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| Poor Lief. He has worked hard for the last 11 years and, by chance, he was finally reunited with Thorfinn, but it wasn't a happy reunion, sadly. Lief begged Thorfinn to go back with him and see his mother and sister, but his words fell on deaf ears as Thorfinn vocally expressed his obsession of wanting to kill Askeladd. It was a powerful scene overall and further shows just how Thorfinn is consumed by hatred and his unhealthy obsession with revenge. As for Askeladd, his plans have been set into motion and so far, it's all gone his way. He used a doppelganger to trick the citizens of York that Canute got killed, which has spread rumours throughout the community. Even Sweyn noticed this, too. The other powerful scene of the episode was between Askeladd and Bjorn. I wasn't expecting the two of them to have a duel, especially when I thought Askeladd was preparing to give Thorfinn another duel. The duel was short and Bjorn was killed by Askeladd's sword. The whole direction of this scene, from the music, visuals and voice acting, was top notch. Honestly, this episode was fantastic overall. With the way it ended, I have no idea who'll come out on top between Askeladd and Thorfinn. The next episode is going to be pretty powerful... |
| This episode is perfection. |
Elefantsau said: A little addition to number one, I think he feels guilty and responsible for his father's death, and he blames himself for that. If it weren't for him, his father would have been alive after the voyage.OoDeceivedoO said: Erm guys i have 2 qns, 1) Why Thorfinn did not want to return home or at least let the rest of his family know that he is alive? 2) Why did Bjorn duel with Askeladd? Thank you! 1) He puts everyone else aside for his goal(revenge). He is literally blinded by it. He thinks that he can just go back home when his job is done, or he dies trying. Which is why he challenged Askellad right after, despite his own injuries. The duel is probably meant to be final for him either way. 2) Because Bjorn was going to die due his injuries. But to get to Valhalla, a warrior has to die in battle. Not in the bed. He sneaked into the ship without his father and crew knowing, only to later became liability to Thors and taken hostage, which ultimately costed Thors his life in exchange for Thorfinn. So he thinks he has to exact his revenge on Askeladd first before he can face his mother and sister again to "make up" for his mistake, which is questionable. |
I just realized that all of my favorite characters, beside being stunningly beautiful, also happen to be exceptionally skilled murder machines. \('-')/ I'm level  on mal-badges. View my badges. |
MonkeyDHunter said: Why did they mention Helga's whereabouts but cut out the fact that Ylva is now a mother with both boys and girls? Maybe for the bigger surprise when we finally see her again? |
| Manga recommendation: - Spy x Family (Ch.99/? - biweekly) | Sakamoto Days (Ch.169/? - weekly) - MARRIAGETOXIN (Ch.89/? - weekly) - Make the Exorcist Fall in Love (Ch.66/? - biweekly) - You and I Are Polar Opposites (Ch.55/? - biweekly) Anime recommendation: - Deca-Dence (Finished) | Wave, Listen to Me! (Finished) - If My Favorite Pop Idol Made It to the Budokan, I Would Die (Finished) - Diary of Our Days at the Breakwater (Finished) |
electromagneto said: Elefantsau said: A little addition to number one, I think he feels guilty and responsible for his father's death, and he blames himself for that. If it weren't for him, his father would have been alive after the voyage.1) He puts everyone else aside for his goal(revenge). He is literally blinded by it. He thinks that he can just go back home when his job is done, or he dies trying. Which is why he challenged Askellad right after, despite his own injuries. The duel is probably meant to be final for him either way. 2) Because Bjorn was going to die due his injuries. But to get to Valhalla, a warrior has to die in battle. Not in the bed. He sneaked into the ship without his father and crew knowing, only to later became liability to Thors and taken hostage, which ultimately costed Thors his life in exchange for Thorfinn. So he thinks he has to exact his revenge on Askeladd first before he can face his mother and sister again to "make up" for his mistake, which is questionable. for clarification, Thors from the get-go* was planning to sacrifice himself. If not Askeladd intervention Thors would went to war by himself and get killed on battlefield. *finally after so many years I learned how to write this word. :D |
Nieznajomy43Dec 9, 2019 7:37 AM
| Manga recommendation: - Spy x Family (Ch.99/? - biweekly) | Sakamoto Days (Ch.169/? - weekly) - MARRIAGETOXIN (Ch.89/? - weekly) - Make the Exorcist Fall in Love (Ch.66/? - biweekly) - You and I Are Polar Opposites (Ch.55/? - biweekly) Anime recommendation: - Deca-Dence (Finished) | Wave, Listen to Me! (Finished) - If My Favorite Pop Idol Made It to the Budokan, I Would Die (Finished) - Diary of Our Days at the Breakwater (Finished) |
| Amazing episode. I was surprised by that assassination attempt. I thought Askeladd had executed the plan without Canute's knowledge. It was sad that the slave who took Canute's place died. No wonder Canute told Askeladd never to use another double, since letting the slave die is against his ideal to build a paradise on earth. But Gunnar that damned traitor. Ragnar was so loyal and was basically Canute's father figure, and Gunnar is betraying him. But Askeladd is playing him like a fiddle. After 11 years, Leif has finally found Thorfinn. Honestly I didn't like how Thorfinn didn't even ask about his mother and sister. It's like only Thors (his father) mattered, and the rest of his family doesn't matter at all, especially hearing that his mother is ill. It was heartbreaking to see Leif finally finding Thorfinn after all these years and seeing him change into such a battle-hardened and vengeful individual. I wonder what he meant, whether he's going to wait in York all the way until this series ends and Thorfinn goes to (presumably) Vinland. I hope his mother will still be alive by then. That last battle was the best and saddest scene in this episode in my opinion. I didn't much like Bjorn, or more accurately I was apathetic to him. But it was sad to see that he knew that Askeladd hated them all all along, and yet he kept fighting for Askeladd even when everyone else turned their backs on him. I was initially already angry at Askeladd that he didn't say anything when Bjorn said he wanted to be his friend. But when, as Bjorn lay dying, he said, "Bjor, you're my only friend." Damn. That was a very sad moment and happy at the same time because Askeladd found it in himself to consider a Dane a friend. And it's well-deserved. Askeladd killed him according to Bjorn's wishes. Bjorn, as a Viking, wouldn't want to die off the battlefield. It was the greatest act that Askeladd could've done to fulfill Bjorn's wishes. Awesome episode. 5/5. Looking forward to the next episode. |
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| This episode had the most heartbreaking partings and the reunion. RIP Bjorn and the body double. |
When someone asks me why I like anime, I'd say Just Because. |
MonkeyDHunter said: Why did they mention Helga's whereabouts but cut out the fact that Ylva is now a mother with both boys and girls? Also, it seems they cannot show nipples in the show either since in the manga the woman who impersonated Canute had her chest full shown too. Putting aside these complaints, it was a fantastic episode with Bjorn having a sad yet amazing sendoff and Askeladd also admiting he considered to be his only one true friend in the world. Changing the order of events didn't really have any effect to the whole thing. It's still as amazing as it was in the manga. Yeah, it did bother me to that they cut out the mention of Ylva being mother and all. I like to think though that they maybe cut it out because they wanted her situation to come as a surprise later on if another season would come out after this. |
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| Someone can explain a bit more about the confrontation about Bjorn and Askeladd. Why does Bjorn say/think Askeladd hates him? Because he is danish? Maybe the answer is gonna be straightforward but im just curious, i want to understand it completely |
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| That ended so fast poor slave rip... Bjorn is dead... now only Askeladd left... I actually never hated Bjorn despite his crazy behaviors. Flokki is outwitted every time haha, seeing that disgusting face of his pissed off is best thing ever. |
Admiral_Carapils said: Someone can explain a bit more about the confrontation about Bjorn and Askeladd. Why does Bjorn say/think Askeladd hates him? Because he is danish? Askeladd did tell his band he hated them and called them worthless Danes, so yes, that's part of it. But there's also the fact that Bjorn has always been hurt by Askeladd keeping him at arm's length and never sharing anything with him, as we see in episode 13. Put those two things together, and Bjorn probably assumed he was included in Askeladd's declaration of hatred towards his Danish men. But Askeladd's response might mean Bjorn was the sole exception, the one man Askeladd truly did see as a friend. The only one he ever had. |
| I should really stop being surprised by this anime by now. Week after week 20 minutes fly by like it's seconds, yet next week I'm shocked once again by how great it is. Third duel, right? Thorfinn still seems to get angered too fast whenever his father is mentioned, don't think he'll manage to win this one. |
| Rest in Peace Bjorn. That was a good death though. He was also quite an entertaining character to watch... |
Yasuhiro-Dec 9, 2019 11:41 AM
  "Self respect is the greatest gift we can give to our self" |
| RIP Bjorn. The reunion with Leif and Thorfinn went exactly as I thought it would. He doesn’t care much about anything besides killing askeladd. |
| Those last couple episodes of Vinland Saga are fenomenal. If it keep this quality, I can solid confirm it being my 3rd best show of this year |
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| What an ep! Great animation, and great plot and overall vision on love x friendship. I'm really looking forward the next one |
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AmarantineAzure said: Admiral_Carapils said: Someone can explain a bit more about the confrontation about Bjorn and Askeladd. Why does Bjorn say/think Askeladd hates him? Because he is danish? Askeladd did tell his band he hated them and called them worthless Danes, so yes, that's part of it. But there's also the fact that Bjorn has always been hurt by Askeladd keeping him at arm's length and never sharing anything with him, as we see in episode 13. Put those two things together, and Bjorn probably assumed he was included in Askeladd's declaration of hatred towards his Danish men. But Askeladd's response might mean Bjorn was the sole exception, the one man Askeladd truly did see as a friend. The only one he ever had. Makes perfect sense, thanks for the information! |
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| They changed the order of a bunch of chapters here and there but I guess it's for the better |
| Bjorn died as a true warrior - during the fight. And what's more, he also heard from Askeladd directly that he was considered his friend. Askeladd proved again he is a true chad. Damn, I wouldn't be surprised if he literally destroyed himself just for the sake of Canute's future as a king. His abilities to plan, calculate and to sacrifice are great and complex. Beautiful episode, as always. |
| >people still responding to the obvious shounen fan parody account's bait posts every week never change, MAL I've gotta hand it to the staff, this adaptation is better than I could've ever hoped for. It's been a while since I've read VS and I'm being reminded why I love it so much and why Askeladd is the best "antagonist" I've seen in all of anime/manga. The anime has been on a streak of perfect episodes for a long time now, now to wrap this up, here's hoping they handle the remaining episodes just as well as they have so far. |
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| Askeladd was great in this episode but damn that double of Canute got murdered. Seeing Bjorn killed was kind of unsettling since that was Askeladd's only one he considers his friend. Seeing Leif in the beginning was kind of nerve wrecking as well but it was nice to see him notice the changes that has happened to Thorfinn. The sweet lovable boy he once knew is now seeking out vengeance and blood. |
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| Descending into York, Canute's attempts to overthrow King Sweyn gets underway. And Askeladd's attempt to expose by getting the double killed was snively while making a pretentious fuss about it. All to capture King Sweyn's attention in a war of consent and conceit. But this experience for Leif, to see Thorfinn be well after the omission of his father Thors, isn't the same Thorfinn as before. The sweet little child is no more the same, only breathing revenge and retaliation. For Bjorn though, after Askeladd sending Atli off, his only hateful but faithful friend and comrade left, even though he's injured. But before that, the duel between Thorfinn and Askeladd to resume, Bjorn took Thorfinn's place to finish what he started. RIP to the one and only friend of Askeladd, Bjorn, who fought with him all the way to his demise. Very emotional episode that still hurts the heart hard, a face we'll never forget for time to come. Plus the rearrangement of the manga is a taste that's all too sweet that only elevates this experience. |
KANLen09Dec 9, 2019 9:44 PM
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lostinexistence said: They changed the order of a bunch of chapters here and there but I guess it's for the better Yeah, the reordering has worked out well enough, even though it does create a couple of minor issues. |
| This show is so effin' good. |
| The last scene, a manly tear was shed. |
What a beautiful Duwang |
| So much is happening. This is an interesting ideology, I find it very odd that two pirates who raped, pillaged and killed innocent lives can sometimes emit innocent emotions themselves, I guess everybody has even a faint atom of goodwill. |
RealTheAbsurdist said: I honestly think the only reason people cared for Bjorn is because the way he died: the dramatic music, the atmosphere. He barely had any screen presence, nor was he even a likeable character. If Thorkell died, I think that would have had a lot more emotional impact for people. His amazing death scene does obviously elevate his character to heights he would have never reached otherwise (and it's his scene so why give all the merit to the music or whatever? You could say that about any character and scene, really), but no, there was already plenty to like about Bjorn beforehand. I'll give you that he's a relatively low-key character, and he obviously doesn't get much as screentime as Thorfinn, Askeladd, Canute or Thorkell, so I can understand if you missed these things, but if you pay close attention, he has a lot of great little moments and a subtle character arc that make him a pretty interesting and likable character. And a tragic one too. In episode 11 we see that he's trying to understand what Askeladd's thinking and planning for Canute, but Askeladd won't open himself up with him, which shows there's a distance between them which hurts Bjorn: In episode 13 this is shown explicitly in this great scene where Bjorn shows how wounded he is that, even after being together for decades, Askeladd still won't tell him anything about himself. This scene is directly building up their final scene together: In this scene, Torgrim goes on to say he doesn't care if he doesn't know much about Askeladd as long as he keeps guiding them to great riches and success, but Bjorn clearly doesn't relate to that, because that's not the reason he follows Askeladd. In episode 16, Bjorn gives a simple yet touching response when Askeladd asks him why he's been following him for all those years: He just wanted to be with the man he admired, respected and cared for the most. In episode 17, Bjorn's loyalty is truly tested when the entire band turns on Askeladd, but he makes it clear that he's Askeladd's man through and through, come hell or high water: Such unconditional loyalty is a quality most people appreciate, so it's no wonder a lot of people like his character (as seen in this thread). Then there's the just plain awesome moment of his badass declaration of war to the traitors who ruined the band Bjorn had been part of for over a decade: And his berserker fighting style is obviously quite a spectable to behold. And yet, even after he was fatally wounded in that fight, Bjorn showed in this latest episode that, unlike Thorfinn, he will never hold a grudge for something that happens in battle, which is another charming quality of his: He also has a lot of other cool or funny little moments scattered throughout the show, like in the first episode we see him, where he throws a lance at a man Floki had hidden and then fist bumps Askeladd: Or when Askeladd is trying unsuccessfully to get Thorfinn and Canute to get along, and Bjorn finds it hilarious and cracks up in the background: If you ever rewatch or read this arc, try to pay closer attention to moments like these and you'll see that Bjorn is actually a pretty enjoyable and nuanced character. Especially with the hindsight his death scene gives you that what he really wanted all along wasn't riches like the rest of Askeladd's band, or even the thrill of battle — he just wanted to be a true friend to Askeladd. But due to the way Askeladd keeps everyone at arm's length and never lets anyone in his private inner world, Bjorn felt rejected and lonely, and was carrying those feelings all his life (hence him being a tragic character), until it all culminated in this profoundly touching final scene between them, where he was finally able to have some peace in his dying moments, with Askeladd recognizing that Bjorn was indeed his friend. The only one he ever had. |
| Bjorn's death was so sad in the Anime compared to the manga. For some reason, when he died in the manga, I didn't really care much. However, with his voice actor, the desperation in his voice acting, the music, atmosphere, etc. it hit me. Even Canute's female decoy's death was just "okay" in the manga, I saw her as background character. I don't know her life story, name or anything but when she died, knowing she's a slave, hearing her pant trying desperately to live, it also hit me. There were moments when I teared up in the manga but that won't happen until probably the second season. |
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MonkeyDHunter said: Why did they mention Helga's whereabouts but cut out the fact that Ylva is now a mother with both boys and girls? Out of curiosity, did she marry the guy that had a crush on her during the first episodes? I honestly hope she didn't but well. |
SouthRzVa said: MonkeyDHunter said: Why did they mention Helga's whereabouts but cut out the fact that Ylva is now a mother with both boys and girls? Out of curiosity, did she marry the guy that had a crush on her during the first episodes? I honestly hope she didn't but well. |
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MonkeyDHunter said: SouthRzVa said: Out of curiosity, did she marry the guy that had a crush on her during the first episodes? I honestly hope she didn't but well. |
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