TheBrainintheJar said: What's funny is that shoujo anime tends to always have hot girls, while male-fanservice anime tends to have empty male designs. Look at magical girls like anime like Mermaid Melody and then look at all the harem. Somehow shoujo goes both ways. Because men have very little idea of what kinds of men women find physically attractive? And any discussion of that is likely to get derailed into discussing behavior, not appearance? |
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flannan said: B-b-but dont you know that we only really like men for their personality, their social skills and their revenue?TheBrainintheJar said: What's funny is that shoujo anime tends to always have hot girls, while male-fanservice anime tends to have empty male designs. Look at magical girls like anime like Mermaid Melody and then look at all the harem. Somehow shoujo goes both ways. Because men have very little idea of what kinds of men women find physically attractive? And any discussion of that is likely to get derailed into discussing behavior, not appearance? |
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Sapewloth said: flannan said: B-b-but dont you know that we only really like men for their personality, their social skills and their revenue?Because men have very little idea of what kinds of men women find physically attractive? And any discussion of that is likely to get derailed into discussing behavior, not appearance? See? The problem is, a character's personality is pretty much tied to the plot and stuff. Unless it's meant to be a comedy, they often have decent social skills (at least within the show). Revenue is often tied to the plot too, but is way more amenable to commercial decisions like "we plan to sell this show to average japanese boys. they would be turned off by characters having over-the-top wealth". It's appearance that is skin-deep and easy to change. |
| I won't go as far to say they are in equal amounts. But sure there is a lot of manservice. They don't get as much flak because they are less prominent I suppose and the type of anime that have them aren't really watched by a lot of male viewers. And it probably takes more to sexualize female character than male characters. Some people still believe Free has no sexualization, which is obviously false. |
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flannan said: TheBrainintheJar said: What's funny is that shoujo anime tends to always have hot girls, while male-fanservice anime tends to have empty male designs. Look at magical girls like anime like Mermaid Melody and then look at all the harem. Somehow shoujo goes both ways. Because men have very little idea of what kinds of men women find physically attractive? And any discussion of that is likely to get derailed into discussing behavior, not appearance? I think it has to do with the fact women are more about women's appearance, then men do about other men's appearance. |
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TheBrainintheJar said: flannan said: Because men have very little idea of what kinds of men women find physically attractive? And any discussion of that is likely to get derailed into discussing behavior, not appearance? I think it has to do with the fact women are more about women's appearance, then men do about other men's appearance. While that's probably true, I don't think it would have a lot to do with character design on a show. If it did, attractive women on anime would look pretty different: less scantily clad, rather more naturally endowed. I think we can safely say that anime pays more attention to the physical appearance of female characters to please male viewership. |
CherryLover said: Lobinde said: Well likewise lots of people are quick to draw the "fanservice!" card, just because a female character is wearing a skirt for example, doesn't make it automatically fanservice. More often than not, it is fanservice since those skirts are being used to do a "pantsu display," which is quite disgusting. This is clearly pandering to the taste of overly meninist pigs. Your avatar is character from a porn game made for male demographic, do you realize that, right? Fate/stay night spoilers ahead, a bit NSFW... |
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flannan said: that might have come across the wrong way, but my post was mostly sarcastic (a way to mock the tendency shown by male-fanservice shows -and society in general-, if you will).Sapewloth said: B-b-but dont you know that we only really like men for their personality, their social skills and their revenue? See? The problem is, a character's personality is pretty much tied to the plot and stuff. Unless it's meant to be a comedy, they often have decent social skills (at least within the show). Revenue is often tied to the plot too, but is way more amenable to commercial decisions like "we plan to sell this show to average japanese boys. they would be turned off by characters having over-the-top wealth". It's appearance that is skin-deep and easy to change. |
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Sapewloth said: flannan said: that might have come across the wrong way, but my post was mostly sarcastic (a way to mock the tendency shown by male-fanservice shows -and society in general-, if you will).See? The problem is, a character's personality is pretty much tied to the plot and stuff. Unless it's meant to be a comedy, they often have decent social skills (at least within the show). Revenue is often tied to the plot too, but is way more amenable to commercial decisions like "we plan to sell this show to average japanese boys. they would be turned off by characters having over-the-top wealth". It's appearance that is skin-deep and easy to change. Yes, I understood that that line was meant to sound tsundere. |
| You could ask the same about the other side, why is there complaining about man service like free when there's so much fan service?? Everyone just complains about what he ones that concern them it's just the same people that are complaining about probably are'nt the ones complaining about the hence why you may not have realized (or you did realise and just ignored it most likely) Not to mention with your Goku example, it's obviously not something intended as manserviece, that would be the equivalent of someone like Schwarzenegger or Batista "Manservice" cuz he's ripped or something |
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| I don't like either one. btw what is "free"? |
| i dont watch shoujo because of that and even i avoid the majority of ecchi i watch anime for good stories/interesting characters that all and not to see naked people |
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Psycho_Shin_Ken said: CherryLover said: More often than not, it is fanservice since those skirts are being used to do a "pantsu display," which is quite disgusting. This is clearly pandering to the taste of overly meninist pigs. Your avatar is character from a porn game made for male demographic, do you realize that, right? Fate/stay night spoilers ahead, a bit NSFW... You'll find that she is in fact a very well-developed and likable character, contrary to what appears to be the default view that you people have of her. I would go deeper into it, but I feel my time would be wasted on people not wanting to even understand such a character before using her as a weapon against me. On-topic: It is not only the volume. The way it is presented is also vastly different, and hence vastly unfair. |
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CherryLover said: Psycho_Shin_Ken said: Your avatar is character from a porn game made for male demographic, do you realize that, right? Fate/stay night spoilers ahead, a bit NSFW... You'll find that she is in fact a very well-developed and likable character, contrary to what appears to be the default view that you people have of her. I would go deeper into it, but I feel my time would be wasted on people not wanting to even understand such a character before using her as a weapon against me. On-topic: It is not only the volume. The way it is presented is also vastly different, and hence vastly unfair. I don't have a lot of experience with female-targeted fanservice. Elaborate on the differences? |
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TheBrainintheJar said: CherryLover said: You'll find that she is in fact a very well-developed and likable character, contrary to what appears to be the default view that you people have of her. I would go deeper into it, but I feel my time would be wasted on people not wanting to even understand such a character before using her as a weapon against me. On-topic: It is not only the volume. The way it is presented is also vastly different, and hence vastly unfair. I don't have a lot of experience with female-targeted fanservice. Elaborate on the differences? Basically, female-targeted fanservice run far deeper than just superficial looks and the usual perverted stuff in harem shows. Characters are fleshed out better, they act realistically, and the actual fanservice is never too obtuse or distraction; ergo, they not only complement the show, but also help to develop it. |
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CherryLover said: Please, please go watch Diabolik Lovers or any run of the mill reverse harem. It all panders to girls who want to be owned by their cardboard cutout hot boys. What's rape? What's attempted murder? What's being beaten and violated? Who cares, these guys are soooo dreamy and their seiyuu are KYAA >_<!Basically, female-targeted fanservice run far deeper than just superficial looks and the usual perverted stuff in harem shows. Characters are fleshed out better, they act realistically, and the actual fanservice is never too obtuse or distraction; ergo, they not only complement the show, but also help to develop it. |
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CherryLover said: TheBrainintheJar said: I don't have a lot of experience with female-targeted fanservice. Elaborate on the differences? Basically, female-targeted fanservice run far deeper than just superficial looks and the usual perverted stuff in harem shows. Characters are fleshed out better, they act realistically, and the actual fanservice is never too obtuse or distraction; ergo, they not only complement the show, but also help to develop it. Huh? How is 'realistic characters' a fanservice for females? Fanservice is something that has immediate, emotional and base appeal. It's sexuality and gore and plain coolness. What definition do you use? |
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"Free" is an anime about a male swimming club. Naturally, it's full of good-looking young men in their swimwear. http://myanimelist.net/anime/18507/Free People who have actually watched it say it's pretty good. |
| maybe bc no one sees guys' tits as a secondary sex symbol fuken obviously why do you think only one-dimensionally |
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Foxfire said: Manservice? Fuck outta here. Anime is and will always be mostly a boys only club. Be grateful.  God, I love this picture so much! On topic...MALers love to bitch about everything. |
| I think, nits just my opinion, that fanservice can destroy a story. Fanservice isn't just cool boobies plan , but i see fanservice as a thing that author puts just in order to please his fans, and sometimes it just ruin the story. That's why i can't bear it. |
^^^ why are their nipples censored... LoL.  from http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1491400&show=0#post7 |
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_Pingu_ said: I think, nits just my opinion, that fanservice can destroy a story. Fanservice isn't just cool boobies plan , but i see fanservice as a thing that author puts just in order to please his fans, and sometimes it just ruin the story. That's why i can't bear it. Can you explain how fanservice can destroy a story? Isn't Panty Strike Witches a fine story about war and cute girls doing cute things? Isn't Sinon badass and her story touching no matter how much the camera focuses on her ass? |
flannan said: _Pingu_ said: I think, nits just my opinion, that fanservice can destroy a story. Fanservice isn't just cool boobies plan , but i see fanservice as a thing that author puts just in order to please his fans, and sometimes it just ruin the story. That's why i can't bear it. Can you explain how fanservice can destroy a story? Isn't Panty Strike Witches a fine story about war and cute girls doing cute things? Isn't Sinon badass and her story touching no matter how much the camera focuses on her ass? It can't destroy a story as fanservice doesn't interfere with the plot. It's just there for obvious reasons. However it can destroy the tone or atmosphere of the show. |
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| I haven't really noticed that much manservice, though maybe that's because I don't watch the right shows. And fanservice generally feels more crude to me - more sexual - so perhaps that's why people are bothered. Also, a shirtless guy isn't nearly the same as a shirtless girl. People just see those two things differently, so I don't get why are you trying to set up this false equivalency. |
Tenshi_Shura said: Hmm... "it can destroy the tone or atmosphere of the show" in serious anime. But, this type of fan service are mostly for comedic purpose in comedy anime.It can't destroy a story as fanservice doesn't interfere with the plot. It's just there for obvious reasons. However it can destroy the tone or atmosphere of the show. |
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TR-8RCaim said: Feaor said: I appreciate Free! but it's a grim reminder of the sexism against males in the anime industryManservice > Fanservice Top tier Bishounen can make any show watchable. How is it sexist? Sexual attraction is by definition objectifying, we are attracted to bodies as objects. There are primal instincts at play here and they won't go away just because some feminist says so. Just accept that humans love getting horny, this PC-dogma that shames people for their desires is such an obnoxious killjoy tbh. I don't feel insulted by "Free!", I don't think it's sexist and I'm male. |
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Tentology said: Man service is usually for the purpose of humor, why would you complain about something humorous :P So is fanservice that is about sexy females. "Naked people are funny" or something like that. |
| Never payed attention to *manservice* Its just a guy without a shirt, whats so special Oppai on the other hand.... >:3 |
| truer words have never been spoken, I completely agree with you OP |
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| On a serious note I don't like watching girls/women in bra or nude in front of everyone, like they did in the tournament it was pathetic now that i think of it i wish to give -1 rank just for that episode. If they are serious characters it just don't seem right. But ecchi shows are exceptions, they are meant for that. |
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_Esper_ said: Tenshi_Shura said: Hmm... "it can destroy the tone or atmosphere of the show" in serious anime. But, this type of fan service are mostly for comedic purpose in comedy anime.It can't destroy a story as fanservice doesn't interfere with the plot. It's just there for obvious reasons. However it can destroy the tone or atmosphere of the show. It's merely a hypothesis. I'm just addressing what part can fanservice potentially destroy. |
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Foxfire said: what the actual, literal fuck is this.Manservice? Fuck outta here. Anime is and will always be mostly a boys only club. Be grateful. |
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DoctorSexy said: men being oversexualized and is nothing more then sex objects for female viewer not to mention every male character being a sexist stereotype I actually laughed more than I should. |
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DoctorSexy said: men being oversexualized and is nothing more then sex objects for female viewer not to mention every male character being a sexist stereotype You're not being discriminated against, it's just another female fantasy. What a buzzkill you are, not your place to (dis)approve what girls get wet over. It's okay to make shows that contain sexualized men or women. It's fun and no one is being hurt. |
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ilovewendy16 said: Foxfire said: what the actual, literal fuck is this.Manservice? Fuck outta here. Anime is and will always be mostly a boys only club. Be grateful. Apparently, it's a young man with a gun barricaded with boxes of anime figurines. The sign on the barricade reads "no girls allowed", and the whole image seems to intensify this slogan, as sexy things and anime paraphernalia are believed to ward off women. Because we men want to have safe spaces too. |
flannan said: Apparently, it's a young man with a gun barricaded with boxes of anime figurines. The sign on the barricade reads "no girls allowed", and the whole image seems to intensify this slogan, as sexy things and anime paraphernalia are believed to ward off women. Because we men want to have safe spaces too. lol safe spaces the cry of feminists who cant take criticisml |
| True, i lost count how many yaoi fangirls i saw in the comment section about anime like Free :P, when there's a ecchi anime airing, no man in this world can say it is good or he'll be called a pervert or something along those lines... logic? (Fanservice isnt that bad, actually we get to know better the characters C;) |
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| because... sexualize men: no one says anything sexualize women: OH GAWD WHAT ARE THEY DOING? ITS DISTRACTING!! ITS SEXIST!! YOU CAN'T GET A REAL GIRL!! THEY RUINED THE SHOW!! or insecure teenage girls get butthurt.... get... the fuck.... OUT..... -___- |
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Mamster-P said: because... sexualize men: no one says anything sexualize women: OH GAWD WHAT ARE THEY DOING? ITS DISTRACTING!! ITS SEXIST!! YOU CAN'T GET A REAL GIRL!! THEY RUINED THE SHOW!! or insecure teenage girls get butthurt.... get... the fuck.... OUT..... -___- Dude... You've become a lot more cynical since I've been away XD. Calm down. Lots of these people are just new to anime anyway. They're coming in with the mindset they've had regarding other shows. I don't think anyone who's seen more than 5 shows won't really think like that. Anyways... just calm down. |
TitanAnteus said: Dude... You've become a lot more cynical since I've been away XD. Calm down. Lots of these people are just new to anime anyway. They're coming in with the mindset they've had regarding other shows. I don't think anyone who's seen more than 5 shows won't really think like that. Anyways... just calm down. ive been like this since..... ALWAYS..... lol and this isn't even an anime thing, its just media in general that says this shit.. sexualization of girls/women = bad/annoying/offensive/etc its bullshit and stupid.... |
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