The Flowers of Evil
DO NOT discuss the source material beyond this episode. If you want to discuss future events or theories, please use separate threads.
DO NOT ask where to watch/download this episode or give links to copyrighted, non-fair use material.
DO NOT troll/bait/harass/abuse other users for liking or disliking the series/characters.
DO read the Anime Discussion Rules and Site & Forum Guidelines.
DO NOT ask where to watch/download this episode or give links to copyrighted, non-fair use material.
DO NOT troll/bait/harass/abuse other users for liking or disliking the series/characters.
DO read the Anime Discussion Rules and Site & Forum Guidelines.
"Avant-garde"  |
TachiiApr 13, 2013 7:55 AM
 |
| yea I actually had a hard time spotting some of the funny looking stills, it seems like these people really went out of their way to get the most awkward shot. Like you said in real life you can get an awkward shot of good looking people. I think the anime realistically portrays people, but not in terms of detail but body proportions and shape. Also I think they are clearly making a point that not everyone is attractive. Moe' school anime literally have every single female in the anime look good. Which is always really funny when they're trying to portray an unpopular or "ugly" girl and she looks exactly the same as the others. The mangaka had even commented how he didn't just want a traditional anime adaptation, and would have wanted something like a live action series. So this is what they decided on. The people who animated this show are very skilled and have a lot of gorgeous anime they have worked on. Everything is intentional, if you don't like it that's cool it's just not appealing to YOU. Saying it is just outright bad is ridiculous. Detail does not equal good art, so saying the faces don't have detail does not mean it's bad. |
amginex said: ihateeveryone said: Eh, people keep claiming that it's realistic, so I'm just going to post a comment here from an anime site that I follow: gargamesh said: Realistic as one would call it, but it isn’t really acceptable in any way, it’s not really realistic that there’s a severe lack of depth on the characters, look at it, there’s barely any shadows, if not, nothing at all, they all look like a solid slab of color, as one would most see here: http://dalian.7thstyle.com/2013/04/pan2jij00047921.jpg" target="_blank">http://seventhstyle.com/goto/http://dalian.7thstyle.com/2013/04/pan2jij00047921.jpg If one looks at her back, if not for the fact that there are students around her, one would have easily mistaken her for a certain object or sorts. On the contrary, the backgrounds look way more detailed and eye-worthy (LOL, made up term), perhaps they put much more effort into the surroundings instead of the characters themselves, IDK, but it sure seems that way. saeki actually look good in that pic/link. i think it portrays "realisticly" in a way that even real pretty people does not look pretty all the time. certain angles, expressions, time of day (LOL) can make the prettiest people looks like crap fans who hates the art only shows the ugly "still frame picture" of the art. ive seen a few posts in this forum where the characters actually look nice and can be categorize as "pretty" dont know if it was the same in the second ep, but aside from still frames, there were quite a few scenes in the first ep that the motion just looked terrible (dunno if it woulda looked that way reguardless of how the character was drawn, or if it was because they looked like masses of blobs with outlines |
 |
| Nerdy_Old_Taco wrote: Which is always really funny when they're trying to portray an unpopular or "ugly" girl and she looks exactly the same as the others. Exactly right. Lucky☆Star is a good example of this "rule" for anime. They are constantly making references to Kagami struggling with her weight. So she is always going on a diet but then failing. However, you can look carefully and all of the girls are exactly the same width. In anime it is okay to show girls of widely-varying height, but apparently it is totally unacceptable to show thin girls and fat girls. In Haruhi, they talk about how she is an extremely beautiful girl. But all of the female characters in Haruhi are equally beautiful as far as I can tell. I believe that there are general rules that apply to all anime series. |
have a photo guys |
| The actor for Kasuga has many, many photos of himself posted online. Note that he is both the voice actor and the rotoscope actor. If you want to see all of them do a Google Image search for 植田慎一郎 His Japanese name is Shin'ichirō Ueda. His family name is Ueda. It is extremely difficult to find photos of the others. Here is his personal blog: http://ameblo.jp/ueda-shinichiroh/ Forget the URL for his blog? No worries... Every single page of his blog contains the sentence: 植田慎一郎です。 |
okanaganApr 12, 2013 11:01 AM
slutbag said: have a photo guys they should have just done a LA if they wanted realism lol esp if they already had actors for the whole rotoscoping thing, woulda saved all this headache, and woulda looked better too |
|
Hito420 said: slutbag said: have a photo guys they should have just done a LA if they wanted realism lol esp if they already had actors for the whole rotoscoping thing, woulda saved all this headache, and woulda looked better too And no one would've watched it |
| In 9/10 cases, the worst thing about an anime is its fandom. |
Lolack said: I don't know if I should hate on this because of how dull the story and hideous the animation is, or just join the ostentatious pseudo hipsters over there. You realize how much of a douche it makes you sound like when you call someone a "ostentatious pseudo hipster" because they like something you don't? |
FintanApr 12, 2013 11:57 AM
| This is my favorite photo from his personal blog: http://ameblo.jp/ueda-shinichiroh/image-11459170238-12396665194.html |
okanagan said: This is my favorite photo from his personal blog: http://ameblo.jp/ueda-shinichiroh/image-11459170238-12396665194.html I like this one http://ameblo.jp/ueda-shinichiroh/image-11495819817-12468327521.html Those blog pics made me really hungry lol |
| The sign on the wall says "No Smoking". 禁煙 But those girls are both smoking ! |
Hito420 said: slutbag said: have a photo guys they should have just done a LA if they wanted realism lol esp if they already had actors for the whole rotoscoping thing, woulda saved all this headache, and woulda looked better too You can drop it or deal with it. Nerdy_Old_Taco said: Lolack said: I don't know if I should hate on this because of how dull the story and hideous the animation is, or just join the ostentatious pseudo hipsters over there. You realize how much of a douche it makes you sound when you call someone a "ostentatious pseudo hipster" because they like something you don't? >>>> Infinitely better than being one the many indoctrinated by the moe culture. Aku no hana has shown how bad it is, have something extremely different looking and see what happened, many going insane due to the rage LOL. If theres something comedy gold here is them. |
9988Apr 12, 2013 11:40 AM
Nerdy_Old_Taco said: Lolack said: I don't know if I should hate on this because of how dull the story and hideous the animation is, or just join the ostentatious pseudo hipsters over there. You realize how much of a douche it makes you sound when you call someone a "ostentatious pseudo hipster" because they like something you don't? This ^ |
| In what way do they look like real japanese people? Have you seen the cast? Because I don't find these people ugly at all, unlike the anime versions. That whole " they wanted to see cute anime girls " bullshit doesn't convince anyone. |
 |
| I want the sub already, can't wait lol D: |
Amarrez said: This scene was completely and utterly ruined beyond repair. And so was this one, actually one of my favourite scenes in the manga. It keeps getting worse and worse. |
 |
 |
Luvrei said: Nerdy_Old_Taco said: You realize how much of a douche it makes you sound like when you call someone a "moefag" because they don't like something you do? Not a single person here has called anyone a "moefag" or insulted them because they like moe'. Has it happened in some other thread? Probably. Not here though, so I don't get what your point is. |
| One guy on MAL chose that as his user name: http://myanimelist.net/profile/moefag Since he chose that name first, nobody else should be called that. |
GoldenBRS said: holy shit the art looks awful again! holy shit you are dumb! |
amginex said: Now, I'm no sleuth, but I think it just might have something to do with the inclusion of the word "fag". Just a hunch.okanagan said: One guy on MAL chose that as his user name: http://myanimelist.net/profile/moefag Since he chose that name first, nobody else should be called that. LOL i dont even understand whats so offensive about moefag? i mean i like moe animes too. i dont mind being called moefag |
 |
Takuan_Soho said: GoldenBRS said: holy shit the art looks awful again! Really? I hadn't noticed. Why would you say that? Could you please explain, I am curious. Are you sure you just didn't download a bad 480 version? There is a reason they call those "eye cancers". Stuartxtr7 said: Amarrez said: This scene was completely and utterly ruined beyond repair. And so was this one, actually one of my favourite scenes in the manga. It keeps getting worse and worse. That's why. |
GoldenBRS said: That's why. It is the same art as the first episode why would someone expect a different art than the first episode is beyond me. The art is better than your sig I can say that much. |
| Coming here after watching ep2 and the bickering is still raging on as expected ^_^ I was actually in awe seeing this:  That dog is the prettiest dog I've seen in anime, period. If all the characters in this anime were cats and dogs, Aku no Hana would get really high score! xD The dog looks so life-like that you can even feel the breathing from it. The background is very vividly detail. As I've said in my mini-review on ep1, this director really focusing on adding 3-D depth in the anime, and it shows here. This picture demonstrates the advantage of rotoscoping when it is used with full potential: the characters are 'captured' within the real background. Thus, they are naturally blend in with the environment, instead of having artist imagine character models in a made-up background. Even though the different is normally negligible, with a keen eye, you can feel that rotoscoping environment is more pleasing. With this picture in mind, I wonder why the director chose to illustrate human differently. The dog is pretty because it has all the features of a real dog. Rotoscoping without a full recognizable nose, or extra skin textures is really a perverse halfway between real life and anime style. No wonder why people don't like the art. They are confuse on whether they were supposed to perceive this as life action, or anime. In addition, the lack of lines makes the animation quality fluctuate pretty widely. Sometime, the character looks good, other times, they look ridiculous. Nagahama certainly had enough money to 'fill in the blanks' so to speak. Why wouldn't he do it? My guess is he was actually trying to create a whole new art style, which exists in the middle of life action and 2-D animation. Rotoscoping and CGI are the two methods to achieve this. The new art style has some unique features: clunky 12 fps, faceless characters from far-away view point (demonstrate a keen focus on depth perception again), bland character designs within beautifully colored background (usually, anime choose to blur BG for the characters to standout. Here, BG is almost always showed with the same, or better amount of lighting), and most important of all, the realistic eye and mouth movements. This art style maybe off-putting to many. But within the context of this anime, the style works really well. I can continue to explore this point once subs is out. |
 |
| Here is the full text of Baudelaire's Les Fleurs du Mal in the original French: http://www.gutenberg.org/files/6099/6099-h/6099-h.htm Having read ahead in the manga, I don't want to give away any spoilers. However, I strongly suggest that you don't read it unless you don't mind SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER and SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER and getting SPOILER'd. - - - - - - - The book was first published in 1845 and the original title was actually "Les Lesbiennes". When the book was re-published ten years later, it was given the new title "Les Fleurs du Mal". The translation of "Les Lesbiennes" into Japanese is 「レスボスの女たち」. |
okanaganApr 12, 2013 2:28 PM
| Haven't watched it yet (waiting for a subbed stream), but just scrolling through this thread I found this: symbv said:  I loled. Will watch it soon, but it doesn't seem to have changed any opinion so far... Hope I can find a thread to follow now. |
| The more I listen to the OP, the more I like it It has a drunken-guy-with-broken-voice feel to it xD |
| |
Polychrome said: In what way do they look like real japanese people? Have you seen the cast? Because I don't find these people ugly at all, unlike the anime versions. That whole " they wanted to see cute anime girls " bullshit doesn't convince anyone. Only Sawa doesn't seem like herself. ThangLong said: That dog is the prettiest dog I've seen in anime, period. The dog looks so life-like that you can even feel the breathing from it. The background is very vividly detail. :rolleyes |
TachiiApr 13, 2013 7:58 AM
|
| Well, this episode did it for me. Definitely gonna keep watching it until the end because it really hooked me in. The story-telling and the atmosphere is great as it was last episode. As for the animation...I'm still undecided about it. Now I'm almost certain that the character animation is intentional, but it's still way too jarring, incredibly alien really, in contrast to the great background art (such as the details pointed out some of the posts above mine). There are still 11 more episodes so I'll have plenty of time to reflect on it. The contrast is so great that, from the first two episodes anyway, it would be hard to argue that the character animations were due to budget constraints. Again, whether I can say it is a good anime or not can only happen when I see the last episode, but for me it's looking auspicious so far. Also, Nakamura's face is much more bearable to look at in this episode. Not necessarily attractive...but it's better than the face from the first episode, which was really the only shot of her face. It'll do; at least the VA fits very well. |
Kjeldoran109Apr 12, 2013 3:09 PM
Nucksen said: And no one would've watched it I don't know about that - live action stuff is really popular in Japan, and with a manga that's relatively popular they could have easily gotten a nice budget and some real actors (Oguri Shun...maybe not given how popular he is nowadays). And yes, Japan actually does pump out some great live action series from time to time. |
 |
ThangLong said: As I've said in my mini-review on ep1, this director really focusing on adding 3-D depth in the anime, and it shows here. wh But there is NO shading, which DETRACTS from giving the characters visual depth. They essentially look like mobile cardboard cutouts. Anyway, still not really sure what to think about this show. Manga-readers, how many pages did this episode cover? Are we done chapter 1 yet? There were some parts where the mouth movements looked REALLY strange to me, but I'll have to watch it again to point out specific scenes. And I don't feel like rewatching the episode right now, haha. |
More topics from this board
Poll: » Aku no Hana Episode 7 Discussion ( 1 2 3 4 5 ... Last Page )Stark700 - May 18, 2013 |
253 |
by princesjelyfish
»»
Yesterday, 3:19 AM |
|
Poll: » Aku no Hana Episode 13 Discussion ( 1 2 3 4 5 ... Last Page )Stark700 - Jun 29, 2013 |
324 |
by bushman66
»»
Apr 13, 3:44 PM |
|
Poll: » Aku no Hana Episode 12 Discussion ( 1 2 )Stark700 - Jun 22, 2013 |
86 |
by bushman66
»»
Apr 13, 3:42 PM |
|
Poll: » Aku no Hana Episode 11 Discussion ( 1 2 3 )Stark700 - Jun 15, 2013 |
131 |
by bushman66
»»
Apr 13, 3:40 PM |
|
Poll: » Aku no Hana Episode 10 Discussion ( 1 2 3 )Stark700 - Jun 8, 2013 |
135 |
by bushman66
»»
Apr 13, 3:39 PM |