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bleachjoj said: Like talking to a brick wall. Oh look another one-liner that is more of an ad hominem than a defense or support of anything that's open for discussion. |
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Anime_Name said: bleachjoj said: Like talking to a brick wall. Oh look another one-liner that is more of an ad hominem than a defense or support of anything that's open for discussion. I've presented my argument multiply times and so have others. But you ignored them. |
Anime_Name said: The wording was "created" problems down the line and such an assessment requires proof of what problems were "created". Seeing as it wasn't your statement you don't need to support it but latching onto it and doing a useless +1 post does nothing. The game in the 1999 is a disparity and one that could be a problem, if and only if, Gon's mom ever makes an appearance in the manga. It does not matter if she appears or not. Gon was dropped off to Mito by his Dad(Mito and Ging are related). Gon's real mom is not comfirmed dead. The 1999 plays it off as Gon was born and raised on whale island by his Aunt Mito with a dead mom's burial site. This deviates from the manga completely. How is changing ones back story (especially the main character) not "create" problems down the road? |
bleachjoj said: Anime_Name said: bleachjoj said: Like talking to a brick wall. Oh look another one-liner that is more of an ad hominem than a defense or support of anything that's open for discussion. I've presented my argument multiply times and so have others. But you ignored them. "lol no" is an argument now? I addressed just about everyone that quoted me. That's hardly "ignoring" but I guessing not agreeing is the new ignoring for this generation. It does not matter if she appears or not. Gon was dropped off to Mito by his Dad(Mito and Ging are related). Gon's real mom is not comfirmed dead. Since the word used was "created" then that means a problem exists not that a possible problem could arise. The 1999 plays it off as Gon was born and raised on whale island by his Aunt Mito with a dead mom's burial site. This deviates from the manga completely. How is changing ones back story (especially the main character) not "create" problems down the road? How hard is this to understand? IF she never makes an appearance or IF she gets confirmed to be dead then there isn't a problem. The problem only happens IF she is confirmed alive in the manga. The topic has yet to be handled in the manga, so unless you know what Togashi is going to do then you can conclude that a problem was created. So if we worded it as creating a possible problem down the road I would agree, and then it would be dependent on how his mom is introduced. If it's written that they thought she was dead having an honorary burial is hardly out of place or problematic. Seeing as Togashi hasn't really touched on it he very well could take a page from the previous anime and just go with her being dead. If anything this complaint is a prime example of the Schrodinger's cat theory. Since you can't prove either either both remain valid states. |
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| another great ep, cant wait for the next one. SCHWING! lol, that made me laugh so hard. |
Mikasa said: This arc shits on the 1999 version guys. IMHO...the H stands for holy. This ac isn't even that good to begin with, not even in manga. So no big deal. |
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eucalyptustree16 said: noonealive said: It does not matter if she appears or not. Gon was dropped off to Mito by his Dad(Mito and Ging are related). Gon's real mom is not comfirmed dead. The 1999 plays it off as Gon was born and raised on whale island by his Aunt Mito with a dead mom's burial site. This deviates from the manga completely. How is changing ones back story (especially the main character) not "create" problems down the road? I watched 99 version before reading the manga and was not bothered by the changes. So apparently they´re not that bad. So no, that´s not a problem. In fact, I´d rather have some minor changes, than the shit I had to get through with this version in the beginning. That lame soundtrack, bright colours and childish feeling. I will choose the first half of the Hunter exam of the 99 version anytime over this version. But the Zoldyck and Heavens arena arc go to this one. I'm tired of people listing "Bright colors" as a con. As if most anime now as days aren't lighter than anime in the 90's. The childish feeling was present in the 1999 anime as well, maybe even more so. Anime_Name said: "lol no" is an argument now? I addressed just about everyone that quoted me. That's hardly "ignoring" but I guessing not agreeing is the new ignoring for this generation. . We've had this argument before but like you've done to everyone you ignore what they say and continue to say the same thing. You clearly have trouble understanding how others have successfully countered your argument. |
I'm tired of people listing "Bright colors" as a con. As if most anime now as days aren't lighter than anime in the 90's. The childish feeling was present in the 1999 anime as well, maybe even more so. In the TV series and Yorkshin arc, no. For Greed Island, yes. I complain about the color palette of the 2011 series just as much as I complain about the Greed Island OVA's color palette. We've had this argument before but like you've done to everyone you ignore what they say and continue to say the same thing. You clearly have trouble understanding how others have successfully countered your argument. Yeah it's you trying to maintain that any and all changes are problems and are lesser than the manga just because it wasn't from Togashi's hand. So yeah, trying to go differences = problems isn't going to work. |
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Anime_Name said: Yeah it's you trying to maintain that any and all changes are problems and are lesser than the manga just because it wasn't from Togashi's hand. So yeah, trying to go differences = problems isn't going to work. This right here explains how you have not comprehended anything I've or anyone else has said. |
bleachjoj said: Anime_Name said: Yeah it's you trying to maintain that any and all changes are problems and are lesser than the manga just because it wasn't from Togashi's hand. So yeah, trying to go differences = problems isn't going to work. This right here explains how you have not comprehended anything I've or anyone else has said. I comprehend fine but don't think comprehension means I am going to agree. If you want to keep trying to question my comprehension then by all means point out the arguments I have not understood. |
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| @Anime_Name Candor said: You're right about that. That's why I applaud MH for making this arc fun and at least memorable... SCHWING!Yea, it's the most boring arc in HxH, but well there's always an arc where they explain something (Nen in HxH's case), which is a prelude for a great serie or a great arc that's gonna come next. eucalyptustree16 said: Yes, the changes aren't bad but you cannot say they are good either when you review it in the context of good storytelling. What would the 99 series do WHEN Togashi touch upon Gon's other parent? Gon obviously doesn't care (or seem to) about his birth mother but what about Ging?I watched 99 version before reading the manga and was not bothered by the changes. So apparently they´re not that bad. So no, that´s not a problem. In fact, I´d rather have some minor changes, than the shit I had to get through with this version in the beginning. That lame soundtrack, bright colours and childish feeling. I will choose the first half of the Hunter exam of the 99 version anytime over this version. But the Zoldyck and Heavens arena arc go to this one. The childish feeling IS intended. Does it not also occur to you when you read the manga (barring the graphic violence)? Even the manga covers of volumes 1-6 has a "childish" feel and look to it. As for the "lame soundtrack", I too was annoyed with it but after 10 or so episodes and it become apparent that MH doesn't intend to change how they use the soundtrack, I looked at it at a different angle: What if MH doesn't (fully) intend that the BGM match the mood of a scene but rather what the character(s) is/are feeling in that scene/event? It helps drive the point that these said characters are definitely NOT normal if they're feeling cheery and adventurous on a life and death scenario (Gon) or feeling sexy and flirty while fighting/killing people (Hisoka). It also serves as a distraction - aimed to the younger audience - and misdirection - aimed to casual viewers (read: parents) - that HxH is your regular kid-friendly anime... hence, the "cute" character design, the "kiddy" BGM and use of creative censorship. BlackListHunter said: She just forgot because Hisoka raped her and then he banged her head to a wall so she'll forget about it. :PI remember that in the old anime, machi was watching the fight between Gon Vs Hisoka. and when On that note, Machi in the old anime feels very feminine (lipstick!) with her doing her hair (w/ a mirror) while watching Gon-Hisoka fight when she's more of a tomboy in the manga. <---- which certainly shed light to WHY Hisoka is interested in her |
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eucalyptustree16 said: I watched 99 version before reading the manga and was not bothered by the changes. So apparently they´re not that bad. So no, that´s not a problem. In fact, I´d rather have some minor changes, than the shit I had to get through with this version in the beginning. That lame soundtrack, bright colours and childish feeling. I will choose the first half of the Hunter exam of the 99 version anytime over this version. But the Zoldyck and Heavens arena arc go to this one. See you read the manga so you know the material. Now Say if someone watched 99 version and read the manga from where the anime left off.... it's a problem no matter how big or small. So yeah it's a problem. |
Anime_Name said: How hard is this to understand? IF she never makes an appearance or IF she gets confirmed to be dead then there isn't a problem. The problem only happens IF she is confirmed alive in the manga. The topic has yet to be handled in the manga, so unless you know what Togashi is going to do then you can conclude that a problem was created. So if we worded it as creating a possible problem down the road I would agree, and then it would be dependent on how his mom is introduced. If it's written that they thought she was dead having an honorary burial is hardly out of place or problematic. Seeing as Togashi hasn't really touched on it he very well could take a page from the previous anime and just go with her being dead. If anything this complaint is a prime example of the Schrodinger's cat theory. Since you can't prove either either both remain valid states. Beating around the bush is sad. Look, changing how a person is characterized is a problem. It doesn't matter if Togashi hasn't presented Gon's mom yet. When people watch the 1999 anime and not read the manga they are going to have the impression that Gon was raised by his dead mom's sister. Which in fact she isn't dead in the manga nor related to Mito. It's a problem plain and simple. |
Vapz said: ...Let's just take a moment to appreciate that Hisoka was standing in front of a window. Stark naked. Someone got a great view of his glowing crotch... o___o;; |
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ankifeather said: snip To be fair, yes you are right. The 1999 anime did not have the luxury of 340 chapters to go off on, but, those changes you mentioned in 2011 are minor. It's not like killua never lies. A recent example is episode 32 when Killua lies about the Hisoka fight. Hisoka in that same arc killed many unprovoked. This is not like Killua being portrayed as a moody, distance, emotional burden child at first (Canary flashback). Or Gon being a lot more polite. Also |
So what about those scenes that doesn't completely match the manga? Are we suppose to think these characters suddenly got swapped with someone else, had amnesia, hit their head really hard, whatever excuse you can think up, and the reason why they suddenly change personalities? Or you could simply not make a big deal about a difference just because it's not in the manga. Still as you said that people could think Gon is against killing if they go by some scene in the original, such a thought would quickly be corrected in other scenes that are more close to the manga as those scenes are abundant in the series. A person who thinks Gon is against killing can only still have that characterization if they didn't finish the anime and since your arguing about 1999 anime fans it's not likely that they didn't finish the series. This is the same for any characterization you think is wrong. All a person would have to do to accept the proper characterization is realize that what the character is doing now is how the character is. That's what we call bad retcons. In short, the 1999 animators did a bad job adapting the material that they have to resort to "self-correcting" in the later parts for the mishaps they did on previous episodes. Good to know. You don't know what a retcon if you're using it this way. An anime is going to deviate from it's source at some point in time be it filler or censorship. When the anime gets back to being inline with the manga it is not retconing away anything it did prior. The only thing good to know is incessantly you need to exaggerate and misuse words just to make the problems you have sound worse than they really are. Incorrect. We love Hunter x Hunter, even if the anime was flawed (beggars can't be choosers), we still watched it until the end (even the OVAs) and recommend it to anime-only viewers in order to get many fans. In our minds, the 1999 series is different and left it at that. Incorrect what? You're not even commenting on what you quoted. If any of the anime-only parts led a viewer to an incorrect characterization then watching the entirety of the series would give them the correct characterization as there was more inline with the manga then out of line. Proof? In terms of anime adaptations HxH(1999) was generally held to be one of the most accurate shounen anime around. You don't get called accurate if all you do is deviate from the source. You're foaming on the mouth, I see. And you're running out of gas, I see. Kidding aside, I don't see the difference you speak of. The "big name shounen anime" you mentioned didn't changed their characters' core personalities. If you want to see how an anime do justice to the characters despite deviating from the manga plot, watch the Fruits Basket anime then read the manga. I do believe this part of the quote came from your comment about how the directer needed or had the balls to dare change Togashi's work and I called your attention to big name shounen work to show you it doesn't take balls to dare change Togashi's work. TV adaptations do it all the time, you blind sycophant. You were itching to throw back the "reading comprehension fail" at me, don't you? It was calculated and you, my dear, didn't disappoint. Too bad your comments above just showed how you fail at it more. Actually I was holding it back as the majority of your replies reeks of your failed comprehension. Showing is much more effective than tellling, no? Not if you're the 1999 series then you'd get accused of showing too much by hypocrites. Beating around the bush is sad. Look, changing how a person is characterized is a problem. It doesn't matter if Togashi hasn't presented Gon's mom yet. When people watch the 1999 anime and not read the manga they are going to have the impression that Gon was raised by his dead mom's sister. Which in fact she isn't dead in the manga nor related to Mito. It's a problem plain and simple. At this point it feels like a claim some people are making up and exaggerating. What the kind of different characterization happens because of the change in relation? Holy hell you people are stretching so far I'm surprised you haven't pulled a muscle. Sorry but you can't say it's a fact she isn't dead if you don't know and guess what, you don't know. What's plain and simple is folks like you need to open up damn dictionary and stop incorrectly using words just because they make your statements sound big and scary. |
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eucalyptustree16 said: noonealive said: It does not matter if she appears or not. Gon was dropped off to Mito by his Dad(Mito and Ging are related). Gon's real mom is not comfirmed dead. The 1999 plays it off as Gon was born and raised on whale island by his Aunt Mito with a dead mom's burial site. This deviates from the manga completely. How is changing ones back story (especially the main character) not "create" problems down the road? I watched 99 version before reading the manga and was not bothered by the changes. So apparently they´re not that bad. So no, that´s not a problem. In fact, I´d rather have some minor changes, than the shit I had to get through with this version in the beginning. That lame soundtrack, bright colours and childish feeling. I will choose the first half of the Hunter exam of the 99 version anytime over this version. But the Zoldyck and Heavens arena arc go to this one. Opinions are irrelevant, the question is did it or did it not create plotholes? And the fact Is: it did wether people like it or not. |
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coldwave said: Mikasa said: This arc shits on the 1999 version guys. IMHO...the H stands for holy. This ac isn't even that good to begin with, not even in manga. So no big deal. This arc introduced nen, that alone makes it a masterpiece. |
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eucalyptustree16 said: Mikasa said: Opinions are irrelevant, the question is did it or did it not create plotholes? And the fact Is: it did wether people like it or not. You can go on about the "technical flaws" but if it doesn't cut the enjoyment of the individual (who is of course ignorant of those things, because a mangareader will bitch about it for sure wether it's an unpleasant change or not) I don't think it's that much of a big deal. Because that's what anime is about: enjoyment. But I'm just giving my 2 cents here since I don't like it how every pro 99 comment gets attacked like predators surrounding its prey. And I'm sure I will get a half assed, sarcastic and short reply for this. But I'll leave it at this. That is hilarios because those pro comments come from butthurt people who started the half assed sarcastic comments against the 2011 version in the first place and now they are whining about the smallest things but when it comes to the huge flaws in the previous one, "oh no you gotta respect my opinion and let me troll all i want" That is how most of them sound I call bullshit Again, the entertainment is irrelevant, although it is still affected by the fuck ups the old version did since the story part is what entertains many people the most |
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| Well I admit that this series goes by kind of slow for me. However, this episode is one that we've all been waiting for since the fight on the island. It was really exciting and fast and all that. I'm also glad that they are done learning Nen, as I was finally starting to get bored of watching that stuff, even though it was necessary for the series. Yeah, the fight was awesome, as a lot of previous fights, it was predictable who was going to win. But now Gon is giving is 100%, so that's nice. |
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| You know what's hilarious. Completely myopic fans that ignore any and all attacks against the 1999 series in these types of threads just because they either share or don't mind. "Opinions are irrelevant, the question is did it or did it not create plotholes?" In the example of Gon's mother. No plothole was created. Gon's mother's state is unknown and if we assume that state is either alive or dead only one of those states would result in a plot hole. Since the fans do not know the state what has happened is a potential plot hole. That's what the facts say. sorry if you don't like how the logic really works. Again, the entertainment is irrelevant You sir, are worth the price of entry. |
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eucalyptustree16 said: But I'm just giving my 2 cents here since I don't like it how every pro 99 comment gets attacked like predators surrounding its prey. And I'm sure I will get a half assed, sarcastic and short reply for this. But I'll leave it at this. Yeah you suck. Joking aside, it doesn't matter to me which you like better. I loved the 99 series though I admit half of the series does not hold up well imo of course. Still a good series in it's own rite. My problem is that some continue to not understand that it has nothing to do with changing what Togashi did. Who cares how many fillers there are. But if those filler present changes the feeling or has characters acting differently, then continue to act like they do in the manga is inconsistent. Showing Gon huddled under a tree screaming and crying is a different take on Gon as a character. It's inconsistent on how he acts after especially Greed Island. You can say on they were expanding or whatever but all that at the beginning of the episode did not lead to Gon looking angry. He was still screaming. Again a different take. You can't deny that is not the same as the manga/2011. But I am done addressing Name since he fails to understand anything anyone says and can't admit he is wrong. |
Showing Gon huddled under a tree screaming and crying is a different take on Gon as a character. It's inconsistent on how he acts after especially Greed Island. Hmm crying in one place means he has to cry in another? Him not crying on GI just because he was shown to have cried before isn't an inconsistency as that crying scene did not make it seem like Gon cries on a frequent basis. This is just another example of how people like you need to exaggerate differences to make them sound worse than they are. Who cares how many fillers there are. But if those filler present changes the feeling or has characters acting differently, then continue to act like they do in the manga is inconsistent. I'm sure someone like you can look at any anime filler and point out discrepancies to how the characters act in the manga. Of course you don't because that would prove such discrepancies are normal for adaptations and aren't as significant as you pretending them to be in HxH. You can't deny that is not the same as the manga/2011. But I am done addressing Name since he fails to understand anything anyone says and can't admit he is wrong. Not only do you need to learn what inconsistency means but you need to learn that you are no longer addressing a person that mentioning them either by name or implication is still addressing them. |
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| I don't care if the problem is minor or big. I don't care if i didn't bother anyone. Deviating from the manga or making changes isn't good for a series that may be long term. I don't mind changes or unfaithfulness in an anime but to assume things that the manga yet has addressed is a problem. Anime_Name stated "The 1999 created no problems down the line." This here is an absolute statement which means "minor" problems or "possible" problems are voided. Sure buddy. |
noonealive said: I don't care if the problem is minor or big. I don't care if i didn't bother anyone. Deviating from the manga or making changes isn't good for a series that may be long term. I don't mind changes or unfaithfulness in an anime but to assume things that the manga yet has addressed is a problem. Anime_Name stated "The 1999 created no problems down the line." This here is an absolute statement which means "minor" problems or "possible" problems are voided. Sure buddy. You haven't said anything about problems, what you did say is the act of simply deviating from the manga or changing isn't good. I hate to the be one to tell you but that's a personal opinion, not a problem created by the 1999 series. In fact just glossing over TV adaptations in general shows that your personal opnion does not represent that of anime producers or the fandom that continually support long series that deviate from the manga. I'm sure there's a word in the English langauge that means what you are implying but "problem" isn't that word. Anime_Name stated "The 1999 created no problems down the line." This here is an absolute statement which means "minor" problems or "possible" problems are voided. Sure buddy. Report Actually it's more of quibble with phrasing than outright denial. |
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5gtg32 said: Anime_Name said: . Wow so reading this whole convo, You sir are a magnificent troll. Kudos. Anyway fantastic episode. Can't wait till 36. You made an account to say that. I have to say I am honored you needed to make an account just to converse with me. My antics just increased the memberships on MAL, I wonder if I'll get any kickbacks. |
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Anime_Name said: At this point it feels like a claim some people are making up and exaggerating. What the kind of different characterization happens because of the change in relation? Holy hell you people are stretching so far I'm surprised you haven't pulled a muscle. Sorry but you can't say it's a fact she isn't dead if you don't know and guess what, you don't know. What's plain and simple is folks like you need to open up damn dictionary and stop incorrectly using words just because they make your statements sound big and scary. Dam i can't stop laughing at each or your posts. No counter argument what so ever. I'm stating facts and all you doing is beating around the bush. "I'm using words incorrectly. I'm pulled a muscle. I want to sound big and scary." You put all this shit in because you had nothing else to talk about.... lol It's a fact that Gon's mom is dead in 1999. It's a fact that she isn't dead in the manga because it hasn't be addressed. It's not that hard to understand. |
Anime_Name said: You haven't said anything about problems, what you did say is the act of simply deviating from the manga or changing isn't good. I hate to the be one to tell you but that's a personal opinion, not a problem created by the 1999 series. In fact just glossing over TV adaptations in general shows that your personal opnion does not represent that of anime producers or the fandom that continually support long series that deviate from the manga. I'm sure there's a word in the English langauge that means what you are implying but "problem" isn't that word. It's a problem with out an answer. Anime_Name said: Actually it's more of quibble with phrasing than outright denial. So your in some sort of denial than? |
noonealive said: Dam i can't stop laughing at each or your posts. No counter argument what so ever. I'm stating facts and all you doing is beating around the bush. I don't beat around the bush. I said you were using the word "problem" wrong and need to open up dictionary to find a better word. It's a fact that Gon's mom is dead in 1999. It's a fact that she isn't dead in the manga because it hasn't be addressed. It's not that hard to understand. Prove it. Oh right because these facts you speak of are assumptions on your part and her actual state (living or dead) is unknown. Good luck with facts that aren't real. Laughing, right. |
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Anime_Name said: noonealive said: Dam i can't stop laughing at each or your posts. No counter argument what so ever. I'm stating facts and all you doing is beating around the bush. I don't beat around the bush. I said you were using the word "problem" wrong and need to open up dictionary to find a better word. It's a fact that Gon's mom is dead in 1999. It's a fact that she isn't dead in the manga because it hasn't be addressed. It's not that hard to understand. Prove it. Oh right because these facts you speak of are assumptions on your part and her actual state (living or dead) is unknown. Good luck with facts that aren't real. Laughing, right. Read all 340 chapters you won't see anything saying that she's dead. Theres my proof. FACT: 1999 says that she's dead. Prove to me that she is dead. Plain and simple. |
It's a problem with out an answer. It's an anime norm that you are incorrectly calling a problem. So your in some sort of denial than? The only state of denial I was in was denying that my previous statement was one of denial. |
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noonealive said: Read all 340 chapters you won't see anything saying that she's dead. So is she dead or not? |
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Anime_Name said: noonealive said: Read all 340 chapters you won't see anything saying that she's dead. So is she dead or not? Ging confirmed that she existed in chapter 62 page 5. He never said she was dead. The 1999 says that she's dead. Prove to me that she is because if you can't than that means it's a problem. |
Anime_Name said: It's an anime norm that you are incorrectly calling a problem. So it's normal for anime's to have problems? That what your getting at? So your in some sort of denial than? Anime_Name said: The only state of denial I was in was denying that my previous statement was one of denial. Stand corrected you were in some sort of denial. |
| Oh my, this is the same shit that happened with Fullmetal Alchemist. The base has been broken, and this time, it's not like the adaptations are even that far apart, so I don't really get what the whole thing is about. They're both nice but not quite perfect, the manga isn't exactly flawless either (you won't believe how much it hurts me to admit this), so I just wish everyone would get over it. It's an episode discussion, for fuck's sake. As for this episode... I found it amazing, except that the thirteen-year-old daughter of my parents' guests was sitting right behind me when I watched the glowing crotch scene and I had to bluff through some very awkward questions. |
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noonealive said: Anime_Name said: noonealive said: Read all 340 chapters you won't see anything saying that she's dead. So is she dead or not? Ging confirmed that she existed in chapter 62 page 5. He never said she was dead. The 1999 says that she's dead. Prove to me that she is because if you can't than that means it's a problem. You're beating around the bush now. We know she existed because Gon exists. In fact all Ging did was confirm they were separated. The question is, Is she alive or dead. It's a very straightforward question. I also don't you're referring to in ch62 but Ging aint in it. So it's normal for anime's to have problems? That what your getting at? Nope. But I find it funny now that you've accused me of beating around the bush and now yourself have done nothing to stooped to pitiful queries that try to twist what I say. Stand corrected you were in some sort of denial. Naturally when one comes under attack with false accusations and slander one tends to deny those things. Also I will repeat the state of denial I was in is different than the one you're hinting at. |
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