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| THIS IS A MANGA ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS ANYTHING BEYOND THIS CHAPTER. ---------------------------------------- So it seems we´ll have a Kaname x Yuuki end. Zero, the underdog till the very end. poor guy. I actually hated this chapter (Why didnt i drop this?...) It seems Zero is okay with being forever friends with Yuuki. Yuuki told Zero "I belong to Kaname". Okay.... LOLOLOLOL |
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| I feel sick to my stomach... Yuuki... with Kaname? After all of this? I suffered through the wretched Yume moments for nothing? Zero gets nothing? Honestly, I wish I never started reading the manga or watched the anime. Then I wouldn't be all upset about a character I empathize with. And since it's fiction I can't do a thing to change it. What the &*^$ do people see in Kaname? Ya know what, nevermind. I don't even want to know how anyone can like him. *goes in a corner and whimpers* |
Arurie said: I feel sick to my stomach... Yuuki... with Kaname? After all of this? I suffered through the wretched Yume moments for nothing? Zero gets nothing? Honestly, I wish I never started reading the manga or watched the anime. Then I wouldn't be all upset about a character I empathize with. And since it's fiction I can't do a thing to change it. What the &*^$ do people see in Kaname? Ya know what, nevermind. I don't even want to know how anyone can like him. *goes in a corner and whimpers* I feel the same. To be more specific the only reason I kept reading this boring manga was only because of Zero. Its frustrating. |
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| hey remember when this series had good suspense and interesting plot points? yah where has that been these past 3 years. oh and the kaname x yuuki reinforcement just made this already terrible series even worse, only reason im still sticking around is the possibility that kaname will die, to see such a horrible written, downright evil character go down woudl easily make me give this an extra point, but seeing how downright retardedly written this series has become i can only imagine that they will paint kaname as a hero and make zero a "bad guy" in the end Jaymie said: well these legitimate fans are expecting WAAAAAAAY to much from a series that disappoints at every turn, i really cant see this series trying to pull off a emotional enduring ending like that especially with the writing of recentNothing in the chapter indicated a Yuuki x Kaname end. It just reinforced that Yuuki and Zero won't end up together, either. But Vampire Knight was described as a tragic romance from the very first volume so legitimate fans have already been emotionally prepared for years for the fact that no one will end up together in the end. also about your statement that the people complaining are disgusting, i dont know what is more disgusting, people getting so worked up over a stupid ship or someone trying to defend this peice of shit, hint hint, its the ladder |
JizzyHitlerSep 23, 2012 2:41 PM
Immahnoob said: Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit, tokiyashiro said: Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me |
Orulyon said: Arurie said: I feel sick to my stomach... Yuuki... with Kaname? After all of this? I suffered through the wretched Yume moments for nothing? Zero gets nothing? Honestly, I wish I never started reading the manga or watched the anime. Then I wouldn't be all upset about a character I empathize with. And since it's fiction I can't do a thing to change it. What the &*^$ do people see in Kaname? Ya know what, nevermind. I don't even want to know how anyone can like him. *goes in a corner and whimpers* I feel the same. To be more specific the only reason I kept reading this boring manga was only because of Zero. Its frustrating. Same here. :I I read VK for Zero & Yuuki x Zero. I thought when Yuuki cut off her hair and finally when't back to her old self she would be together with Zero again, but now... I just want to cry. I feel sorry for Zero. |
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| Wow @ Color page! Those vampires who survived supporting Yuuki for chasing Kaname, even Zero. lol @ Kaito, and more @ chairman. Yuuki told Zero she cannot be with him at her house, and she's just following the fate? Zero still cherishes the meeting with her, so he's going with her. |
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| Aww, I'm glad I'm not the only one who kept reading this for Zero. ;w; I give up on Zeki... it would be nice, but... Yuuki does not even deserve him. She was a cool character once, but she threw it all away to be an obedient little pureblood for a guy she's "fated to be with." Gag. My only solace is that it is finally ending... so we can all get some closure and leave this crap behind forever. Hopefully Zero will be happy and Kaname will die. As for Yuuki... I don't even care at this point. @DJIzzy: Yes I do remember when the manga was good. Those were the days, huh. : ( |
| I feel so bad for Zero. T_T He's been suffering the entire series, at this point I just hope he doesn't get killed off in the end. :( |
| at least we know now that Ruka isn't dead i was wondering about what happened to her since ch84.... but i we still don't see Shiki and Rima after they went to the Vampire Hunter Association >.> ... anyway i was happy when Yuuki said they can't be together so i can have him for me :q but she really is an idiot for still wanting to be with Kaname after she knew what he had done o.o... |
| Well, my take on this is: Yes, she said she belonged to Kaname. And that she couldn't live with Zero. However, She didn't say she loved Kaname or didn't love Zero. Also Zero himself made a good point. He said that it seemed like everything since they met was a set up, which it was. Therefore their feelings for each-other might not have been real, and in him saying that, I see it as meaning that he thinks theirs still a chance for them. If their feelings before weren't real, but the product of their situations and such, than knowing that, they may very well fall in love again or more deeply, or for real this time (However you want to look at it). Also, Yuuki didn't shoot him down. She could have dismissed that statement right away but I think it made her think. I agree with DJIzzyIzzyHitler |
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| Yuuki is STILL declaring that she belongs to Kaname? After all that's just happened? She is such a royal flibbertigibbet! |
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| Yuuki made a point of referencing Kaito's words before she said anything to Zero about her relationships for a reason. Kaito said that "they" would never be compatible with purebloods, in lifespan or strength. Yuuki basically agrees with this by saying even though Kaito already said this, she's going to clarify things as well. She didn't "choose" anyone, IMO. She can't live with Zero because she'll never die and she's afraid of being alone; she "belongs to/with Kaname" because he's the same species and shares the lifespan. And the reason she gave for being with Kaname earlier this arc: "Is it wrong? To want someone by my side because I don't want to be alone?" Hino also made a point of paralleling Juuri & Haruka with Yuuki & Zero in this chapter. Not only is this the couple we've been shown repeatedly as being "truly in love," but Yuuki was also starstruck by their love story and wanted a love like that herself. So paralleling the Haruka/Juuri umbrella story with Zeki this chapter made it pretty obvious to me where the LT is going. Anyone that disagrees is entitled to, but I loved this chapter and I'm looking forward to the angst. ^^ Umbrella Scene Parallel Images by ImaginaryLights @ Tumblr |
underthesameskySep 24, 2012 1:18 PM
Jaymie said: You people are disgusting. Just drop the series now and spare the people who actually enjoy the story from your unwarranted character bashing. Nothing in the chapter indicated a Yuuki x Kaname end. It just reinforced that Yuuki and Zero won't end up together, either. But Vampire Knight was described as a tragic romance from the very first volume so most legitimate fans have already been emotionally prepared for years for the fact that no one will end up together in the end. We didnt offend Kaname, the person above me said hinted she didnt like him, and as for myself I dont feel absolutely nothing for Kaname, Yuuki annoys me the most (my apologies to her lovers, but this is all a matter of opinions). If giving an opinion without being rude is disgusting than spare us with your comment about OUR comments. Dont like it? Dont read. Now if you want to share your opinion with respect and be respected in return dont go offending people. Come back when you want to discuss your opinions in a civilized way, Ill be here. |
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| You have got to be kidding me. *rips chunks of hair out* Okay, does anyone have any idea when this might get wrapped up? If Zero gets cut out of the picture, I'm going to run, screaming out of this fandom like a distressed whale. VK as a whole is just driving me crazy. Sticking around hoping that things are going to get better, but at this point... |
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underthesamesky said: Yuuki made a point of referencing Kaito's words before she said anything to Zero about her relationships for a reason. Kaito said that "they" would never be compatible with purebloods, in lifespan or strength. Yuuki basically agrees with this by saying even though Kaito already said this, she's going to clarify things as well. She didn't "choose" anyone, IMO. She can't live with Zero because she'll never die and she's afraid of being alone; she "belongs to/with Kaname" because he's the same species and shares the lifespan. And the reason she gave for being with Kaname earlier this arc: "Is it wrong? To want someone by my side because I don't want to be alone?" Hino also made a point of paralleling Juuri & Haruka with Yuuki & Zero in this chapter. Not only is this the couple we've been shown repeatedly as being "truly in love," but Yuuki was also starstruck by their love story and wanted a love like that herself. So paralleling the Haruka/Juuri umbrella story with Zeki this chapter made it pretty obvious to me where the LT is going. Anyone that disagrees is entitled to, but I loved this chapter and I'm looking forward to the angst. ^^ Umbrella Scene Parallel Images by ImaginaryLights @ Tumblr Wow! Good observation there! I didn't realize that at all. I guess there is still hope for the Zeki fans after all. |
Itami-chan said: Okay, does anyone have any idea when this might get wrapped up? If Zero gets cut out of the picture, I'm going to run, screaming out of this fandom like a distressed whale. VK as a whole is just driving me crazy. Second arc is supposed to be longer than the first. The rumour is it will end at 100 chapters, but in order to be longer than the first arc it would have to be a minimum of 11 volumes (which would be 105 chapters). And I doubt Zero will get cut out of the picture, as it seems this last arc is meant to revolve around his character as much as it is Kaname's. (I say this because Zero is looking for answers about what in his past was manipulated and he's chosen to go on this journey with Yuuki). I highly doubt Zero would die as well. RantingPrincess said: Wow! Good observation there! I didn't realize that at all. I guess there is still hope for the Zeki fans after all. Definitely! ^^ I'd also point out to the people frustrated with Yuuki, that she's doing the same thing this arc as Zero did last arc. (Pushing him away because she doesn't feel she's right for him) |
| I like the idea of zero and yuuki not loving eachother because it was all a set up and was merely false love, i say i like that idea cause that means zero can drop that bitch and get with someone he actually deserves, plus he probably wont be held back at the thought of hurting yuuki by trying to off kaname and this time will hopefully suceed |
Immahnoob said: Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit, tokiyashiro said: Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me |
| Its pretty sad that so many people hate Kaname! :( But well to be frank i do hope that zero can find happiness although i m not a big of fan of him... Hopefully Zero can end up with Yuki and Kaname can end up with the ancestor or me? >.< |
| Im going to rant a bit here. the reasons why I think VK does not make sense at all. |
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| I have to disagree that Hino is playing with the fans minds making them think it's a Zeki end. Click spoiler tag for clarification (but read at your own discretion because it's long-winded): As for Kaname's actions, Yuuki is meant to be the "justice" character in this story and she's made her view on the matter pretty clear... no matter the 'reason' she feels it's wrong, that Kaname has to be stopped, etc. Some of the purebloods were sleeping, and Kaname let Sara roam around turning humans, devouring purebloods and stay at Cross Academy near Yuuki and HUMAN students. o_O He even lied and took credit for her crimes, which made her look like the victim. Not to mention killing Aidou-dono for presently unknown reasons, which was the first act that threw the vampire society into complete chaos because 'bad vampires' took advantage of that opening, and gave the Hunter's Association more work. Now Kaname's admitted to releasing Shizuka and having a part in the tragedy with the Kiryuu's, Zero is foreshadowing that even more beyond that has been manipulated, and Yuuki is denying none of this. So, I'm pretty sure things are only going to get darker from here on out, and though Kaname may get some redemption, things will never go back to how they were. People won't just forgive and forget, Kaien's already said that this time those who instigate needless fear and confusion among the people (which Kaname has done twice: first with the vampire council, and now this) will be dealt with more strictly than before. Kaname got a free pass with the vampire council, though he and Yuuki were still staying somewhat underground; I doubt he'll get such a thing this time, and I don't think he really cares because he's on a self-destructive path by choice. Anyway, I didn't mean to offend anyone, that's just my opinion and whoever disagrees is more than welcome to. |
| nice chapter overall, its been a while since ive had a chapter ive truly liked the manga is waay better when its zero and yuuki together (almost) like how they used to be, i still feel sorry for zero, he gets screwed over alot and gets so much shit thrown at him but he still manages to move forward i also like the poetry of this chapter and how zero is truly wondering if all the feelings he once held were actually false and orchestrated by kaname, its sad because kaname planned out his family's downfall and his meeting with yuuki, Did kaname plan for zero to fall in love with yuuki so he would protect her? Was he manipulating his feelings right from the very beginning? what i didn't like was yuuki suddenly declaring that she still belongs to kaname, but it suits her character to be loyal to her fiancée and i would be worried if she started to suddenly take interest in zero, but it was still mean of her to friend-zone zero |
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| Kaname himself actually refers to Rido as a person who embodies his faults well/says they're very much alike/is a very good mirror/etc. That wasn't something I just pulled out of thin air for the sake of arguing my point. Also, whether it's a chunk or the whole thing, Yuuki saying she can't be sated by Kaname because of Zero still has very negative implications for Yume, because you're supposed to be sated by the one you love. If Yuuki loves Kaname, she should be sated by him, but she's not. Thus my point of her feelings for Zero at least being equal to Kaname, if not greater, and also Yuuki saying she's with Kaname because she doesn't want to be alone for eternity. Not because she loves him. And, his feelings make her sad, not happy o_O But I was just stating my opinion before, so I digress :P We'll all think what we want until Hino proves us without a doubt wrong. (Oh, and I like Kaname's character - not sure if you thought I didn't with what you said in your post lol but yeah. I find him interesting now that we've learned about his past as the Ancestor, and I think it's very sad what he went through) I was actually wondering about Rima and Shiki myself, because they were going to the association after Takuma and I'm not sure how he managed to get past them while carrying Sara. XD I guess the next time we see Takuma, we'll probably see Rima and Shiki as well. Maybe they're following him? I think Takuma has probably returned to Kaname's side for now, since Kaname isn't the one who killed Sara. I was surprised Kaname left Seiren behind, though. Not that he had much of a chance to go get her, he was making a quick get away, but I wonder if she'll stay at Cross Academy now or if she'll disappear and go to where he is? They have a master/servant type relationship it seems, she's very loyal to him, so I can't imagine her not trying to track him down. I think since Kaname made the choice to not turn Yuuki back into a human like he'd originally intended, he probably decided to give her a new role: watching over the vampires and being the one to take his life. That's not to say this is what will happen, I just think that's what Kaname may want. |
underthesameskySep 25, 2012 11:11 AM
| Yeah I didn't really like the reveal that Kaname was Yuuki's "brother," lol I eventually got over it and then they revealed he was related to her a little more distantly. I actually wouldn't have minded the incest element so much if she hadn't kept calling him oniisama, I was glad when she finally stopped that lol. With Kaname and why he decided to do the A's will now, I'm not sure. Obviously he's been planning this for some time and even if it's revealed that he lied about releasing Shizuka, he was definitely very interested in the Kiryuu twins existence. Possibly, that is the root of his plans, because there's a lot we don't know about the Hunter's Curse. I've also seen people say that Kaname gave up before and entered a slumber, but when Rido woke him up, he didn't want to waste the second chance he was given. Well, there are other purebloods (if Kaname is unsuccessful in killing them all) and we're not sure what's up with Kaien, since he seems to have stopped aging. Though of course other purebloods and Kaien are unlikely to be romantic companions, LOL. Some have speculated that Yuuki would be turned human again, or that she'll sacrifice herself like the Ancestress did. Next chapter is 40 pages by the way guys. ^^ And it's the second last chapter of the volume, so hopefully it'll be a good one. :D One thing I'll say about this series, and it's how I maintain my interest in it, is that it's really hard to enjoy as a "monthly" manga. Even though it's kind of long, I try to reread it whenever I have time (from beginning to now) because it really helps understand the story better AND it also helps you feel less frustrated. Some people don't have the patience to try that, but if you do, you should, it helps a lot. |
| After reading what she said to Zero, I was so angry if I had an anti vampire weapon on me I would have chopped her with it. Yes Zero is my favorite character too. At one time, a couple of years ago, this was my very favorite manga. |
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underthesamesky said: Yuuki made a point of referencing Kaito's words before she said anything to Zero about her relationships for a reason. Kaito said that "they" would never be compatible with purebloods, in lifespan or strength. Yuuki basically agrees with this by saying even though Kaito already said this, she's going to clarify things as well. She didn't "choose" anyone, IMO. She can't live with Zero because she'll never die and she's afraid of being alone; she "belongs to/with Kaname" because he's the same species and shares the lifespan. And the reason she gave for being with Kaname earlier this arc: "Is it wrong? To want someone by my side because I don't want to be alone?" Hino also made a point of paralleling Juuri & Haruka with Yuuki & Zero in this chapter. Not only is this the couple we've been shown repeatedly as being "truly in love," but Yuuki was also starstruck by their love story and wanted a love like that herself. So paralleling the Haruka/Juuri umbrella story with Zeki this chapter made it pretty obvious to me where the LT is going. Anyone that disagrees is entitled to, but I loved this chapter and I'm looking forward to the angst. ^^ Umbrella Scene Parallel Images by ImaginaryLights @ Tumblr So I'm not the only one that thought that this chapter gave Zero and Yuuki hope :) Thank you so much for pointing out the paralell to the Haruka and Juuri scene! |
alysonskye said: I'm really starting to love Vampire Knight (and not just for the art like I used to). The majority of us are Team Zero and I don't think it's an accident that most of us are Zero fans. And if you think beyond the love triangle being just about which boy she likes more, you see Yuuki caught between who she's supposed to be, the vampire princess and wife of the ancestor that she feels a responsibility to be, especially since that's who her parents who died for her expected she would marry Kaname, and who she actually is and who she actually loves. She's caught having to choose between her happiness and responsibilities, and I find Yuuki admirable for trying so hard to live up to all those responsibilities. Now that Kaname appears to have gone berserk, she feels a responsibility to go against him and she's terribly confused right now but she's hiding it in order to be the just and kind leader of the vampires, especially since most of the purebloods are insane. She undeniably loves Zero but feels like she shouldn't be with him. Don't hate on Yuuki for picking Kaname, she's just confused, she loves Zero, don't worry! Agreed! Yuuki has a lot of confusion, fear, and insecurity controlling her life. She has been fighting against it a lot this arc but she's far from perfect. I think it's just hard for some fans to deal with because a lot of them have been following the manga for years, when it comes to the Zeki fans they had to sit through the Kuran Mansion arc and that was probably frustrating. I'm a (somewhat) newer fan so I have more patience, personally xD And you're welcome (about pointing out the parallel) ! |
underthesamesky said: Yuuki made a point of referencing Kaito's words before she said anything to Zero about her relationships for a reason. Kaito said that "they" would never be compatible with purebloods, in lifespan or strength. Yuuki basically agrees with this by saying even though Kaito already said this, she's going to clarify things as well. She didn't "choose" anyone, IMO. She can't live with Zero because she'll never die and she's afraid of being alone; she "belongs to/with Kaname" because he's the same species and shares the lifespan. And the reason she gave for being with Kaname earlier this arc: "Is it wrong? To want someone by my side because I don't want to be alone?" Hino also made a point of paralleling Juuri & Haruka with Yuuki & Zero in this chapter. Not only is this the couple we've been shown repeatedly as being "truly in love," but Yuuki was also starstruck by their love story and wanted a love like that herself. So paralleling the Haruka/Juuri umbrella story with Zeki this chapter made it pretty obvious to me where the LT is going. Anyone that disagrees is entitled to, but I loved this chapter and I'm looking forward to the angst. ^^ Umbrella Scene Parallel Images by ImaginaryLights @ Tumblr You... give me so much hope. ;^; |
| I can't help but wonder how the hell can people see Zeki as the "good" end for Zero. Up until now, Yuuki stated several times that she wants to be with Kaname even though she is trying to stop him by all means. If she were to simply jump on to Zero, her words would mean nothing at all. Do you really want a girl, whose words are completely meaningless and she will jump ships when she sees fit, to date your favourite character? Really? If Yuuki wasn't so obsessed with Kaname, it would be understandable how she could simply "jump onto" Zero. But after everything she said, how much she loved him and how much she wanted to be with him etc. she should simply forget all of that and date Zero? And call that "happy ending"? When your favourite character ends up with someone so fake and selfish? If anything, Zero would deserve someone who would actually give a damn about him and his problems, not someone who is hurting and ignoring him for fun yet expecting him to be happy about it. |
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| Well this was quite a chapter really. Just a couple of things on the chapter I wanted to say. I liked the kaito and zero moment. Their interaction was sweet as kaito in his own way was worrying and trying to watch out for zero sort of like an older brother. I'm glad zero has someone like that on his side watching his back for him. ^^ This chapter though did not solve the LT. There are still several things that need addressing before that. One being what does Yuuki feel for zero as she has not yet answered this question, she also hasn't said how she see's the current kaname so that needs addressing too. I initially like the "belong" line as a Yume fan, but then when I looked at the word belong I wasn't so sure on it. Its a bit too much like Yuuki see's herself as an object and not a person in the relationship and I really want hino to address and clear that up. HikaruIzumi said: I can't help but wonder how the hell can people see Zeki as the "good" end for Zero. Up until now, Yuuki stated several times that she wants to be with Kaname even though she is trying to stop him by all means. If she were to simply jump on to Zero, her words would mean nothing at all. Do you really want a girl, whose words are completely meaningless and she will jump ships when she sees fit, to date your favourite character? Really? If Yuuki wasn't so obsessed with Kaname, it would be understandable how she could simply "jump onto" Zero. But after everything she said, how much she loved him and how much she wanted to be with him etc. she should simply forget all of that and date Zero? And call that "happy ending"? When your favourite character ends up with someone so fake and selfish? If anything, Zero would deserve someone who would actually give a damn about him and his problems, not someone who is hurting and ignoring him for fun yet expecting him to be happy about it. I agree with quite a few things you've said. Personally one reason why I could not ship zeki is that Yuuki has been so single minded sometimes when it comes to Kaname. Like at the end of arc one after she finds out kaname used zero how does she respond? "Taint me too oniisama." Not exactly what you'd want her to say if you want her with zero as it showed quite a disregard for him really and what he went through. Yuuki's always been so open in her feelings towards Kaname in front of Zero, I do feel sorry for the guy a lot as Yuuki does say things that's got to hurt him. IMO he deserves someone better and who can give him a whole heart dedicated to him. Hino could do zeki and do it well but certain things about the pairing would not sit well with me with how hino has done things with them in the past. |
| Yuuki hasn't explicitly stated her feelings for Kaname since she learned of Zero's feelings for her at the beginning of the last arc. Since this arc began, she's cited loneliness, a fear of being alone for eternity, and Kaname being the same species as her as her reasons for being with him. She's referenced how his feelings for her make her sad and are what endear him to her. Kaname admits to putting on an act for Yuuki's sake, both in the first arc as her senior and again in this arc as her brother. Yuuki "fell in love" with Kaname as a child (when she viewed him as her brother) and again as a human (when she viewed him as her senior) when she was only seeing the ideal Kaname, not the real one. After he showed her his past about being the Ancestor, he asked her how she felt, and the only answer she could give him was to start over and render all supposed development during their year together moot. Yuuki isn't obsessed with Kaname, she just doesn't want to spend the eternity alone and Kaname shares the same lifespan as her. He's the safe choice and that's what she's been going with up until this point. Given the fact that Yuuki is a character who has always had insecurities, this shouldn't really be a shocker to anyone. I want Zero to be with Yuuki because regardless of what some people think, most of her actions revolve around him as much as they do herself. She felt that by being a pureblood, she betrayed him, and that being a vampire was her punishment for hurting Zero. And what are we shown after the timeskip? Her refusing to use her fangs and accept WHAT she is, and Kaname asking if her memories from the past were getting in the way. She didn't just blindly accept Kaname's sins either, she said she felt both angry and sad when Kaname admitted to what he'd done. Angry = angry at Kaname's actions, sad = sad for what had happened, sad because he said he'd done it for her sake. Because Kaname said what he'd done was for her, she felt guilty and she accepted it once. She even says she's committed a terrible sin too when she accepts his sins. o_O Notice though, she has not made the same mistake twice, though she still has that guilt complex. Yuuki isn't intentionally hurting Zero, and Zero is the one who fell in love with her. He could have moved on, he could have fallen for someone else, but it's been made perfectly clear that despite her flaws Yuuki is Zero's happiness. That's the point of Kaien's dialogue about one of Yagari's students "grasping the sunlight" when he watches Zero leave with Yuuki. If Zero loves Yuuki despite all the b.s. some fans see, does it really matter if he's with her in the end? And Yuuki would not just be "jumping on to Zero," when they've had development from the start, when she's expressed romantic interest in him (Zero being the cause of Kaname's blood not sating her = romantic attachment, IMO, though whether it's equal or greater to her feelings for Kaname is up to you) and there's been no love declarations for Kaname this arc, no joy over being Kaname's fiancee, no reference of it at all except to say she promised him as a child but wasn't even sure he felt that strongly about her o_O If her feelings changed in that one year that her and Zero were apart, there has to be a reason, especially if the Kaname she fell in love with was an ideal and not the real thing. At any rate, I like Zeki because of their dynamics and both Zero AND Yuuki, not just Zero. I also didn't have to sit through some of the more excruciating months with Yuuki's behaviour, since I'm somewhat of a new fan. So, that may be why I'm not as harsh on her as others. Edit: If Zeki is endgame, it will be because Yuuki realized he was the one she loved more, which has been hinted throughout this arc and foreshadowed with the typical shoujo cliches from day one. It will not be because Kaname started doing bad things and Yuuki decided Zero was the better choice. If she genuinely loved Kaname for who he is, his crimes would not matter, even if they made her angry/sad/disappointed/etc. |
underthesameskySep 28, 2012 5:18 PM
| I've never liked Kaname since the first moment words came out of his mouth. Now, just the sight of his stupid face makes me want to flip the page without reading anything. And Yuuki makes it so damn worst with every irrational thing she says too! Yuuki used to be one of my favorite characters, and I can't, and probably won't, ever dislike her but... for god's sakes woman... WAKE UP! Kaname is a manipulative bastard who should spend the rest of eternity back in that coffin. Yuuki and Zero belong together. They have so much chemistry, it's oozing out of the pages. I really hope Yuuki realizes who's the better man soon. >.> |
| At this point having an unresolved LT endgame would be a ridiculous and disappointing cop-out, so I'm very reluctant to jump on board with speculation that Kaname would die, Zeki will be platonic or any other variation where that may theoretically work out. Adieu to love for VK if I'm wrong. Also I can't believe there are people (especially Zeki fans!) who disliked this chapter, I was screaming internally like hell. It was good! For once! In 34 Yuuki calls Zero soft-hearted when he didn't resist her choking him in her madness, saying that she didn't help him for his sake, but for her own. Zero replies that Yuuki's proclamation suggesting she needed him desperately was silly because he believes all she really needs for a partner is Kaname. This was presumably because Zero believed Yuuki loved Kaname most, from the blood she gave him, and that he himself wasn't strong or good enough for her, because she was his saviour when he couldn't be his own. That was the last conversation they had before Zero discovers Yuuki's pureblood identity. Who Yuuki loves, and who Yuuki needs and can rely on– Zero has always thought that the answer to both questions was Kaname. These answers were the real obstacles to Zeki- it was never because she was a pureblood and he was not, because he didn't pursue a relationship with her in school even before the pureblood fiasco. Although that did form the basis for all the Zeki angst/drama from arc 1 till now, it was most likely a red herring irrelevant to the resolution of the LT. If it was so determinative, then VK could have resolved itself years ago. In 86, Zero jumps over Kaito's point that purebloods exist in a different sphere - the illustration shows him reminiscing about the time when Yuuki was a source of support, a ray of light for him, and by choosing to accompany her he shows that her being a pureblood does not overwhelm his desire to chance it with her. Kaien Cross's conversation with Yagari reinforces that despite their vampire differences Zero would still pursue that narrow chance of 'catching it'. Yeah no, I don't think Zero would be happy settling for 'just friends', guys. He wants her bad still despite all his stoic expressions. XD Yuuki in this chapter still does not accept that realistically they can be together in any way - she reaffirms for the billionth time that she belongs with Kaname. Zero's reply is to ask Yuuki about what she thinks they could be, if nobody manipulates their thoughts and emotions. Implicitly, he is asking her to question how much manipulation has played a part in how she feels and thinks about him NOW. He makes clear that he wishes to plainly see what could be possible when they go forward together now in a manner that is outside the confines of what is orchestrated by others, or preordained. Zero, shaking up Yuuki’s convictions like a boss. Instinctively I think in coming chapters something that would have a huge impact would be the reason why Adiou’s father was killed. It would give us better insight into Kaname’s state of mind. Even as someone who would prefer a Zeki endgame, I don’t really understand all the hate directed at Kaname – most of his misdeeds are cloaked in enigma. Why sentence him without clear facts? Wishing for his death, guys? Kinda harsh, don’t you think? underthesamesky said: And Yuuki would not just be "jumping on to Zero," when they've had development from the start Lol no shit. I laughed when I saw the post you were responding to. Also @underthesamesky thanks for bringing the umbrella sidestory parallel to everyone’s attention! Juri/Haruka, so much cute. I loved seeing their loving banter reflected in Zeki :D squee! |
VesperlyndSep 30, 2012 10:05 PM
| I love how everyone jumped the gun on Yuuki's line of belonging to Kaname. In all sense of the word she does belong to Kaname from the day she claimed him as a child. However Yuuki stating that claim right now does not mean she is declaring that she does not love Zero or telling him she can never be with him. At this point I feel Yuuki is trying not to make it more complicated and trying to solve one problem at at time. And I'm glad Zero is thinking the same, no matter how much we all know he'd like to claim Yuuki right there and then. I still believe Zeki will happen, it just needs time to unfold (yes I know a bunch of us have been waiting years for that to happen xD) If you think of it, in no possible end scenario will Kaname live or be allowed to live, he is old and can never carry on the pureblood name without bringing destruction to yuuki and himself. The only way they can get past this if he were to make Yuuki human again and die himself or Kaname will die and Yuuki would be the remaining pureblood. |
underthesamesky said: Yuuki made a point of referencing Kaito's words before she said anything to Zero about her relationships for a reason. Kaito said that "they" would never be compatible with purebloods, in lifespan or strength. Yuuki basically agrees with this by saying even though Kaito already said this, she's going to clarify things as well. She didn't "choose" anyone, IMO. She can't live with Zero because she'll never die and she's afraid of being alone; she "belongs to/with Kaname" because he's the same species and shares the lifespan. And the reason she gave for being with Kaname earlier this arc: "Is it wrong? To want someone by my side because I don't want to be alone?" Hino also made a point of paralleling Juuri & Haruka with Yuuki & Zero in this chapter. Not only is this the couple we've been shown repeatedly as being "truly in love," but Yuuki was also starstruck by their love story and wanted a love like that herself. So paralleling the Haruka/Juuri umbrella story with Zeki this chapter made it pretty obvious to me where the LT is going. Anyone that disagrees is entitled to, but I loved this chapter and I'm looking forward to the angst. ^^ Umbrella Scene Parallel Images by ImaginaryLights @ Tumblr o_o OMG, underthesamesky, you just opened my eyes to something I had no idea about. Wow, you caught onto something very interesting. This changes my opinion of this chapter completely. Your logic makes complete sense. o.o Wow... XD My mind has been boggled! |
underthesamesky said: you have to keep in mind, hino is REALLY bad at writing, its very likely all the stuff you think are hints in your spoiler are really just her accidently making plotholes.I have to disagree that Hino is playing with the fans minds making them think it's a Zeki end. Click spoiler tag for clarification (but read at your own discretion because it's long-winded): As for Kaname's actions, Yuuki is meant to be the "justice" character in this story and she's made her view on the matter pretty clear... no matter the 'reason' she feels it's wrong, that Kaname has to be stopped, etc. Some of the purebloods were sleeping, and Kaname let Sara roam around turning humans, devouring purebloods and stay at Cross Academy near Yuuki and HUMAN students. o_O He even lied and took credit for her crimes, which made her look like the victim. Not to mention killing Aidou-dono for presently unknown reasons, which was the first act that threw the vampire society into complete chaos because 'bad vampires' took advantage of that opening, and gave the Hunter's Association more work. Now Kaname's admitted to releasing Shizuka and having a part in the tragedy with the Kiryuu's, Zero is foreshadowing that even more beyond that has been manipulated, and Yuuki is denying none of this. So, I'm pretty sure things are only going to get darker from here on out, and though Kaname may get some redemption, things will never go back to how they were. People won't just forgive and forget, Kaien's already said that this time those who instigate needless fear and confusion among the people (which Kaname has done twice: first with the vampire council, and now this) will be dealt with more strictly than before. Kaname got a free pass with the vampire council, though he and Yuuki were still staying somewhat underground; I doubt he'll get such a thing this time, and I don't think he really cares because he's on a self-destructive path by choice. Anyway, I didn't mean to offend anyone, that's just my opinion and whoever disagrees is more than welcome to. I'm just calling it now, they will paint zero as the bad guy in end, if that sound absurd and downright retarded thats why i think its gonna happen, this story has become so convoluted, so illogical, so downright bad i can only imagine this ending with the worst and most insulting to the fans ending as possible |
JizzyHitlerOct 18, 2012 4:26 PM
Immahnoob said: Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit, tokiyashiro said: Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me |
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