XiaXueYi said: Meusnier said: Looking at all your posts’ content I would say I have better time spent with the average poster than a 100% certified troll lmao, but whatever floats your ふね broI would gladly explain if I were not certain that it would fly way over your head. Look at your behaviour, quoting everyone in the thread in a laughable attempt to spread your V-religion, you are closer to a fanatic than you think. Those so-called "normies" are right though for most anime fans (a shortened form of "fanatic" FYI) are true to the cliché: dirty, loud, stupid, and crassly ignorant about everything including their own medium of predilection. In a word, people like you. Pitiful wall of projection. Who are you? I am not your "bro," dude. You know two pedophiles who masturbate on quantum mechanics (or gender theory...) during the day? And I should care about it because?... Anecdotes are worthless. How much time did it take you to write this post? Probably not more than 10 seconds, and what have you brought besides your Memenglish? Nothing of value in this post, just childish insults that are perhaps good for your Twitter buddies, but will just make you appear for who are you: a twittidiot who cannot argue about anything... Anyone who disagrees with you is a troll. More projection from yours, for all your replies have been devoid of all substance, now you even add random Japanese words that make you look even more stupid. Now please go back listening to ear-piercing music and fake personas. |
Meusnier said: Nope, I explicitly stated you lmao, trying to pretend to be a uppity bourgeois having better taste than everyone. Anyone who reads your posts knows they are of little substance. If you prefer to behave like a 5 year old behind the screen, continue to be my guest, because I treat children differently from equals. I've been using the internet since Altavista used to be the main search engine before Google, seeing kids trying to troll people pretending to be cool is not new to me.XiaXueYi said: Looking at all your posts’ content I would say I have better time spent with the average poster than a 100% certified troll lmao, but whatever floats your ふね bro Anyone who disagrees with you is a troll. More projection from yours, for all your replies have been devoid of all substance, now you even add random Japanese words that make you look even more stupid. Now please go back listening to ear-piercing music and fake personas. As a vtuber fan I engaged most of the posters here in good faith, but you, naaah, bad faith begets bad faith. Please contine consuming that copium because the last time I checked, Hololive had some of the highest subscriber counts, one of their vtubers received one of the highest honours (and being the 1st vtuber to do so) to get on THE FIRST TAKE 2 times to sing, and their composers had overlap with indies and Vocaloid composers. If you are telling me you, a random nobody on the internet has better musical taste compared to THE FIRST TAKE then sureeee whatever helps you sleep at night. Also where people see cringe, we see endless potential, especially from passionate fan works like these: Myth's Bad Ending | Hololive fan-animation - YouTube |
XiaXueYiMay 22, 2023 8:27 PM
XiaXueYi said: Meusnier said: Nope, I explicitly stated you lmao, trying to pretend to be a uppity bourgeois having better taste than everyone. Anyone who reads your posts knows they are of little substance. If you prefer to behave like a 5 year old behind the screen, continue to be my guest, because I treat children differently from equals. I've been using the internet since Altavista used to be the main search engine before Google, seeing kids trying to troll people pretending to be cool is not new to me.Anyone who disagrees with you is a troll. More projection from yours, for all your replies have been devoid of all substance, now you even add random Japanese words that make you look even more stupid. Now please go back listening to ear-piercing music and fake personas. As a vtuber fan I engaged most of the posters here in good faith, but you, naaah, bad faith begets bad faith. Please contine consuming that copium because the last time I checked, Hololive had some of the highest subscriber counts, one of their vtubers received one of the highest honours (and being the 1st vtuber to do so) to get on THE FIRST TAKE 2 times to sing, and their composers had overlap with indies and Vocaloid composers. If you are telling me you, a random nobody on the internet has better musical taste compared to THE FIRST TAKE then sureeee whatever helps you sleep at night. Also where people see cringe, we see endless potential, especially from passionate fan works like these: Myth's Bad Ending | Hololive fan-animation - YouTube More projections, and mere assumptions, for you have no ways to know whether I am of good faith or not (there is one way though, but it requires more brain cells than you clearly possess)—honestly, is it that surprising to see people who despise V-tubers?... Accusations of being bourgeois are especially stupid considering that you revel in bourgeois entertainment and defend a petit bourgeois morality of democratic taste. I guess that you have spent too much time on the internet. Who cares? If what you like is popular, it does not make it good. The general public has almost invariably bad taste, and hates anything that stands out. See, if you had any idea of the critique of taste (I assume that reading Kant is above your intellectual capacities), your only talking point would not be a vulgar argumentum ad populum. |
| I never saw the appeal on Vtubers. When they first started to become popular, I was baffled on why people like it so much. The forced movements and the high-pitchy voices are so cringe to me. If people like them, then ok, that's your thing. It's just not my cup of tea. |
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| I like them a lil bit but their fandom is an abyss level of community |
XiaXueYi said: why tf you checking this threat daily interrogating people on their opinions?I’ve been seeing this mentioned consistently, where and why |
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XiaXueYi said: -Hermit- said: The communities of weebs in general are deemed as “weird and gross” and you’re posting as and in one of them now lmao. Never understood why mainstream weebs think they have any moral high ground vs vtuber weebs :v reminds me too much of LG folks thinking BTQ+ folks are weird when they’re one half of LGBTQ, now they are cringe both to normies and to their own allies.The ones that are just acting how they would act if they weren't using an avatar I am mostly okay with..........it's the really popular ones I dislike. The ones playing a character like the Vshojo lot, Hololive etc, or indie Vtubers like Shylily. These Vtubers are unbearable. They have the behaviour of a child, the emotional well being of a child and they even talk childish. I find it disturbing that any adult can find entertainment in this. It's even more disturbing that all of these types of Vtubers merch and art seems to center around lewdness. These types of Vtubers just come across as pedo bait. The communities of these types of vtubers are weird, gross and come across so socially abnormal that you end up wanting absolutely nothing to do with them. I quickly got out as soon as I saw how weird it all was. If you stick around and find yourself comfortable constantly surrounding yourself with these things, then something is very off with you. If anything other than the actual weirdos that flout youtube community standards or get thrown out of their company because they did stuff like doxxing or flouting company rules, the personalities the average vtuber portrays, real or otherwise is easier to get along with. What makes you think I'm a "weeb" ? Because I like anime and post in an anime forum? Also, what the hell is a mainstream weeb? are you trying to invent weeb wars now? A lot of Vtubers and their communities (especially the more popular ones) are weird and gross, same goes for a lot of the anime community, happy now? |
| much better than the rantsona phase of youtube |
| cringe asf, at some point i did like them but i dont really care about them anymore. the character designs are nice but that's just about. in general i dont even like watching livestreams |
   ♥️ 𝓐𝓷𝓲𝓶𝓮 𝓵𝓲𝓼𝓽 ♥️ “𝓣𝓱𝓮 𝓵𝓸𝓿𝓮𝓵𝔂 𝓪𝓷𝓰𝓮𝓵 𝓸𝓯 𝓻𝓸𝓶𝓪𝓷𝓬𝓮, 𝓣𝓪𝓲𝓰𝓪, 𝔀𝓲𝓵𝓵 𝓵𝓮𝓷𝓭 𝔂𝓸𝓾 𝓱𝓮𝓻 𝓪𝓲𝓭.” – 𝓣𝓪𝓲𝓰𝓪 𝓐𝓲𝓼𝓪𝓴𝓪 |
XiaXueYi said: (Sorry for the late reply, I was moving countries lol.)Bananaloid said: Seeing as Kiryu Coco touched a raw nerve during the taiwan incident im pretty sure the managers in Hololive are trying to prevent a similar fallout from happening. Besides she gets a lot of creative freedom otherwise.I really, really don't like them. Some designs are beautiful though! But the community is what drives me away faster than a rich bitch with her new Porche. Can't avoid it, even if you just want to sit and watch, because the comment section will always be there, the chat will always be there, etc. I've never liked the way they moved around (torso moving with the head, torso only moving side to side and never forward or backward properly, etc), the voices are too high pitched and seem to just draw in men looking for waifu material, I just...I just can't. Plus, from what I hear, the companies are no better than, like, the k-pop or j-pop industry to some degree. One time, I remember Gura was talking about something or other, and she got a message from Hololive themselves saying something along the lines of "Stop talking about what you're talking about", and she had said to the chat that Hololive was telling her to stop talking about the current topic. Like god damn, it's her stream, she should be able to talk about whatever she wants. If she wants to talk about how she sprained her ankle, she's allowed to talk about that. But no, she can never be hurt, she can never be sad, she can't be...anything. She just has to be Gura. No pain, no nothing. Just a perfect shark anime girl. I feel awful. Like, I'm sure they're great people! From what clips I've seen, they don't seem to be bad by any means, but Christ. So to me, it just seems like...it's all artificial. There's no realism. It's why I like Vinny and Joel and the Vinesauce people. It's why I like RT, CallMeKeven, etc. They're able to be more real on stream (I know that people have a persona online compared to real life as well, I get it, but...more real compared to being hovered over by a multi-million dollar company, ya know?), and I appreciate that. Did she really? That's...eugh. Yeah, I suppose I get it then, but still. It just kinda sucks at the same time, ya know? I'm happy that they seem to have a lot more freedom than what I had thought, but some of it does still seem to rub me a little wrong nonetheless. Thanks for explaining why they might be watched over more, though! I appreciate it! |
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| I'm still trying to figure out myself... To keep it short, I just realize nothing I do will actually lead to me getting to know that vtuber personally. So I just cut my losses. I'm an idiot, for some reason my brain fires crushes at random people on the internet like a machinegun in an american school sh- popcorn machine, so going ahead and watching any female/feminine streamer would just mean I'd be harming myself. Yeah, watching any vtubers but the dudes gives me depression :) Hail tfmjonny |
| Don't open your arms if you aren't prepared for a hug. |
| I watch a few, same appeal to me as any other streamers |
| My opion on vtuber is the same as my opinion about anything. Depends. Some of the vtuber is entertaining enough for an entertainer. Some literally leeching their fans by establishing parasocial relationship with them. |
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| I really like a few Kronii, Veibae, Sinder, Silvervale, Hannah Hyrule, and Mori I don't really watch many others other than those six. I can understand why people wouldn't like them but to me its just like watching any other youtubers. It's essentially the same thing with just a 2d anime girl model instead of a facecam |
死人に口なし |
| I think they are wonderful (a vtuber fan) |
| I don't really care about them these days. I remember being a fan of a few vtubers back when vtubers started becoming a thing outside of Japan. This was when most were just socially awkward weebs with extremely shitty vtuber models and broken mics. The content was undeniably cringe, but it was genuine and there was a certain charm to it. I also used to watch a few popular vtubers but after a while their content became boring and annoying to me. In my opinion 90% of modern vtubers fall into the next categories: 1. The "normie" vtuber: content creators that hide behind a pretty vtuber model to appeal to weebs and zoomers. They're literally just normal streamers and youtubers with anime avatars, that's it. 2. The "professional" vtuber: vtubers that work for companies and agencies. Their content often feels fake, scripted, corporate and soulless to me. Some of them have entire lores behind their personas, which I don't really get. They also have some of the dumbest drama and most psychotic fanbases you will ever see. 3. The "copycat" vtuber: possibly the most common vtuber of them all. They observe the behavior of the most popular and iconic vtubers and shamelessly attempt to mimic it. They don't even try to be discreet about it. They will copy all behavioral patterns from the random screaming, to the fake high pitched voices, to the "drunk" mumble talking, to the lmao so random XD dinosaur noises, etc. If youtube ever recommends a random clip of a vtuber you've never heard about, and something about them feels oddly familiar, it's probably because they fall into this specific category. |
| So I tried out a VTuber and half the screen of the game was taken over. lol imagine only having half of a screen to watch. |
Mao said: If you have to shit, shit! If you have to fart, fart!  |
| I don't watch them but I really like some of those Hololive songs. |
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| Don't know any except Ouro Kronii because of her famous Ara Ara video. |
| In 2024 my general opinion is that most vtubers are just egirls catered to thirsty weebs and kids. I do not watch the content for 2 main reasons. 1. Most vtubers are insanely boring to watch. They usually fall into the trope of repeating the same joke a million times, or just not say much at all. 2. Donation wall and comment flood. The chat is moving so fast it defeats the point leaving a comment. I never donate to anyone so ultimately I avoid such content creators. I remember I felt that way toward the end of the etika era, but that devolved into a different bag of worms. A lot of it is egirl content with the weird parasocial relationship stuff like Rushia. The best thing that came there was the funny song remix from the fans finding out they got ntred in some call. A lot of these vtubers are millionaires so the idea of simping and donating to them seems alien to me. |
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| Honestly I'm not very into them. The only one I ever took a passing interest in is Kizuna AI. She actually had a game on Switch which was super awesome! 😁 |
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| Fairly new to vtubers I could never get into them before Can't imagine engaging with a hugely popular vtuber cuz I kinda like to interact And recently I discovered myself one vtuber that isn't as big and they reply to my chats and I like that, keeps me engaged |
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| Love them. They can be funny and interesting, especially big indie ones like Bao, Sinder, and Numi. Corp ones can be good like the ones in Vshojo or pitiful because of the company, like Nijisanji |
死人に口なし |
| i don't have strong opinion on them and they aren't my main demographic but i sometimes boot up ironmouse streams once in a while for a change of pace |
| They look like normal YouTubers except for the fact that they have a little anime girl or other animal on the screen, I don't understand the excessive hate against them. |
| I like them. Especially their gaming vods because pure gameplay without player input is something I only use for game research. It lacks impact. If I want to enjoy an experience of the game, I want to watch someone play it while they use an avatar. |
| MY NAME IS POTATO. NICE TO MEET YOU. |
| I really only like Mori Calliope, and that's mostly because of her music. |
| I can "make myself happy" viewing anime characters. But in the case of vtubers, they don't get me in the mood. Which is weird considering how overly sexual some vtuber models are. |
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| They're fun and relaxing to watch. Not really that much different from watching anime The vtuber drama though.... horrendous. |
| What is your definition of a vtuber? I would like to know. |
| Here is my Pixiv account of my hentai drawings..... https://www.pixiv.net/en/users/104739065 Here is my blog.... https://theendofindustrialcivilization.blogspot.com/?m=1 |
| I'm starting to realize that any big VTuber almost always tend to be in the spotlight but for incredibly wrong reasons, especially when they start to act like internet snobs behind their excitable nature. The only exceptions would be Ironmouse and other VTubers that have exposed VShojo and their scandal from the charity event. VShojo are the worst of the worst so it's not surprising. Back on topic though, there's two VTubers that used to be enjoyable, but have since grown to become rather awful over time. TechyCutie is one example who used to be a pretty fun person on Twitch, with a sense of humor too. And I can get her love for the Sonic franchise and games alike, but what I don't get is her odd behavior. Namely because she's too popular for her own good and doesn't really treat her community well (and even if she did, then it's her trying to conceal her true nature). She treats her friends as her fans, which comes off as questionable at best. She also comes off as entitled, at least on her Discord server, meaning she'll ban folks over incredibly trivial reasons with the help of trigger happy moderators on the server. It also doesn't help that you're unable to file an appeal, even if you were in good graces. In the eyes of TechyCutie, you're considered expendable. Hence why she's a popular VTuber on Twitch, but it's not for any good reason. And TechyCutie treats her "friends" as fans, which further shows her not-so-bright personality, especially by enacting a ban on folks by moderators on a power trip over "parasocial tendencies", which sounds blatantly childish of her, really. I seriously doubt anyone is asking for personal information, but it really shows that Techy's lack of maturity was starting to show. And in the eyes of Techy, you're considered an outcast no matter how long you've been in her Discord server. Overall, TechyCutie used to be bright, funny and enjoyable, but now she's considered rather self-centered and rather narcissistic at best, as well as being immature. Then there's also Kamila Bombette, who previously voiced Poppi from In Heat: Lustful Nights (a game that's NSFW) and... yeah, as I mentioned before, she's considered too popular for her own good and while she is also an IRL person, she's also mainly a VTuber as well, but that's pretty much besides the point. That being said, however, she tends to act a bit high and mighty and rather self-entitled at best, if not self-absorbed. And her Discord community is sadly not any better, which is rather ironic, considering that it's an 18+ server yet you're limited on what you can and can't say on the server without the risk of being banned for petty reasons. Also, just a personal opinion, but she can be very pretentious at times as well so that's pretty much the gist of it. As the old saying goes, never meet your heroes (at least in the case of big VTubers that start off nice and kind until their true colors are revealed). |
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