Ambalamps said: Neither of the 2 have anything to do with my point about teams that rebuilt through smart moves and the draft that were complete shit recently. They were both established last I checked. I think 7 (??) Finals appearances between the two would have made that obvious. They also had more than 1 established star and a superstar. So yes, LOL at me. Indeed, LOL at you then. How the f**k did Spurs get the first pick overall if they didn't suck pre-1998? WTF did the Mavs do that took them from perennial 20-win seasons of the 90s to perennial playoff team of the 2000s? One team had Popovich-Buford as GMs, Buford became the GM when Popovich became exclusively the head coach. Donnie Nelson is one of the longest serving GMs right now, and it looks like they've found the right coach with Rick Carlisle now. They got Duncan and Dirk through the Draft (technically Dirk was drafted by the Bucks and traded to the Mavs at draft day), Parker, Josh Howard, Ginobili were drafted, other key players were traded for or signed as FAs. You mention teams like the Grizzlies and OKC like they were the only ones that were able to "turn things around". You also imply "longevity" in management but then ignore those two Texas teams altogether. And IIRC the longest-serving current coaches right now are Gregg Popovich, Doc Rivers, and Rick Carlisle. I guess Boston needs a mention as well since Danny Ainge and Doc Rivers made some good moves to win a championship and was able to snag Rondo. |
entropy13Jul 19, 2012 12:11 AM
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Ambalamps said: Recently Even if you limit it to your shortsighted time frame, Memphis and OKC doesn't really count as "complete shit", unless you are now conveniently forgetting that Pau Gasol made the Grizzlies good, and the Sonics were still good before they left for OKC. |
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Ambalamps said: I don't have an issue with guys leaving to go where they want. I do have an issue with there only being a handful of teams though. Most major sports are the same way but basketball is much worse with so few guys on the court that they make such a big difference. A lot of it has to do with horrible management in the past though. There used to be more teams but people are too impatient with coaches and young guys. Teams like Detroit, Washington, Sac are horrible now because they have some shitty people at the top running them into the ground. I think it just takes a few more really savvy, young gms to turn it around so long as they have the assets. Look at the Grizzlies and OKC. You have to be patient, smart, and lucky to get this right. Draft well and sign/let guys go intelligently. Sadly there aren't many guys like that currently. A lot of these teams just recycle the same bad management and coaches (see Doug Collins). The League needs to get contracts under control as well. Fully guaranteed and all these mediocre players getting the max is killing the NBA. The lockout accomplished nothing. About the only thing they have right is the rookie contracts. The lottery is a horrible idea. Worst should be 1st. I agree, and that is exactly where my argument somewhat falls apart. Isn't that depressing in and of itself though? That some GM's are SUBSTANTIALLY better than others. This would be where I would queue my hate for the Rockets GM, Daryl Morey, but I feel like I've already done a lifetimes worth of that (srsly though if we don't get Howard and the Lakers do I'm going to start flipping tables). On the topic of contracts, I agree as well. Just listing out a few of the contracts this off season for what I would term "mid-tier" players is ridiculous. The most recent of which, a $44 million 4 year deal for McGee, is a prime example. I'm not so sure about the lottery. I've heard convincing arguments for both sides of the argument from several analysts, but I tend to agree with you here as well. The argument for it though is that, unlike other sports, one player can dramatically change the culture and overall record of an NBA team (LeBron to Cleveland for instance). I believe that was the platform many use to argue for having a lottery, and not a traditional draft. One player can make a huge difference, so to avoid teams from intentionally tanking to guarantee the #1 overall pick, they have the lottery. |
| Recently, the Rocket deal to get Lin reminded me of Rockets getting Yao a decade back. Is it too much of a coincidence another "bigshot" Asian player is getting a spot on the Rockets? I wouldn't be surprised if he got another injury soon and be inactive for like half the season or something. We'll see. |
Taichi said: Recently, the Rocket deal to get Lin reminded me of Rockets getting Yao a decade back. Is it too much of a coincidence another "bigshot" Asian player is getting a spot on the Rockets? I wouldn't be surprised if he got another injury soon and be inactive for like half the season or something. We'll see. lol I actually got to thinking something like that when Houston first put up that offer to Lin. I don't know if I woulda paid 8.4mil/yr for someone who sat out the playoffs while at 85% health, although I certainly don't knock Lin for getting his money. That would be a kick in the pants though if he got seriously hurt and have to sit out significantly, and an even bigger kick if he got a cramp or something and sat out a couple months lol Legendre said: ....not trying to bring you down but it looks like you got as much of a shot at Howard as we did at Williams. Even if you do snag him on some hail mary shit his agent has "made it clear" Dwight wants be a free agent at the end of this season and not sign an extension with any team. Of course its Dwight Howard we're talking about, just cause its cloudy today doesn't mean it can't be sunny tomorrow!(srsly though if we don't get Howard and the Lakers do I'm going to start flipping tables).  |
Tachii said: Recently, the Rocket deal to get Lin reminded me of Rockets getting Yao a decade back. Is it too much of a coincidence another "bigshot" Asian player is getting a spot on the Rockets? I wouldn't be surprised if he got another injury soon and be inactive for like half the season or something. We'll see. To me it looks like an attention grab to get the focus away from the fact that they appear to be rebuilding. They got a couple nice draft picks this year and are going even younger with the other moves. |
| Screw Howard, let's tank. I want to see the young guys play this season. |
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Ambalamps said: They have a really entertaining rookie class. Im a huge Royce White fan. And Lamb has been impressive. Indeed. Lamb is very smooth, and I have a bit of a man-crush on White. Dude is fun to watch. Motie can run and has a real nice touch. Jones is looking pretty special, as well, a genuine two-way player. Oh man. p.s. This is a fantastic read: The Music in Royce White's Head. |
SchnickelFritzJul 20, 2012 12:41 PM
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Ambalamps said: Still can't believe they took Waiters. He's got terrible ball iq and is a poor decision maker. Robinson or Barnes would have been better. Barnes would have been a smarter choice since they have Thompson. PG: Irving SG: ? SF: Barnes PF: Thompson C: Bynum Would have been a great lineup. |
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| Judging by the rumors floating around here in Chicago, as well as the recent signing of Radmanovic, and expressed interest in Milicic, Delfino, West, and Belinelli, it seems like Asik will be landing in Houston as well. What's Houston up to? Seems like they are playing the mad scientist role, hoping that they can turn a microwave into a time machine. |
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| 8/6 for a rookie that didn't start or have training camp isn't too bad. Apparently it's on hold until Orlando gets more picks. |
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SchnickelFritz said: Screw Howard, let's tank. I want to see the young guys play this season. 100% agree. I've been watching a lot of the summer league news as well and our guys are straight ballin'. Simmons actually wrote a pretty interesting article on the NBA off season, and the part about Morey was particularly interesting. Not that I agree with him. Going to put it in spoiler tags, but it's just two short paragraphs. That's what the Rockets are doing Verdale, going all-in as fuck. The one thing I agree with Simmons on completely is Lin. Dragic is a better Lin in my opinion. Maybe a little less explosive, but he's substantially more "proven" and is actually a part of the defensive scheme. Whatever though, we'll see how it plays out. Also his article ties in with what I was explaining in some of my last posts. The fact that you can't just sit in the middle. You either have to be one of the 4-6 contenders, or tank. @Surge: "Of course its Dwight Howard we're talking about, just cause its cloudy today doesn't mean it can't be sunny tomorrow!"... I lost it man hahahaha... I'm so fed up with this shit. |
| *reads statement; looks at avatar; lulz, so fitting* |
| Lakers re-sign Jordan Hill. Now they need to focus on getting a good perimeter player/backup for Bean Bryant. |
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| Lakers were probably only offering a year. |
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| Lakers pursing Jodie Meeks, and CJ Miles. Would be great for the bench if they landed both. If they somehow manage to add Barbosa too that could make them the favorites even without Dwight. |
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layfonkun said: As a Miami native, I have nothing to worry about. Heat Nation baby! Best news of all: DWade will be at 100% and he's back with the god trainer, Tim Grover! People thought the Heat were annoying last year? A healthy Dwade with no outside worries, back with Tim Grover? Game over. Completely forgot he was injured he was such a on and off player. Some games he would completely dominate and some he would be absolutely pathetic. |
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| Wade is always hurt. |
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| That's what happens when you throw a hissy fit when you don't get every call you think you deserve. I'm shocked no one is giving William Buford a shot. |
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JavierR said: Bulls are going to be on top this year... Everyone's doubting us but I love rooting for the underdog so lets go!! As a fellow Chitown fan, I must say you're insane if you think we're going to top Miami, let alone a few other good competitive teams in the East this year. I'd bargain that we'll do fairly well and place somewhere between the 3rd and 6th seeds; maybe even 2nd depending on when and if Rose gets back. As much as I hate to admit it, Miami won't have much competition for 1st seed this year. Unless they have an absolute mental breakdown or suffer from an injury-riddled season similar to the Bulls last year. Ambalamps said: Gunbladewarrior said: Agreed, he suffers from strained Vagina all the time.Wade is always hurt. I lol'd. --- By the way, does anyone want to setup a fantasy league? We seem to have more than enough passionate fans in this thread. My usual league isn't happening this year, so I thought I'd look to here for one. |
VerdaleAug 3, 2012 5:56 PM
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Verdale said: --- By the way, does anyone want to setup a fantasy league? We seem to have more than enough passionate fans in this thread. My usual league isn't happening this year, so I thought I'd look to here for one. I thought that would be good. Seems like we can get enough people for one. As long as all of you show up on draft day! |
Ambalamps said: I only have experience in Yahoo Fantasy basketball but I'd be down. Same, but some people are picky and I don't really care either way. I'll make a club page for this and invite everyone and once we get closer to the start of the season, we'll start setting up details in there. |
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| The current player movements make the upcoming season more exciting, except for all the Dwight Drama. |
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Verdale said: Ambalamps said: I only have experience in Yahoo Fantasy basketball but I'd be down. Same, but some people are picky and I don't really care either way. I'll make a club page for this and invite everyone and once we get closer to the start of the season, we'll start setting up details in there. I'll be down for this. Already a part of two leagues, but it's not very time consuming so I could easily take part in another one. Just message me or I'll look out for when y'all decide to create the group. |
| All I can say is finally!!! http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/8252042/sources-dwight-howard-los-angeles-lakers-four-team-deal-complete |
| lakers starting 5: kobe, nash, howard, gasol, and worldpeace damn that sounds like a championship right there assuming howard doesnt drag the team down with all his drama inb4 stern rejects it for basketball reasons |
TravSavage said: All I can say is finally!!! http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/8252042/sources-dwight-howard-los-angeles-lakers-four-team-deal-complete Harkless is no scrub player and those three future 1strd picks could turn into something special. They won't have to deal with another Dwight had they gone 1for1 [or so] since Bynum ends up in philly. Jimb0 said: lakers starting 5: kobe, nash, howard, gasol, and worldpeace damn that sounds like a championship right there assuming howard doesnt drag the team down with all his drama That has to be one of the most stacked starting lineups in history. 5 [former and current] all stars and 3 of them are guaranteed future hall of famers. Those ticket prices are gonna increase exponentially lol god knows how deep they're gonna be in the tax now. |
Surge4180Aug 9, 2012 9:31 PM
| Mitch got it done without trading Gasol. Win. |
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| Wow. Howard finally going to the lakers. AND they're keeping Pau? GG. Just give the 2013 championship to the lakers already lol. Kobe - Nash - Metta - Pau - Howard Game over. |
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Surge4180 said: TravSavage said: All I can say is finally!!! http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/8252042/sources-dwight-howard-los-angeles-lakers-four-team-deal-complete That's a hell of a deal for Dwight on the part of the Magic. Harkless is no scrub player and those three future 1strd picks could turn into something special. A much better crop of returns than what they woulda got outta Brooklyn and they won't have to deal with another Dwight had they gone 1for1 [or so] since Bynum ends up in philly. Jimb0 said: lakers starting 5: kobe, nash, howard, gasol, and worldpeace damn that sounds like a championship right there assuming howard doesnt drag the team down with all his drama That has to be one of the most stacked starting lineups in history. 5 [former and current] all stars and 3 of them are guaranteed future hall of famers. Those ticket prices are gonna increase exponentially lol god knows how deep they're gonna be in the tax now. You have Gasol as one of those guaranteed HoFers, right? |
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Gunbladewarrior said: Surge4180 said: TravSavage said: All I can say is finally!!! http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/8252042/sources-dwight-howard-los-angeles-lakers-four-team-deal-complete That's a hell of a deal for Dwight on the part of the Magic. Harkless is no scrub player and those three future 1strd picks could turn into something special. A much better crop of returns than what they woulda got outta Brooklyn and they won't have to deal with another Dwight had they gone 1for1 [or so] since Bynum ends up in philly. Jimb0 said: lakers starting 5: kobe, nash, howard, gasol, and worldpeace damn that sounds like a championship right there assuming howard doesnt drag the team down with all his drama That has to be one of the most stacked starting lineups in history. 5 [former and current] all stars and 3 of them are guaranteed future hall of famers. Those ticket prices are gonna increase exponentially lol god knows how deep they're gonna be in the tax now. You have Gasol as one of those guaranteed HoFers, right? Yes, I was using the three oldest players when making that statement (Kobe, Nash, Gasol). Howard's guaranteed too but he's much too young for me to look that far ahead for him and now that I think about it if Rodman made the hall of fame, "World Peace" probably will too. |
| Artest has never been the rebounder that Rodman was. Not even close. |
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Gunbladewarrior said: Artest has never been the rebounder that Rodman was. Not even close. No, no he wasn't. I threw Artest into the HOF purely in a "might-as-well" kinda way simply from being associated with a ridiculously stacked lineup containing Kobe, Nash, Howard, and Gasol. I just thought of someone like Rodman since they're both defensive specialists lol don't get shit twisted |
| All taken down from wikipedia: "Rob Hennigan is the general manager of the Orlando Magic, and the biggest joke in the NBA. At age 30, he is the youngest GM in the league, a fact taken advantage of by multiple other GMs who convinced Hennigan to trade away his best player while acquiring the NBA equivalent of two boxes of Pringles.[1]" "On August 9th, 2012, Rob Hennigan officially became the worst GM in the history of profession basketball when he traded Dwight Howard to the Los Angeles Lakers for 2 Diet Cokes and a bag of Lays potato chips." Rob Hennigan is the general manager of the Orlando Magic. At age 30 he became the youngest casualty to NBA Legend Mitch Kupchak's "magic wand." |
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| Between both the Clippers and the Lakers, Los Angeles has become a talent magnet. Hmm, let's see, chances of a Lakers-Heat Finals is high. Possibly going the most hated series for the rest of the league, especially in Chicago. |
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