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| Right now you can see 30 pages of that book that symbv mentioned in his Post #80. Here's how: 1. Click on the link provided by symbv above in his post #80. 2. Click on the adorable girl wearing glasses. 3. Just to the right side of the book image, there is a small blue arrow which appears and disappears depending on where you located the mouse. 4. Slowly (just once) click on this blue arrow. 5. You can see 30 pages of the book. 6. Immediately above each page is a small button labeled 拡大+ 7. In fact, there are two small buttons. I am talking about the right button. 8. Press the 拡大+ button multiple times to increase the image size. 9. You can also make it smaller by pressing the button to the left. 10. Your "PageUp" and "PageDown" keys are even more convenient to use to get from one page to the next page. 11. If you have a mouse wheel on your mouse, that is the most convenient way to comfortably scroll down through the entire 30 pages that they let you see. In fact, the book is 194 pages long. Thank you, symbv, for this link. |
okanaganMar 20, 2013 1:10 AM
| worth the wait. Garupan/10 |
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| Great Episode, That was certainly worth the wait that Maus was a Beast! |
| Great Episode with a lot of action packed in!!! Great play by Miho to help her team and that MAUS is so dominant. Wonder how the team will win against that? Looking forward to the next episode!!! |
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| Yes, finally! Awesome episode, specially after such a long break :) Damn, that Maus surprised me xD How can you even hope to stop that monster? Well, I guess Miho will come up with a strategy |
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silverlight001 said: Anybody know what kind of range-finder did Yukari use in this episode? It's about 15:58. I only saw this pic on Twitter. Hope this helps. |
| ^ Thanks for your pic above, using this I find that it is a German Entfernungsmesser (range finer) http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Bundesarchiv_Bild_183-J08361,_Entfernungsmesser_einer_Vierlings-Flak.jpg |
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
| It's a MAUS trap!!! After 3 months of waiting(and a bit of torture) it's finally back. And it reminded how It brings a smile to my face and why it's so good to watch every episode over and over again. Miho has once again impresses us again with her amazing tactics and turtle teams trolling tactics like they did against the Pravda team. I'm amaze how high she can jump. I never expect her to be that athletic. More badass points for her their. While team turtles' harassment was the most hilarious part, seeing Erika lose her composure had me smiling from ear to ear. The moment Miho's team chased the Panzer III(fast and agile little brute) I knew it would be a trap because is already happen before. I thought that thing was leading them to Maho's many tanks but to see a HUGE tank the looks like a fortress had me widening my eyes. I laugh when the girls thought it was a gate or a wall. I end up watching Commiesubs because Hiryuu's subs will take a week. I can't wait that long! lol |
Magito said: And something that got me smiling even broader is this scene with Erika:seeing Erika lose her composure had me smiling from ear to ear.l |
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
symbv said: Magito said: And something that got me smiling even broader is this scene with Erika:seeing Erika lose her composure had me smiling from ear to ear.l Same scene that I was referring to. Seeing her go bonkers is a sight to see. That's what she get for belittling Miho's team. Also, choosing the auto club for Tiger P was the perfect choice since it gets mechanical problems quite easily. It was even badass when they destroyed the bridge. Repairing the tank on the move was awesome. |
MagitoMar 20, 2013 8:26 AM
Magito said: But I am talking about the girl who is kneeling next to Erika... Don't you feel that she would have a glimpse of Erika's ***** ? LOLSame scene that I was referring to. Seeing her go bonkers is a sight to see. |
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
okanagan said: There was another tank girl manga with 3 junior high students that own a Panzer III i think.Right now you can see 30 pages of that book that symbv mentioned in his Post #80. Here's how: 1. Click on the link provided by symbv above in his post #80. 2. Click on the adorable girl wearing glasses. 3. Just to the right side of the book image, there is a small blue arrow which appears and disappears depending on where you located the mouse. 4. Slowly (just once) click on this blue arrow. 5. You can see 30 pages of the book. 6. Immediately above each page is a small button labeled 拡大+ 7. In fact, there are two small buttons. I am talking about the right button. 8. Press the 拡大+ button multiple times to increase the image size. 9. You can also make it smaller by pressing the button to the left. 10. Your "PageUp" and "PageDown" keys are even more convenient to use to get from one page to the next page. 11. If you have a mouse wheel on your mouse, that is the most convenient way to comfortably scroll down through the entire 30 pages that they let you see. In fact, the book is 194 pages long. Thank you, symbv, for this link. The art of the manga on that Amazon page looks a lot like it i can't remember the name of it though. |
symbv said: Magito said: But I am talking about the girl who is kneeling next to Erika... Don't you feel that she would have a glimpse of Erika's ***** ? LOLSame scene that I was referring to. Seeing her go bonkers is a sight to see. Oh Sorry. I didn't saw your comment below the picture. Most probably yes. She did have a good angle of view. But I think she's more amuse on seeing Erika going crazy. Thinking of Pantsu. I remember the director posted on the blog said, he won't allow fanservice but the staff are welcome to try and sneak one scene. |
Aversa said: That must be セーラー服と重戦車 (Sailor-fuku to Juu-sensha / Sailor suit and Heavy tank). It is by the same artist who did the illustration for Moe-yo Sensha-gakkou, Takeshi Nogami. There was another tank girl manga with 3 junior high students that own a Panzer III i think. The art of the manga on that Amazon page looks a lot like it i can't remember the name of it though. By the way, although Moe-yo Sensha-gakkou has some manga, it is not categorized as a manga because the vast majority of the pages are text (with some illustrations or archive photos) that explains everything about tanks, its structure, mechanism, armament, tactics, history, national difference, historical usage etc etc. So in bookstore it is actually placed in "non-fiction history/military" section, not manga section. And the book was so popular that it spawned at least 5 sequels, and that was the days long before Girls und Panzer (or even Strike Witches). |
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
| It's the same book that Saki read on Ep2 |
symbv said: Aversa said: That must be セーラー服と重戦車 (Sailor-fuku to Juu-sensha / Sailor suit and Heavy tank). It is by the same artist who did the illustration for Moe-yo Sensha-gakkou, Takeshi Nogami. There was another tank girl manga with 3 junior high students that own a Panzer III i think. The art of the manga on that Amazon page looks a lot like it i can't remember the name of it though. By the way, although Moe-yo Sensha-gakkou has some manga, it is not categorized as a manga because the vast majority of the pages are text (with some illustrations or archive photos) that explains everything about tanks, its structure, mechanism, armament, tactics, history, national difference, historical usage etc etc. So in bookstore it is actually placed in "non-fiction history/military" section, not manga section. And the book was so popular that it spawned at least 5 sequels, and that was the days long before Girls und Panzer (or even Strike Witches). Cool info! I think that what's they got the idea of creating Girls und Panzer from! |
Magito said: symbv said: Magito said: But I am talking about the girl who is kneeling next to Erika... Don't you feel that she would have a glimpse of Erika's ***** ? LOLSame scene that I was referring to. Seeing her go bonkers is a sight to see. Oh Sorry. I didn't saw your comment below the picture. Most probably yes. She did have a good angle of view. But I think she's more amuse on seeing Erika going crazy. Thinking of Pantsu. I remember the director posted on the blog said, he won't allow fanservice but the staff are welcome to try and sneak one scene. Yes he did.Let's hope they can surprise us all in the last episode. |
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| Yes, finally the continuation of this epic battle and I wasn't disappointed! Lots of action and great strategies. Damn, that Maus was really something. It really made a dent into their team. It's unbelievable how outnumbered they are. If wonder if Nishizono can really beat her sister like this. Looking forward to the conclusion! |
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| Was that the Panzer III observing them while Oorai were crossing the bridge, the ones who lured them in to the Maus? |
| Oh how I missed this show. Great action packed ep. I see that delay really payed off. It looked fantastic! |
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| The Maus hits the Mallard ! We all saw the scene where the Panzer VIII Maus shot the Renault B1 bis at point-blank range. The Mallard team (commander=Sodoko, driver=Gomoyo, radio=Pazomi) got knocked backwards and their tank ended up upside-down. The reality is a bit different. Type of gun: 12.8 cm Pak 44 Mass of projectile: Maybe 26.4 kg to 28.3 kg Muzzle velocity: 935 m/s Mass of Renault B1 bis: 28000 kg To figure out what happens when the projectile hits the tank, you use momentum conservation. One assumption is that the projectile hits the tank and sticks to it. However, the worst possible case is that the projectile bounces back with the same speed as before. This doubles the momentum that is transferred. So the equation is: 2*(28.3 kg)*(935 m/s) = (28000 kg)*v The answer is: v = 1.9 m/s So, right after it gets hit, Sodoko's tank could be sliding backwards at as much as 1.9 m/s. A reasonable assumption, given such a slow speed, is that it skids backwards and comes to a stop. The coefficient of friction between metal tank tracks on pavement is hard to estimate, but perhaps 0.3 is in the right ballpark. The acceleration is: a = 0.3*9.8 = 2.94 m/s^2 v^2 = 2 * a * d where v = 1.9 m/s The result: d = 0.61 m So, basically, the most violent thing that could possibly happen is that the tank holding the three Discipline Committee girls slides backwards by 0.61 m. There is nowhere near the amount of momentum transfer that would be necessary for their tank to flip over backwards. As I recall, Director Tsutomu Mizushima told people that he was willing to correct any technical mistakes for when the Blu-ray comes out. So I guess we could ask him to cut out that epic scene and replace it with the B1 bis simply sliding backwards by 0.61 m. On the other hand... |
okanaganMar 21, 2013 5:36 AM
| @okanagan: I think it's alright as it is. They should focus on minor errors to fix and not whole scenes. Besides, I think if this is reality, the Char B1 Bis should have been destroyed by now. But this is the GuPverse, the tank is protected by "carbon coating" so that tank crews will be safe when hit. |
zenjamibuMar 21, 2013 6:33 AM
| These girls are strong: I can see the big improvement of the animation quality, however the story become more oblivious of some minor plot hole, perhaps it was caused by some scene that is lost during the editing. For example, the non-existence of rope detaching scene after they crossed the river. Magito said: Was that the Panzer III observing them while Oorai were crossing the bridge, the ones who lured them in to the Maus? No, I think that's the rear guard Panzer that chase the Turtle team into the woods. The one that lured them probably a different panzer. Catastrophic said: i had forgotten how enjoyable this was :3 but seriously, who keeps telling them to pursuit an enemy under clear numeric disadvantage?? :/ But that's the basic of battle strategy when you're outnumbered. Chip the enemy force little by little while maintaining mobility. Even if it's just one tank. Besides, they don't want to lose the strategic advantages of their team high mobility, if someone could pinpoint their moves and destination, the enemy with the higher firepower would simply overwhelm their team. Just like the Maus trap. |
azzuReMar 21, 2013 2:04 PM
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| oldskoolpunk wrote: . . . that scene from Kelly's Heroes a few episodes back, where a Tiger gets caught in a narrow lane, which foreshadows this scene. I can't even think about the Tiger scene in Kelly's Heroes without starting to cry ! If there is anybody who has not seen the excellent Wikipedia article about the Panzer VIII Maus, it is worth a very careful read. However, one thing was never made clear. What would be the tactical situation in which a Maus was intended to be used? For example, was it designed for use in close-quarters fighting in an urban environment ? ? ? |
| YabaBaga wrote: My favorite scene is at 16:50 when the Hetzer is seen sneaking up again, Maho calmly orders someone to deal with it. Maho never even saw the Hetzer. She just heard the sound. Based on that, she knew that it was at her 7-o-clock. She only turned her head slightly to the left before giving the order. That scene is a beautiful illustration of Maho's remarkable skill at Senshado. - - - - - - YabaBaga asked: Isn't the main gun on the Maus the same one as on the Jagdtiger? That is correct. It is the 12.8 cm PaK 44 L/55 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/12.8_cm_PaK_44 However, Hitler saw the wooden mockup and said that the 128 mm gun was too small, and he wanted them to up-gun it to 150 mm. Based on that, it would be legitimate for Kuromorimine to use the larger gun on their Maus. |
okanaganMar 21, 2013 4:14 PM
oldskoolpunk said: How did the Maus get past the tanks it shot up? The Maus is in a narrow street, and shot up Duck Team. At 21:06, Duck Team's upside down tank is clearly blocking the street. The Maus is too big to pass another tank in that space, let alone one that's upside down in the middle of the street. But at 21:37, the Maus just rolls by the Duck. The oversized Maus should have been trapped. That's a continuity error, and an important one. Especially since that scene from Kelly's Heroes a few episodes back, where a Tiger gets caught in a narrow lane, which foreshadows this scene. The road is not as narrow as it seems. The road is able to occupy two tanks side by side when the Oarai team entered it. Also, The Maus slightly turned to the right when passing the Mallard's Char B1 Bis. |
zenjamibuMar 21, 2013 4:04 PM
| yes,NIshizumi has to think of a way to deal with the Maus...One way is to just run from it,another would be that the tiger p sneaks behind it and shoots it in the back |
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| Simply running away from the Maus sounds like a good idea. The prototype was extremely slow. The engine was not powerful enough, apparently. One way of thinking about the Maus is that it is a very heavily armoured 128 mm stationary gun. So you simply decide to locate it in some place, and the large open region surrounding it is then denied to the enemy. I don't understand why Maho didn't choose to deploy it in this way. So far, the Maus has fired five rounds. It was only designed to carry 32 rounds. The girls won't have to wait long before the Maus is out of ammo. |
okanaganMar 22, 2013 5:46 PM
| Ikuinen wrote: a large open region would mean they have plenty of space to out meneuver it, Right. The Maus would be unable to do anything about tanks who wanted to cross the space around it. However, there would be a 3000-yard radius where enemy tanks would not be able to come to a halt. This would limit their freedom to some degree. I can't see how else to employ the Maus. its gun is extremely slow. Right. Anyways, for one World War II tank to hit another WWII tank in motion was not expected. So I am not sure that rate-of-traverse would be an issue except in close-quarters fights. I guess that the rate-of-fire of the Maus was low. Again, that would not be an issue if its purpose was just to deter stationary targets within its kill circle. They seem to have purposely set up this trap preemtively where our team couldnt escape fast enough before the maus got a few shots in at least. You could be right. If you position the Maus in plain sight, everybody is going to see it. So nobody will approach it. The Maus can't quickly move. Therefore, it is not likely that the Maus is going to be scoring kills. It only denies territory. Like you say, positioning the Maus in the city opens up some possibilities. However, the only great advantage of the Maus is its ability to kill Ooarai's Porsche Tiger. Ooarai's other tanks have thin armor that could be penetrated by most of Kuromorimine's tanks. Perhaps Kuromorimine was particularly scared of the Tiger since it could take out their flag tank with just one shot. the Stug team really should have left the hubris and just run for it. Right. Miho's "retreat" order came just 36 seconds after the very first glimpse of the Maus. Miho did the right thing. However, the Mallard team and the History team did not comply. Hence they were killed. Miho's greatest weakness as a commander is that her troops sometimes don't follow her. That almost lost them the fight against Pravda. Patton said that he wanted his troops to fear him more than they feared the Germans. In the St. Gloriana fight, the Rabbit Team panicked and abandoned their still-functional tank. Miho should have arbitrarily picked one of the six girls, charged her with abandoning her post under fire, and had her shot the same day. That would not have won Miho friends, but it had to be done. Black Forest has already considered the weaknesses of the Maus. Agreed. Maho never does anything stupid. |
okanaganMar 23, 2013 2:34 AM
okanagan said: Shot? Come on, senshado is sports not military, man.Miho should have arbitrarily picked one of the six girls, charged her with abandoning her post under fire, and had her shot the same day. That would not have won Miho friends, but it had to be done. |
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
| Symbv wrote: Shot? Come on, senshado is sports not military, man. I agree I was too harsh. All of the six first-year girls on the Rabbit Team should have to wear a sign around their necks for a day as a punishment. |
| Newnar wrote: Did you consider the most probable situation, which is actually the shell completely penetrating the B1 from the front and coming out from the other end? Early in the series, during the fight against St. Gloriana, Miho told Saori that the inside of the tanks was coated with "carbon" so as to protect them. I have always assumed that this unspecified "carbon coating" had the ability to prevent projectiles entering the crew compartment. It would prevent spalling as well. So, based on that, I assumed that the 128-mm projectile had to bounce off the B1 bis. It is horrible to contemplate what would actually happen if a Char B1 bis got hit by one of those 128-mm projectiles at point-blank range. However, as I explained above, the tank would certainly not flip over backwards. |
okanaganMar 23, 2013 5:22 AM
| There is no way a shell will penetrate a tank in GirlPan's world. The setting is such that the crew inside the tank will always be protected against shell hit. |
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
| Though,something is on my mind... If they have a Maus,a Jagdtiger,Ferdinads,Tiger II's then why is a Tiger their flag tank? Alright,the Maus is perhaps too slow to be a flag tank but the other tanks are about as fast as a Tiger and yet they have better guns and more armor. |
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bluedragon777 said: Though,something is on my mind... If they have a Maus,a Jagdtiger,Ferdinads,Tiger II's then why is a Tiger their flag tank? Alright,the Maus is perhaps too slow to be a flag tank but the other tanks are about as fast as a Tiger and yet they have better guns and more armor. Well, this is the final round whicj your enemy will probably bring out everything they got. I think Maho feels safer to command the flag tank by herself no mater what model it is. Moreover, with her skill and her team, it not that Ooarai can easily come and destroy her tank. Miho probably think the same so she makes her Panzer 4 the flag tank this time. |
| Still,seems like a bad excuse... |
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| The judges pick the flag tank of each team via lottery, it's in the Senshado rules. |
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| lol, didn't know that... |
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| Just something fun I noticed :D (pics in spoilers because size) So, we have this scene where I laugh at that line of thought... ...followed by a short chase and then, at this exact point... ...I put my hands above my head and yell "Oh mein Gott, Maus!"... ...followed by awkward silence as I realise I just identified the Maus only be seeing a part of the fuel tank and the very rear end, leading to the exact same line of thought Miho just had -.- |
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| I had a feeling they would throw in the legendary Maus, I guess the Landkreuzer P. 1000 Ratte would have been overkill even in this show. Excellent episode though, Miho is a superb tactician, I hope they end up winning. Maho wasn't bad either, reading the map while everyone was firing around her, she clearly doesn't give a rat's ass. 5/5 |
| That episode went by fast. On to the next one. |
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