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All those TG goodies... *drools* (\\ ͡°\\ ͜ʖ\\ ͡°\\) Jokes aside, you're pretty much on point. Just because someone's a Toukafag (in this case) doesn't mean he should defend obvious plot armor that protects her and flaws in writing of her even being there. For example, I'm a Furutafag but I call bullshit on him being in every damn faction in the manga, and him knowing that Eto taped him. I'm a Etofag, but I call bullshit on her knowing everything because 'muh mother's diary' and her teleporting around with Kaneki at the beginning of this arc. Shit writing is shit writing, just because you don't like it doesn't mean it's not there. This arc is rather exciting in terms of reveals and impending confrontations but Ishida is kind of faltering with his writing at the moment. Rue Island will probably make up for it though. |
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| I'd wait before criticizing js, you all know Ishida is gonna explain us everything. |
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| Let's just pray Touka dies in the following chapters. |
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| It's not surprising arima hasn't killed them yet. Way I see it is this manga is much more realistic and there isn't massive power level variance. It's much closer to real life where you could take the best fighter in the world who dismantles anyone else easily 1v1 but throw them in there with 3-4 unskilled guys and he gets smashed. Using dbz power levels I think its something like this Average internet troll human:5 Athletic male:10 Extremely skilled and athletic fighter:15 Average ccg person: 18 Special class: 30 arima: 60 touka(s): 22 ayato(ss): 30 yomo(sss?): 35 kaneki(sss):50 |
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Mukade said: I also enjoy Eto as a character, that said, this entire fiasco was BS. Why did Kaneki pointlessly wait 6 months to pursue her? Why was Eto not immediately arrested upon turning herself in? Why was she allowed to have a press conference (which Urie pointed out?) Why the hell was an "in depth investigation" needed to determine if she were a ghoul when she publicly outed herself as a ghoul and exposed her kakugan on live television? Why has Kaiko not had her offed yet as V wants her dead, but suddenly they need to keep her alive for info in the offchance she isn't OEK when there is nothing pointing to the contrary? The Tsukiyama family and other ghouls have had no such luxuries. And Furuta's dialogue with her chapter 68 all but confirms she will escape when she recoups with Kaneki. It makes all the "lolEtodeathflags" "Eto gonna die this arc" posts I read laughable. It's like they are completely blind to plot armor. I like Eto, but her survival so far is also a stretch. Characters literally need to incur brain damage for her plans to work. And you're spot on. It's fine to enjoy characters, but shit writing is shit writing. And I consider myself one of Ishida's biggest fanboys. No matter how much I like a character, if their plot armor shines way too brightly, I have to criticize it. Most of these complaints make no sense... We do not know why Kaneki waited 6 months yet, that doesn't mean they were "pointless". Eto was under arrest as she made the press conference... Why was she allowed to do one while under arrest? Because the one who arrested her was... Kaneki, who is clearly biased towards Takatsuki Sen. As you said, even Urie mentioned how idiotic it was. No other investigator would've allowed this. Kaiko/V didn't want Eto dead, because they couldn't just assume Eto was the king based on chance. As for the Arima thing... I agree. Arima should've killed the Kirishimas+Yomo off by now, but there could be a variety of reasons for why he hasn't done it: he could be tired of being a "dog" for the Washuus; have a death wish himself; be waiting for Kaneki so he can kill them in front of him and inflict more trauma; be evaluating them because they would make nice quinques... etc. I would wait for the arc to end before calling Ishida's writing shitty. |
ph4zoNApr 5, 2016 9:25 PM
| That Arima just doesn't want to go down already. |
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Ulquiorra said: That Arima just doesn't want to go down already. Considering Arima's records, I will say the opposite, those Kirishimas just don't die quickly |
Mukade said: Perhaps you could argue this point when Ishida kept readers locked out of Kaneki’s psyche: this is no longer applicable. I certainly rationalized it: “Oh. He’s racking up achievements to get promoted so he can carry out his own investigation. He wants to use her somehow to advance his goals while keeping it on the low from the CCG.” Yeah no. His plan was literally to just to lock her up (where she would eventually be disposed of) and then fuck off and die. That’s it. So yes, those six months of inactivity were the epitome of pointless. He was not going to make any use of her whatsoever with the “power” he reigned over her. All it did was postpone the inevitable. For all the effort, he could literally killed her on the spot atop the lunatic eclipse, or told Ui after his long hard battle with the stairs that “Takatsuki Sen is the One Eyed Owl.” and the result would have been the same. Eto is either killed instantly or incarcerated. And again, this is something he could have accomplished very long ago. I’m open to hear any reasonable arguments as of to how these 6 months had any real meaning behind them outside of Ishida wanting Eto to release Bileygr King first with Kaneki on stage with her (in addition to the ch. 63 "I am a ghoul" parallel.) I honestly don't know why Kaneki waited so long before arresting Eto, but if I had to guess, I think all that preparation was so he could break Hinami out of Cochlea and Eto's arrest was secondary. He did say that only Cochlea employees knew where ghouls were being incarcerated, and he knew how to open cells from the control room, so perhaps he was getting info on this throughout those months... I just find it hard to believe that Kaneki's plan would simply be: capture eto and die, especially after these panels were shown:   Mukade said: Please re-read chapter 63. Eto was given permission from the CCG Bureau to carry out her press conference. Kaneki knew nothing about it until she requested that he accompany her. And she was given this permission after Kaneki had already obtained her real name: Yoshimura (same last name as non-killing Owl) Eto (Aogiri executive) and after Kaneki made it clear the “One Eyed King” was someone with social power (eg. A best selling author.) She was already under “suspicion” of being the Owl. Which makes it even more absurd they only had one Investigator shadowing her: I don’t care if it’s Kaneki. This is the One Eyed Owl and supposed “King.” Yet they let her talk. The only way this could even partially make sense is if V greenlit it, but they would have had nothing to gain from it and her little speech is already threatening their “equilibrium.” And this is not counting the “hurdur we’re gonna keep you in corniculum until we confirm you’re a ghoul – even though you just exposed yourself.” WTF? Lock her up for real. Yeah I hadn't noticed that part, thanks. Maybe Eto offered something the bureau wanted so they would let her do it? She was the leader of Aogiri after all, and she's pretty good at manipulating people... Mukade said: Why bother trying to extrapolate? It's plot armor, plain and simple. I do that a lot, haha. It's because I have a lot of faith in Ishida's writing at this point. I don't wanna call it plot armor just yet because I think deaths are incoming. At least Yomo's, I'm pretty sure. And I definitely think something's odd about Arima at the moment(and that's why he's not killing anyone), but I guess we'll have our answers soon enough. Mukade said: You can feel free to wait. I’ve already made my judgment. I am not saying it is “shitty”, but parts of it have been. I have enjoyed the arc overall so far, but the story hasn’t exactly been up to its normal standard since Kaneki regained his memories. Too much plot induced stupidity, plot armor, and coincidences. You mean to tell me after all this time, Ayato picked the same day, hour, and goddamned minute as Kaneki to break out Hinami (and Touka and Yomo somehow snuck in Banjou’s group) and this was not planned at all? Just one massive coincidental clusterfuck of a reunion? Yeah, Ishida is definitely slipping this arc in my opinion. Kaneki could have at least somehow tag teamed with Ayato (he could have been the one to steal the access card for him) – and I would be far less irritated with what we currently have. One thing I enjoy about TG is the amount of realism as far as how Ishida handles these type of events. Not getting that at all from this arc, honestly. It’s decent, but it’s chalking up to being my least favorite thus far. Fair enough. I'm still convinced that the card came from Kaneki... I do think it's too much of a coincidence... but maybe Ayato isn't aware of it? Have we been shown otherwise? |
ph4zoNApr 6, 2016 8:16 AM
| Nice effort on the scans. Must be tough ordering :re volume 2 given the cover. Cute assumption of my expectation of the manga but I can’t expect much sense from you anyway. I don’t find the need to show you my “collections” but have to admit you do have more of them so I’ll take back my words. I can’t help but to be entertained by the names calling though. What’s next? Ishidafag? I might do the same if I am still a 12 years old. Back to the chapter, while it seems “plot armor” is dragging the fight, there is no indicator that Arima is going all out to kill them. To me, he just seems to be coasting around and have another goal in mind. After being shown that he is taking orders from V, I don’t think he is the typical investigator who kills/captures all ghouls on sight. Regarding the numerous last minute saves, that is bound to happen if you’re fighting a team of families. They will actually look out for each other. Of course it’s best to take down Arima but I believe their main priority is getting out alive. By the way, previous opponents like Kaneki, Eto and Shachi are taking on Arima alone. I have to disagree that the trio have nothing to do with this arc. I don’t have to state the obvious reason why are they joining the raid. You don’t need foreshadowing for something obvious like this. You think :re and Ayato will just abandon Hinami? I find it ironic when haters are complaining irrelevancy of certain characters but complains doesn’t stop when Ishida re-introduces them back to the story. And aren’t you asking too much when you wanted them to be injured “properly”? If you recall when Kaneki pierced Yomo, he didn't even flinch. He has shown to be able to take hits well. If you want them to die so much for the sake of dying then so be it. Let’s wait till the end of the arc and see if your criticism about plot armor is valid. |
Mukade said: Did you mean "maybe Ayato is aware of it?" Because he definitely isn't aware. He had no idea why the sirens were going off before they even broke in. When Banjou asked him the reason why, Ayato says that he "doesn't know who", "but someone is opening the isolation cells." Nah, I know he's not aware of who's opening the cells. I was thinking that maybe Kaneki sent him the card anonymously, and thus Ayato doesn't know Kaneki is helping him out... but that's probably too much of a stretch and he got it from someone else. I hope we find out who it was before the arc ends... |
Mukade said: You mean to tell me after all this time, Ayato picked the same day, hour, and goddamned minute as Kaneki to break out Hinami (and Touka and Yomo somehow snuck in Banjou’s group) and this was not planned at all? Just one massive coincidental clusterfuck of a reunion? Yeah, Ishida is definitely slipping this arc in my opinion. Kaneki could have at least somehow tag teamed with Ayato (he could have been the one to steal the access card for him) – and I would be far less irritated with what we currently have. One thing I enjoy about TG is the amount of realism as far as how Ishida handles these type of events. Not getting that at all from this arc, honestly. It’s decent, but it’s chalking up to being my least favorite thus far. "You mean to tell me after all this time, Ayato picked the same day, hour, and goddamned minute as Kaneki to break out Hinami..." Well, for someone who got a key to access Cochlea I do not think it hard to find out the date, hour and goddamned minute in which the Rue island's invasion operation was started, as well where much of the ccg's attention is focused, and take this as a favorable opportunity to invade Cochlea, as Kaneki did to release the Hinami. "...and Touka and Yomo somehow snuck in Banjou’s group" Banjou needed a large group of ghouls to invade Cochlea is not hard to imagine that he was behind all ghoul he knew to join the gang (even more ghouls who are somehow familiar with Hinami). |
Mukade said: Textbook definition of ironic. "Toukafag" was the exact term you used to describe yourself in another topic. You being a Toukafag are your own words, thus why I felt the wording was appropriate. That names calling remark was sarcasm directed to this post below. I am not even quoting you at that point of time. My post was quoted and rephrased. Nuvviveji said: ma103 said: I'm a toukafag. FTFY, objectively it's either Eto or Hinami, the 'imouto' route is highly unlikely so...yea Eto=>Roma>others If anything, my bad for stooping so low but let’s just leave it at that and don’t give that attention seeker what he wants. This shows there is a possibility that he is going easy at them. But I will leave it till the end of the arc as everything seems pretty grey to me. Mukade said: I do not care if they are a family. There is no excuse for these constant teleportations. Well it’s not like they are that far away from each other. As you may know Ishida is not the best fight scene illustrator and at times he tends to “summarizes” or get straight to the point. In-between movements may be disregarded to create the shock factor. I have lost count of the teleportations just from Tokyo Ghoul :re itself and I suppose there are fair share of teleportations for every arc to promote consistency. Mukade said: ...And? See post 108. Numbers are nothing for Arima. And the fact the ghouls mentioned above are of the absolute strongest class, yet Arima deals with them with zero effort - makes it even more questionable why Touka, Ayato, and Yomo are alive. Kaneki was penetrated via Arima-san's sadistic and massive IXA within 3 seconds of meeting him. Kaneki never even had a chance to react, and if he were any other ghoul with normal regen, he would have died instantly. That would have been the case the Kirishimas as well, but plot armor so no. The battles are fought off-scenes so we weren’t shown how serious he is. Then again, I will wait till the end to see if he has any other motivations for holding back, if any. Mukade said: Are you properly thinking out these responses before you post? Yes, yes you do need foreshadowing or build up for their reintroduction if you do not want the effect to feel forced. I know full well Ayato would at least attempt to bail Hinami, it was foreshadowed (there is that word again) in chapter 33. :re on the other hand have been sitting on their asses and should not know anything at all (and borderline nonexistent in the story), but if "lolBanjou told us" and bringing their family drama out of nowhere into this prison break is decent writing you, then there's nothing more to say. I see nothing unusual with Banjou seeking as much help as he can get though. Not sure if you see that as an asspull but let’s just agree to disagree. Mukade said: No one is complaining that they have been re-introduced, it is how they are being re-introduced that people like me are criticizing. What part of that are you not getting? Hopefully I interpreted their post wrongly and they’re not that dumb. Not everyone will feel forced if there is no foreshadowing. By the way I wonder if you consider this as foreshadowing. Mukade said: >Yomo blocking an attack meant to kill Ayato, an attack proven to be able to slice through the arm of Eto's kakuja tank, with his bare arms and taking absolutely no damage. >Ayato only getting a little cut in the shoulder while Touka *gasps* only gets knocked to the floor and her mask comes off. The horror! >Meanwhile Kuzen who can take on multiple special classes at once loses an arm and is forced to retreat, dozens upon dozens of ghouls in V14 are slaughtered like livestock, Shachi is stabbed through the throat and electrocuted, Eto is stabbed, loses an arm, is electrocuted and forced to flee, as Kaneki gets his very identity skullfucked out of him and only survives because god-tier regen and MC plot armor. Then again, this traces back to my speculation on Arima holding back. The first thought I had as soon as Ayato started engaging Arima is something is off when Ayato is surviving the fight for at least a few exchanges. You could argue that it’s my faith in Ishida that he shouldn’t be so careless and misrepresents the power levels. There has to be a underlying reason for that. Mukade said: As much as I hope you are right and that Arima will kill at least one of them (Yomo is the one who is really pushing it) - now that Kaneki is here, I have no hope. They're basically set to escape. I believe time is running out for them once the RC suppressant gas gets to them. I could be wrong but Eto is likely the next teleportation candidate (lol) to save their asses. |
Mukade said: Is Ishida getting writing advice from Kubo? There have been more asspulled last minute saves in the last 3 chapters than the entirety of part 1. The only way Ishida can "fix" this for me is if the Kirishimas fuck off with Hinami after their little forced reunion so I can enjoy the Kaneki vs Arima rematch in peace. Their presence is seriously ruining this for me. Will you marry me? |
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| >can't criticise something because you didn't make it >unable to understand the concept of criticism Made me laugh, splendid. Stay angry, newfriend. ( ͡°ᗜ ͡°) |
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n0thinglasts said: You seem the most rational right now and this makes senseIt's not surprising arima hasn't killed them yet. Way I see it is this manga is much more realistic and there isn't massive power level variance. It's much closer to real life where you could take the best fighter in the world who dismantles anyone else easily 1v1 but throw them in there with 3-4 unskilled guys and he gets smashed. Using dbz power levels I think its something like this Average internet troll human:5 Athletic male:10 Extremely skilled and athletic fighter:15 Average ccg person: 18 Special class: 30 arima: 60 touka(s): 22 ayato(ss): 30 yomo(sss?): 35 kaneki(sss):50 Also idk why everytime something "shounen" happens people loose their mind. I mean the man is a fan of shounen series so he more than likely implements it in his story. And as always we have to wait for explanations for certain things since time reveals all in this story |
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| @mukade I'm sorry kubo hurt your feelings with whatever he did but that much salt is not healthy figuratively or literally |
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| I'm never going to get tired of spamming this pic |
| "I'm not gonna die, I've got a cat that's waiting for me at home" |
| B-but he's pointing to the right. |
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Nuvviveji said: B-but he's pointing to the right. Got me. |
| "I'm not gonna die, I've got a cat that's waiting for me at home" |
Mukade said: haunter_ex said: Well, for someone who got a key to access Cochlea I do not think it hard to find out the date, hour and goddamned minute in which the Rue island's invasion operation was started, as well where much of the ccg's attention is focused, and take this as a favorable opportunity to invade Cochlea, as Kaneki did to release the Hinami. The operation on Rueshima is estimated to take from one week up until a month. This timing is too convenient no matter how you slice it. haunter_ex said: Banjou needed a large group of ghouls to invade Cochlea is not hard to imagine that he was behind all ghoul he knew to join the gang (even more ghouls who are somehow familiar with Hinami). Again, this in itself is not the problem. It is how :re who have been nonexistent in the story appearing out of literally no where with no build up and are hijacking the prison raid with their family drama. If we were given some of their perspective or they were even semi-relevant in the story, I would not be complaining. After all this time out of the spotlight, their inclusion in an event like this is forced from a story telling point of view. "The operation on Rueshima is estimated to take from one week up until a month. This timing is too convenient no matter how you slice it." Ah, the time of Rue's mission is not important in this matter, the important thing is how long the Hinami still has as also the most favorable opportunity to act. "Again, this in itself is not the problem. It is how :re who have been nonexistent in the story appearing out of literally no where with no build up and are hijacking the prison raid with their family drama. If we were given some of their perspective or they were even semi-relevant in the story, I would not be complaining. After all this time out of the spotlight, their inclusion in an event like this is forced from a story telling point of view." I don't dare say how someone should tell her story, I'd rather see how the mangaka will unfold the history of your way, if Ishida, with the vision of the whole story, decided that there is (or maybe not, everything is possible) a moment more suitable for building up of the :re, I prefer to wait and see. And despite being a family drama, for me it was a reasonable reason, but for you was an insufficient reason. Oh, I'm not disagreeing with you, you have a point. But for me it is early to say if the Ishida made some slips even when much has happened so far, it's kind unfair to a mangaka that I find amazing. :) |
| @mukade if you're gonna shit on kubo at least not make it about General shounen troupes xD!!! |
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WIELDU said: Let's just pray Touka dies in the following chapters. What has Touka to do with this chapter ? anyway i didn't understand almost half of this chapter , when u put flashback in middle of fight i suffer. |
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| You didn't understand half of the manga... a chapter is no big deal. I'm sure you can deal with it ^^. |
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| OK chapter, flashback felt like it didn't add more to it, would have liked to see more of Yomo in action, even if it was against Arima. Really would like to know what happening on the island though, wonder when it'll be switched to the events there. |
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| with his thunderous weapon arima administers divine punishment. that could be the heading of this astonishing chapter. |
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| We need to read some more to get whats going on.. |
| Not even that cool attack worked on Arima. |
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Cozatto said: Hmmmmm... Chapter 68>> Ayato is in danger Chapter 69>> Yomo and Touka appear and save him Chapter 70>> Yomo is in danger Chapter 71>> Kaneki saves Yomo So what's next? Kaneki getting rekt by Arima and Eto appears to save him??? Thanks for summing up. Although I always enjoy some backstories, the entrance of yomo and touka was so random that I actually lost track of the story. |
| Oh, biy. Wow. Really sad that Yomo felt he could not do anything. If he had continued Raging he would have died for sure! That was Kaneki right?!? Yes! |
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| the plot is soo confusing bro they keep switching settings, theres so many random characters and storylines popping up. hard to follow. but i love the art and dark vibe. shits still top tier for me |
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| arima is literally god level, no one touching him rn |
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