IntroverTurtle said: YuiDark said: It's an opinion.The hunter x hunter 99 has better Soundtrack then the 2011 however. The 2011 has better fights scenes. Better animation. No fillers ( Exception episode 76 of 2011 which is a filler ) Better voice acting. Then again Hunter x Hunter has a better soundtrack to 2011 is just better that's a fact not a opinion! In My world it's a fact! Jk |
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only4anime said: Yeah I understand, I was just pointing out that the animation was not the only thing (11) had on it.IntroverTurtle said: only4anime said: Or that (11) has less filler, more blood, more story, better art, and probably a couple of other things.It reall comes down to which you value more...the animation (11) or the ost (99). The music could make or break a scene; the same scene that I found epic while watching the old one was meh to me when I saw it in the new one. |
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only4anime said: We live in the same world ^.^ hehe I suppose XD! |
| Idk cuz the soundtrack for 2011 has been alot better than most tracks on 99 lately. Not only that but it is more bloody and brutal to watch and has way better pacing. Plus usually the most epic scenes in Hunter x Hunter are executed a lot better. |
HurricaneSweet said: It's an old one.Is this a new thread about 99 vs 11 or old one? |
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| HxH 1999 had much better music. Never really noticed it much in this version. |
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Yamanashi_Ken said: Although I prefer the artwork in the original Greed Island ovas much much more. I was fine with all of the points you brought up except for this one. I don't necessarily agree with some of the other things, but this one I definately don't agree with. It's not that I think you're wrong in saying so since it is your opinion, just from my perspective I don't know how anyone could prefer the original Greed Island OVAs animation to the new series. At least the 99 TV series and Spiders OVA were able to capture amazing detail through the cel animation in a lot of scenes that the digital animation of the reboot just couldn't capture. In the Greed Island OVAs case, however, it was done during a trasitional time period from traditional cel animation to cg/digital animation. In my opinion, these OVAs were included in the majority that had fairly lackluster animation with very rigid and awkward character movements and cardboard cutout looking character designs/backdrops. One of the worst examples was in Gon's fight with Genthru when they animated Genthru's arms extremely disproportioned from the rest of his design that made it look like his arms were bigger than his entire design when he was attempting to grab Gon's arms. Like I said, there's nothing wrong with your opinion at all, but I just always felt those OVAs were the weak point of HxH. To each his own I guess. |
Yamanashi_Ken said: My problems with 2011: Minor and major changes to certain characters developments and how they are portrayed - specifically Killua and Hisoka. They made took away the internal struggle Killua had during the Hunter exam between his assassin instincts and friendship with Gon. E.g. Killua going back with Gon when Gon runs back to help Kurapica and Leorio. In 1999 Killua let Gon go by himself. See this is why I can't stand the 1999 version. What you described here are exactly what 1999 version twisted and changed the characters from how they actually depicted in the manga. Why would Killua went back with Gon to save Leorio at such early point? That's totally out of character. They added so many fillers that actually changed and whitewashed the character of Gon and Killua into very cliche and predictable shounen archetypes. For example: Gon is turned into a goody goody angelic average boy who would feel sad and wonder why his dad abandoned him (when in the manga and the 2011 we all know how absolutely positive he is and never sulk about his daddy: he actually thinks it's cool that Ging left him because that means the Hunters way is something so special that's worth giving up for, and he want to be that too. That's how Gon's mind works, he is supposedly to have weird logic that puzzled others, he's not your average boy hero with typical vulnerability that audience are supposed to feel relate to). And 1999 version added all these 'extra' unnecessary and totally silly 'struggles' that Killua never had. Killua was never emo about his assassin instincts, he never had those silly dark urges or struggled the way 1999 laughably portrayed. He was so CLICHED in the 1999 version. While in manga, Killua ALWAYS have a bright, cheeky and normally cheerful demeaner and never gets emo in that early stage. What really torment Killua is something entirely different later. Not to mention they added a mary sue filler character to whitewash how Killua's family are just underground police who kill bad guys. But 1999 fans would chalk that up as 'development' and 'deeper character study' and 'touching' and what not, without realizing those fillers twisted the characters so much that they don't match what's become of the characters later in the series. But then so many of them were introduced to the series from 1999 version so the 1st impression stuck, and they did enjoy that version, so whatever your preference is...I don't care. I just find it annoying everytime these fans HAVE to bring up how 2011 version did the characters wrong, cut out development and what not...when in fact it was 1999 version that did it wrong and very badly. |
kcacoJun 27, 2013 4:05 PM
chikkychappy said: ^Please also write a novel about how stupid 2011 is for omitting Kaito early on, changing his relationship with Gon and dropping so much hints that he was going to die x________________x As bad as Kaito was handled in the 2011, it's still watch-able. It can never live up anywhere close to how horrible 1999 ruined the main characters and the obnoxious stupid fillers that ruin any enjoyment I could have. Lolack said: The soundtrack is half the awesomeness, just check out this one http://youtu.be/bk0F5iXp-t8?t=11m30s in the greed island ovas. I don't see how this track is anything other than repetitive, dated, have that TV show cheapness feel and felt slap onto the scene. There're better examples from 1999 series in my opinion. A lot of the synth tracks from 1999 series sounded really dated (not retro, just in a bad way). A lot of the 2011 tracks sounded cinematic and awesome. It's just a personal preference, I just prefer orchestral score. The ones they used in Phantom Troupe arc, G.I. and Chimera Ant arc are brilliant. |
kcacoJun 28, 2013 10:54 AM
knightmage14 said: I don't see how the 1999 version is more realistic. And the 2011 version has the Chimera ant arc so how can you say it's more ocmical and doesn't show the reality of the world.In differences regarding the hunter x hunter and the 2011 version of it the difference is that in regard to people who want a lasting and suspenceful anime then the 1999 version is the one which brings in the reality of the world The 2011 version however runs much faster and brings in the more comical stuff and defiance of reality that other anime has which the 1999 version lacks so if you want more comical and less harsh and realistic then 2011 version is the one However if you desire a more realistic view of life in an anime and how it still defies reality on some stuff but has most aspects of it then the 1999 version is the one you want to go with |
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knightmage14 said: i mean that it shows the depth of what brutality is like you see in the 2011 version its more like a normal comedy type anime lines and it shows things that are like for a little younger audience altough it still shows some aspects of needed to be older, the 1999 is more brutal and shows what real fights or suspence can do i was imersed in the depth of the suspence on each episode and what they can do and they show some interesting and funny comedy in 1999 in small portions like episode 26 of 1999 has a funny scene which is not in the 2011 version episode 18 it shows progress but i like to see battles more extended to put you on the edge of your seats to know what happens and the art is good in 2011 not as dark as 1999 but the story line sorta lost its suspence in most aspects of the original story line and it misses some episodes from the 1999 series like the boat hotel and being stranded on an old ship its so suspenceful that i loved those episodes so the 2011 is good its funny in most parts and it keeps you focused and up to speed but the brutality of what usually appears in 1999 is lost and the suspence is in hardley any parts of the episodes and when i mean realistic is like in 2011 episode 16 or 17 or 18 Gon was hit with a dart from that cobra guy hisoka sayed his dart wont make him move for it makes his muscle relax but gon was moving like normal and it showed him having more control of his body then saied in the 1999 version it actually showed gon having difficulty to move showing the realistic part of it that's what i mean by realistic Something tells me you haven't watched all of the 2011 version do you? :) |
| Rushed start. That really wasn't necessarily. Also worse choice of colours in my opinion. For the rest it is pretty much the same anime. |
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knightmage14 said: i have not finished the 2011 yet i know it has more comedy in it I don't recall seeing much comedy in the 2011 version. Because the 2011 version does not have the fillers (like the speculation of the final exam being a written test and the ship exam), a lot of the comedy was taken out rather than put in. In fact, most of the comedy I remember are just fun interactions between the characters (mainly Gon and Killua) which I believe were in the original as well. Just out of curiosity, how far are you in the 2011 version? |
| You can say anything, but the 1999 version isn't violent. The 2011 one is much more brutal,especially in the Yorkshin city arc. Plus, the 2011 version contains the Chimera Ant arc,that is the most gory and disturbing arc of HxH. And Madhouse,until now, is doing a great job. The anime now is almost identical to the manga. |
| http://i50.tinypic.com/2a0hjd5.gif Kurapika is the MAN! |
| 1999 ended when gon and kilua were teleported near kite 2011 continues after that |
| I don't really get the hysteria about OST from 1999. Sure got some uptempo stuff, but the arrangement is subpar compared to the OST of 2011. Besides, Chimera Ant Arc got some killer tracks, really enhances the disturbing and tense feel this arc aims to create. |
| I started watching the new anime and I enjoy it so far! On an aesthetic point of view I think I like both character designs but I have to say I miss the colors (as well as the backgrounds) from the 99 anime. (the new ones are cleaner but also much more saturated) As for the animation, the 2011 one is to me smoother and overall better. I understand what most people on this topic mean when they say the old anime felt more realistic because, well, it did feel more realistic to me too. The new adaptation follows step by step the manga and that's nice but I also happen to think that anime are supposed to add something to the original work. The 99 anime did feel slow sometimes, but it felt much more concrete. I don't believe Killua was portrayed as "an emo" at all. Instead, I think he was being pretty human because his childhood was terrible and honestly being a regular boy without any inner demon after going through all of this doesn't feel real. (the change of his face from the 2011 anime when we see him killing Johness almost feels like a split personality. It's a bit weird.) (Don't get me wrong Killua from the 2011 anime is adorable. But that's kind of the whole problem.) The scene where Gon is paralyzed because of the poison and look more than emotionally and physically drained from the 99 anime added something because Gon is 12 years old and he's not invincible. He's only a boy. And it is a nice reminder. Generally speaking, it's all going very fast and it doesn't make me as emotional as the old anime does. It doesn't feel as intense either. (Illumi was much more creepier in the old one and Hisoka's voice portrayed him, in my opinion, much better!) I also think the OST from 99 was better in a matter of emotions. However I haven't watched the 2011 anime entirely yet. And I'm being critical but I am honestly thankful they remade it, it's mainly very good and most of the voice actors are doing a wonderful job. It feels good to see them all again. |
LittlebreadsMar 24, 2014 3:45 PM
| 99 version is trash compared to 2011. just my taste though |
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electric-fan said: >TOPIC< Can anyone tell me? And why is it the 1999 version is being graded higher score? If I haven't seen both the 2011 and the 1999 version, which one would you recommend me more? Thanks :-) anyone who has truly seen both ... would recommend the 1999 .. realize that most people on myanimelist (wich hold mostly a new community of anime watchers ) and on the internet only saw the 2011 and are hypocrites that pretend to have seen both ... the hxh 1999 is more detailed, is darker / grittier , has a better portrait of killua /hisoka (wich are 2 important character) and add much more tension/atmosphere..... all 2011 does is cutting edges on the 1999 version ( almost same screenplay and stuff , but some actions/fights/dialogues are missing) refresh/add vivid colors and goes further .... needless to say i love both .. yes probably the new people getting into the show , the 2011 would be maybe better cause its also easier , u dont have to hassle with oav and special episodes ... but hxh purist might consider the 1999 |
apellonOct 28, 2014 5:31 PM
| 1999 (minus GI) > manga > 2011 and i watched 2011 first |
| a fuck ton of quality |
| Both are great but 2011 covered more material than the 1999 version. |
| 2011 is mainstream and has fanboys |
Valaskjalf said: 2011 is mainstream No, it's not pouplar enough to be called mainstream just yet. |
| The difference is Madhouse |
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| GOOD/POSITIVE POINTS HXH 99: -The color (hand drawn using pastel type of paints) -the original relationship between gon and kite RELATIVE: -Some dialogue fillers were well done -extra fights: kurapika vs hisoka, illumi vs gon, killua vs dorado https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqMEa2UZ2Ik -mini filler arc -Hunter exam arc was better - I LIKE the character designs (hand drawn is better) EXCEPT THE FANSERVICE NEGATIVE/BAD POINTS HXH 99 -fanservice -censorship (the only "gore scene" faithfully adapted in the 99 version and Not in the 2011 version, it was killua vs jones https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IzdahmVhSn0 ) -MACHI knew Gon before the york shin arc (she was watching the battle: hisoka vs gon) - Mito is Gon's aunt, MIN 5:33, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpzFjnY6jDE - Kastro vs Hisoka was skipped - The explanation of Nen was poor/bad done - the story is incomplete - Greed island arc - animation GOOD/POSITIVE POINTS HXH 2011 - the chimera ant arc, and chairman election arc - without fillers (except some dialogues in the chimera ant arc) - the explanation of nen - animation - kastro vs hisoka BAD/NEGATIVE POINTS HXH 2011 - The realationship between gon and kite was modified - color (DIGITAL ANIMATION: Colors used are based on light, not paint) RELATIVE - the Hunter exam was an average adaptation - the excessive use of slow pace in some parts of Chimera ant arc, NOT all the chimera ant arc |
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| The music in 1999 tops 2011 quite heavily I guess. Sets the mood nicely, slipped in at the perfect moments, depicts unspoken dialogue and internal dilemmas, lifts you up when you need to be cheered up, sad when sad, overall very touching. I can't really notice the music in 2011, and the OPs EDs are subpar as well (at least so far until my journey now up to the beginning of CA arc). Heard it's gonna be better. I hope. |
One of many examples which shows that old anime is better even in graphics department:   Or look at the floor in this scene: https://youtu.be/Zhj-YtrLmI8?t=1m18s In old anime it's detailed, in new anime it's just a copy/paste job with no details. I basically agree with Anime_Name and ensatsu-ken. They're the only ones in this thread who know what the word "adaptation" means and who can differentiate good directing from bad one. Places where action happens changes abruptly, characters befriend others instantly without delivering proper background, etc. Also, they explain here obvious things and treat viewers like idiots (or 5 year old kids), more so than in the old version. For example in the old anime it sufficed that Kurapica looked at the tatoo, in the new version he said it out loud revealing that he knows she lied and letting her prepare. Or Leorio *accidently* heard that the bus driver won't get him where he wants at the exact moment he wanted to get in. In the old version he wasn't so lucky. There are other examples but these are from the top of my head. Fillers in HxH were so uncommon and subtle that most people haven't even noticed they were there. In fact most of them enriched the story and characters making everything more logical (hence I consider old anime better than manga). Graphics was also better and I would prefer blu-ray remastered edition of HxH than new anime where director doesn't know how to direct. New anime does a better job at animating manga pages in a 1:1 ratio but it's not a better adaptation, on the contrary. As I've said dozen times already, directors of Hunter x Hunter suck. They can only copy and paste and when once in a while they try to show their "ingenuity" it turns out to be a disaster, like adding killing apples (the boars being KO-ed by a falling apples), getting rid of Kaito for no good reason, cutting some stuff out or rushing things up or even ending an episode in a worse moment than it was in old anime. A perfect example of not 1:1 ratio is when Hisoka commented on Gon not making it through the tower which you called generic (lol). That's exactly the comment you would expect from someone who regarded Gon as someone who might be a worthy opponent in the future. And if Gon couldn't even do in 72 h what he did in 6 hours (without rush) then it would mean he was really bad at judging people (and as it was stated in HxH manga, the better you are the easier you can judge someone's strength). So yeah, additions like these show that directors of the old anime understood the source material very well and did their job. Another example is the use of a narrator in the new anime, contrary to comments made by characters to show the viewers what's going on. The first method is artificial and in anime (or television overall) is intended for retards or kids who can't think for themselves and draw a conclusion themselves. In books all-knowing narrator is necessary because some things you can't show in any other way. In manga it depends but basically it's always possible to not use them, although that could require a massive amount of work (for example to actually show something via drawing that could be said in a few sentences) and space and mangaka have a limited amount of space/pages and time. However, when overused it only shows laziness of a mangaka. That's one of the reasons I despise chimera ant arc where there were dozens of pages with nothing but text from an all-knowing entity which could be done in a different manner. Anyway, my point is, where the new anime uses a narrator who hand-holds everyone, old anime used more subtle ways to explain some things. Either just by showing something explicitly or by using secondary characters as medium. In the Gon vs. Hanzo fight it was done particularly well and judges have shown to be exactly as I would expect them to. I mean, it's normal that a judge would comment on a fight and analyse it and hunters only staring (especially Menchi who is not the calm type) when a fight like the one we've seen was in progress would be unnatural. Thankfully, in the new anime Menchi commented on one thing at least but overall it was done much worse than in the old one. Also in old anime creators were taking into account such details as Gon stretching his hands which must have been numb due to being tightened around the fishing rod for such a long time or Gon being affected by Garreta's poison (in the new anime Gon was shown to be as resilient to poison as Killua). I don't want to make a humongous wall of text here so I'll link to some of my older posts where I go into detail why Hunter x Hunter 2011 is a bad adaptation nad a travesty. https://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?p=3798291#post3798291 (episode #1) https://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?p=3811190#post3811190 (#2 and #3) https://mangahelpers.com/forum/posts/2651984/ (#5) https://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?p=3845220#post3845220 (#6) https://mangahelpers.com/forum/posts/2663369/ https://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?p=3897328#post3897328 (#11 which were a certain scene was censored unlike in the old anime) https://mangahelpers.com/forum/posts/2710262/ (#12) https://mangahelpers.com/forum/posts/2711190/ https://mangahelpers.com/forum/posts/3045707/ (#48) https://mangahelpers.com/forum/posts/3102208/ (#52) https://mangahelpers.com/forum/posts/3031084/ (#56) https://mangahelpers.com/forum/posts/3032482/ https://mangahelpers.com/forum/posts/3052477/ (#58) https://mangahelpers.com/forum/posts/3082538/ https://mangahelpers.com/forum/posts/3108482/ https://mangahelpers.com/forum/posts/3109443/ https://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?p=3951977#post3951977 https://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?p=3953087#post3953087 https://mangahelpers.com/forum/threads/hunter-x-hunter-anime-fall-2011.71821/page-42#post-2783942 |
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