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5 out of 5: Loved it!
 
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3 out of 5: It was OK
 
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06-21-12, 2:09 PM

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Like talking to a brick wall.
 
06-21-12, 2:13 PM

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bleachjoj said:
Like talking to a brick wall.

Oh look another one-liner that is more of an ad hominem than a defense or support of anything that's open for discussion.

 
06-21-12, 2:28 PM

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This arc shits on the 1999 version guys. IMHO...the H stands for holy.


 
06-21-12, 3:29 PM

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Anime_Name said:
bleachjoj said:
Like talking to a brick wall.

Oh look another one-liner that is more of an ad hominem than a defense or support of anything that's open for discussion.


I've presented my argument multiply times and so have others. But you ignored them.
 
06-21-12, 5:31 PM

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Anime_Name said:
The wording was "created" problems down the line and such an assessment requires proof of what problems were "created". Seeing as it wasn't your statement you don't need to support it but latching onto it and doing a useless +1 post does nothing.

The game in the 1999 is a disparity and one that could be a problem, if and only if, Gon's mom ever makes an appearance in the manga.


It does not matter if she appears or not. Gon was dropped off to Mito by his Dad(Mito and Ging are related). Gon's real mom is not comfirmed dead.
The 1999 plays it off as Gon was born and raised on whale island by his Aunt Mito with a dead mom's burial site. This deviates from the manga completely. How is changing ones back story (especially the main character) not "create" problems down the road?
 
06-21-12, 5:57 PM

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bleachjoj said:
Anime_Name said:
bleachjoj said:
Like talking to a brick wall.

Oh look another one-liner that is more of an ad hominem than a defense or support of anything that's open for discussion.


I've presented my argument multiply times and so have others. But you ignored them.


"lol no" is an argument now?
I addressed just about everyone that quoted me. That's hardly "ignoring" but I guessing not agreeing is the new ignoring for this generation.

It does not matter if she appears or not. Gon was dropped off to Mito by his Dad(Mito and Ging are related). Gon's real mom is not comfirmed dead.


Since the word used was "created" then that means a problem exists not that a possible problem could arise.

The 1999 plays it off as Gon was born and raised on whale island by his Aunt Mito with a dead mom's burial site. This deviates from the manga completely. How is changing ones back story (especially the main character) not "create" problems down the road?

How hard is this to understand? IF she never makes an appearance or IF she gets confirmed to be dead then there isn't a problem. The problem only happens IF she is confirmed alive in the manga. The topic has yet to be handled in the manga, so unless you know what Togashi is going to do then you can conclude that a problem was created.

So if we worded it as creating a possible problem down the road I would agree, and then it would be dependent on how his mom is introduced. If it's written that they thought she was dead having an honorary burial is hardly out of place or problematic.

Seeing as Togashi hasn't really touched on it he very well could take a page from the previous anime and just go with her being dead. If anything this complaint is a prime example of the Schrodinger's cat theory. Since you can't prove either either both remain valid states.

 
06-21-12, 7:44 PM

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another great ep, cant wait for the next one. SCHWING! lol, that made me laugh so hard.
 
06-22-12, 7:21 AM

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Mikasa said:
This arc shits on the 1999 version guys. IMHO...the H stands for holy.

This ac isn't even that good to begin with, not even in manga. So no big deal.
 
06-22-12, 9:46 AM

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coldwave said:
Mikasa said:
This arc shits on the 1999 version guys. IMHO...the H stands for holy.

This ac isn't even that good to begin with, not even in manga. So no big deal.
Yea, it's the most boring arc in HxH, but well there's always an arc where they explain something (Nen in HxH's case), which is a prelude for a great serie or a great arc that's gonna come next.
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06-22-12, 11:15 AM

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noonealive said:
It does not matter if she appears or not. Gon was dropped off to Mito by his Dad(Mito and Ging are related). Gon's real mom is not comfirmed dead.
The 1999 plays it off as Gon was born and raised on whale island by his Aunt Mito with a dead mom's burial site. This deviates from the manga completely. How is changing ones back story (especially the main character) not "create" problems down the road?


I watched 99 version before reading the manga and was not bothered by the changes. So apparently they´re not that bad. So no, that´s not a problem.

In fact, I´d rather have some minor changes, than the shit I had to get through with this version in the beginning. That lame soundtrack, bright colours and childish feeling. I will choose the first half of the Hunter exam of the 99 version anytime over this version. But the Zoldyck and Heavens arena arc go to this one.
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06-22-12, 12:34 PM

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i loved the animation, the fighting was..it was..so best! XD <3
 
06-22-12, 3:29 PM

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eucalyptustree16 said:
noonealive said:
It does not matter if she appears or not. Gon was dropped off to Mito by his Dad(Mito and Ging are related). Gon's real mom is not comfirmed dead.
The 1999 plays it off as Gon was born and raised on whale island by his Aunt Mito with a dead mom's burial site. This deviates from the manga completely. How is changing ones back story (especially the main character) not "create" problems down the road?


I watched 99 version before reading the manga and was not bothered by the changes. So apparently they´re not that bad. So no, that´s not a problem.

In fact, I´d rather have some minor changes, than the shit I had to get through with this version in the beginning. That lame soundtrack, bright colours and childish feeling. I will choose the first half of the Hunter exam of the 99 version anytime over this version. But the Zoldyck and Heavens arena arc go to this one.


I'm tired of people listing "Bright colors" as a con. As if most anime now as days aren't lighter than anime in the 90's. The childish feeling was present in the 1999 anime as well, maybe even more so.

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"lol no" is an argument now?
I addressed just about everyone that quoted me. That's hardly "ignoring" but I guessing not agreeing is the new ignoring for this generation.

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We've had this argument before but like you've done to everyone you ignore what they say and continue to say the same thing. You clearly have trouble understanding how others have successfully countered your argument.
 
06-22-12, 4:20 PM

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I'm tired of people listing "Bright colors" as a con. As if most anime now as days aren't lighter than anime in the 90's. The childish feeling was present in the 1999 anime as well, maybe even more so.

In the TV series and Yorkshin arc, no.
For Greed Island, yes. I complain about the color palette of the 2011 series just as much as I complain about the Greed Island OVA's color palette.

We've had this argument before but like you've done to everyone you ignore what they say and continue to say the same thing. You clearly have trouble understanding how others have successfully countered your argument.

Yeah it's you trying to maintain that any and all changes are problems and are lesser than the manga just because it wasn't from Togashi's hand. So yeah, trying to go differences = problems isn't going to work.

 
06-22-12, 5:09 PM

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I remember that in the old anime, machi was watching the fight between Gon Vs Hisoka. and when
she didnt even recognize him. << plothole?
 
06-22-12, 5:33 PM

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Anime_Name said:

Yeah it's you trying to maintain that any and all changes are problems and are lesser than the manga just because it wasn't from Togashi's hand. So yeah, trying to go differences = problems isn't going to work.


This right here explains how you have not comprehended anything I've or anyone else has said.
 
06-22-12, 6:10 PM

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bleachjoj said:
Anime_Name said:

Yeah it's you trying to maintain that any and all changes are problems and are lesser than the manga just because it wasn't from Togashi's hand. So yeah, trying to go differences = problems isn't going to work.


This right here explains how you have not comprehended anything I've or anyone else has said.

I comprehend fine but don't think comprehension means I am going to agree. If you want to keep trying to question my comprehension then by all means point out the arguments I have not understood.

 
06-22-12, 7:44 PM

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Yea, it's the most boring arc in HxH, but well there's always an arc where they explain something (Nen in HxH's case), which is a prelude for a great serie or a great arc that's gonna come next.
You're right about that. That's why I applaud MH for making this arc fun and at least memorable... SCHWING!

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I watched 99 version before reading the manga and was not bothered by the changes. So apparently they´re not that bad. So no, that´s not a problem.

In fact, I´d rather have some minor changes, than the shit I had to get through with this version in the beginning. That lame soundtrack, bright colours and childish feeling. I will choose the first half of the Hunter exam of the 99 version anytime over this version. But the Zoldyck and Heavens arena arc go to this one.
Yes, the changes aren't bad but you cannot say they are good either when you review it in the context of good storytelling. What would the 99 series do WHEN Togashi touch upon Gon's other parent? Gon obviously doesn't care (or seem to) about his birth mother but what about Ging?

The childish feeling IS intended. Does it not also occur to you when you read the manga (barring the graphic violence)? Even the manga covers of volumes 1-6 has a "childish" feel and look to it.

As for the "lame soundtrack", I too was annoyed with it but after 10 or so episodes and it become apparent that MH doesn't intend to change how they use the soundtrack, I looked at it at a different angle: What if MH doesn't (fully) intend that the BGM match the mood of a scene but rather what the character(s) is/are feeling in that scene/event?

It helps drive the point that these said characters are definitely NOT normal if they're feeling cheery and adventurous on a life and death scenario (Gon) or feeling sexy and flirty while fighting/killing people (Hisoka). It also serves as a distraction - aimed to the younger audience - and misdirection - aimed to casual viewers (read: parents) - that HxH is your regular kid-friendly anime... hence, the "cute" character design, the "kiddy" BGM and use of creative censorship.

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I remember that in the old anime, machi was watching the fight between Gon Vs Hisoka. and when
she didnt even recognize him. << plothole?
She just forgot because Hisoka raped her and then he banged her head to a wall so she'll forget about it. :P

On that note, Machi in the old anime feels very feminine (lipstick!) with her doing her hair (w/ a mirror) while watching Gon-Hisoka fight when she's more of a tomboy in the manga. <---- which certainly shed light to WHY Hisoka is interested in her
 
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eucalyptustree16 said:
I watched 99 version before reading the manga and was not bothered by the changes. So apparently they´re not that bad. So no, that´s not a problem.

In fact, I´d rather have some minor changes, than the shit I had to get through with this version in the beginning. That lame soundtrack, bright colours and childish feeling. I will choose the first half of the Hunter exam of the 99 version anytime over this version. But the Zoldyck and Heavens arena arc go to this one.


See you read the manga so you know the material. Now Say if someone watched 99 version and read the manga from where the anime left off.... it's a problem no matter how big or small. So yeah it's a problem.
 
06-22-12, 8:09 PM

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How hard is this to understand? IF she never makes an appearance or IF she gets confirmed to be dead then there isn't a problem. The problem only happens IF she is confirmed alive in the manga. The topic has yet to be handled in the manga, so unless you know what Togashi is going to do then you can conclude that a problem was created.

So if we worded it as creating a possible problem down the road I would agree, and then it would be dependent on how his mom is introduced. If it's written that they thought she was dead having an honorary burial is hardly out of place or problematic.

Seeing as Togashi hasn't really touched on it he very well could take a page from the previous anime and just go with her being dead. If anything this complaint is a prime example of the Schrodinger's cat theory. Since you can't prove either either both remain valid states.


Beating around the bush is sad. Look, changing how a person is characterized is a problem. It doesn't matter if Togashi hasn't presented Gon's mom yet. When people watch the 1999 anime and not read the manga they are going to have the impression that Gon was raised by his dead mom's sister. Which in fact she isn't dead in the manga nor related to Mito. It's a problem plain and simple.
 
06-22-12, 9:04 PM

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BlackListHunter said:
I remember that in the old anime, machi was watching the fight between Gon Vs Hisoka. and when
she didnt even recognize him. << plothole?


there was no plothole because in the 1999 version


eucalyptustree16 said:

I watched 99 version before reading the manga and was not bothered by the changes. So apparently they´re not that bad. So no, that´s not a problem.

In fact, I´d rather have some minor changes, than the shit I had to get through with this version in the beginning. That lame soundtrack, bright colours and childish feeling. I will choose the first half of the Hunter exam of the 99 version anytime over this version. But the Zoldyck and Heavens arena arc go to this one.

I am not really bothered by the changes done by the 1999 version either. The only change I see as totally contradictory to the facts in the manga is Gon's mother background, but she has like 0 presence anyways.

There are some minor character changes in 1999, but I feel they haven't changed the characters personality more than 1 to 2%, but some pro-2011 people like to exaggerate the changes as if they gave the protagonists a personality overhaul, yet they don't mind/don't mention much the 2011 changes to character/story, when there equally are a lot.

examples:
* people talk about it's silly Gido & co. is portrayed in 1999 version as faking disability so Gon & Killua look better, but what of the 2011 version change where Hisoka was provoked by other examinees first and put on the defense rather than offense during the 1st exam when he killed them? isn't that a silly attempt to make Hisoka look better too?

* The manga dialogue where Killua told Gon that he, just like Hisoka is under a facade and his lying to Wing about his birthday was removed in the 2011 version....a tendency to lie is an important personality trait of Killua that should not be reduced. It is also bizzre that Killua could not sense Gon is missing after running for so long to catch up with the examiner in the 2011 version's first exam.

* in the manga Reorio, Kurapica and Gon can each open the testing door by themselves, why change it to three people together in 2011?

I could go on, but the thing is changes that don't accord with how the characters/story are portrayed in manga is not just a 'problem' of the 1999, but also that of the 2011 version.

To me, neither version's changes really diverted much from the manga, so I don't think they are problematic. It is only a problem if you believe that the manga is forever the best version of HxH and nothing the anime versions change can surpass that, which I don't necessarily agree with.

there are 3 versions of HxH, and at different points of the story, one version may present a better portrayal than another version. There are some parts of the story that I feel one anime version gave a better portrayal than the manga, and other parts that I feel the animes did not live up to. (eg I like 1999 version of exam most, 2011 version of Zoldyck arc most, manga version of Yorkshin most).

Arguments like "it's always better if you stick 100% to the manga" is not the objectve truth and just means there is not much point at all in having the animes, because we will then be watching the exact same story 3 times. If the anime team can come up with something better than the manga, then I am all for slight changes, if not ,then stick to the manga. Of course whether the change is for the better or not is everybody's own subjective view.

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