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Sep 28, 2011 8:00 AM
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well that kid sure was ............special
Sep 28, 2011 8:10 AM
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eh, nothing really happened....but it was cool to see Toshiro back in action lol
Sep 28, 2011 8:11 AM
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Badass chapter. And hey, Kubo drew stuff! ;p
"I... don't need anything else...if you don't need anything else."
Sep 28, 2011 8:14 AM
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Fai said:
Well this pretty much adds to my theory on shinigami being the badguys. So far ever since their reintroduction they have been acting like complete dicks. They have been messing in things they should not have any right to decide anything. this chapter (chapter 465) only proves that.


I feel like this wild guess theory is somehow wrong. :/
Sep 28, 2011 8:16 AM
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Nice try in translations but it needs work.
Though bad translations or not doesn't really matter as what Yukio said, or for that matter the content of this whole chapter, will soon be forgotten anyways.
Sep 28, 2011 8:21 AM
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OP characters gonna OP

Altough Toshiro is pretty cool so at least there's that.
Sep 28, 2011 8:38 AM
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Arashi89 said:
Fai said:
Well this pretty much adds to my theory on shinigami being the badguys. So far ever since their reintroduction they have been acting like complete dicks. They have been messing in things they should not have any right to decide anything. this chapter (chapter 465) only proves that.

I feel like this wild guess theory is somehow wrong. :/

You are kidding, right ? I though it was absolute truth.

I didn't hate this chapter.
I definitely have superpowers. I can feel it in my balls.
Sep 28, 2011 8:45 AM
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Good to see that the Shinigami aren't pussies anymore; they're finally getting shit done.
Sep 28, 2011 8:59 AM
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another dissapointing chapter. of all the possibilities of controlling an entire dimension, you choose to just summon useless monsters and start crying about your daddy? what is this shit.
Sep 28, 2011 9:07 AM

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Shiken said:
another dissapointing chapter. of all the possibilities of controlling an entire dimension, you choose to just summon useless monsters and start crying about your daddy? what is this shit.


He also put the rule that if someone is defeated then he gets killed, regardless if he's an ally or an enemy. Since he's a reality warper he could have put a rule that when an ally gets knocked out, he gets teleported instantly into a safe place, but hey, he's not the only one in Bleach that has made the least sensible choice.
Sep 28, 2011 9:34 AM

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i guess kubo trying his best erasing the fullbringer from the plot and the reader memory^^
Sep 28, 2011 9:41 AM
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ReaperEXE said:
Good to see that the Shinigami aren't pussies anymore; they're finally getting shit done.


The Shinigamis aren't, but the Fullbringers are.
Sep 28, 2011 9:56 AM

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Arashi89 said:
Fai said:
Well this pretty much adds to my theory on shinigami being the badguys. So far ever since their reintroduction they have been acting like complete dicks. They have been messing in things they should not have any right to decide anything. this chapter (chapter 465) only proves that.


I feel like this wild guess theory is somehow wrong. :/


And you are thinking that why?

Because renji, who has been an absolute nice guy since the first introduction and a chauvinist pig since his first scene with Rukia, was nice to a woman?

Yes, SS captains have code they follow, thts the basis of medieval japan society model kubo has been going for.

That still does not change the fact that SS has sent a team of heavy hitter captains to deal with urgently smaller matter they should not involve themselves with, is still actively hiding truth from Ichigo, did not tell him everything and is awfully more interested in situation than just "lets help ichigo".



Arashi89 said:
Shiken said:
another dissapointing chapter. of all the possibilities of controlling an entire dimension, you choose to just summon useless monsters and start crying about your daddy? what is this shit.


He also put the rule that if someone is defeated then he gets killed, regardless if he's an ally or an enemy. Since he's a reality warper he could have put a rule that when an ally gets knocked out, he gets teleported instantly into a safe place, but hey, he's not the only one in Bleach that has made the least sensible choice.


Aaand, apparently you missed the part where yukio is a sociopath.

he is not supposed to make sense. most of sociopaths don't. in fact WE don't make sense to them too. :)
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Overall decent chapter, but I doubt the dirty boots woman is dead. The whole situation just smells trickery, and we have a fact that her flashback was incomplete and we did not see her actual death.
Sep 28, 2011 10:42 AM

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These guys seem to be at the strength of minions, yet i am sure they dont have a superior of some sort. I have the feeling they gather the power to take revenge on someone ...


@ Fai

Renji said the captains trained for months to be able to fight Aizen. (at least thats what i remember) So do you think Aizen is somewhat connected to these guys or it's just that the threat (the real threat has yet to be revealed id say) is as big as Aizen was?
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Sep 28, 2011 10:57 AM

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Arashi89 said:
Fai said:
Well this pretty much adds to my theory on shinigami being the badguys. So far ever since their reintroduction they have been acting like complete dicks. They have been messing in things they should not have any right to decide anything. this chapter (chapter 465) only proves that.


I feel like this wild guess theory is somehow wrong. :/


and this chapter eliminated that theory how??
the soul society is like the average major country irl: they've done quite a bit of good, but also have quite a bit of blood on their hands.
Sep 28, 2011 11:01 AM

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4 fights left? (including Rukia's, if you can call that a fight). I hope we'll see a little more of Byakuya vs Tsukishima next.

And these fights are ending so quickly that I can't help but question if a single fullbringer has truly died yet... there's been so much trolling in this manga lately.

Sep 28, 2011 11:03 AM

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Arashi89 said:
Fai said:
Well this pretty much adds to my theory on shinigami being the badguys. So far ever since their reintroduction they have been acting like complete dicks. They have been messing in things they should not have any right to decide anything. this chapter (chapter 465) only proves that.


I feel like this wild guess theory is somehow wrong. :/


and this chapter eliminated that theory how??
the soul society is like the average major country irl: they've done quite a bit of good, but also have quite a bit of blood on their hands.

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This.

Even Nazi germany had some generally good-willed officials, some going as far as helping the persecuted to escape. Does not change the fact that the whole machine was utterly bad thing.
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These guys seem to be at the strength of minions, yet i am sure they dont have a superior of some sort. I have the feeling they gather the power to take revenge on someone ...


@ Fai

Renji said the captains trained for months to be able to fight Aizen. (at least thats what i remember) So do you think Aizen is somewhat connected to these guys or it's just that the threat (the real threat has yet to be revealed id say) is as big as Aizen was?


Aizen is the mettle for renji.

It s agoal, a thing he can measure himself for.

I can wish to be sing so good that I could beat Elvis Presley and DIO in singing competition. Does that mean I will drag their corpses out of the graveyard to singing competition? No.

For now, all it means is that Aizen is measuring stick for Renji. He wants to be able to face those kings of opponents and not get disabled in one hit.
Sep 28, 2011 11:07 AM
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Fai said:
And you are thinking that why?

Because renji, who has been an absolute nice guy since the first introduction and a chauvinist pig since his first scene with Rukia, was nice to a woman?


He wasn't shown to be a chauvinistic pig, he was just doing his job.

Fai said:
Yes, SS captains have code they follow, thts the basis of medieval japan society model kubo has been going for.

That still does not change the fact that SS has sent a team of heavy hitter captains to deal with urgently smaller matter they should not involve themselves with, is still actively hiding truth from Ichigo, did not tell him everything and is awfully more interested in situation than just "lets help ichigo".


Obviously they have their own personal reasons for doing so, they've always been hiding things from Ichigo.

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Aaand, apparently you missed the part where yukio is a sociopath.

he is not supposed to make sense. most of sociopaths don't. in fact WE don't make sense to them too. :)


He's also supposed to be a genius, not some whiny rich brat who should have had the power to tip the scale in the Fullbringers' favor but chose not to. Then he allows himself to be distracted by his own sob story so his feet and his power gloves can be frozen.

It has nothing to do with whether or not he's a psychopath, that doesn't excuse these stupid actions. He's only doing this because the plot needs him to.

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Aizen is the mettle for renji.

It s agoal, a thing he can measure himself for.

I can wish to be sing so good that I could beat Elvis Presley and DIO in singing competition. Does that mean I will drag their corpses out of the graveyard to singing competition? No.

For now, all it means is that Aizen is measuring stick for Renji. He wants to be able to face those kings of opponents and not get disabled in one hit.Aizen is the mettle for renji.


Good luck trying to defeat an immortal, overpowered being who easily trolled most of the captains in Fake Karakura Town. Maybe Renji should set more reasonable goals like trying to surpass Byakuya.
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Funniest part of this chapter was me misreading the title: "screw driver"...
Sep 28, 2011 11:27 AM

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Fai said:
Zodiac_Prince said:
Arashi89 said:
Fai said:
Well this pretty much adds to my theory on shinigami being the badguys. So far ever since their reintroduction they have been acting like complete dicks. They have been messing in things they should not have any right to decide anything. this chapter (chapter 465) only proves that.


I feel like this wild guess theory is somehow wrong. :/


and this chapter eliminated that theory how??
the soul society is like the average major country irl: they've done quite a bit of good, but also have quite a bit of blood on their hands.

^
This.

Even Nazi germany had some generally good-willed officials, some going as far as helping the persecuted to escape. Does not change the fact that the whole machine was utterly bad thing.


Aaaand you just broke Godwin's law from the first page of the thread! Good job guys, give yourself a round of applause!

But really, the SS might not be the best government ever existed, and they have clearly something to cover. However, Renji (which, by the way, I don't remember him being chauvinist, but it could be just my memory) showed us that they're not there to kill and leave no witnesses. Because, if they really are, why bother saving her? If she's going to get tortured or something similar, why not giving her a mercy kill? The captains are pretty much given carte blanche over what to do in this mission.

As for game boy guy, you missed completely my point. He's a sociopath, I get it. But he's supposed to be the strategist of FBs and furthermore, he's a God inside his own game world. If he has so much power why lose precious allies and his life if he can just shoot them?
Oh right, he's too broken. The heroes won't have a chance if he actually acted seriously. Kubo just wrote himself into another dead-end.
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I hate how kubo gave these guys cool abilities like controlling time or bringing a video game to life but then when they enter a battle instead of being clever with their abilities they go for the "I'll kill you with brute strength!" route. I would've had Yukio shooting lasers and or give himself a master sword kinda weapon or something. And then Jackie who's actual ability is brute strength doesn't remotely put up a fight.

Tsukishima better not throw away his ability and turn into some big muscle man like these other guys are doing.
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it could have been a good chapter but then all i could think about was one word.....rubbish.
Sep 28, 2011 2:40 PM
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They are to strong and in 10 -15 chapters a stronger guy will pop up and they will look weak, always the same thing.
Sep 28, 2011 2:47 PM
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...where's my Tsukishima and Byakuya battle?

At least it seems like these battles are going to be over soon.
Sep 28, 2011 3:03 PM

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Hitsugaya: I won't converse with you.
That dude: Blah Blah
One panel later:
Hitsugaya: Blah Blah about powers
Me: Facepalm.

Nothing happened.

Fai said:
Aaand, apparently you missed the part where yukio is a sociopath.

he is not supposed to make sense. most of sociopaths don't. in fact WE don't make sense to them too. :)


In that case in Bleach there are a lot of sociopaths.
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Sep 28, 2011 3:19 PM

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StripFeeling said:
In that case in Bleach there are a lot of sociopaths.


I chuckled at that.

Really, that was some pretty bad writing in that chapter. Kubo really have trouble adjusting the power-level of the villains and thinking of a creative way to beat them, so he just goes with asspulls, in that case, "lolpsychology". The dialogue page 16 was awful.

Now I can't wait for the next few chapters, where Yukio will reappear saying "Since when were you under the impression that you froze my arm ?"
Sep 28, 2011 5:06 PM

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Not much happened lol but still to see Toushro in action again.:P
Sep 28, 2011 7:00 PM

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Eh, that was ok.
Sep 28, 2011 7:57 PM

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It was alright. Nothing really made me go- :O
Sep 28, 2011 9:35 PM

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so weak man.
Sep 28, 2011 10:32 PM

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Two-panel flashback. Okaaaaay.
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Renji's fight ended so fast, and suddenly he changed his idea about fighting woman.

Toshio is cute and cool at the same time as always!

Yukio was... broken (kowarete!) from having the power and his parents "abandoning" him (though he denied).
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The chapter was okay, it's not good but it's not too bad. The fights are boring though it's obvious that full bring are weaklings~

Hope we see in next chapters the fights between Ichigo vs Ginjou and Tsuki vs Byakuya!
Sep 29, 2011 3:16 AM

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If Yukio has full control over that 'space', he could've tried a little harder. And it's interesting that he's calling Toshiro a brat (or did I misread that?), since Toshiro is much older if i'm not mistaken.
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So much for not wanting to converse.. they were talking a lot and the "action" was lame.
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Now I can't wait for the next few chapters, where Yukio will reappear saying "Since when were you under the impression that you froze my arm ?"

Yeah, I'm waiting for this too. It's too fast.
His power are interesting. I thing that one of the limits are that you(your comrades) & your opponent must play the same set of rules. Something like that.
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Sep 29, 2011 4:17 AM

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That was alright!

Enjoyable with some good big panels to drool over!

More Byakuya please!
Sep 29, 2011 8:55 AM

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Really now...just wtf? this chapter was just bad, period.
Sep 30, 2011 4:48 AM

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Lol Kubo actually trying now to make us feel something for those useless fullbring characters. Sorry Kubo it won't happen. We are just waiting for their arc to end hoping that something better might follow.
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For someone who could've made up any rule he wanted he sure made some rubbish ones.
Oct 1, 2011 5:33 AM

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U don't have to read Bleach if ur just not in the mood >_>
I enjoyed all the past episodes, every-single-moment-of- it >_>
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I like Renji's new attitude, and how Hitsugaya so calmly disposed of this brat. Though it does seem that after all these chapters of not giving out any information, Kubo's now making these characters incredibly talkative and free with their pasts. Oh well, that's the Shounen Jump way I suppose. I can't necessarily blame him for that.

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I get that kubo is using this arc after the time skip to reintroduce his old chars and have them easily beat opponents to make them look cool.
You shouldn´t do this to opponents you built up for I dont know how many chapters though.
This arc is was just so awfull I just want to get it over with before I am too bored to drop the series. Just end it Kubo -.-
We know how all the fights are going to end from now on...
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That kid Yukio to Hitsugaya, probably.
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Another lame fight.
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kubo is not cooking LMAO

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