Attack on Titan
| I know this was most certainly answered already in discussions but help an anime-only out. Ymir did have the power to fight back against King Fritz and could easily kill the people that turned her in if she wanted, but why serve Fritz, have his kids, fight for him and sacrifice her life for him in the end? Why start a 2000 years cycle of disgrace for simply not stand up for herself? |
caioworld said: I know this was most certainly answered already in discussions but help an anime-only out. Ymir did have the power to fight back against King Fritz and could easily kill the people that turned her in if she wanted, but why serve Fritz, have his kids, fight for him and sacrifice her life for him in the end? Why start a 2000 years cycle of disgrace for simply not stand up for herself? born a slave live a slave die a slave |
| This anime shit is addictive |
caioworld said: I know this was most certainly answered already in discussions but help an anime-only out. Ymir did have the power to fight back against King Fritz and could easily kill the people that turned her in if she wanted, but why serve Fritz, have his kids, fight for him and sacrifice her life for him in the end? Why start a 2000 years cycle of disgrace for simply not stand up for herself? When you are a slave and get tortured and all, you develop this kind of threat attraction call it stockholm sydrome but worse she was attached to fritz even to he was the ass in her life but whatever she was getting is by only that person in a way she doesn't know the difference, like suppose you are eating the only ramen from a shop and you never ate any other ramen from different shop so you can't tell the difference between bad and good, same way ymir was getting abused and all from only one person and there was no one else so there is no way for her to realise what she want, simply no one gave her hope except ass person fritz so she chose to cherish what she got. You need to realise many a times a person is locked in a situation where they will try to protect the abuser and be abused than have nothing there are actual real life stories like that. |
| 2023 might be the year where I will be happy. This year is not happy year. |
| She was a kid. A traumatized kid that didn't know any better. Yeah, it's absurd, but mythology is often absurd and Ymir is just that. Personally I thought it was one of the few pangs of brilliance of the story, to make the mother of titans a mere scared kid that spent 2000 fucking years building titans each time her people transformed into one -- in fact I didn't expect the first few episodes of part 2 to be so good after the lukewarm mid to end episodes of part 1. It's probably going to get worse in a few episodes but welp, I'm enjoying it so far. |
Satyr_iconFeb 8, 2022 12:02 PM
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caioworld said: she was a 10yr old with Stockholm syndromeI know this was most certainly answered already in discussions but help an anime-only out. Ymir did have the power to fight back against King Fritz and could easily kill the people that turned her in if she wanted, but why serve Fritz, have his kids, fight for him and sacrifice her life for him in the end? Why start a 2000 years cycle of disgrace for simply not stand up for herself? |
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I swear every argument against Ymir reads like |
Immahnoob said: Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit, tokiyashiro said: Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me |
| Her situation reminds me of abusive relationships where the victims ends up trapped in the relationship because the abuser is a figure of authority. Also, in fact, I have seen a couple of people who related to her character background (in the sense of not realize that it wasn't love, but a toxic and abusive relationship) Also the fact Ymir was always a slave, and mostly a kid growing in this environment... She most likely developed a wrong perception of what is love, based on few glimpses she saw here and there. Actually, it must have been quite a childish view of it, like marriage and having kids. So as it was said that Ymir was a "gente kid who wanted to help and mostly important wanted to be loved"... I can only assume that behavior is the result of her growing in such a fucked up environment with a very simplified sense of what is love. In other words Ymir projecting this wish in the only figure she had to absolutely please (otherwise she would be punished or killed), the figure of authority and her owner, in other words King Fritz. It's Stockholm Syndrome. But in this case I do see Ymir more like another big victim of war, like many characters in this story. Do I think it was perfectly written? No, It definitely could have used better work, especially with such complicated topic, but I think Isayama has put enough clues to make it reasonable. |
Armins2Feb 8, 2022 1:44 PM
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caioworld said: If we go by the manga ending, "Only Ymir knows" lmaoI know this was most certainly answered already in discussions but help an anime-only out. Ymir did have the power to fight back against King Fritz and could easily kill the people that turned her in if she wanted, but why serve Fritz, have his kids, fight for him and sacrifice her life for him in the end? Why start a 2000 years cycle of disgrace for simply not stand up for herself? Some ending defenders like to say that its Stockholm but its not that either |
| A lot of Ymir's backstory and character seem to be up for interpretation, which I'm not entirely convinced is a good thing considering how important she is to the overall story and history of AOT. My guess would be that she sought out love above all else, considering that scene where she was watching the couple get married. And with her environment and upbringing, the closest thing she had to love was her twisted relationship with King Fritz. Call it Stockholm Syndrome or whatever, but she clearly cared about him despite all he had done to her and she died a broken human being. It would've been nice if the anime had made this stuff more clear, like perhaps showing us the moment where she decides to continue serving King Fritz after getting her power, or how she came to realize she needed to build titans in the Paths. Hopefully we'll get answers to all this. |
| Are ya winning, diners? |
| You're gonna love the reason xD |
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| People are different, not everyone has the will or want to fight back. |
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| I think she has a form of Stockholm syndrome. |
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| it gets explained later I think. |
| I don't think the reason that we eventually get will leave you satisfied at all lmao |
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SenbeiPan said: I don't think she was in love, she doesn't want to be a nobody anymore ig , atleast she has a porpose when king fritz used her 🤷.JJ_jose said: It's like this fandom has either never heard of Stockholm syndrome or refuse to believe it's a real and serious thing. Christ people it's obvious as fuck and is thrown right in your face Ah yes, the face of the girl who is in love:  |
SenbeiPan said: Stockholm syndrome doesn't always require the victim to love, genius, ya'll are just proving my point more, either you don't actually know what it means or never seen it's affects irl. "feelings of trust or affection felt in many cases of kidnapping or hostage-taking by a victim towards a captor." Ymir is naive, she doesn't know what relationships are or how they work, but it was clear she was seaking some form of validation. With no where to turn to, she latched onto the only possible thing she's ever known, to her, her abuse and slavery was normal. But still, no one acknowledged her than anything more than a slave, a tool, a weapon, a demon. Eren was the first one ever to acknowledging her humanity and give her a choice on what she actually wanted to do, how is it so foreign to ya'll that she'd side with eren over someone basically doing exactly what the king did? It was enough to make her snap out of it and realise that the shit she was put through wasn't the norm. Dunno about anyone else, but telling someone that they're worth more than some assholes play thing and showing kindness is usually enough to make them, you know, thankful and come to their senses. Now usually it happens a lot slower for normal cases, but there was basically no other option for herJJ_jose said: It's like this fandom has either never heard of Stockholm syndrome or refuse to believe it's a real and serious thing. Christ people it's obvious as fuck and is thrown right in your face Ah yes, the face of the girl who is in love: |
JJ_joseFeb 8, 2022 7:24 PM
SenbeiPan said: I'm avoiding it as I'm waiting to re experience it again in the anime for a clearer opinion, thank you. I'm speaking clearly form an anime only side since you know, these aren't manga discussions are they?JJ_jose said: Stockholm syndrome doesn't always require the victim to love, genius, ya'll are just proving my point more, either you don't actually know what it means or never seen it's affects irl. "feelings of trust or affection felt in many cases of kidnapping or hostage-taking by a victim towards a captor." Hahahaha, don't act like you don't know what happens in the final, you completed the manga. |
SenbeiPan said: nearly every person that I've watched this episode with, a long with reactions, discussions, have all come to the conclusion that it is Stockholm syndrome as all the evidence points towards that. What else would it be other than that? If I'm correct, I don't remember the manga ever directly saying it was Stockholm syndrome so I don't see how me reading the manga has anything to do with itJJ_jose said: I'm avoiding it as I'm waiting to re experience it again in the anime for a clearer opinion, thank you. I'm speaking clearly form an anime only side since you know, these aren't manga discussions are they? If you are "speaking clearly form an anime only side" why did you bring up the Stockholm Syndrome? There was no traces of that "syndrome" in the episode 5. Only a backstory with bunch of emotionless face, then the angry face of a tortured girl. |
JJ_jose said: SenbeiPan said: nearly every person that I've watched this episode with, a long with reactions, discussions, have all come to the conclusion that it is Stockholm syndrome as all the evidence points towards that. What else would it be other than that? If I'm correct, I don't remember the manga ever directly saying it was Stockholm syndrome so I don't see how me reading the manga has anything to do with itIf you are "speaking clearly form an anime only side" why did you bring up the Stockholm Syndrome? There was no traces of that "syndrome" in the episode 5. Only a backstory with bunch of emotionless face, then the angry face of a tortured girl. Lol you’ll only know about the stockholm cope if you’ve read the manga xD why lie on an anime forum lmao hahaha you’re telling me you thought of stockholm syndrom just from episode 5? HAHAHHAHA |
Roger1 said: I mean plenty of other people did sooo the evidence is very clearly there 🤷♂️, and how am I coping? I literally said I don't remember much from the manga and I'm watching the anime to experience it again, so how the fuck can I cope with something I barely remember? I haven't even read the extra pages. do ya'll not fucking listen? Clearly not so this whole thing is pointless, expected nothing less from MAL tbhJJ_jose said: nearly every person that I've watched this episode with, a long with reactions, discussions, have all come to the conclusion that it is Stockholm syndrome as all the evidence points towards that. What else would it be other than that? If I'm correct, I don't remember the manga ever directly saying it was Stockholm syndrome so I don't see how me reading the manga has anything to do with it Lol you’ll only know about the stockholm cope if you’ve read the manga xD why lie on an anime forum lmao hahaha you’re telling me you thought of stockholm syndrom just from episode 5? HAHAHHAHA |
JJ_joseFeb 8, 2022 7:59 PM
JJ_jose said: Roger1 said: I mean plenty of other people did sooo the evidence is very clearly there 🤷♂️, and how am I coping? I literally said I don't remember much from the manga and I'm watching the anime to experience it again, I haven't even read the extra pages. do ya'll not fucking listen? Clearly not so this whole thing is pointless, expected nothing less from MAL tbhLol you’ll only know about the stockholm cope if you’ve read the manga xD why lie on an anime forum lmao hahaha you’re telling me you thought of stockholm syndrom just from episode 5? HAHAHHAHA You coping so hard hahaha everyone who said stockholm syndrom read or heard about the manga xD |
| Stockholm syndrome is a real thing bruh. Look it up. |
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| I'm guessing if it's becouse she was born a slave ? |
this guy literally not waching attack on titan at all. just bait post or this guy was has no brain / degenerate cannot think and prosses anything. oh yes, i'm a degenerate, i even had my mom watch this fucking episode out of the blue just to figure out what was in Ymir's head |
| If you think she's this stupid already, you'd be scratching your head off once her intentions get revealed later on. It's just common Shingeki no Kyojin writing L, don't be bothered by it too much and enjoy the show for what it is. |
| Logic does not work when you are in love |
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