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| This is not the Macross that I love, seeing the previews and stuff I already knew I would be disappointed and yup, sadly I was right. |
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| I liked this episode. The song was nice and the episode was interesting. I hope i can watch this and like it. I didn't like Macross F and i actually deleted all the episodes after the last episode. (i only do that when i don't plan to ever watch that anime again) The only bad thing about it is that i thought it would be airing now in January. It's pretty bad to know that i'll have to wait until April before i can watch the other episode =/ |
KaeUBWJan 3, 2016 10:28 AM
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DmonHiro said: Farabeuf said: but making your idols into magical girls is jumping the shark in my opinion. Your opinion is quite wrong considering Basara flew out into space with a robot that had its own guitar to try and literally sing the enemy into submission. The shark was jumped a long time ago. As a bonus for me, I am absolutely LOVING how salty most of these comments are. I don't know why, but reading/hearing about how magical girls have invaded and degraded the Macross name is amusing to me. From the very first installment, Macross has been a show about Japanese idols saving the universe trhough music. The only thing that actually changed is the type of idol, to reflect the current idol trend in Japan. Why is that so hard to understand? First of all, opinions are not wrong. You might disagree with me but that doesn't make it wrong. Secondly, idols are not magical girls. Big difference. Huge. And for the record I don't dislike magical girls. I quite enjoyed Madoka and can watch Sailor Moon without problems. But Macross did not up to until this point do magical girls Thirdly, rewatch Macross (the original) and look at the treatment/story of the idol. It's pretty well done and actually quite serious in tone: it shows not only the glitzy side of the idol business, but how Minmei is manipulated, worked almost to death and is generally an extremely unhappy and towards the end, almost a broken human being. No happy, genki girl loving her life there. Yes, song is used as a weapon, but the reasoning behind is quite sound. The aliens have never been exposed to it and suffer from culture shock as a result. After a while it actually stops working. No magic there. Fourth. Yeah, Basara and M7 were pretty silly in their own right, but Basara was trying to emulate Minmei and was a crazy pacifist. M7 tried to explain all the supernatural aspects of the story with 'sound energy' and it's up to the person who watches it if they buy it or not. Let's see how Delta does it in the future. But M7 was a pretty strange fish all around. Plus, II and Zero were all much more serious. |
FarabeufJan 4, 2016 7:23 AM
| "Perhaps there is a universal, absolute truth. Perhaps it justifies every question. But that's beyond the reach of these small hands." Mamoru Oshii There is a cult of ignorance (...) nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that “my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.” Isaac Asimov |
| Macross has always been about idol and Robot so not surprise to me. Maybe this one have more idol influence but it is still Macross theme. Somewhat similar to that AKB anime. |
MiniSiets said: Shoji has indeed gone full George Lucas. Hmm.......one should NEVER, EVER go full George Lucas with ones franchise. Like ever. I'm going to give it a few episodes more (maybe five episodes to be more precise) before I just say: " Screw it, not gonna bother." Until then I'll just be patient with it. 😐 |
| Macross was always about idols and robots... No kidding. That settles it then. Gurren Lagann has giant robots in it. Gundam 00 has giant robots in it. It's like, they're the same fucking show. It's not like there's an obvious difference in tone, atmosphere, execution, characters, believability, realism, and just about any other imaginable thing I can think of about the narrative. Coming off of the original 1982 series, one would not even be able to tell that this is a fucking sequel if it weren't for "Macross" in the title. After seeing this putrid CGI-filled incoherent mess of a preview, there is no doubt in my mind that it is unsalvageable. Fuck this series. It's going to be awful. I should note though, I wouldn't feel such a visceral hatred toward this anime if they at least got smart and branched the timeline off into its own metaverse like Gundam does with its spinoff shows. That way they can take all the shitty detours they want through moeblob town while still being able to return to the real story when they're ready to put their big boy pants back on. But the fact that they expect us to believe this magical girl diarrhea exists in the same universe as Hikaru, Misa, and Minmei is insulting to my intelligence. And furthermore, it ensures that nothing short of a complete retcon of large chunks of the story are now necessary in order for any future iteration of Macross to be taken seriously. The only debate I'm having right now is whether I should continue watching just to see how much it stretches into so-bad-it's-good territory. |
kingcity20 said: Oh for the love of -_- nvm gotta love MAL |
MiniSiets said: Coming off of the original 1982 series, one would not even be able to tell that this is a fucking sequel if it weren't for "Macross" in the title. The 1982 represents different cultural atmosphere, which would not make sense to use now as Macross was always reflection of Japan's culture of popular music. |
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Fai said: MiniSiets said: Coming off of the original 1982 series, one would not even be able to tell that this is a fucking sequel if it weren't for "Macross" in the title. The 1982 represents different cultural atmosphere, which would not make sense to use now as Macross was always reflection of Japan's culture of popular music. They couldn't shove in the incest nowadays that's for sure.Or the "taming the shrew/you're my wife" now sub plot... |
| I found the first episode preview too cheesy for my tastes. It was so damn colorful, happy-go-lucky, and full of bad pop songs (and magical girls, really?). Certainly, Macross always had a bit of cheese in itself. It is a series about winning wars using the power of love and music after all, but I liked it way more when things were a bit more subtle. On the flip side, it is still Macross making a return. There will be awesome dogfights, and there is Mirage too. So I will keep watching to see how it goes |
| It still boggles my mind how they managed to make the CGI look worse than it was 8 years ago. They really have no excuse for that. |
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| having watched all Macross series and many idol anime all I'm gotta say is not good. |
| If this does not satisfied you then Gundam Thunderbolt is good atm. As long as it is not anything like Valvare or Aldnoah zero it is automatic better already. |
zetsubousei_hero said: If this does not satisfied you then Gundam Thunderbolt is good atm. As long as it is not anything like Valvare or Aldnoah zero it is automatic better already. Took a brief look at it and I have to agree; Thunderbolt already looks leagues better than this trash. Thanks for the rec. |
kingcity20 said: Oh for the love of -_- nvm gotta love MAL |
| As a start you can not say that is new, who knows Macross, knows that it is an anime series a bit special, a genre mecha than usual, as the start is somewhat confusing, mixes music and fighting scenes quite interesting, the chara design is cute, the colors too, maybe the 3DCG is not the best.It will further begin when the anime series. |
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MysteriousBanana said: the only function they serve now are to deliver the girls, deliver their shields, and recharge said shields. 1st: If they don't do even one of those things, people die. 2nd: Did you perhaps miss the fighters defending the singers during the battle? I'm guessing you did. 3rd: Did you miss the whole freaking air battle between the newly arrived enemies and the Walkure fighters? Try paying attention next time. |
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| The funniest thing is going to be kids trying to explain how everything fits in when it's just another crap idol anime that has nothing to do with Macross. |
| (|__/) Never give up, aim for the top! (='.'=) Top wo nerae! o(")(") Anime music: http://myanimelist.net/blog.php?eid=777199 |
| Watched preview of Macross Delta, it looked okay. Watched first episode... hell no! This is going overboard. 1/10 - 1 for good art. Go back to your desk, read/watch 1st Macross and start writing again story. I am done with Delta >>> Moved to "Garbage List" Boltz said: +1The funniest thing is going to be kids trying to explain how everything fits in when it's just another crap idol anime that has nothing to do with Macross. True. |
TumoshimoJan 7, 2016 3:47 AM
| So this is what Macross is all about? High testosterone bishounen vs bishounen mecha battles and stupid fun idol music that won't leave your head for the rest of the week? I am okay with this. |
| Proud founder of The Official Anti-Ging Freecss Fan Club Join now! Kellhus said: GuusWayne said: there is a limit to the suspension of disbelief And it's the fan that did it. Not the smoking porn reading rubik cube genius rape ape with a magic boat. |
MiniSiets said: Macross was always about idols and robots... No kidding. That settles it then. Gurren Lagann has giant robots in it. Gundam 00 has giant robots in it. It's like, they're the same fucking show. It's not like there's an obvious difference in tone, atmosphere, execution, characters, believability, realism, and just about any other imaginable thing I can think of about the narrative. Coming off of the original 1982 series, one would not even be able to tell that this is a fucking sequel if it weren't for "Macross" in the title. After seeing this putrid CGI-filled incoherent mess of a preview, there is no doubt in my mind that it is unsalvageable. Fuck this series. It's going to be awful. I should note though, I wouldn't feel such a visceral hatred toward this anime if they at least got smart and branched the timeline off into its own metaverse like Gundam does with its spinoff shows. That way they can take all the shitty detours they want through moeblob town while still being able to return to the real story when they're ready to put their big boy pants back on. But the fact that they expect us to believe this magical girl diarrhea exists in the same universe as Hikaru, Misa, and Minmei is insulting to my intelligence. And furthermore, it ensures that nothing short of a complete retcon of large chunks of the story are now necessary in order for any future iteration of Macross to be taken seriously. The only debate I'm having right now is whether I should continue watching just to see how much it stretches into so-bad-it's-good territory. Your excessive mentions of Hikaru, Misa, and Minmei while ignoring Nekki Basara, Mylene Jenius, and Alto/Sheryl/Ranka tells me you basically watched the first series and skipped straight to this one. As someone who REALLY loves the Macross TV series: take the absurdity of Nekki Basara from Macross 7 and combine it with the transformable costumes and lightshows of Sheryl Norme in Macross Frontier, and...there we go. Macross Delta. This isn't "jump the shark", this is the "next step". I'm not saying you have to like it, but you can only disagree if your other exposures to this series are Plus and Zero. Kawamori saves the "srs" moments for the OVAs, I guess. Boltz said: The funniest thing is going to be kids trying to explain how everything fits in when it's just another crap idol anime that has nothing to do with Macross. Yup. I did all kinds of mental gymnastics...like, watching the other shows Kawamori has made. |
| Jumping in Headfirst - I hear reading it causes immortality. Warning. Reading may not actually cause immortality. |
| I've only seen Frontier and Zero and I remember the power of song being really important in the kicking ass and/or taking names of alien scum, but this feels like it went straight Symphogear. |
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Crossboy said: MiniSiets said: Coming off of the original 1982 series, one would not even be able to tell that this is a fucking sequel if it weren't for "Macross" in the title. Do you don't recognize the most original mecha design of anime history? Variable Fighters? I'm sorry, I couldn't make them out over the sea of bad CGI and magical girls. Crossboy said: MiniSiets said: After seeing this putrid CGI-filled incoherent mess of a preview, there is no doubt in my mind that it is unsalvageable. 0.89 episode. It's not complete. Implying the other 11% could still redeem it? Do they plan to have Roy waking up from a bad dream at the end? SageShinigami said: Your excessive mentions of Hikaru, Misa, and Minmei Yes, my "excessive" all of 1 mentions of these characters. while ignoring Nekki Basara, Mylene Jenius, and Alto/Sheryl/Ranka tells me you basically watched the first series and skipped straight to this one. Macross 7 was the worst series before this one. I don't know why people keep mentioning it like it excuses Delta. That Kawamori has set a precedent for shit doesn't make producing shit acceptable. Frontier was a mistake but at least it had some semblance of subtlety to its storytelling. Maybe if 7 was the last series in the canon then this one would be the next logical step, but Frontier had at least somewhat distanced itself from the clown show of Macross 7. |
OmegaSietsJan 9, 2016 11:12 AM
kingcity20 said: Oh for the love of -_- nvm gotta love MAL |
Takuan_Soho said: Dear god, please, just please shut up. They are not "magic girls", the show went out of their way to highlight that they were using technology. If you didn't get that, then show some shame for being so friggin stupid. They're so magical girls. Technology is a non-pont, they're transforming girls with superpowers. Inter galactic hyper voice is just space magic anyway >.> There's just nothing wrong with that tho. |
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Takuan_Soho said: MiniSiets said: and magical girls. Dear god, please, just please shut up. They are not "magic girls", the show went out of their way to highlight that they were using technology. If you didn't get that, then show some shame for being so friggin stupid. Did no one get that this show has inverted the genders? The leader of the "idol" group is the typical Macross squadron captain. "Now, you have done it", that was the same line that every male squadron commander (including Frontier's Ozuma) used. The idol troupe may be using drones, but they are the front line soldiers of this series. That is the virtue of this episode, it is what makes this intriguing for spring. The girls are going to be the warriors, the guys (and one elven eared girl) will be the support. That is the hook. As is usual for Macross, they are changing things to suit the times. Sorry dude, the stupid one here is you for making such an aggressive post. MiniSiets just explained his points and I kind of agree with some of them. It is blatantly obvious for everyone that the girls are using technology but they're still technically a mahou shoujo. Every element of a mahou shoujo is present, it does not matter if they're using fictional technology or magic; the premise does not change. What it’s a virtue for you, may be a flaw for others. The idols joining the fight is an interesting idea indeed, but its execution was too flashy and I had a hard time to take it seriously. The idols, each with a distinct color, had a transformation scene, then they immediately started to sing happily while easily dodging missiles and using their arsenal of ridiculous weapons at the same time like they’re playing a video-game. Then, hologramatic dryads started to dance and shine in the background with a big pink colored heart spinning and everyone on the ground became mesmerized like they're watching a show the whole time. There were an overload of colors, brightness, objects and new technology on this part and they didn't blend well; everything felt too artificial in my opinion, like some sort of a musical clip, the new changes didn't look like they're carefully planned and properly inserted as components of a fictional universe at all, so they made the whole macross universe less believable for me. Maybe it's just me getting older and pickier? Who knows? But some others didn't like the new changes as well, and everyone should be treated with proper respect here in order to create a meaningful discussion. |
| Oh man, I apologize. I don't know why I didn't think of it this way before. This gives me a whole new idea for how they can improve the next episode and take it to the next level. Walkure discovers that farting rainbows can cure the Var Syndrome, but it will be hard to aim due to the curved trajectory during excretion, so there is an element of skill involved. An epic battle ensues as Walkure struggles to expel all number of rainbows from their posteriors in the hopes that the infected will inhale the colorful fumes. Don't worry guys, the show will explain it with technology, so it's cool. |
kingcity20 said: Oh for the love of -_- nvm gotta love MAL |
Takuan_Soho said: Where is the helpful magical creature that enables the girls to transform? If "every" element of a mahou shoujo is present, how could they miss the single most important factor? Likewise do you not see the irony in writing "they're still technically a mahou shoujo", while admitting that the girls are using tech? Does it really matter if they have an animal or not? I've always thought the mahou shoujo genre is defined by transforming girls using their powers to fight enemies. But quite honestly, it matters little to me if the macross idols should be labeled as magical girls or not. We could even come with an agreement here; I can admit I was wrong to label them as such. But the fact is: Some aspects like the idols transforming scene and using their weapons as fast as casting magic does give a magical girl vibe. Takuan_Soho said: I am arguing "aggressively" because the director went out of his way to show that they were using basic Macross technology, and also that the idols can be wounded or killed by rather conventional weapons, they mostly rely on misdirection and illusions to win their battles (as well as some fold technology learned in the eight years since Frontier). I am curious to see if this is developed more in the series, because it could be a wonderful commentary on the idol boom. It's good to know that Mr. Kawamori is doing his best to explain things. It's a sign that he apparently knows what he is doing instead of letting his mind go loose. But this does not change the fact that the girls' arsenal sounded cheap to many, because they still need to explain how things work in the series. They probably underwent a lot of training to use their weapons so effectively, but things got overboard for me. Commanding drones from afar to form shields and flashy parachutes at will? I confess that I’m having a hard time to believe in it, despite the director's reasoning. Takuan_Soho said: That doesn't cut the mustard. Had the director not gone out of his way to show that they were using tech, then yes a "oh crap they are turning idols into magical girls" would have some bite. But since the director obviously did the opposite then their "flaws" exist only in their thought (being charitable) processes. The director took his time to explain things, but they still have to do the same in the anime. Not everyone likes to watch interviews or sometimes they're simply not aware of them. So, you can't blame people for thinking this way; the idols do give a magical girl vibe, at first sight at least. IMO, this episode flaw was not the idols resembling magical girls, but its presentation. It was simply not convincing enough for me and it was too flashy and colorful for my tastes. The technology changed too fast in a few years, and it bothers me how easily the idols can manage it. We could say that it is the natural technological evolution. I mean, in Sayonara no Tsubasa, we already got transformation scenes in the last battle. And it was a good movie, where we finally got a proper ending for the Frontier series. But it's also had a pop aura that simply didn't go well with all the drama presented in the story. I felt the same way about the tv series, because the "moe" and flashy parts felt somehow out of place given the amount of suffering some characters are going through. Macross 7, disliked by many, also came with new technologies and they didn't feel believable for me at all so they only made a badly written story even worse. Therefore, my point is Macross Delta episode 1 preview made feel like I am watching Macross 7 all over again: It was too flamboyant and the new technologies felt too absurd and out of place for me. The next episodes can prove me wrong, but for now I prefer to not get my hopes up. I don't like this new direction that Macross is taking, because the best of the series was when they did things more subtly. Macross always had flashy and often silly moments but they're also presented in the right time, and it was what made them so exceptionally meaningful. Takuan_Soho said: Okay, you are kidding me. Idols that are too flashy? Really? As for taking it seriously, first let's see how the show develops, but more importantly why did you ever take Macross seriously? It's always been about idols in space. The wonder is how often Macross can create some serious scenes despite its initial premise. Why shouldn't I? Macross overall is a pretty well written series, Macross 7 tv series being the only black sheep (the OVA's are pretty good though). It does not matter if it's about idols in space or flying armored camels defending the earth against alien ducklings. As long as they can make it convincing enough for me to take it seriously. |
ElazulJan 12, 2016 5:23 AM
Elazul said: Okay, you are kidding me. Idols that are too flashy? Really? As for taking it seriously, first let's see how the show develops, but more importantly why did you ever take Macross seriously? It's always been about idols in space. If they would have cut out the "singing stuff" of Macros SDF, the original would be perfect for me. The series was executed exactly in the way, what I had in my mind about space, aliens, drama and so on in my mind as a child back in the days. But on top of that, they (sadly) included the "music theme". While it mostly a cultural and emotional issue in the original and had a great understandable impact on the Zentradi, it got more and more important and just doesnt seem to be realistic anymore. Every following series put more emphasis on this theme, which got space fans cringe more and more. I started with Plus, SDF, Zero, Frontier, tried 7, skipped it and watched the movies. Maybe you can understand with this order, why I got more and more annoyed by the use of the music theme, wich now tops with magical girls using technique. As I posted before, Delta is just consitent and the magical girls prestented this way are indeed a logical conclusion, but this doesnt mean it will be liked by the audience, who loved Plus and were just ok with the slight use of music in SDF. I will still watch it, but I really have to adapt my self again to the slight annoyance of the music effect. I loved the OST of Zero, Plus and Frontier btw, so the music itself probably wont be a problem for me, just the metaphysical effect. ^^ |
| Did they just turn my Macross into a Magical Girl show? Someone explain what the hell I just watched.... I'm not sure why.. but I liked it... |
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| i was a teen when the first release of robotech came in my country and i was truly impressed by it, but now that franchise is dead, really the first macross was a sci fi show with a sufficient amount of realism the songs in macross were a symbol of peace, culture, mutual understanding now what we have? an underaged idol that is sent to the frontline to dance on the head of an enemy mecha while the army shoots at it? seriously? zentradi that spawned adult clones to fight were not that evil ! songs that acquire completely new powers every new macross series (and completely loose the old powers of the previous series) yeah, sure, realistic.... this is only commercial, could be enjoyable if not for the macross in its title |
| i loved it!!! the songs sound nice 3-3 //i watched macross f after its release bc of sheryl so...i dont rly care abut being +idols and -mecha so y THE SONGS ARE AMAZING HELL YEAH IM HERE FOR THIS |
qpqJan 16, 2016 4:20 PM
| Much better than Macross F. I only watch few episodes of it then dropped it. Macross Δ feels like a copy of symphogear and thats a good thing |
MiniSiets said: Oh man, I apologize. I don't know why I didn't think of it this way before. This gives me a whole new idea for how they can improve the next episode and take it to the next level. Walkure discovers that farting rainbows can cure the Var Syndrome, but it will be hard to aim due to the curved trajectory during excretion, so there is an element of skill involved. An epic battle ensues as Walkure struggles to expel all number of rainbows from their posteriors in the hopes that the infected will inhale the colorful fumes. Don't worry guys, the show will explain it with technology, so it's cool. Oh, man... I really love this post. x) (Also, while I absolutely share your sentiments and thoughts on delta, I'm still going to give it a go. I love the Macross franchise and if I could suffer through E7 Ao /urk/, then this ought to be a cakewalk!) |
Ericonator said: By definition, everything is retro since by the time you realize something has happened it's already in the past.  |
| And yet somehow we're still here. I don't get why people are so hung up about the whole magical girls thing, but I do at least understand that they'll never shut up and let it go just because of that transformation sequence. Which, by the way, was fucking glorious. |
MiniSiets said: zetsubousei_hero said: If this does not satisfied you then Gundam Thunderbolt is good atm. As long as it is not anything like Valvare or Aldnoah zero it is automatic better already. Took a brief look at it and I have to agree; Thunderbolt already looks leagues better than this trash. Thanks for the rec. Frontier is by one of maybe 3 studios that still largely does their mecha animation in 2D and still knows how to run a good mecha show from time to time. It's also the originally Sunrise Studio 1 that was founded back in 1975 and still has veteran animators that know how to draw well. The other would be Bones and I.G but the former's have been as shit as anyone else's of late. I.G's Fafner Exodus and Broken Blade aren't half bad at all though. |
Kaioshin_Sama said: MiniSiets said: Took a brief look at it and I have to agree; Thunderbolt already looks leagues better than this trash. Thanks for the rec. Frontier is by one of maybe 3 studios that still largely does their mecha animation in 2D and still knows how to run a good mecha show from time to time. It's also the originally Sunrise Studio 1 that was founded back in 1975 and still has veteran animators that know how to draw well. The other would be Bones and I.G but the former's have been as shit as anyone else's of late. I.G's Fafner Exodus and Broken Blade aren't half bad at all though. wut Frontier isn't made by any of those three studios |
| So I thought this was a winter anime? No? Okay... Other than that, I liked it. It was fun and I already like the characters, mainly the two MCs. Anyways Im looking forward to the second ep. |
| For the ones that don't understand why everyone is salty, just imagine your favorite romance/drama/sol series. Now imagine that little by little they began to insert some themes like "boy with spike hair fighting another boy with spike hair". Now out of nowhere it change completly and the drama/sol/romance is just 9% of the anime while the remaining 89% focus on a "weird dude that grows spike hair out of his ass to fight a green alien with purple spiky wings". Then all subsequent installments of the series is about this with almost no romance or drama at all. What a ride right? This is what the old fans are feeling right now. |
| Having watched most canonical Macross barring M7 (which I've just started), I'm inclined to think that there hasn't been a good one since the original. Delta has no high standard to live up to -- there is no shark to jump over and there hasn't been one for nearly 20 years at this point. Which is fine. This episode was stupid but weirdly charming in its go-for-broke nature. I'll take this a bajillion times over the comparatively tame Frontier. Looking forward to seeing where it goes. |
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