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Lolack said: I don't know if I should hate on this because of how dull the story and hideous the animation is, or just join the ostentatious pseudo hipsters over there. You realize how much of a douche it makes you sound like when you call someone a "ostentatious pseudo hipster" because they like something you don't? |
FintanApr 12, 2013 11:57 AM
| This is my favorite photo from his personal blog: http://ameblo.jp/ueda-shinichiroh/image-11459170238-12396665194.html |
okanagan said: This is my favorite photo from his personal blog: http://ameblo.jp/ueda-shinichiroh/image-11459170238-12396665194.html I like this one http://ameblo.jp/ueda-shinichiroh/image-11495819817-12468327521.html Those blog pics made me really hungry lol |
| The sign on the wall says "No Smoking". 禁煙 But those girls are both smoking ! |
Hito420 said: slutbag said: have a photo guys  they should have just done a LA if they wanted realism lol esp if they already had actors for the whole rotoscoping thing, woulda saved all this headache, and woulda looked better too You can drop it or deal with it. Nerdy_Old_Taco said: Lolack said: I don't know if I should hate on this because of how dull the story and hideous the animation is, or just join the ostentatious pseudo hipsters over there. You realize how much of a douche it makes you sound when you call someone a "ostentatious pseudo hipster" because they like something you don't? >>>> Infinitely better than being one the many indoctrinated by the moe culture. Aku no hana has shown how bad it is, have something extremely different looking and see what happened, many going insane due to the rage LOL. If theres something comedy gold here is them. |
9988Apr 12, 2013 11:40 AM
Nerdy_Old_Taco said: Lolack said: I don't know if I should hate on this because of how dull the story and hideous the animation is, or just join the ostentatious pseudo hipsters over there. You realize how much of a douche it makes you sound when you call someone a "ostentatious pseudo hipster" because they like something you don't? This ^ |
| In what way do they look like real japanese people? Have you seen the cast? Because I don't find these people ugly at all, unlike the anime versions. That whole " they wanted to see cute anime girls " bullshit doesn't convince anyone. |
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| I want the sub already, can't wait lol D: |
Amarrez said: This scene was completely and utterly ruined beyond repair. And so was this one, actually one of my favourite scenes in the manga. It keeps getting worse and worse. |
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Luvrei said: Nerdy_Old_Taco said: You realize how much of a douche it makes you sound like when you call someone a "moefag" because they don't like something you do? Not a single person here has called anyone a "moefag" or insulted them because they like moe'. Has it happened in some other thread? Probably. Not here though, so I don't get what your point is. |
| One guy on MAL chose that as his user name: http://myanimelist.net/profile/moefag Since he chose that name first, nobody else should be called that. |
GoldenBRS said: holy shit the art looks awful again! holy shit you are dumb! |
amginex said: Now, I'm no sleuth, but I think it just might have something to do with the inclusion of the word "fag". Just a hunch.okanagan said: One guy on MAL chose that as his user name: http://myanimelist.net/profile/moefag Since he chose that name first, nobody else should be called that. LOL i dont even understand whats so offensive about moefag? i mean i like moe animes too. i dont mind being called moefag |
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Takuan_Soho said: GoldenBRS said: holy shit the art looks awful again! Really? I hadn't noticed. Why would you say that? Could you please explain, I am curious. Are you sure you just didn't download a bad 480 version? There is a reason they call those "eye cancers". Stuartxtr7 said: Amarrez said: This scene was completely and utterly ruined beyond repair. And so was this one, actually one of my favourite scenes in the manga. It keeps getting worse and worse. That's why. |
GoldenBRS said: That's why. It is the same art as the first episode why would someone expect a different art than the first episode is beyond me. The art is better than your sig I can say that much. |
| Coming here after watching ep2 and the bickering is still raging on as expected ^_^ I was actually in awe seeing this:  That dog is the prettiest dog I've seen in anime, period. If all the characters in this anime were cats and dogs, Aku no Hana would get really high score! xD The dog looks so life-like that you can even feel the breathing from it. The background is very vividly detail. As I've said in my mini-review on ep1, this director really focusing on adding 3-D depth in the anime, and it shows here. This picture demonstrates the advantage of rotoscoping when it is used with full potential: the characters are 'captured' within the real background. Thus, they are naturally blend in with the environment, instead of having artist imagine character models in a made-up background. Even though the different is normally negligible, with a keen eye, you can feel that rotoscoping environment is more pleasing. With this picture in mind, I wonder why the director chose to illustrate human differently. The dog is pretty because it has all the features of a real dog. Rotoscoping without a full recognizable nose, or extra skin textures is really a perverse halfway between real life and anime style. No wonder why people don't like the art. They are confuse on whether they were supposed to perceive this as life action, or anime. In addition, the lack of lines makes the animation quality fluctuate pretty widely. Sometime, the character looks good, other times, they look ridiculous. Nagahama certainly had enough money to 'fill in the blanks' so to speak. Why wouldn't he do it? My guess is he was actually trying to create a whole new art style, which exists in the middle of life action and 2-D animation. Rotoscoping and CGI are the two methods to achieve this. The new art style has some unique features: clunky 12 fps, faceless characters from far-away view point (demonstrate a keen focus on depth perception again), bland character designs within beautifully colored background (usually, anime choose to blur BG for the characters to standout. Here, BG is almost always showed with the same, or better amount of lighting), and most important of all, the realistic eye and mouth movements. This art style maybe off-putting to many. But within the context of this anime, the style works really well. I can continue to explore this point once subs is out. |
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| Here is the full text of Baudelaire's Les Fleurs du Mal in the original French: http://www.gutenberg.org/files/6099/6099-h/6099-h.htm Having read ahead in the manga, I don't want to give away any spoilers. However, I strongly suggest that you don't read it unless you don't mind SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER and SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER and getting SPOILER'd. - - - - - - - The book was first published in 1845 and the original title was actually "Les Lesbiennes". When the book was re-published ten years later, it was given the new title "Les Fleurs du Mal". The translation of "Les Lesbiennes" into Japanese is 「レスボスの女たち」. |
okanaganApr 12, 2013 2:28 PM
| Haven't watched it yet (waiting for a subbed stream), but just scrolling through this thread I found this: symbv said:  I loled. Will watch it soon, but it doesn't seem to have changed any opinion so far... Hope I can find a thread to follow now. |
| The more I listen to the OP, the more I like it It has a drunken-guy-with-broken-voice feel to it xD |
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Polychrome said: In what way do they look like real japanese people? Have you seen the cast? Because I don't find these people ugly at all, unlike the anime versions. That whole " they wanted to see cute anime girls " bullshit doesn't convince anyone. Only Sawa doesn't seem like herself. ThangLong said: That dog is the prettiest dog I've seen in anime, period. The dog looks so life-like that you can even feel the breathing from it. The background is very vividly detail. :rolleyes |
TachiiApr 13, 2013 7:58 AM
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| Well, this episode did it for me. Definitely gonna keep watching it until the end because it really hooked me in. The story-telling and the atmosphere is great as it was last episode. As for the animation...I'm still undecided about it. Now I'm almost certain that the character animation is intentional, but it's still way too jarring, incredibly alien really, in contrast to the great background art (such as the details pointed out some of the posts above mine). There are still 11 more episodes so I'll have plenty of time to reflect on it. The contrast is so great that, from the first two episodes anyway, it would be hard to argue that the character animations were due to budget constraints. Again, whether I can say it is a good anime or not can only happen when I see the last episode, but for me it's looking auspicious so far. Also, Nakamura's face is much more bearable to look at in this episode. Not necessarily attractive...but it's better than the face from the first episode, which was really the only shot of her face. It'll do; at least the VA fits very well. |
Kjeldoran109Apr 12, 2013 3:09 PM
Nucksen said: And no one would've watched it I don't know about that - live action stuff is really popular in Japan, and with a manga that's relatively popular they could have easily gotten a nice budget and some real actors (Oguri Shun...maybe not given how popular he is nowadays). And yes, Japan actually does pump out some great live action series from time to time. |
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ThangLong said: As I've said in my mini-review on ep1, this director really focusing on adding 3-D depth in the anime, and it shows here. wh But there is NO shading, which DETRACTS from giving the characters visual depth. They essentially look like mobile cardboard cutouts. Anyway, still not really sure what to think about this show. Manga-readers, how many pages did this episode cover? Are we done chapter 1 yet? There were some parts where the mouth movements looked REALLY strange to me, but I'll have to watch it again to point out specific scenes. And I don't feel like rewatching the episode right now, haha. |
| I'm actually quite partial to this anime adaptation, but I sure would have a lot easier time of arguing that the style is more or less to show Kasuga's sense of disconnection from his environment and not just because the staff is trolling us if Nakamura would stop doing her best impression of the troll-face. ----> |
| "In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and has been widely regarded as a bad move." - Douglas Adams "...but all these feels that are currently assaulting me don't seem to care. Conversely, I'm also aggressively erect at the moment..." |
| Episode two is here! Expecting a lot in this episode discussion. Dog drawing better than character drawing B-) Amarrez said: And so was this one, actually one of my favourite scenes in the manga. HAHAHAHHA. Omygod, you killed me. |
| ...Okay... Just gonna try this ONE more episode... *Begins watching* 0.o Well, Takao's voice is getting slightly better, I'll admit that. .... -_- Eh. Still bored so far... |
| "Aiming for the mark takes precision, balance, and patience." ....Screw that, let's shoot the damn thing! |
| *sigh* I skimmed through this hoping they were just trolling for the last episode. Sadly, it was the same old rotoscoped cry for attention which I think they have done an exceptionally bad job at. You know, I actually really enjoyed "A Scanner Darkly" (a rotoscope US film /w Keanu Reeves) but I just cant get into this. I really think they should have done this as a normal live action if they were going that route. The sad part is that I really do like the story, the setting, and the plot so far. Unfortunately the art and the pacing ruin it for me. I think they should have sped things up a bit between the very dramatic or significant scenes that justify the eerie drama vibe, and even the music doesn't ramp up as much as it should. They went too subtle here, and the show's hurt for it. The terrible attempt at rotoscoping just pushes it over that edge to "worst 'anime' ever" for me. |
| I was so intrigued after the first episode that I decided to read a few chapters of the manga while waiting for this to get subbed. I got around ch7 which is past this episode so I won't say anything to spoil. The episode was okay in the beginning and middle. Frankly the pacing was a little off. I didn't get the tension as much as I did while reading the manga especially when during the homeroom teachers "announcement". It stayed true to the manga so that's why it was ok. The end scene however was ridiculously butchered in my opinion. There was almost no tension felt and the whole time you didn't "feel" anything from Nakamura. She just pushes him and says oh hey write an essay. The manga really did a good job showing how messed up the whole situation was and I felt this scene was super rushed in the anime. Also to add to the whole art discussion, I can see why people who haven't read the manga don't mind the art so much. Frankly, if you haven't seen the original images the rotoscope actually fits with the whole "dark theme" of this anime. However, like I said, I was so intrigued by the first episode and had seen the original artwork that I decided to read the manga. I'm glad I did because I have a feeling the manga >> anime. I'll probably finish up to where it's translated tonight |
| -Nothing can stay unchanged. Even so, can you still keep on loving this place? -Be still my soul; when change and tears are past, all safe and blessed we shall meet at last. |
Is this person female or just crossdressing? |
Monde11 said: Is this person female or just crossdressing? I'm pretty sure that's a man. |
| I honestly think this episode was so-so. When you re-watch the last episode a few times, I guess you could get used to it. While the animation technique and awkward faces still unnerve me, I'm beginning to -slightly- get over nagging about it. *cough* Slightly. I give the director dude a cookie for attempting to create the 'realistic feel' to it, but it still looks like they didn't throw in the effort. Atleast, in some scenes (particularly the middle part), I didn't mind. Compared to first episode, this one had some potential. I'm still giving this a shot. The pacing better speed up, though. (Kasuga's frantic screaming was hilarious, btw.) |
| Didn't enjoy this episode quite as much as the first, but it was still very solid. I like how they emphasized how fucked up it is to steal someone's gym clothes, while other anime make it seem like a fairly normal thing to do. You could tell just how stressed out and uncomfortable Kasuga was. It was making me uncomfortable. Shivers. Between the animation and the voice acting, this anime continues to be the anti-moe. |
LoneWolf said: @Josh makes me sad to call myself Canadian. |
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