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| THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- Ah this series... It still retains some of its iconic moments and symbolism. I think this was actually an alright episode although nothing too impressive. Akechi reflects on his desire to take on Twenty Faces. Meanwhile, I think there's also the representation of death that is shown several times this episode in the form of cruel skeletons. Good amount of focus on Akechi and Namekoshi's relationship in the past as well.  |
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| Probably the worst episode of this series. Incredibly over-the-top backstory of Namekoshi that made it impossible for me to take it seriously. And they did this for the whole episode. Kobayashi just takes it which is even stupid for him. |
| This episode could have been so much better if Namikoshi's backstory wasn't such a textbook example of the generic villain backstory; it just seems like really lazy writing. As does the fact that Kobayashi doesn't question anything and just accepts everything so easily; even for him, that is pretty stupid. Nice visuals though. |
| Namekoshi's parents and just life in general was really shitty.....I laughed when those bullies got killed by that van lol That formula is very powerful to be able to manipulate events to that extent, the kid is almost like God even tbh. I also enjoyed watching Akechi beat the ship out of everyone too xD |
While I agree that villains being victims of bullying & domestic abuse is a bit of a cliche, I still think it was executed fairly well. It is easy to understand Namikoshi's motivations now given his history. Akechi was pretty cool even as a kid and what's up with that teacher just ignoring the bullies?  I think this is the 1st time I've seen Kobayashi show serious emotions. He always acts a bit cold and detached.  |
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| most generic anti villain backstory ever but the art was so nice i didnt care also why does he need to kill kobayoshi ? |
Smudy said: Incredibly over-the-top backstory of Namekoshi that made it impossible for me to take it seriously. And they did this for the whole episode. Kobayashi just takes it which is even stupid for him. danieltortoisee said: This episode could have been so much better if Namikoshi's backstory wasn't such a textbook example of the generic villain backstory; it just seems like really lazy writing. As does the fact that Kobayashi doesn't question anything and just accepts everything so easily; even for him, that is pretty stupid. Nice visuals though. Both of these comments pretty much summarize what I wanted to say. Namikoshi's backstory was a little intriguing at some parts, I will admit. One episode left, I wonder if Kobayashi will actually die. |
| People on MAL refuse to actually enjoy watching anime. Your taste in anime isn't a personality trait. |
| The final needs someone of the main characters Akechi or Kobayashi dead to kind of save it. |
| Kobayashi really doesn't give a fuck even when he's going to die he just fucking accepts it. wtf. |
| Namikoshi has ascended to Aizen levels for a Gary Stu villain. It is kinda funny how he was only was number 2 in his class despite being able to create a formula that could used to manipulate fate. Smudy said: Probably the worst episode of this series. Incredibly over-the-top backstory of Namekoshi that made it impossible for me to take it seriously. And they did this for the whole episode. Kobayashi just takes it which is even stupid for him. All of the backstories have been this kind of ridiculous and edgy nonsense. |
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| So we get to know more about Namikoshi. The reason he wanted to make that formula was because he was living a terrible life. He was bullied at school, his parents were buttholes, and there was no one out there wanting to lend him a helping hand. Akechi gave him that hand and he thought that they could do it. Akechi knew exactly what they were doing. He knew what this will end with. He wanted to stop Namikoshi because one of them would end up dying and he didn't want that. That's why Namikoshi disagrees with Kobayashi thinking that Akechi is a hero (or he probably assumed that's what Kobayashi considers Akechi). Namikoshi found a way to bring the wrong doers to justice. He updated the formula constantly. All those Twenty Faces cases Akechi solved were all part of his plan. He's one hell of an evil villain. Such an elaborate plan lol. Just like Kobayashi sees people as silhouettes, Namikoshi sees them as skull faces. That's where he got the idea of making Twenty Faces' symbol a skull to show its anonymity. But why Kobayashi? Because he's related to Akechi? Could be that Namikoshi wants Akechi to see that no one can save Kobayashi since the whole system is flawed. Probably a way to bring Akechi over to the dark side. And the trap will save the day somehow. |
| I thoroughly enjoy this series' use of symbolism, it makes it so much better. It was an obvious cliche, but to me it didnt feel like one And people are saying that Kobayashi is stupid for accepting, we've finally seen a new side to him through his tears, and we havent gotten a proper response, which we'll probably get next episode. The finale will decide greatly on my opinion of the series |
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| Liked all of the symbolism within this episode. llcruz said: Kobayashi really doesn't give a fuck even when he's going to die he just fucking accepts it. wtf. |
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SchwingBoner said: While I agree that villains being victims of bullying & domestic abuse is a bit of a cliche, I still think it was executed fairly well. It is easy to understand Namikoshi's motivations now given his history. Akechi was pretty cool even as a kid and what's up with that teacher just ignoring the bullies? I think this is the 1st time I've seen Kobayashi show serious emotions. He always acts a bit cold and detached. It is normal, Teachers bully other teachers as well. It is not only in Japan, but everywhere in the world. Humans always hate others, or are hated by others if not both. But the bullying matter is very over the top in Japan. In Shigofumi they explained it in a way that was very easy to grasp for the fans. I think that the criminals got what they deserved on this episode. |
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VanishingKira said: One episode till this is over,nice. omg i thought there were 12 eps cries.....;(((((((((( |
| So we get Namikoshi's backstory from his POV ... and yeah, just realized his seiyuu is Fukuyama Jun XD Seems like he was terribly bullied by classmates and his parents too ... until Akechi saves the day :O So much subtext between those two lol. Obviously everything he does is for Akechi ... even killing the students and his parents and his teachers O_O Holy crap lol ... then the part at the end where they have to sacrifice themselves and Kobayashi just accepts it and is willing to do so?! What the heck lol. I am hoping the finale will be a good one ... at least, hopefully resolve things between Akechi and Namikoshi at least :P |
| Cliche, but it was still pretty interesting. What is Kobayashi planning? |
| Now, Hashiba go save Kobayashi! |
Takuan_Soho said: Ya know, not all Villains are abused children. Sort of insults the effort made by all the people who really are abused and manage to overcome it. It would have been far more interesting had Namekoshi been an idealist trying to redeem Akechi's cynicism. Look, we can create the perfect world, what is a few eggs to achieve that wonderful goal? That sort of villain would have given dimension to both characters because it would have brought in the question of justice in an unjust world, as well as the importance of free will and that hell is what we create, not something that exists externally, but nope that would have required a story and some thought, instead we get thoughtlessness: My daddy hit me so I get to kill people innocent people. Blah. Not only that but they wasted a most of the episode just to drill in how shit his life was when that point could've been driven much more efficiently. Laziness and incoherent bullshit wins the day though. |
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| Episode was fine, but think they should've done this earlier, even if it's just a bit. Still enjoyed this episode somehow though. Next week will be the last episode. |
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| Another great episode. Namikoshi's backstory was simple but understandable and fitting for someone who would create a memetic system like 20 faces. Akechi was someone who valued reality more than ideal, while Namikoshi believed that forsaking his own reality was worth the ideal he wanted to achieve. So I guess the final step in his plan is this mass suicide? It does pose an interesting question on what is the endgame if 20 faces so far has been just a method of reaching it. 10/10 so far. Can't wait for finale. |
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| Episode was kind of meh with Namikoshi's tragic backstory taking up most of it, but at least Kobayashi's somewhat fully in on his plan. Interested in seeing how this will end. |
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yukishiromei said: Now, Hashiba go save Kobayashi! Onward! time to save the waifu~ Kobayshi was like "You want me to be a sacrifice? Kay bruh I'm in!" |
"What has two arms, two legs, and is alive? Not your favorite character lol! xD" |
| When the teacher neglected the bullying, and even turned a blind eye to the blatant mutilation on Namikoshi via blade in the middle of his fucking class, he was in turn, just as guilty as the the rest of them. The teacher, the parents, and bullies...these people do not deserve to breath the same air as everyone else. I'm glad Akechi beat the shit out of him, and the Dark Star formula took care of the rest. Now it becomes clear what the butterflies throughout the show, with the new revelations confirming the already obvious symbolism; the butterfly effect (in the pre-update of the Dark Star formula), and metamorphosis (to give birth to the creation of 20 Faces, a humanoid entity born from data). Namikoshi...what are you, stupid? Akechi isn't rejecting you, he's trying to save you, his friend! And now apparently Namikoshi is dragging Kobayashi and a bunch of other people who have a death wish to their doom. |
| Good story, got me interested, but seriously Kobayashi and Hashiba can just **** off, they don't need to be in this anime. Akechi is enough. |
| This episode reminded me of this quote: "Since they're unhappy, they probably need someone who's more unhappy than they are." As a victim of bullying, I tend to take these issues a bit seriously. Bullying and child abuse over stupid reasons are no laughing matter to me. Some may call what happened in the backstory a ridicules, over the top sap story, but trust me, there are worse examples that occurred in real life. |
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CookingPriest said: Another great episode. Namikoshi's backstory was simple but understandable and fitting for someone who would create a memetic system like 20 faces. Akechi was someone who valued reality more than ideal, while Namikoshi believed that forsaking his own reality was worth the ideal he wanted to achieve. So I guess the final step in his plan is this mass suicide? It does pose an interesting question on what is the endgame if 20 faces so far has been just a method of reaching it. 10/10 so far. Can't wait for finale. I would expect that martyrdom in this day and age would result in the mass production of copy-cats who come to know of 20 Faces' MO, and hence would utilize his name to further punish any injustices in the world from hereon out? That would be a stern warning to those who are dealing out injustices that they will never get off scoot free as well, and in the end the world would become a better place for it? Though.... if that were really the end game, I don't understand why Kobayashi is needs to participate in the mass suicide that's about to occur. Nor do I understand why Namikoshi needs to kill himself publicly once again. The whole situation seems confusing. Still, I loved the visuals and the imagery that they used for this episode. The deaths caused by the Dark Star Formula were simply shown. What I would really like to know is just exactly how the formula actually led to those deaths (especially with the bullies and the dead dad in the lift). I think just exploring that would make for a great show. So Namikoshi visualizes objects as words, and people as indiscernible skeletons, Akechi sees people as wooden puppets, and Kobayashi sees people as shadowy figures. Interesting..... I wonder how Kuro Tokage visualizes everyone besides Akechi as..... |
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| It was an okish episode.... |
| It was a good episode, but it reminded me of much potential got wasted. Surely it's a good show, but it could've been something much better if the central episodes would've been on the level of the last ones or the first ones. Namikoshi's story is basic but it's realistic, Kobayashi always so calm it's a character trait (he or her crying is a little good devolpement) but if he really accepts to die just like that it will be the most retarded thing i've seen in anime history. The finale is next week and only that episode will decide what this series should get, if the finale is good (for example, someone dies in a appropiate way) a second season would be just fine but if the finale is complete bullshit (something like kobayashi and his gay or not gay friend living happily and akechi and the bullied friend living happily together) a second season would be an insult to everybody. |
| Meh episode. I'm just glad next week'l be the last I see of this terrible Anime. |
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| Mh, true, Namikoshi's story about bullying, revenge etc. was cliché, but I'm sensitive so I felt really sorry for him and hate for the bullies... Akechi best chara But...I still don't have understood Namikoshi's formula, how is him calculating it and how is him making all of it happen... |
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| I'm honestly a sucker for bullies+abuse+shitty life backstory cliches in anime. It's probably because I can relate to it and it's still a real ongoing issue that really represents society. The symbolism was beautiful in this episode. I actually really like this series unlike a majority of people xDD |
| Oscar and Andre deserved better |
| I just noticed that the ED is one big domino effect. o_O I can't believe it took me 10 episodes to notice that. |
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| i just kidnapped you to tell you about my past don't worry oh and of course my parents were terrible |
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| Namikoshi had a terrible life. Ehhhh Kobayahis is the last piece OMG. Hashiba has to save him |
| Man this episode was annoying, so much wasted potential. It seems to me the guys who did the show had a very good idea but didn't know what to do with it. The dark star thing is so stupid and unrealistic, I mean even if one could make such a formula it would probably take that laptop a couple of times the lifespan of the universe to actually compute. If they made it so that it could just tell the most possible outcome and only under certain circumstances it would have been a lot better. Unfortunately this show is trying to take itself too seriously for what it is, also good work Kobayashi for going from most interesting character to completely bland. |
Harrymanhunter said: no ones forcing you to watch it :/Meh episode. I'm just glad next week'l be the last I see of this terrible Anime. tbh I really liked this episode (kinda reminded me of psycho pass) made me wonder who the 'real' villain is becoz imo I think what namikoshi did was right (kind of) |
| All about Namikoshi... |
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gedata said: It is kinda funny how he was only was number 2 in his class despite being able to create a formula that could used to manipulate fate. Schools work on scores. It doesn't matter how intelligent you're, if you have low scores, you can't be the top of the class. Considering how much he was abused in chool, I wouldn't be surprised if he stopped caring about school and stopped doing assignments or schoolwork. That should lower his overall score. |
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| That moment when the only thing left to really enjoy for you in anime is ED. Very average episode (altho i do feel bad for Namikoshi, his situation sucked and i was smiling af when he used the formula) for very average series.I just hope that the last episode is going to be at least average too, so it doesn't leave bad after-taste, but average one.We'll see. |
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| I hate this anime, not the hate that you would give an anime for being bad or boring. Its the type of hate you give the guy who murdered your whole family and gets away with it. Why couldnt this series be a bit more episodic instead of focusing on this 20 faces formula bullshit. |
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| What Namikoshi needs is death note, but unfortunately he's not that lucky. After a few episode of joking around here and there we got some serious stuff and next week is the final, wonder how the conclusion is going to be since I'm quite agree to this 20 faces act to punish the unpunished criminals. |
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