Quanzhi Gaoshou 2 Episode 3 Discussion

ForgedAtlas said:
I know people love this show for the esports realism aspect but the characters and plot are bare...

It like he's playing on easy mode and everyone else is on hardcore and has never played the game before, pretty boring. But the animations improve since the first series.

JimmyThreeHorns said:
Well, that's pretty easily justified considering he's a former pro player up against mostly average players so far. Also, since he's playing on the new server, a lot of the people he's come across literally haven't played the game before. And the few times he's played against pro players, they've stated that the gimmick of the unspecialized class gives him a huge advantage in level 50 and under environments.

The story definitely took a hit with being transformed into 12 episode seasons since the first 6 months in-universe is just him meeting people and getting his character ready. I think it would've been more forgiving as the first 15ish episodes of a continuously running show instead of being set off as a season of its own. The show is certainly an acquired taste, but the OVA is a pretty good indicator of what's to come. If you liked it, you'll probably like where this is going, but if you didn't and you aren't enjoying the story now, well, the first episode of season 1 started with him having to retire from playing professionally for a year (for context, S2E3 is about 2 months in), so I wouldn't expect much change too soon, lol.

ForgedAtlas said:


I understand he's a pro player but everytime he fights a guild (or multiple guilds at the same time) aren't there some pro players, some even come from other servers.

I just wish he had more to him then 'high APM & he played 10 years so he know everything.' Man just needs to struggle to add some tension. The only characters that save it are Bao Rongxing & Huang Shaotian and Chen Guo is okay.

But considering the games out for 10 year no one else seems to utilise any kind of technique, abilities, unique weapons or use there class advantages. And if an unspecialized class gives him a huge advantage in level 50, other people would definitely play it, maybe just not the pros...a bit of a rant but the shows focus is meant to be about 'good team work and coming together to win' but he just does everything himself. Literally shown in this episode where he controls two character, rather than relying on her to do it herself.


Also he was forced to 'retired' because he was old and not marketable, yet still has the highest APM and every player idolizes him...so that makes no sense to me. If he had shit APM and just used his wits to win this would be well more interesting.

ForgedAtlas said:


I understand he's a pro player but everytime he fights a guild (or multiple guilds at the same time) aren't there some pro players, some even come from other servers.

I just wish he had more to him then 'high APM & he played 10 years so he know everything.' Man just needs to struggle to add some tension. The only characters that save it are Bao Rongxing & Huang Shaotian and Chen Guo is okay.

But considering the games out for 10 year no one else seems to utilise any kind of technique, abilities, unique weapons or use there class advantages. And if an unspecialized class gives him a huge advantage in level 50, other people would definitely play it, maybe just not the pros...a bit of a rant but the shows focus is meant to be about 'good team work and coming together to win' but he just does everything himself. Literally shown in this episode where he controls two character, rather than relying on her to do it herself.


Also he was forced to 'retired' because he was old and not marketable, yet still has the highest APM and every player idolizes him...so that makes no sense to me. If he had shit APM and just used his wits to win this would be well more interesting.

ForgedAtlas said:


Ahh Okay I can understand the pro situation a bit better now.
So he should actually find other players a challenge now?.

Still the "2 characters being in sync" in sync with himself, that's not teamwork. He always takes all the aggro, does all the damage, with no indication he ever takes any damage or uses any mana and his team just usually just stand there or kills some small fries. But if there just noobs that kinda understandable.

Also why couldn't Tang Rou make her own umbrella or why doesn't anyone else know about it?
Hopefully he start fighting more interesting people, with unique weapon/skills.

I feel is just misses a lot depth
or doesn't really explain in the animation at least, but I'll keep watching.

eashr37 said:
The closed captions just go by too fast. Is this a problem for anybody else?

JimmyThreeHorns said:
Yeah, I've noticed that in quite a few shows. Chinese is just a faster language. It usually helps to play the episode in .75 speed if that's available.

PinkRoseGirl said:
Thank you!! I really needed that too haha. But is Chinese just fast? Or is the language just able to say more with lesser words than in English? I thought the latter was the case but idk

eashr37 said:
The closed captions just go by too fast. Is this a problem for anybody else?

eashr37 said:
The closed captions just go by too fast. Is this a problem for anybody else?

Planas said:
Just to summarize the skill gap in Starcraft* 2, the gap between bronze(the lowest rank / a person who just installed the game) and GM(grand master, highest rank where only the top 1% can get), is lower than a GM to a pro player. The number one GM(assuming it's not a pro player) is like 10% as good as a pro player. Who said this was a former SC2 pro player.
*Starcraft 1 and 2 are considered to be the most skill intensive games ever made and the game that made the term APM mean something that resemble skill in video games.

From your comment I can see that you have no idea how mmorpg or competitive games in general works on a higher lvl of skill or even in a professional level. No mmorpg requires insane amount of Actions Per Minute(APM), the show uses it like a buzzword just to make one character more skillful than other, the only real game genre where apm really matters is RTS(starcraft 2/ age of empires) and even players with a lower AVERAGE apm(250) can beat players with higher AVERAGE apm(400), one player just has less actions to make, like there is a cap to actions that you can take that is actually meaningful, the average player do about 40-100 average apm.
Mmos and glory is no different, most skills have cooldowns and in most mmorpg they even have something called GCD(Global cooldown) most skills once pressed triggers a GCD that usually last for 0,5 to 1 sec so you can't spam actions, I guess you get where I'm getting at... Apm is just a metric the show uses to show skill, for most people and some gamers that seems impressive but for "real" gamers, apm doesn't mean anything specially in a MMORPG(World of Warcraft / GLORY) or in a FPS(Counter Strike) or even in MOBA(Legue of Legends/Dota 2), basically it's how Ki is used in fighting anime to represent fighting power, it's cool and all but it doesn't mean jack shit to a fighter.

In summary the only thing that is unrealistic in the anime is the gear/lvl gap, kinda, like I don't know how everything in glory works, the game mechanics and etc, but I can make an assessment based on World of Warcraft, you have instance of max level naked(No gear, only daggers) rogues 1v3 max lvl geared people,so yeah it's possible, would it happen in Glory, probably not, specially in the celestial realm and those 1v1 challenges, unless he was also fighting against lvl50. In the server 10 he was the highest lvl and probably the best geared person on that server, if that is the case he is a literal god in that place. But he would be crushed by a lvl 70(max level of glory so far) full geared above average player in a 1v1 and this is a fact no amount of skill can cover the gear/level gap, unless his umbrella does the job.
Here is where we get to the only major flaw of the show, If that weapon has been in the game for 10 years someone else would've built it already, even him could've built it already in another account, yeah I know it will get explained why he didn't do it before but even then I call BS. His build(class + gear) wouldn't be a secret at all, the community would have analyzed the hell out of it, extracted every single number out of the game, data-mined, ran simulations, make bots, and someone, somewhere would've the knowledge about the class/weapon combo, so yeah the great mysterious weapon that Ye Xiu is building probably already exists somewhere else, there would be other "classless" players maybe not at a pro level, but there would be theory-craft behind it and numbers crunched to how to optimize every single build in the game and people trying to make it work. If you are interested I can walk you through half a dozen specialized websites about WoW that do number crunch and I bet almost all mmos that have a competitive scene will have something like that.

Like trust me the average gamer, the average player, the casual gamer, is so bad that you could get 100 people and they wouldn't defeat a 1% player and I wish I was exaggerating because some times I get to play with these players and I have but to wonder if they even read their skills.

After saying all that, The King Avatar is truly a tribute to gamers in all genres, it's so far the best anime that embodies high level and pro gaming and it's a good one at it.

AntiQuarian88 said:


Are you by any chance a novel reader of the franchise? Because you might miss some info regarding some of King's Avatar worldbuilding, specifically regarding the info about Silver Equipments which includes the umbrella that the MC use and the relevance of APM in the world of Glory. Also I didn't expect to see the anime/donghua to be dubbed in Portuguese of all language, but it's good to see this gem of a franchise becoming more known to people outside of the Sinosphere especially in the West.

Btw I'm making this account specifically to answer your comment because I'm austistic lol.

Planas said:

No I didn't read the Novel, I treat Silver equipment as the equivalent of Legendaries in Classic WoW, hard to get and requires some guild effort, I know I'm making it way simpler but it can't be way harder than that to acquire the items or else no one would have it, after all, it's all based on luck and even the lowest of chances will happen over time, unless the game generated only a single copy of the item, then we have another issue altogether and I'm not delving at that now, maybe another time.

About the APM, everything I wrote it based mostly in my experience in games over 20 years and doing some pretty hardcore stuff once and a while, trust me I'm not even close to the top 10%, some games I may be close to 30/20% in skill level, what I'm trying to say is, I would have to check it out to see if it makes any sense at all, but from what I have seen it doesn't make any sense in how things operate in the real world APM being such a high metric. Me personally I don't mind it, the author has to make it entertaining and easy to explain why A is better than B, that doesn't take an essay from a nerd to explain what makes someone better at video games. like it wouldn't be fun showing Ye Xiu pressing 2 after every second because that is his main key. I was just trying to explain to the other friend up there what exactly apm is supposed to mean in the context of the show, just a metric of "skill" in the game, at least that's how I see it in this case.

I made a mistake it's not dub it's subtitled, sorry about the error there, been woke for too long, I may have fried my brain writing these posts. but yeah I watched TKA first season when it released and have been on my watchlist ever since, even watched the live action, all fansubs tho, don't think it's released in any "official" source over here in SA.

I feel honored that you created an account just to reply to me, I put a lot of effort in writing these texts, my writing skills are pretttyyyyyyyy badddddd

JimmyThreeHorns said:
Yeah, it's what you said; you're right. I just called it fast because it was the simplest way to convey it I could think of. From my very limited understanding of the language, there are lots of very short words, but based on your tone and context, it could mean any number of things whereas English uses more/longer words so you can basically tell what somebody means even if they have a thick accent or if their grammar isn't the best.

eashr37 said:
The closed captions just go by too fast. Is this a problem for anybody else?

Planas said:

I made a mistake it's not dub it's subtitled, sorry about the error there, been woke for too long, I may have fried my brain writing these posts. but yeah I watched TKA first season when it released and have been on my watchlist ever since, even watched the live action, all fansubs tho, don't think it's released in any "official" source over here in SA.