Re:Zero kara Hajimeru Isekai Seikatsu Episode 20 Discussion

BlueAvatar said:
so Subaru's witch scent was too strong that it attracted two more whales..I assume..?

anyway.. man, a sea of blood..how could that whale even stay alive after loosing that much..? if I was in his shoes I would've fly the fuck away and run with my life..like dude..just leave that place already, or you'll keep getting stubbed to the death..lol

I abtually laughed while seeing them running cusually on the poor whale like if they had some kind of spider foots.. it was hilarious..XD

overall good episode. 4/5

Buck_Wade said:
Back in arc 2, saying that he can return by death to the dogs didn't kill anyone. I'm pretty sure it's clear by now that the only time the witch will kill someone is if Subaru INTENDS to actually tell someone about his ability, not just say the name.

Killer96bee said:


You are not Paying attention xD,
About the FlashBack
That girl was is Wife !that flashback is maybe a part of when they meet each other.
The girl was already the Master Swordsman at that age I think she was kinda forced...the Master Swordsman NAME for her didn't mean anything...
To him that was disrespect...

And the

Killer96bee said:

No ,all those whale that appear is From the Injured One , Its his Power

Smudy said:
O M F G

I DONT KNOW ANYMORE

DONT FUCKING TELL ME WILHELM DIED A PATHETIC DEATH LIKE THIS, PLS NO ;-;

Salva252 said:
Pathetic? Honestly he was badass as fuck. But I have a feeling he'll cut the beast from inside or he is simply dead.

Nanashi said:
NOOOOOOOOO Wilhem and the wolf guy D: Such a badass safe from him. Why couldn't he get out of the way, too :(

Also. That's it. We are done. They barely survived one whale. How are they supposed to fight several? And if Subaru can't beat the whale their is no way for him to safe Rem and the village.

I really thought we'd finally progress a little further than Subaru shouting at people but we are basically back at square one. This was Subaru's last chance basically. Any other plans would be ass-pulls (and they are already stretching it for a while now with this anime. pun unintended).

What other chances does he have? He needs the help of the other candidates. They only help him when he solves the white whale problem. We are at a dead end(well to be fair I said that a few episodes ago when Subaru went insane and then he suddenly was back to normal).

I really don't want to start the negative talk because finally I enjoyed an episode again but I can't help it...

Why did the invisible hands attack him again this time. Last time he talked about it they killed Emilia instead of hurting him. I mean was expecting it to happen but at this point there are so many inconsistencies. Same goes for the pod of whales. Wasn't one whale which removes existences enough? Couldn't we let Subaru progress a little bit for once? I don't need his death count to increase exponentially with every safe point to realize that he is useless. Just let him have the next safe point... Then you can start killing him again for all I care.

I swear I'm going crazy if I have to see him wake up in front of that fucking apple vendor one more time.



And what exactly is he supposed to do then? Like they could actually fight more than one whale at the same time... That was their best plan already and they couldn't even kill one yet.

Buck_Wade said:


Just when we were hoping things were finally going to turn out well...

Mentar said:
Was this supposed to be "the" big episode of the show? I hope not, because while it was reasonably interesting to watch, it did not _remotely_ have the emotional impact of the pinnacle episodes of the other "big" shows for me.

Not sure if I failed to comprehend things in the flashbacks, or maybe significant parts simply had to be cut away due to time limitations, but Wilhelm's backstory fell _utterly_ flat to me. A simpleton swordsman fighting for no real reason other "I don't have anything else" turned "I want to protect with it" before he had an utterly ridiculous and sexist "With a face like yours, you shouldn't be holding a sword" outbreak over the pretty flower girl saving him, without revealing her secret to him before. I guess this show simply cannot have an episode without a man making an utter screaming fool out of himself. This was facepalm time again and the main reason why I dropped this 3.5/5 episode to the 3 in the end.

I'll leave the final verdict hanging, because Wilhelm's story clearly isn't finished. After all, they married - and just because Wilhelm got eaten doesn't mean he's dead. Most likely he'll destroy his whale from the inside. So I'll assume that Wilhelm will grow up and redeem himself for his asshattery next episode.

Subaru was pleasantly likeable this episode, even more than that: I really liked his "Death Return" trick to increase his aggro on his kiting run. I hope we'll have more like this in the future!

Nanashi said:
Back in arc 2 the rules were different though. Besides he basically told the whole army in range. How would a curse differentiate between him wanting to tell someone for real and him wanting to activate the witches smell?

Pretty convenient curse for Subaru if you ask me. I mean how else would he have dragged the whale away from them in this situation.

That scene alone turned Emilias death a few episodes ago into a mere plot device to make Subaru despair a little more and make Puck say those few lines to him.

RockerXD said:


dark souls meng dark souls

Kirasaya said:
nice action fileld episode right here, although they might overdid it with teh blood a bit like srsl, that thing bleeded enough for 5 of its size already XD Satellas appearences suprised me quite a bit, flashbacks were okay nothing to amazing though. Not to suprised by the other 2 whales, like come on guys fog and illusions are like the oldest trick in he book.

CNagy said:


The thing is that we only have Subaru's impression that the Jealous Witch is threatening to kill him when he tries to talk about his ability. It could be that she actually can't bring herself to kill him and has simply been using her power and his fear to stop him. Emilia's death is a piece of evidence for that.

Emilia's death was different. Subaru called the witch's bluff and was determined to tell Emilia the truth even if it killed him. Since she couldn't kill Subaru (as this theory goes) she killed Emilia instead. The fact that the witch can kill Emilia would be less of an inconsistency then, and more of a power reveal. I think it also helps not to think of the curse in typical "do X and Y happens" terms. The curse might not be strictly "I can't tell people about Return by Death" but rather the fact that he has the Jealous Witch constantly watching over him. The way the hands caress him and Satella's cameo in this episode make it seem more like she is watching and choosing to act--and if that's the case then how she acts to stop Subaru is going to be dependent on the circumstances. (Edit: And, of course, the limits of her powers to affect people other than Subaru.)

-Stray said:
Satella HYPE!

Buck_Wade said:


God, I swear, once I get Dark Souls 3 I'm naming my character Subaru, because he's the Goddamn protagonist. Of. Mother. *Bleeping*. Dark Souls.
Dark Souls, where once you THINK, "Oh hey, I got this boss", it pulls something new out of it's ass, and then you have to reach it through the dungeon all over again.

Illyricus said:
I was tense during all the episode due the posibility of Subaru or someone else dying, God. I admit at the start I felt a bit of pity for the whale due the thrashing the poor animal was receiving, but when the fucker released the mist, well, everything scalated rather quickly, and then the three whales at the end...

While my girl Crusch was badass (that attack could defeat an entire army), Wilhelm, and later Ricardo and the nekos stole the episode (understandable in the case of the former, since the episode has his name in in). His flashback left me interested in his past (the novels has a side story who details what happened with him and Theresia during his youth), and, well, don't know if he is dead or not (maybe later he kills the whale from the inside, who knows). I'm more worried about what happened to Ricardo (his dog looked pretty dead here).

Wilhelm character and his grudge against the whale reminded me of Moby Dick, with Wilhelm being the Ahab of the Moby Dick who is the White Whale. Really don't want him dead, he was so cool to die.

About the battle itself, well, even if the art wasn't the best, it was decent enough to make me enjoy the fight. The fact that the whale was a levyathanesque monster helped a lot, because I love the videogames a lá Monster Hunter. Like how the fight will last another episode, since that makes the whale looking more like a treat (not in vain, I thought the battle was decided during the first 15 minutes). The situation looks pretty awful, but if Re: Zero has teach me anything is that when things look bad, they could turn even worse. I'm before Betelgeuse and his cult appearing and making this a, even bigger Hell.

Btw, those Satella's lips looked hot as fuck.

On another note, we could resume the episode with this image:

SEBZxELITE said:


I AM CONFUS

Who is she D:

Is she the witch?

Benphyre said:
Anyone figured out what Satella was whispering?

-Stray said:
They can if they knew it before hand, we're talking about a world that has magic, people that have powers and influence, they can ask for more man power better than doing nothing unless you think they cant do anything against those whales then the stories basically done with Subaru failing which is impossible for him, Subaru can simply redo stuffs over and over until he gets it right or close to what he wants. Also its not their BEST PLAN since they lacked information that Subaru has now.

Benphyre said:
Anyone figured out what Satella was whispering?

Nanashi said:


Well someone already mentioned it but I'll say it again. How is he supposed to convince them there are at least three whales?

That point aside it was their "best" plan. They went all out from the beginning with the hope that would at least bring down the whale to the ground before it could strike back. Their all-out attack didn't even bring it down to the ground. Now they have to deal with at least two more whales. Sorry. That won't work no matter how you look at it. Their best bets are all unreachable (people like Roswaal and Reinhard. He already tried contacting them). I doubt the candidate girls have stronger people they could call because they would have brought them this time already(the whale is one of the biggest threats after all).

Information only gets you so far. If you lack power it is still "useless". And they couldn't even kill one whale with their biggest guns(words of the wolf commander himself). What does it help to know there are several if you can't even properly deal with one? Well it helps in one way. You can avoid the fight if you know how strong the enemy is. And Crusch shouldn't be willing to attack several of those whales at the same time.

I also already talked about Subaru's resets. He tried every scenario and still can't get to the mansion with enough man power to protect it. The next episode will be an ass-pull. I have no doubt about that. There is only one person he already knows left and I don't see that working out(the last of the candidates who kicked him when he licked her feet). He has nothing he could offer her. There's only one solution left. He has to do anything entirely different and has to randomly run into some fucking guy/gal with enough power to either kill a whale or at least safe the mansion.

CNagy said:
The thing is that we only have Subaru's impression that the Jealous Witch is threatening to kill him when he tries to talk about his ability. It could be that she actually can't bring herself to kill him and has simply been using her power and his fear to stop him. Emilia's death is a piece of evidence for that.

Emilia's death was different. Subaru called the witch's bluff and was determined to tell Emilia the truth even if it killed him. Since she couldn't kill Subaru (as this theory goes) she killed Emilia instead. The fact that the witch can kill Emilia would be less of an inconsistency then, and more of a power reveal. I think it also helps not to think of the curse in typical "do X and Y happens" terms. The curse might not be strictly "I can't tell people about Return by Death" but rather the fact that he has the Jealous Witch constantly watching over him. The way the hands caress him and Satella's cameo in this episode make it seem more like she is watching and choosing to act--and if that's the case then how she acts to stop Subaru is going to be dependent on the circumstances. (Edit: And, of course, the limits of her powers to affect people other than Subaru.)

Idiotproofninja said:
How does he even know that it isn't some magic fog illusion that lets him see multiple whales?

Nanashi said:


And at that point your guess is as good as mine. Even if you are right it is still too convenient. Besides he already wanted to tell someone previously and it didn't kill anybody.

Even if I'd ignore it. This is just one of many points.

On a side-note. The curse is not him being unable to talk about it. The curse is his "inability" to die. The other stuff is more like a side-effect I'd say. Emilias death indeed is a power reveal but to me it looked more like the curse became stronger. You can't just go back and forth between two power states D: And I can't fully agree to your theory either. Why would the witch just kill Emilia but then in the battle against the whale she doesn't care about it anymore? It is just so random.

Buck_Wade said:


How is this not obvious though? He was intending to fully tell Emilia about the curse, while on the battlefield he yelled, "I can return BY death". What does that mean from their perspective anyway?

Nanashi said:


And at that point your guess is as good as mine. Even if you are right it is still too convenient. Besides he already wanted to tell someone previously and it didn't kill anybody.

Even if I'd ignore it. This is just one of many points.

On a side-note. The curse is not him being unable to talk about it. The curse is his "inability" to die. The other stuff is more like a side-effect I'd say. Emilias death indeed is a power reveal but to me it looked more like the curse became stronger. You can't just go back and forth between two power states D: And I can't fully agree to your theory either. Why would the witch just kill Emilia but then in the battle against the whale she doesn't care about it anymore? It is just so random.

Jonny_Mhl said:
@SuperKirei stop acting like a retard, want to talk with Tyrel again?

FlamepriesT said:
The witch can't kill Subaru? Inb4 Subaru starts killing villains by telling them he can return by death. huehuehue

Heitokun said:


Nanashi mate, Satella killed Emilia because SHE KNEW Subaru wanted Emilia to know about his ability, you must understand that... ...She didn't do anything this time because she knows Subaru didn't say that with the intention of people finding out about his ability, but because he needed his scent to grow stronger, if you want to understand why Satella is doing this, then...