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| THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- Garma's girlfriend fell HEAD-FIRST INTO THE GROUND. Damn! Also, why are refugees always stupid in films and TV? Always! "I'm leaving the ship, I wanna live in a God-forsaken desert, yeah!" |
"I'm starting to think mal is run by Xinil generating electricity on a bicycle." - idklol |
| Ah I was thinking the same thing. The refugees were so friggin dumb, thank God they're finally outta there. Gundam busted out yet another new weapon, the javelin =) |
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Cihan said: "I'm leaving the ship, I wanna live in a God-forsaken desert, yeah!" It's so true. What retards, rofl. Char doesn't take any of that crap, though. He doesn't care if you're a civilian, or a refugee, or an old man, or what. You get in his range, you might as well start digging your own grave. XD |
| wtf is with Char, c'mon, sniping unarmed civilians? And why didn't he finish off the Gundam? It was laying on the ground totally disabled. Also, lol at Amuro seeing the gaw coming from 90 miles away and not bothering to move. Looks like Zeon is busting out a new weapon in the next episode. I guess the gundam won't be as hideously over powered anymore. |
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JuicyBuddha said: I guess the gundam won't be as hideously over powered anymore. |
| Well that was actually a little underwhelming. Also Amuro has super hearing and a strange guilt problem, he didn't lead Garma to death, heck the White Base Shot him, Amuro was at the least fault. Finally, I think this is the first time they mentioned that the Zeon's wanted a dictatorship, I just figured they wanted independence. |
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| Icelina fell head off and Amuro just stare, wtf? Char, what a bastard, shoting at unarmed refugees, though they were stupid for taking off the White Base anyway~ Deserved it~ |
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| .... Char! I am disappointed! >=( |
| The Fugitives really keep getting stupider ^^ But I really liked the music in this episode :) |
| I probably regret this post by now. |
supersayen said: I don't get what happened in the end. What happened to Icelina before she fell ? She tried to shot but for some reason she fainted. I'm assuming she suffered internal damage during the crash. Makes sense to me. Internal injuries always deal out critial damage right in the middle of a speech. A few WTF moments here. Why did Char shoot the civilians? I suppose he probably thought they were Feddie soldiers. He wouldn't know there were civilians on board. When Amuro first mentioned the javelin...I figured it would be some kind of beam to make up for the extra length. Didn't expect the metal to suddenly grow instead. -laughs- |
| Aside from a few "huh!?" moments like how Iceliana ended up on the ship ("Let me, an untrained civilian, go into battle with you to avenge my lover!" Okay!), Amuro's super hearing, and Char randomly shooting civilians (sabinlerose seems to be on the right track, though), this was still a pretty good episode. |
| "Yes, I have been deprived of emotion. But not completely. Whoever did it, botched the job." - Geralt of Rivia |
supersayen said: I don't get what happened in the end. What happened to Icelina before she fell ? She tried to shot but for some reason she fainted. I think she slipped and fell head first. insan3soldiern said: Aside from a few "huh!?" moments like how Iceliana ended up on the ship ("Let me, an untrained civilian, go into battle with you to avenge my lover!" Okay!), Amuro's super hearing, and Char randomly shooting civilians (sabinlerose seems to be on the right track, though), this was still a pretty good episode. same here |
| "...our faces marked by toil, by deceptions, by success, by love; our weary eyes looking still, looking always, looking anxiously for something out of life, that while it is expected is already gone – has passed unseen, in a sigh, in a flash – together with the youth, with the strength, with the romance of illusions.” - Joseph Conrad ('Youth') |
Sabinlerose said: I can only hope this is true, otherwise:Why did Char shoot the civilians? I suppose he probably thought they were Feddie soldiers. He wouldn't know there were civilians on board. Zepwich said: .... Char! I am disappointed! >=( |
| Char is showing his true dark side now. |
| Those civilians are just silly. Or maybe they love sandstorms. After breaking his image last episode, Char is now doing whatever he pleases it seems. For something so badly animated, that fall sure made me cringe. |
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insan3soldiern said: Aside from a few "huh!?" moments like how Iceliana ended up on the ship ("Let me, an untrained civilian, go into battle with you to avenge my lover!" Okay!), Amuro's super hearing, and Char randomly shooting civilians (sabinlerose seems to be on the right track, though), this was still a pretty good episode. Pretty much the same thoughts. Though, strangely, I didn't even think about how Amuro could hear Iceliana this time. And, shit, despite there being no blood and all, that fall in slow motion was....fairly uncomfortable. I think this episode was scrapped from the movies though....I guess Tomino realized how stupid it was to have a civilian go into battle like that. I suppose he couldn't come up with something better. |
Ston3_FreeN7Dec 22, 2012 8:44 AM
| "Yes, I have been deprived of emotion. But not completely. Whoever did it, botched the job." - Geralt of Rivia |
mitamaking said: Also Amuro has super hearing and a strange guilt problem, he didn't lead Garma to death, heck the White Base Shot him, Amuro was at the least fault. Amuro had no idea it was to do with Garma, he didn't know who this woman was or who she wanted revenge for. It could've been any of the people Amuro had killed for all he knew. |
| I hope those civilians have good life in middle of desert. I hope that Char shot civies because he thought they were soldiers. Otherwise he seems to be a dick. First killing Garma and now shooting civilians? I wonder what Zeon leadership is going to do with him... |
| Poor Icelina, she fell down like a Saint Seiya character: HEAD FIRST. I'm surprised how Amuro and company don't care at all about killing. Kamille bitched a lot about it in Zeta. |
TRI_Mike said: You're watching them backwards? Travesty!I'm surprised how Amuro and company don't care at all about killing. Kamille bitched a lot about it in Zeta. Amuro & co have to fight for their lives in a real war. Kamille was a civilian who got himself mixed up in a civil war. He also has a girl's name, what can one expect? |
TRI_Mike said: Wait.............. so then how come Bright had to slap him a bunch of times?I'm surprised how Amuro and company don't care at all about killing. Kamille bitched a lot about it in Zeta. |
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| Great episode :D a few wtf moments. I agree, why would they let an a civilian went to battle despite the lost of his lover??? You would think Icelina's servants or father would have stopped her before leaving for battle. Was expecting Char with his Zaku, but just some airflight battle :\ I'm surprised he shot the civilians! He probably thought it was some White Base forces. Seems the head of Zeon demoted his rank??! Char would surely be pissed! Like Garma, Icelina went head on despite knowing they'll die in battle. And yeah, she probably fell due to internal injuries(should have at least showed some blood on her), still that fall was in slow motion, i thought she didn't got hurt or anything. The disturbing part of me is when Amuro and his team is burying her body. He has some internal questions like why is she out to kill him, and what was her name and so. I guess Amuro will never know now :( In any case each episode is getting much more intense!! Can't wait for more episdes!!! |
| Wtf Char?!! Shooting those poor refugees. Not cool buddy. |
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| Time for politics 101. Today's topic: "The difference between dictatorships and absolute monarchies" To put it bluntly... there is no difference! Or, to be clearer, there is very little difference beyond connotations. An absolute monarchy has one person who holds complete power over the state, and passes on this power through their bloodline. The throne can be claimed by outsiders through violence. A dictatorship has one person who holds complete power over the state, and passes on this power through their bloodline or hierarchy. Their rule can be overthrown by outsiders through violence. The only real difference is how these are perceived. "Monarchy" is used when the rule is being portrayed as a good thing; "dictatorship" is used when the rule is being portrayed as a bad thing. In reality, either can be oppressive or benevolent. You can have an oppressive monarch, a benevolent monarch, an oppressive dictator, or a benevolent dictator. In practice they all have the same authority. Some may claim that it's only a dictatorship if the power is claimed "illegitimately", though (again) in reality, a "legitimate" claim to power is rare for monarchies as well. So, long story short, when this show says "Zeon wants to impose their dictatorship on Earth", that is nothing but loaded wording which doesn't actually tell us whether Zeon is good or bad as a government. We've been told before that they were fighting for freedom, implying oppression was taking place before. My point is, until we know more about what the rulers of Zeon are like, we can't make any judgements regarding whether Zeon as a whole is good or bad. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Politics aside, I agree that some parts of this episode were wonky; Amuro's super-hearing bothered me the most, but allowing Icelina on that ship in the first place is pretty unbelievable. As for Char, I don't think he knew they were civilians, but it's hard to say for certain. I wonder how he'll react to his demotion. |
Beatnik said: "I'm leaving the ship, I wanna live in a God-forsaken desert, yeah!" Good riddance Icelina's death was...special |
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| These fucking refugees, man. At least they won't be bothering anyone anymore... mitamaking said: Well that was actually a little underwhelming. Also Amuro has super hearing and a strange guilt problem, he didn't lead Garma to death, heck the White Base Shot him, Amuro was at the least fault. He didn't even hear who the vengeance was for, only that it was on him. He had no idea she was supposed to be avenging Garma. |
Beatnik said: Yeah that was pretty stupid."I'm leaving the ship, I wanna live in a God-forsaken desert, yeah!" sayami said: For a moment there I thought he was going to do an amazing feat and catch her from metter away like Char's kick a few episodes back xDIcelina fell head first and Amuro just stare, wtf? |
| Them refugees are annoying as hell. Char should've just killed them all. |
| Even the fate of Icelina was fulfilled, the facts narrated in the narrative are still shrouded in mystery, especially those related to Char. The narrative seems closer to that told in other Gundam series of subsequent to this, the looting has not yet late, oh well! Who knows what will happen to Char and Amuro and his companions. |
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| My god these refugees are morons...at this point you want to commit suicide, be my guest. As for Iselina, what the heck happened? Was she shot from there? She was blinded was grief but man I guess it makes idiots of us all. If there was some explanation as to how she fell I'd be more satisfied but as it stands that was so stupid. |
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| Damn that ending :/ those refugees are also quite stepping in the way to be honest! Let's see what's next. |
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| Amuro's first look at the second order effects of his actions. Amuro Ray Kill Count: 0 Mobile Suit kills this episode 16 kills total. |
| Even though she was incredibly stupid, i did feel a bit bad for the girl, however why are all the old people and refugees so fucking stupid?!!!!! |
| That was kinda pathetic of Iselina. Still can't say I don't feel sorry for her; I honestly can't decide whether I want to root for Zeon or the Federation. Ever since I started watching this show, I had an impression Char would sooner or later expose some freelancing tendencies. He's a dick, but at the same time it's interesting to see what is he going to do next. |
| After I saw the painting of himself in his room, I'm sorta glad Char tricked Garma. |
| Not even a Gundam can stop the power of love.Sad episode. And Char will get punished, wonder if he can talk his way out and avoid it. |
One Piece episode 914 & 915 & 1027 were a mistake and 957 brought the salvation - FMmatron |
| Finally, the refugees are off the ship! Also, Garma's lover is dead. What a sad way to go, but it was her choice, I suppose. Now, Char perhaps doesn't know that Zeon wants his head. I wonder what will happen. |
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| I didn't expect Garma to be such a young member of his family. His brothers are far older. Knowing that he was the youngest would have given his death more tragedy had we known beforehand. |
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| The girl's neck should have clearly snapped when she hit the ground head first. And the refugees have -100 IQ |
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| This episode opened the story up more, revealing more of the inner workings. I'm glad to see some more drama instead of just "Char is attacking!!" every episode. |
| At least the dumb refugees subplot is over....Honestly, they're annoying. Iceliana's death is sad but I wonder how she ended up on the ship when she was previously detained lol. |
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| Zeon wants to hold a dictatorship over all of humanity as is stated in the dub. I found the two-sided conflict dynamic and engaging with the thrilling battle on Amuro's and Ryu's side; leaping onto the ships, and the Whitebase chaos with Char. Character wise, having a grief stricken woman die in front of Amuro may set the now more-confident Amuro back having faced the ramifications of their actions in such a visceral way. And Char shot refugees! I now realize that assuming it was on purpose was somewhat naive thanks to the thread, but it made for a strong moment. To depict the awful effects of war as Char drops civilians from afar and hardly comments on it, and to make Char more engaging. He's ruthless, able to drink with his friend before leading him into his death or to be depicted shooting civilians, and that makes him feel very unpredictable and capable of anything. For a small comment, I love the running gag of Bright stealing the messages they receive before Sayla can read them. It's cute and funny. Stuff like that helps make the crew feel alive. |
| Worth noting that when they were burying Icelina, Kai was the first one to start shoveling. Little things like that are making me like him more and more. |
| Well, shit. She was so young and pretty. |
GvendolineJun 5, 2021 1:36 PM
| Well, that ended rather anti-climatic. I was kinda hoping Icelina would actually talk to Amuro and realize he's just a boy and not really at fault. Her just fainting and falling to her death was a bit... convenient. Though I guess she suffered heavy wounds after the crash and we just didn't really see it. Char just shooting civilians like that was pretty ruthless, lol. Not sure what he was even planning to do there on foot. And we finally get a glimpse into the Zabi family who will probably play a huge role in the next episodes. Curious about the new weapon and antagonist of next episode. |
| Okay the refugees are so irresponsible, I get it but they shouldn't have put everyone and themselves in danger. Also, seeing Garma's family and Icelina's grief really exemplifies that humans, pain and innocence are on both sides of war. Sure, they're trying to kill each other but both feel in the right. There are kids and those who just want to be in love and live their lives on both sides, most anime makes everything so black and white and I appreciate the humanization of everything in this show despite the characters still feeling a bit flat. |
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