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Sep 11, 2023 10:57 AM
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Adorelis
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I saw several comments arguing about how is the spectre of death (the ghost that took Yayoi's Mom) more powerful than a "literal God".

Sadly the translation doesn't clarify on this (a sad reminder of the better days of fansubs) but the term [KAMI] in shinto can have multiple meanings for the westerns.

It can refer to a strong spirit, a God (the one God), a manifestation of nature, etc...

Since Yayoi mentions that this kami has only 500 years old, I'm more inclined to say that this guy is just a strong spirit. Now, it is more powerful that the spectre? well, Yayoi wants to catch him to fight it so there should be some power gap. We shall see.
AdorelisSep 11, 2023 11:03 AM
Sep 11, 2023 11:20 AM
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I remember "Kami" also means paper. Like "ori" (fold), "kami" (paper)
Sep 11, 2023 11:21 AM
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ktg
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It can also mean hair or paper.
Sep 11, 2023 11:21 AM
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Zunio
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kami means also paper and hair
Sep 11, 2023 11:49 AM
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Reversign said:
I remember "Kami" also means paper. Like "ori" (fold), "kami" (paper)

Do you mean Like Origami?
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Sep 11, 2023 11:50 AM
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If you want a good equivalent from the western canon, kami is very close in meaning to the ancient greek word δαίμων (daemon/demon). In modern languages it usually means "evil spirit" but its meaning used to be broader, encompassing pretty much everything supernatural.
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Sep 11, 2023 12:54 PM
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entert said:
Reversign said:
I remember "Kami" also means paper. Like "ori" (fold), "kami" (paper)

Do you mean Like Origami?
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Yup. A translation would be origami but the original spelling is orikami
Sep 11, 2023 3:11 PM
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Zunio said:
kami means also paper and hair

Yeah but those are different kanji so they aren't really relevant, all the ones mentioned in ops post use 神
Sep 11, 2023 3:15 PM
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Reversign said:
entert said:

Do you mean Like Origami?
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Yup. A translation would be origami but the original spelling is orikami

Pretty sure it becomes origami because when you attach multiple nouns/verbs together into one noun it hardens the consonant of the first sound of the second and subsequent words. For example, alarm clock takes eyes (me), the verb for opening your eyes (samashi) and clock (tokei) and puts them together, creating mezamashidokei. So in this context putting ori next to kami creates origami cause ga is the hard form of ka.
Sep 11, 2023 9:24 PM
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I have watched both Official and Fans Sub ( MTBB )
some are better in official and some are better in MTBB
Sep 11, 2023 10:02 PM
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Reply to Theo1899
If you want a good equivalent from the western canon, kami is very close in meaning to the ancient greek word δαίμων (daemon/demon). In modern languages it usually means "evil spirit" but its meaning used to be broader, encompassing pretty much everything supernatural.
@Theo1899

Good explanation.

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Sep 12, 2023 12:32 AM
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the translator who's working on this anime ( Katarina ) is a POS infamous and incompetent translator, i can even link a Twitter account that exposes her awful translation, like literally mistranslating the days of the week on the river episode for example


also i like how she changed a " Lolicon god " to " a god with a problematic age gap " XD wtf
Sep 12, 2023 6:25 AM
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Reply to Saimatsu_Fan
the translator who's working on this anime ( Katarina ) is a POS infamous and incompetent translator, i can even link a Twitter account that exposes her awful translation, like literally mistranslating the days of the week on the river episode for example


also i like how she changed a " Lolicon god " to " a god with a problematic age gap " XD wtf
@Saimatsu_Fan yeah how anyone still hires that clown is beyond me. But it's HiDive and unfortunately shitty translations/localizations seems to be the norm with them
Sep 12, 2023 12:45 PM
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Reversign said:
I remember "Kami" also means paper. Like "ori" (fold), "kami" (paper)

Yeah. That is why in the game Splatoon, they refer to the device that delivers the splatfest theme the Kami no Kami “god paper”.
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