HurricaneSweet said: Nidhoeggr said: HurricaneSweet said: Jojo was influenced heavily by One Piece anyway... What? I mean really, the over-the-top with the screaming and all, it's obvious Joseph was based on Ussop and Caesar on Sanji~ Most of it really was based on OP which really helped it become popular JoJo came out in the 80s one piece came out in the 90s do the math |
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| Okuyasu was a direct ripoff of Usopp... Do you guys even lift? |
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HurricaneSweet said: I was...sarcasm... if you didn't put a "/s" beforehand and only say that you were trolling/sarcastic after being pointed out for making an idiotic statement, it sounds more like a sore loser to me really. |
HurricaneSweet said: Nidhoeggr said: HurricaneSweet said: Jojo was influenced heavily by One Piece anyway... What? I mean really, the over-the-top with the screaming and all, it's obvious Joseph was based on Ussop and Caesar on Sanji~ Most of it really was based on OP which really helped it become popular I love this post. |
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ssjokg said: On the contrary, I think it was average in part1 but surely it got better later. And the WTF moments are frequently the entertaining moments. I am sure that I will be flamed for that but anyway. I think that Jojo is only average or actually,it became average in the mid of part1.The only reason that I read past part1 was because I knew that it will have even more WTF moments so I read it more out of curiosity than entertainment. ssjokg said: Here I am sure you deserve to be flamed because in this thread it is mostly about its influence and legacy. If you don't give shit about its influence and how other series may be inspired by it, then you should get flamed by posting that you don't care about this in a thread that is mainly about it.Then there is the legacy thing.I dont care.Honestly I dont give two shits if EVERYTHING I watch or read was influenced by JoJo. |
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
symbv said: ssjokg said: On the contrary, I think it was average in part1 but surely it got better later. And the WTF moments are frequently the entertaining moments. I am sure that I will be flamed for that but anyway. I think that Jojo is only average or actually,it became average in the mid of part1.The only reason that I read past part1 was because I knew that it will have even more WTF moments so I read it more out of curiosity than entertainment. ssjokg said: Here I am sure you deserve to be flamed because in this thread it is mostly about its influence and legacy. If you don't give shit about its influence and how other series may be inspired by it, then you should get flamed by posting that you don't care about this in a thread that is mainly about it.Then there is the legacy thing.I dont care.Honestly I dont give two shits if EVERYTHING I watch or read was influenced by JoJo. If it gets better while following the same pattern then I see no reason for me to be entertained more than I do now. ssjokg said: I will thank the author for it but I wont force myself to like it because of that. ^This is my point.Many keep saying how it is the best just because of its influence.I dont see the reason at all to praise the story,plot,characters because the authors of the series I enjoy were influenced by it. It is good that something existed that other series could "borrow" elements from but thats doesnt make it any better for me. When someone doesnt find Jojo or other series that inspired today's series good and most of the replies he gets is "Jojo influenced almost everything...etc" then of course I will point out that it doesnt matter at all. |
ssjokg said: Well I see your point.. It is like saying that you love some modern paintings but it does not mean you need to love those 19th century or medieval paintings that influenced them, no matter how great their influence may be. I can certainly accept that. On the other hand, as much as I am not a fan of this genre (manly gar type of combat) and I have stopped following shounen battle manga for a long time, there is still no denial that JoJo is indeed very influential. It is so influential that in Japan there are a sizable following from the female demography and it is often brought up in mainstream TV shows. Something you don't see happening in this kind of manga, not even Gintama -- with the only exception being One Piece.Many keep saying how it is the best just because of its influence.I dont see the reason at all to praise the story,plot,characters because the authors of the series I enjoy were influenced by it. It is good that something existed that other series could "borrow" elements from but thats doesnt make it any better for me. When someone doesnt find Jojo or other series that inspired today's series good and most of the replies he gets is "Jojo influenced almost everything...etc" then of course I will point out that it doesnt matter at all. |
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
| I would suggest ssjokg to try out Steel Ball Run and see if his opinion still stands :D |
symbv said: On the other hand, as much as I am not a fan of this genre (manly gar type of combat) and I have stopped following shounen battle manga for a long time, there is still no denial that JoJo is indeed very influential. It is so influential that in Japan there are a sizable following from the female demography and it is often brought up in mainstream TV shows. Something you don't see happening in this kind of manga, not even Gintama -- with the only exception being One Piece. The only reason I keep reading Naruto and Bleach is because I want to see the end after 500+ chapters.I find it silly dropping when now when I read it for free anyway. As I said before I dont mind other people mentioning how influential Jojo is and I dont deny that it is.The problem is that they use that to prove that it is without a doubt a masterpiece for everyone(or at least anyone that doesnt watch "moeshit" as someone else said). |
jeroz said: I am still in the middle of part 2 but I do plan to read them all.And as I said, if it still follows the same pattern then I doubt that my opinion of Jojo will change much.I may find it a bit more entertaining but definitely not as much other people do.I would suggest ssjokg to try out Steel Ball Run and see if his opinion still stands :D |
ssjokg said: Well, it would be silly for me as I find time to be more valuable - money wise it may be free but time spent is not free. I have graduated from mindlessly chasing the end of shounen manga long time ago as the effort seldom seems worth it, after all the letdown I have been through reading the end of Dragonball or City Hunter. The only reason I keep reading Naruto and Bleach is because I want to see the end after 500+ chapters.I find it silly dropping when now when I read it for free anyway. ssjokg said: Well, a work that is very influential and inspiring also has a high likelihood of being called a masterpiece, right? Granted I have full sympathy when this kind of argument is used by moe-hater as a convenient tool to boost (falsely) their claim that anti-moe is the best.As I said before I dont mind other people mentioning how influential Jojo is and I dont deny that it is.The problem is that they use that to prove that it is without a doubt a masterpiece for everyone(or at least anyone that doesnt watch "moeshit" as someone else said). |
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
symbv said: ssjokg said: Well, it would be silly for me as I find time to be more valuable - money wise it may be free but time spent is not free. I have graduated from mindlessly chasing the end of shounen manga long time ago as the effort seldom seems worth it, after all the letdown I have been through reading the end of Dragonball or City Hunter. The only reason I keep reading Naruto and Bleach is because I want to see the end after 500+ chapters.I find it silly dropping when now when I read it for free anyway. Well less than 5 minutes for each, every week, isnt that much time when you have nothing to do for those few minutes anyway. |
ssjokg said: Well, time adds up you know. Besides I consider the impact on my brain with those grossly anticlimactic endings something negative -- I still don't know why some parts of my brain are still being used up to hold the memory of those never ending stories and uninspiring endings after all these many years. I would love to free those memory space to take up something more useful.Well less than 5 minutes for each, every week, isnt that much time when you have nothing to do for those few minutes anyway. |
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
symbv said: Give me half a year after the end of those series and I will forget everything except their name and quality as I perceived it.It happened for Tenjou Tenge and Ga-rei that had far less chapters than most Shounen.ssjokg said: Well, time adds up you know. Besides I consider the impact on my brain with those grossly anticlimactic endings something negative -- I still don't know why some parts of my brain are still being used up to hold the memory of those never ending stories and uninspiring endings after all these many years. I would love to free those memory space to take up something more useful.Well less than 5 minutes for each, every week, isnt that much time when you have nothing to do for those few minutes anyway. |
ssjokgMar 11, 2013 7:10 AM
ssjokg said: Good for you then. To me, a really bad story or ending can stick in brain for much longer than I'd like to. And for really bad, it can mean really boring too. Give me half a year after the end of those series and I will forgot everything except their name and quality as I perceived it.It happened for Tenjou Tenge and Ga-rei that had far less chapters than most Shounen. Well, at least to me Tenjou Tenge and Ga-rei are far from that level compared to City Hunter and Dragonball.... |
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
| Why would you even want to see an end of City Hunter or DB? I'm completely the opposite, I want them to go on forever and I keep returning later, rewatching my favorite episodes. |
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Boltz said: You think I want to see an end of City Hunter?? The manga ends and when you follows the manga you came to read the end of the manga. But actually the last dozens of chapters of City Hunter are pretty boring, so come to think of it, yes I indeed wanted to see how the manga was going to end. Why would you even want to see an end of City Hunter or DB? I'm completely the opposite, I want them to go on forever and I keep returning later, rewatching my favorite episodes. Note that I have been talking about the manga all along though (seems that you are talking about the anime?) |
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
| Oh yeah, sry, I haven't finished manga yet. |
| (|__/) Never give up, aim for the top! (='.'=) Top wo nerae! o(")(") Anime music: http://myanimelist.net/blog.php?eid=777199 |
| it like Dragon Ball Z Kai with out making Dragonball Z all jojo fan was mad that there no anime for long time but if they want to make it right with out add 200 Filers to the story i say will done JOJO |
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symbv said: Well, time adds up you know. Besides I consider the impact on my brain with those grossly anticlimactic endings something negative -- I still don't know why some parts of my brain are still being used up to hold the memory of those never ending stories and uninspiring endings after all these many years. I would love to free those memory space to take up something more useful. Wait, what manga are we talking about now? Most of the Jojo parts have anti-climactic endings to their final battles. It's like Araki's favorite type of ending. |
almozayaf said: it like Dragon Ball Z Kai with out making Dragonball Z all jojo fan was mad that there no anime for long time but if they want to make it right with out add 200 Filers to the story i say will done JOJO I was actually hoping for JoJo not to get an Anime... The newfag fanbase is terribad. |
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| ^ Not directing this at anyone but it's actually the oldfag gen with the "go read teh mengeh" that's annoying, the newfag gen, including me, are just enjoying it without bitching about stuff. (by not bitching I mean we don't try to show off our superiority by what we know of the series, criticism is still due) |
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x5exotic said: ^ Not directing this at anyone but it's actually the oldfag gen with the "go read teh mengeh" that's annoying, the newfag gen, including me, are just enjoying it without bitching about stuff. (by not bitching I mean we don't try to show off our superiority by what we know of the series, criticism is still due) You totally directed that at me... Well.. I see your point, and that's definitely the mindset 80% of us Manga oldfags carry, but when I tried to listen to Roundabout on Youtube, before even realizing they used it as JoJo's ed... I shouldn't have to bear the once clean comments section, flooded with you guys circle jerking about this "new" "JoJo Bizarre Adventures" anime that started airing. And then after Caesar's fight... fluffybunnyboy said: Most of the Jojo parts have anti-climactic endings to their final battles. It's like Araki's favorite type of ending. Examples? I only considered part 7's ending to be a bit anticlimactic personally... And Part 5's was a bit dissapointing, due to a lack of character development for Diavolo, but I wouldn't say anticlimactic... Gold Experience Requim reduces anything that stands against it to 0... Pretty badass when you think about it. But apart from all that, I thought the others ended amazingly. |
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| Why would I direct this at you? :O Besides I don't like Roundabout that much so I'm pretty sure I can't relate to that youtube video experience you had But i'd still be excited that the anime is getting recognition and so.... |
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fluffybunnyboy said: If you have followed the posts I made before the one you quoted, you should know I was talking about City Hunter and Dragonball.symbv said: Well, time adds up you know. Besides I consider the impact on my brain with those grossly anticlimactic endings something negative -- I still don't know why some parts of my brain are still being used up to hold the memory of those never ending stories and uninspiring endings after all these many years. I would love to free those memory space to take up something more useful. Wait, what manga are we talking about now? Most of the Jojo parts have anti-climactic endings to their final battles. It's like Araki's favorite type of ending. |
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
symbv said: If you have followed the posts I made before the one you quoted, you should know I was talking about City Hunter and Dragonball. I know. It was a rhetorical question. =P I was saying that because the "final battles" in Jojo usually end in a rather anti-climactic way. You keep hoping that a Jojo villain will be finished off by some amazing strategy that the protagonist(s) come up with (because that is what Jojo is known for, right?), but instead it's more like: Like I said: It must be Araki's favorite way of concluding his works. |
fluffybunnyboyMar 13, 2013 4:32 PM
fluffybunnyboy said: Did you confuse me with someone else? I never said I want a Jojo villain to be finished off by some amazing strategy... Or is it again another rhetorical question you are having??You keep hoping that a Jojo villain will be finished off by some amazing strategy that the protagonist(s) come up with (because that is what Jojo is known for, right?), but instead it's more like. |
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
symbv said: Did you confuse me with someone else? I never said I want a Jojo villain to be finished off by some amazing strategy... Or is it again another rhetorical question you are having?? I like that you want to talk semantics rather than addressing the point of my post - which is that Jojo has had its own lion's share of crappy endings, and is thus not free from the same criticisms that you were directing at other manga. =P |
fluffybunnyboy said: Well, I talk about semantics and not addressing your point because your point is not clear to me. Now that you have explained it, then I can see you have never really read through my posts. I mentioned the other shounen manga because I said I gave up chasing shounen manga long time ago. And that INCLUDES Jojo the manga too. But apparently you are thinking I am a fan of Jojo manga, which I never said I was. So it is back to my original point - that you must have got confused.I like that you want to talk semantics rather than addressing the point of my post - which is that Jojo has had its own lion's share of crappy endings, and is thus not free from the same criticisms that you were directing at other manga. =P |
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
| JoJo is superfun, but honestly I wouldn't want to see another series attempt to do what it does. JoJo is enjoyable because it's unique and isn't doing what every other shounen is doing. I'll miss it when it's gone, but I wouldn't want to see anything take it's place either. |
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symbv said: Well, I talk about semantics and not addressing your point because your point is not clear to me. Now that you have explained it, then I can see you have never really read through my posts. I mentioned the other shounen manga because I said I gave up chasing shounen manga long time ago. And that INCLUDES Jojo the manga too. But apparently you are thinking I am a fan of Jojo manga, which I never said I was. So it is back to my original point - that you must have got confused. Really? Strange, I thought that you were one of the regular Jojo fans who posts around here. I think I must have been mistaking you for a different member. My bad, then. |
fluffybunnyboy said: I only posted here about JoJo anime. I posted in this thread when the topic touches on shounen battle manga in general, as I have read (chased) a couple in the past, but I said in one post in this thread that I no longer do so now. And I have hardly read any JoJo manga, except in fragments and pieces. Glad that the misunderstanding is cleared up.Really? Strange, I thought that you were one of the regular Jojo fans who posts around here. I think I must have been mistaking you for a different member. My bad, then. |
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
| Jojo is indeed very fun. And it's the best adaption since...both of the adaptions of Hunter x Hunter hah (thank god it got the loving and Yuyu Hakusho. I like One Piece a lot and it does a lot of things right, but the adaption is still quite poorly paced because of having to wait for the manga. Basically more shounens would be equally enjoyable if they had the same amount of love put into them (and having no filler, filler is criminal). |
hyperknees91 said: Jojo is indeed very fun. And it's the best adaption since...both of the adaptions of Hunter x Hunter hah (thank god it got the loving and Yuyu Hakusho. I like One Piece a lot and it does a lot of things right, but the adaption is still quite poorly paced because of having to wait for the manga. Basically more shounens would be equally enjoyable if they had the same amount of love put into them (and having no filler, filler is criminal). One Piece had a decent adaption till the end of Skypeia/Water 7. Toei really made bad decisions in later arcs. I agree with your statement: More companies should focus on being as close to the manga as possible (I'm looking at you, A-1!). |
| Steel Ball Run anime when? |
| ^ If they can come up with better content, they don't have to... (i'm looking at you Bones) |
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| BONES endings are not Gainax endings, but they don't have a good reputation either. Long Shounen adaptions should be more seasonal than forever on-going.I'll gladly miss out on some of the rare filler gems like some FMA parts or the G8 arc in OP when it means I will get better adaptions as a whole. Ultimately, people who prefer anime profit from that as well the staff has more time to plan the budget, pacing, etc. Also, they don't have to start from scratch again once they pick up the original source. |
| Steel Ball Run anime when? |
HurricaneSweet said: dont you think that Bleach was kinda late to realize that?^ Not really, Magi and Exorcist are all screwed and they are seasonal Long anime should do it like Bleach, wait for the manga or something |
Candor said: doesnt change how bad all these fillers were.ssjokg said: Well if they stopped after Aizen's arc and they want to continue animating the series they'd have to animate the shitbtinger arc. This way if there are plans for a 2nd season they'd start from the final arc directly.HurricaneSweet said: dont you think that Bleach was kinda late to realize that?^ Not really, Magi and Exorcist are all screwed and they are seasonal Long anime should do it like Bleach, wait for the manga or something |
HurricaneSweet said: ^ Not really, Magi and Exorcist are all screwed and they are seasonal Long anime should do it like Bleach, wait for the manga or something I mean, seasonal without filler. Can't really blame the series for being adapted by the idiots from A-1 who have SERIOUS problems with action shows lately. Black Lagoon did it right. Even the staff behind Bleach and Fairy Tail are thinking about it and decided to pause it until there is enough material again. Why can't more people be so smart? The quality would improve greatly. |
| Steel Ball Run anime when? |
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