jujutsu Kaisen. I know it released in 2018 but it only became popular after the Anime. Also, Gojo vs Sukuna dominating the internet everywhere with so many lobotomy kaisen memes spreading around. If we talk non anime then in the 20s the game to film adaptation's reputation improved a lot. With Sonic being highly received and Mario as well/ |
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| Really surprised I didnt see Spiderverse, Wednesday or Among us on here |
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| I know this will sound very cynical, but I think this decade will be remembered for actually retracting in terms of having any meaningful cultural icons. We're almost halfway through the decade, and I don't feel like we ever stopped living in 2019. The AI revolution and the shitstorm that was the year 2020 are probably the only things the 2020s will be remembered for. We've still got the second half of this decade, though, so maybe I'll be proven wrong. |
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@SuperAdventure I haven't been following American pop music much for many years now. But judging by some YouTube channels, she was much more popular than I ever could have imagined. For example, I heard that she was so popular that American observers suggested that she could change the election results simply by calling for votes for one candidate or another.
| @RobertBobert Yes and that already happened too- she endorsed Kamala Harris . I don't follow pop music at all anymore; but she is impossible to avoid. She was dating the bearded dude in the Kansas City Chiefs, and when they went to the Super Bowl (America's biggest holiday for those who don't know) her face was fucking everywhere and everyone is sick of seeing her. And then she endorsed said candidate; then she just got mentioned as the richest wommxn musician pop star ever; on and on and on. I constantly see her heavily make-up caked face; and her performing in a bathing suit with glittery leggings on ads on any website I look at. In my list of 2020s trends she should be at the top of the list. Believe me I wish she wasn't... |
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@RobertBobert Yes and that already happened too- she endorsed Kamala Harris . I don't follow pop music at all anymore; but she is impossible to avoid. She was dating the bearded dude in the Kansas City Chiefs, and when they went to the Super Bowl (America's biggest holiday for those who don't know) her face was fucking everywhere and everyone is sick of seeing her.
And then she endorsed said candidate; then she just got mentioned as the richest wommxn musician pop star ever; on and on and on. I constantly see her heavily make-up caked face; and her performing in a bathing suit with glittery leggings on ads on any website I look at.
In my list of 2020s trends she should be at the top of the list. Believe me I wish she wasn't...
And then she endorsed said candidate; then she just got mentioned as the richest wommxn musician pop star ever; on and on and on. I constantly see her heavily make-up caked face; and her performing in a bathing suit with glittery leggings on ads on any website I look at.
In my list of 2020s trends she should be at the top of the list. Believe me I wish she wasn't...
| @SuperAdventure So, is she some kind of mix between Elvis and Madonna for modern USA? |
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| well 2024 gave us brat by charli xcx so yes |
| I think everyone has its own niche even more so than previous decades, so it's getting harder to get iconic pop culture. Maybe Frieren when it comes to anime, however it's too early to say if it will actually remain in history. |
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