Day2Dream said: Time travel! But seriously, where was this part? Wasn't she referring to his first behind? Yes, you are technically correct (the best kind of correct). But the subtext (!) is that she wishes she could have been his *actual* "first," instead having to make do with the anal version. I AM ERODUDE, INTERPRETER OF SUBTEXT! BOW AND TREMBLE BEFORE ME! rawr
Among other things, kyled00m said: I didn't see the need for your spoiler. There was no need; I just wanted people to have to press a button to read it. Also, I just tend to use spoiler tags for all sorts of non-spoiler things.
But seriously, when it comes to the bulk of your post, I'm not sure where we're disagreeing, if we even are at all. Generally, the longer you know someone during our development, the less attracted you are to them. AFAIK, it's a matter of being classified as 'family'. Anyways, while this doesn't make it analytically impossible, it just happens to be synthetically implausible. Regarding whether the qualities you look for in a mate are those that your opposite-sex parent possess(ed), I was under the impression that that's just Freudian gobbledygook. The Oedipus and Electra complexes themselves certainly are.
There's an additional layer added when nature is considered in addition to nurture. At the very least, the more a person resembles you genetically, the less attractive their pheromones are. Not that strong of a factor, I know, but you get my point: there are a lot of things that suggest deus sex machina is what's really at work driving the incestuous relations in Papa Love. (Why do I care? I have no idea.)
Anyways, even someone as naive (read: stupid) as Ayame just shouldn't find herself in a situation where she is genuinely and unflinchingly sexually attracted to a biological father who raised her. Even if she is trying to take the place of her mother, this would be a purely cognitive maneuver, unnaturally forced and resulting in stress and anxiety. We see no evidence of this, therefore we have no reason to believe she experiences it. Because our rule of thumb, especially with hentai, should be that it is poorly written unless it demonstrates that it is not. This is why I do not assume her sexual love for her father is driven by a cognitive dissonance, in turn the result of perceiving herself to be receiving insufficient reward for the action of taking her mother's place. This might actually lead a normal human being in Ayame's position to adamantly believe herself to be her own mother, i.e. her father's wife.
As for whether or not incest is right or wrong, I also withhold judgment. It certainly is part of the circle of life that these things can happen, though I don't think your comparison of humans to animals is completely appropriate, mostly due to humans' use of knowledge and culture. The two truths of incest are that it tends to produce genetic defects in offspring and that it partially defeats the "purpose" of sexual reproduction as a way to keep the gene pool from stagnating. Moral conclusions might not clearly follow from those truths. The clear scientific conclusion, though, is that the desire for incest has been naturally selected against, since those animals not born of incest are more likely to survive and reproduce successfully, and thus any genetic factors that heighten incestuous desires would not tend to be passed on to future generations.
In the end, though, the point is that I must not apply real-life behavioral psychosexuality to hentai because it is completely irrelevant. Hentai situations are not (always) supposed to be probable or make sense. They are designed to appeal to parts of the psyche more primal than "empiricism" or "logic." They are designed to be sexy. |