Attack on Titan
| It's not bad but it's not the best. Also post this in the manga section. |
| Definitely one of the worst endings in history of fiction. |
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LiterallyHou said: >Writes all this shit >Literally accomplishes nothing but confirm the opinions of the handful of recognizable forum posters on this thread who orbit a series that violated them, because almost no one else is going to read his spiel. Basedman. Would ironically updoot you if I could since you did this all on a forum site that doesn't even support forum post reactions. I wrote virtually all of that at different times in various places. In a response to people that kept asking me why i despise the ending, i just copied-and-pasted here, it's not one single post originally, but i didn't even need to write connecting lines really, because i stayed consistent throughout. Technically i could copypaste far more than that, because i had numerous blogpost arguments throughout the year after the ending, but that would make it 10x longer. And i thought that was enough. As for why i spent so much time arguing about this series, it's quite simple, i used to love it. This used to be one of my favorite works of fiction. |
| Oh wow, this post turned into something....... it seems everyone from r/titanfolk is here |
| It's one of the worst endings that I've seen since Mass Effect 3. I really hope they go anime original. |
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Pio_neer said: >Implying that only people from Titanfolk hates the endingOh wow, this post turned into something....... it seems everyone from r/titanfolk is here |
zerotitan said: As for the logistics reasoning regarding rumbling you gave, I think you are not right there. Yes Eren is still in Africa but still the from the point where Rumbling began to the place where Final battle took place both are around ............. And in my opinion it is entirely possible for the rumbling to have that much difference in the distance it covered in same time. Hmm, i'm assuming titans move far faster on land compared needing to swim, and the distance between paradis and africa is short enough for them to quickly get to the continent and then move full speed. But it would make sense that Eren sent his titans 360 degrees, and those who needed to reach America and Australia would be much slower, considering they would need to overcome Atlantic and Indian oceans. Also i'm not sure why and how much slower Eren is himself considering he initially reached "Africa" at the same time as the colossals. But maybe you're right, i don't know, i haven't done the exact calculations comparing it to the real world like you have. The problem with that would be the fact we cannot really be sure that it's exactly the same scale as the real world, it cannot be an objective criticism. So you have to judge in-universe, and Eren was still in "Africa", so i assumed that his titans couldn't have been too further away. Maybe a bad assumption on my part, maybe not. I, one way or another don't want to get stuck on this point. Also, regarding Eren being turned into slave of fate, idk if you liked the twist of Eren manipulating Grisha into Killing the royal family, but the moment we were shown this was the moment that sealed the fact the Eren in fact was a slave to the fate, a slave to an outcome he can not change no matter what. That's what made him even more tragic and perhaps little more justified in the decision he took. Most people absolutely loved this twist and the fact that Eren manipulated Grisha creating a causal loop. I don't know if they realized it or not at that time itself but this guide (https://www.reddit.com/r/ShingekiNoKyojin/comments/d1q0v9/manga_spoilers_the_complete_guide_to_chapter_121/) which perfectly explained this chapter and the form of time travel stuff used in AOT and its implications, but when in the last it was revealed Eren was in fact a slave to a predetermined fate all people were somehow suddenly turned off and are against it? Like you were rooting for Eren more than ever when he forced Grisha into doing something what already happened, which made it obvious and clear as heck that Eren is a slave to the future (This point is not direct to you). I also didn't like the fact that Eren was turned into a slave of Ymir's out of no where introduced unrequited love story which not only cheapened and completely retconned both Eren and Ymir in 122 but doesn't make sense in the story itself as it was brought literally out of no where. But Eren and Ymir both being slave to fate was more feasible and logical for me and I don't think that is weak writing or cheapened Eren in any way. There were many indications throughout post time skip which can be considered as Eren trying to know if the future he saw manifests into reality or perhaps he even tried to change it but seeing and saving Ramzi was perhaps the last nail in the coffin which sealed it even for Eren and he realized that he can't change the future he saw which turned him into the chad Eren as we know it. Because before that, Eren still knowing the future acted nicely with his friends. The difference perhaps is the presentation. The idea of things being set in stone has been established long ago, but it didn't feel like Eren was a slave that was being controlled by the fate or Ymir. It felt like he was still in control of his own fate, furthermore it felt like he took control of his own fate. In other words everything was set in stone because Eren was Eren, and he would never back down, never stop struggling. It felt like attacking titan is attacking titan BECAUSE of Eren, his influence on time was so strong that it dictated the entire attacking titan generations, that quality attacking titan had, the characteristic of never giving up no matter what and when, which was first verbalized by Eren Kruger wasn't anything innate about the titan, it was always the fact that Eren Yeager is part of that inheritance. The picture that was being drawn there was of a protagonist that we followed since his childhood growing up and taking his life in his own hands. That is something many people will identify with. It is inspiring. I don't like how he was dubbed as chadren, i think it's a memey way to describe his growth. He matured, and became a man. A leader to follow, a human to admire, a man to love. Conflicted but determined. And above all, Free, free to fight, free to love, free to live, free to challenge the entire world that tried to deny all of that to him. I'm sure you've seen the meme of him telling hallucigenia to keep moving forward and get out of the sea, basically keep evolving. Eren didn't feel like the slave of fate, he felt like the fate itself. From narrative standpoint he was the antithesis of Karl Frtiz. If Karl Fritz with his ideology influenced the entire royal bloodline after him, Eren with his ideology has been influencing the entire attacking titan line that came before him. His and Karl's ideology stood in such stark opposition. But i can no longer say that after 139, after 139 he feels quite similar to Karl. And that is such a shame. Such a letdown. His character progression has been betrayed to put him on the same page with his friends, the alliance. To a point that i would call it character assassination, i think he was way past of what happened in 139 as a character. 139 sort of pretended that the cave scene with Historia didn't happen. But that's a different conversation altogether. Also, I do disagree on Eren's motivation being only detitanization. Eren's motivation was saving his friends, saving Paradis island, detitanization, him realizing that future is set in stone and even more importantly his twisted idea of freedom, he very clearly mentions that he is doing rumbling for himself as the world was not what he wanted it to be. So Eren had multiple conflicting and contradicting motivations, you can't point out any one point being as prime driving point for full rumbling. I didn't say motivations, when talking about motivations you have a cocktail of things you really shouldn't ever mix. I've spoken about that plenty in here. I specifically said the plan, Eren said he kept moving forward because that's the future he saw, detitanization. And that created a lot of problems, a lot of things don't make much sense if we're to take that as a fact, that why i brought up detitanization in the first place. It renders a lot of things meaningless in the series, logistically and narratively. |
XilverMar 16, 2022 1:10 PM
FALSE_G0D said: "just go back to titanfolk" saying as if it is some kind of house and I am living in it lmfao. These type of insults are soo much childish. Ah yes, yet another poll where the majority vote goes to those who found the ending simply average to good as opposed to the ending seethers whilst the forum posts themselves consist of said vocal minority screeching about how Isayama put them on suicide watch. You should've made this thread on the manga discussions, OP, not only because that's where all the lowest of the low AoT threads reside but because more of the ending seethers live on that forum board than on this one. TheFounder131 said: how to fucking upvote this???? How to updoot this???? Just go back to r/titanfolk circlejerk, redditor. You just got butthurted cause the majority of the opinions doesn't agree with you, A childish behaviour. If someone didn't liked the ending, he/she has to be from titanfolk, like whaat?? this type of logic is giving me brain tumor. Also Grass is still green to touch. |
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FALSE_G0D said: I understand now why people like you get clowned to pieces on there. TheFounder131 said: "just go back to titanfolk" saying as if it is some kind of house and I am living in it lmfao. These type of insults are soo much childish. You just got butthurted cause the majority of the opinions doesn't agree with you, A childish behaviour. If someone didn't liked the ending, he/she has to be from titanfolk, like whaat?? this type of logic is giving me brain tumor. Also Grass is still green to touch. Ok r/titanfolk redditor, whatever helps you cope. I don't know what's funnier, the fact that an r/titanfolk browser is telling others to touch grass or the fact that you're barely literate and trying to come up with a response. You're using a sub-reddit to try and discredit him when in actuality, most if not every single person like you (Whom I'm assuming to be a mindless ending defender) when asked to explain the shitty aspects of this ending, the only thing you guys can say is "You just dont understand the manga" or something as irrelevant and empty as this comment right here lol Xilver gave you all a little taste of why this ending is dogshit and instead of responding to him with an actual well thought out argument to suggest why its incorrect, you chose to just take a jab at people by accusing them of being apart of a sub-reddit that's actually filled with people with common sense unlike ending defenders such as yourself If you don't have anything constructive to say or anything to actually credibly add to the discussion at hand, just stfu and move on |
TokoyaMar 16, 2022 1:11 PM
| The ending is absolute masterpiece, best thing I ever see in manga history yet. I even re read it multiple times to enjoy the mysteries again. Wait lemme show you my favorite part, I will just check my aot manga.... WAIT WHAT??? There is chapters beyond 90??? |
| MUDA MUDA MUDA MUDA MUDA MUDA MUDA WRYYYYYYYY |
| It was good, but by aot standards where pretty much episode is epic, it is a pretty considerable free fall. |
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on FALSE_G0D said: If there's ever a post on this forum that's so obviously full of shit, it's this one lolTokoya said: I understand now why Nah, you don't understand anything lol, and that's obvious to the bypassing eye. Tokoya said: You're using a sub-reddit to try and discredit him when in actuality, most if not every single person like you (Whom I'm assuming to be a mindless ending defender) when asked to explain the shitty aspects of this ending, the only thing you guys can say is "You just dont understand the manga" or something as irrelevant and empty as this comment right here lol And indeed, you don't understand the ending too. Seems you've been told this so many times that you're starting to expect it. I don't know what the purpose of your response was since all it did was throw shitty insults at me while telling me to "move on", but I feel the need to state that I don't live on a forum board where I mass-post pseud takes every opportunity I get all whilst under the impression it doesn't in actuality make me look like a double digit IQ sperg to everyone, though. Your talking points have already been systematically dismantled and humiliated on every social media platform and has been pursued back to a notorious circlejerking subreddit where even the mods of that subreddit throw shade at its users (this is how you know it's over, when even reddit mods show pity for you); and you're becoming an increasing (vocal) minority. Xilver gave you all a little taste of why this ending is dogshit and instead of responding to him with an actual well thought out argument to suggest why its incorrect, you chose to just take a jab at people by accusing them of being apart of a sub-reddit that's actually filled with people with common sense unlike ending defenders such as yourself Amazing how you said this with a straight face. Absolute 0 self-awareness. Yeah, so sorry I didn't take the time to read his literal 1000 word dissertation on why "ending bad >:(" and write up my own essay breaking down his arguments on the MAL AoT forums, you freak. Clearly, I'm just not invested enough like you are I guess, big brain boy. He definitely seems more intelligent than you though at least, just by seeing the way you type. If you don't have anything constructive to say or anything to actually credibly add to the discussion at hand, just stfu and move on Agreed. Your response did nothing but throw shitty insults that lower brain cell count and then tell me to "just stfu and move on" lol. Just keep moving forward and stop posting, please. But okay then, please enlighten me as to how I don't understand the ending and break down how it's good and how it makes sense using actual evidence from the manga and not your own baseless headcanon |
| it's pretty bad but I have been following for so long that meh could be better. |
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| I couldn't possibly conceive of a worse resolution than that. Not the outcome (Eren dying and a sort of temporary peace/armistice between the island and the world) which you could see from miles away, but the way the story was resolved was particularly bad. The whole chapter 139, additional pages included, was insulting. |
majinaleMar 17, 2022 5:51 AM
| My biggest issue with the ending is that it confused many people, who totally didn't understand what was happening. |
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cl0s3tweeb said: 10/10, grammy nomination when xDDFumbling, Fumbling, it's coming! Fumbling, Fumbling! Beware! Coming for you! All I ever wanted to do was open an onsen I never wanted to create fanbase toxin, I swear All I ever wanted to do was make a lot of yen I never wanted to pick up a pen, I swear gavinweb said: I knew this was going to be the Invaderzz video that you linked lol, that video is just a huge reach in an attempt to try and make sense of things but even he said so himself that there's nothing to actually back it up in the manga, and instead this video is just filled with circular reasonings.Xilver said: I'm been reading this manga for 9 years, and been discussing it actively, i'm not kind of a person who just enjoys the ride and doesn't think about the story. So over the years, we in active manga community came to a conclusion that FT cannot possibly have the power to control the other great titans, meaning cannot manipulate their memories, because if he could then the great titan war makes no sense, the war because of which Karl Frtiz lost all hope in his empire, after the bloodshed he witnessed in that civil war. That's also why Frieda didn't just erase Grisha's memories during the cave conflict. That rule has to be the case for the lore and the story of the series to make sense, logistically. Then 139 comes out, and we get not only FT being able to manipulate the great titans, but he can also manipulate the memories of Ackermans, meaning Karl Fritz easily could have ended the bloodshed any moment he wanted, and he also could easily made sure to neuter the attack titan, and also the entire thing with Ackermans being persecuted within paradis because their memories couldn't be erased, is a nonsensical bullshit. So Isayama broke two rules, and why did he do that? - For the cheap melodrama with Mikasa, and his friends saying "what a man you are", it has been done to create a scenario in which Eren can make up with his friends. That to me is a case of an extremely weak writing. Add that to the fact that he robbed Eren of his character agency in attempt of absolving Eren of his sins, and the ending just feels like a complete cop-out. The way i see it determinism exists in a poor attempt of Isayama trying to make sense of the story by claiming that everything effectively happened because it was destined to happen, to tie up the loose ends. Also a case of extremely weak writing. If he didn't have the balls to go all the way, then he shouldn't have drawn the rumbling in the first place, and post-time-skip Eren pre-138 shouldn't even exist. The ending reveals that Eren's plan was detitanization, the future he saw. Which means the entirety of Marley arc and Revolution arc have no basis. And Eren didn't need to play 4d chess with Zeke in order to activate the rumbling. He could have just used Historia, she would detitanize anyway, there was no sacrifice. And even if there was sacrifice who cares, why was Eren ready to sacrifice the rest of his friends but not Historia, it makes no sense. None of it makes any sense. The ending reveals that for 2000 years a loli goddess couldn't find another girl that really loved a guy. Something that is absolutely absurd at face value and needs no further explanation. And don't even get me started how it completely contradicts 122, which depicted how Eren frees Ymir and says "you were waiting for me all this time, weren't you?". And it's not like Eren was delusional. The chapter itself clearly depicted everything in such a way. Go reread it and see the face Ymir makes, it makes no fucking sense from narrative standpoint. Literally none of the post time skip shit needed to happen. Marley was completely pointless. Revolution was completely pointless. The Yeagerist stuff was completely pointless. The Yelena stuff was completely pointless. Fucking Falco somehow became the fucking beast titan for 0 fucking reason and learned to fucking fly. It makes ZERO sense. The fucking silliness of Ymir resurrecting all the past titans with their silly designs that just don't fit in the context of the final battle, of the culmination of a series that was taking onto itself very serious themes and discussions. It was more like out of a marvel movie. So what do we have at the end here: -Eren's character assassinated and turned into the slave of Ymir/Fate with fried brains, that actually wanted to flee from his own war and seclude himself in his own walls, that's why people started calling him Karl Yeager, or Eren Fritz. -Mikasa, a one-dimensional character that was not properly developed since season 1 turned into the centerpiece of the entire story. A weight her character had no ability to carry whatsoever -Numerous plot contrivances and straight up plot holes. Falco suddenly turns into the Beast titan and learns to fly. Characters just happen to be exactly where they are needed for the plot. Alliance charges in into heavily controlled enemy territory and gets out with ZERO casualties. The founding titan suddenly can manipulate the memories of other great titans and Ackermans, rendering the entirety of the lore and the history of the series into nonsense. Rumbling making no logisitcal sense when it comes to time-frame and the scale, Eren himself was still in Africa. -Nonsensical story-lines that go nowhere, like the pregnancy, which literally is a plot hole with the dates and her lying about when she got pregnant and complete nonsense on how it was needed for the plan. -Eren's motivations and decisions make no sense with 139 revelations, and retrospectively make both Zeke's plan and Kiyomi's plan much better alternatives, both of which he rejected because muh Historia, even though he didn't give any real shit about her, and lied to her and didn't even bother to send a farewell message to let her know that he fucking lied to her. -Characters literally disappear and written off the story, like Yelena, god knows why she existed, god knows what she did, and god knows what happened to her. -Ymir, literally everything about her. I can keep going, and long. But i think Eren's "I kept moving forward so that Mikasa kills me" settles it. Completely ruined narrative. Man I feel that. I really recommend this video tho cause it explains wrens true goal and the motives and all that stuff. I know it’s a long video but I recommend it man- have a good one! https://youtu.be/H6GmVCD7cxk But if you want to watch a real critique of this ending with actual evidence from the manga to back it up, watch this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hr44dBCWcHY |
TokoyaMar 17, 2022 7:18 AM
| It's not just that bad, it's garbage |
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| Definitely not the best ending, but it absolutely isn't the worst either. It's good, though relative to the rest of the series, which has such a high standard of quality in writing, I'd agree with the Western consensus that it's "fine". 7/10 ending for an otherwise 9.5 story. |
| ok it wasnt as bad as i was expecting but it also wasnt good, it was really anticlimactic and just kinda dumb in general. i wish they elaborated more on why they had to kill eren, it was so rushed. as well as the random ass kiss what was that lmfao |
| Thank you for including the "meh" option. Clearly a good portion of us don't think it's either trash or amazing |
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| The ending was obvious i knew there was no way Eren will make it to the end alive, Still the major problem was how underwhelming his "sacrifice" was, It wasn't as heavy as Lelouch's or as unforgotten as Erwin's it really felt like someone just wanted to write a quick reason why Eren "accepted" his fate instead of finishing his plan. In conclusion i'm fine with Eren dying but not in that boring way, now if you'll excuse me i have a Copium dosage to take (Aoe is happening boys). |
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